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Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2007.01.09 07:47:00 - [1] Edited by: Rells on 09/01/2007 07:45:21 PVP-WOLFPACKS: EVE TIME Jan 21, 0200 (Saturday Evening in America) PVP-WOLFPACKS Description: The destroyer is one of the single most underrated ships in the game of Eve. Many people fly a destroyer the wrong way and immediately come to the conclusion that they are not worth the trouble to fly. The reality is that the destroyer can be an extremely powerful and fearsome foe. A well run destroyer flown by a skilled pilot can kill a tech 2 interceptor one on one. A well run destroyer is extremely effective at gate camping and locking down space, able to get the signal resolution over 1800 with the proper fitting. In a destroyer pack, a fleet of 15 destroyers would strike fear into the heart of any battleship pilot with the brains to back up his firepower. In this class you will learn the ins and outs of destroyers. You will learn how to fit them to be effective in a 1 vs. 1 situation as well as how to set up a destroyer for gate camping and wolf packing. You will learn how to maximize the strengths of destroyers, namely their firepower, and reduce the impact of their weaknesses of speed and fragility. Destroyers are the specialty and favorite ship of the instructor and I will show you how to get the most out of yours. You will also learn how to use warp disruption bubbles and advanced tactics that employ the use of bookmarks. This is an advanced level course with prerequisites. It builds upon the knowledge you acquired in PVP-BASIC and takes you to the next level of skill in PvP Operations. You will learn all sorts of tactics and tricks when flying in light ships of all kinds. This is a long awaited course and should be a ton of fun. After completing this course you will be able to fly both a frigate and destroyer very well in PvP and be extremely effective with a few of your friends. Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Samirol Turbulent	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:16:00 - [2] havent seen one of these in awhile, good luck Tier 2 BS Lotto Contact mach'ett3 for all your sig needs
Caleb Paine Infinite Technologies	Posted - 2007.01.09 13:03:00 - [3] It's nice to see you guys keep on doing this stuff. For any new player; this is well worth the investment, even if that 6 mil does sound a lot to you it will help you keep your ships in one piece and show you around in EVE. Experience > SP and cash --------------------------------- INFINITE TECHNOLOGIES We provide solutions for your problems Contact us on our forums or ingame
Kaar Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.09 15:26:00 - [4] Nonni? hf :> --- ---
zeroh Caldari The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.01.09 15:29:00 - [5] Originally by: Rells Edited by: Rells on 09/01/2007 07:45:21 PVP-WOLFPACKS: EVE TIME Jan 21, 0200 (Saturday Evening in America) PVP-WOLFPACKS Description: The destroyer is one of the single most underrated ships in the game of Eve. Many people fly a destroyer the wrong way and immediately come to the conclusion that they are not worth the trouble to fly. The reality is that the destroyer can be an extremely powerful and fearsome foe. A well run destroyer flown by a skilled pilot can kill a tech 2 interceptor one on one. A well run destroyer is extremely effective at gate camping and locking down space, able to get the signal resolution over 1800 with the proper fitting. In a destroyer pack, a fleet of 15 destroyers would strike fear into the heart of any battleship pilot with the brains to back up his firepower. In this class you will learn the ins and outs of destroyers. You will learn how to fit them to be effective in a 1 vs. 1 situation as well as how to set up a destroyer for gate camping and wolf packing. You will learn how to maximize the strengths of destroyers, namely their firepower, and reduce the impact of their weaknesses of speed and fragility. Destroyers are the specialty and favorite ship of the instructor and I will show you how to get the most out of yours. You will also learn how to use warp disruption bubbles and advanced tactics that employ the use of bookmarks. This is an advanced level course with prerequisites. It builds upon the knowledge you acquired in PVP-BASIC and takes you to the next level of skill in PvP Operations. You will learn all sorts of tactics and tricks when flying in light ships of all kinds. This is a long awaited course and should be a ton of fun. After completing this course you will be able to fly both a frigate and destroyer very well in PvP and be extremely effective with a few of your friends. SO Fearsome infact most medium and large guns can 1 volley it!! Or tricked by smartbombs to be destroyed in spectacular ways
Carenthor Loon Minmatar Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2007.01.09 16:36:00 - [6] Originally by: zeroh SO Fearsome infact most medium and large guns can 1 volley it!! Or tricked by smartbombs to be destroyed in spectacular ways Take the class and you might rethink this view; hearing "I'm going to come back in my smartbombing Domi and pwn you noobs" from a recently destroyed opponent in local is always music to our ears!
zeroh Caldari The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:19:00 - [7] Originally by: Carenthor Loon Originally by: zeroh SO Fearsome infact most medium and large guns can 1 volley it!! Or tricked by smartbombs to be destroyed in spectacular ways Take the class and you might rethink this view; hearing "I'm going to come back in my smartbombing Domi and pwn you noobs" from a recently destroyed opponent in local is always music to our ears! I highly doubt it but good luck
Nir The Doldrums	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:49:00 - [8] Velators are an underrated ship for the same reasons destroyers are - Get enough of them together and you can kill any single battleship you'll come across. Flawed logic ftl. Its great being Amarr and flying NosDoms, Isn't it?!
Marki Plas	Posted - 2007.01.09 18:04:00 - [9] That's funny zeroh, when I took the class I'm pretty sure they taught us how to avoid smartbombs. But I'm sure you're uber at pvp, almost nearly as good as Ginger even, so smartbomb away. I enjoyed the basic pvp course, killing the same guy in 2 different battleships in the course of 10 minutes was a hoot, and I'd recommend it highly to folks wanting to take their first steps into pvp.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2007.01.09 18:09:00 - [10] Updated with PVP-BASIC class on the 13th. Sign up quickly as enrollment closes the day before the course. As a side note, I love the skeptics, they make great targets and often learn the very hard way. Ill take my 15 destroyers vs your Domi any day. If you want set up the battle and AGONY will be there. Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
jam6549 Amarr Iron Hammer Academy The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.01.09 18:51:00 - [11] Originally by: Rells Ill take my 15 destroyers vs your Domi any day. If you want set up the battle and AGONY will be there. lol, u might own, but again as Nir said, ur just using the numbers game, nufing special
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:02:00 - [12] Originally by: jam6549 Originally by: Rells Ill take my 15 destroyers vs your Domi any day. If you want set up the battle and AGONY will be there. lol, u might own, but again as Nir said, ur just using the numbers game, nufing special How would you know? Have you ever tried? I guarantee that a competent Domi pilot could obliterate an improperly trained destroyer fleet. Fortunately we train them properly. Its not just a matter of getting in the dessy, mounting some guns and a point. There is a lot more to it and that is what we teach our pilots. Your comments are very uneducated and I will refer you to those that fight AGONY consistently. They rarely underestimate us anymore. Bigger guns wont win the day. More skillpoints wont win the day. Training (training the player), education, leadership and courage win the day. The vast majority of AGONY pilots have under 10 million skill points and are some of the most respected PvPers amoung those we fight. Ever seen a Merlin destroy a Crow? Ever seen a Rifter solo a Harpy and an Ares at the same time? All that isnt skill points, its player skill. We turn newbies into powerful fighting soldiers and remove their fears of both carebears and people like you. Quite frankly, agony calls pilots like you "Pinyatas". We hit them hard enough and lots of candy comes flying out. You better check your arrogance at the door or learn the hard way. Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
jam6549 Amarr Iron Hammer Academy The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:16:00 - [13] Originally by: Rells How would you know? Have you ever tried? yeh, ppl call them blobs and u dont really need to be skilled in a blob Originally by: Rells Your comments are very uneducated... how do you mean? im just stating the obvious... Originally by: Rells Ever seen a Merlin destroy a Crow? Ever seen a Rifter solo a Harpy and an Ares at the same time? yes to the first and half of yes to the second (my mate killed the harpy solo). but it only generall happens when: The hunter is more skilled than the target My mate had just the right setup to kill the guy Originally by: Rells We turn newbies into powerful fighting soldiers and remove their fears of both carebears and people like you. Quite frankly, agony calls pilots like you "Pinyatas". We hit them hard enough and lots of candy comes flying out. You better check your arrogance at the door or learn the hard way. come and get me tiger!
Nuska	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:34:00 - [14] Great idea, don't have time for it, but I think it's awesome you guys are setting that up. Just one thing made me chuckle: Originally by: Rells In a destroyer pack, a fleet of 15 destroyers would strike fear into the heart of any battleship pilot with the brains to back up his firepower. So basically what you are saying is that 15 destroyers will own a battleship? I don't even know what to say to that ...
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:42:00 - [15] I enjoyed that video more than most... can't beat mindless ganking at gates, love it!!!! Good luck with destroyer course!
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2007.01.09 20:51:00 - [16] Originally by: Nuska Great idea, don't have time for it, but I think it's awesome you guys are setting that up. Just one thing made me chuckle: Originally by: Rells In a destroyer pack, a fleet of 15 destroyers would strike fear into the heart of any battleship pilot with the brains to back up his firepower. So basically what you are saying is that 15 destroyers will own a battleship? I don't even know what to say to that ... You dont believe? Its amazing how many people have so little faith. You dont need millions of skillpoints or millions of ISK in hardware. If you dont believe that I suggest you watch that movie. Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
jam6549 Amarr Iron Hammer Academy The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.01.09 20:56:00 - [17] Originally by: Rells You dont need millions of skillpoints or millions of ISK in hardware... just need a lot of ships!
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2007.01.09 21:09:00 - [18] Originally by: jam6549 Originally by: Rells You dont need millions of skillpoints or millions of ISK in hardware... just need a lot of ships! It depends really. 10 untrained frig pilots would probably have a BS wipe the floor with them. 10 well trained frig pilots would fry the BS wihtout casualties. If you think PvP in eve is an ISK, Skillpoint or Number of ships war then you are very wrong. Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Kalek Astroth Amarr The Electrocuted	Posted - 2007.01.09 21:24:00 - [19] thought you guys was easy picks till the day we lost a t2 mega and an absolution(hey was me ) vs 5/6 cruisers of yours ... you know how to take the best out of your fit and how to balance a gang. thumbs up for you, give that course a try
Kalek Astroth Amarr The Electrocuted	Posted - 2007.01.09 21:24:00 - [20] thought you guys was easy picks till the day we lost a t2 mega and an absolution(hey was me ) vs 5/6 cruisers of yours ... you know how to take the best out of your fit and how to balance a gang. thumbs up for you, give that course a try
jam6549 Amarr Iron Hammer Academy The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.01.09 21:32:00 - [21] Originally by: Rells It depends really. 10 untrained frig pilots would probably have a BS wipe the floor with them. 10 well trained frig pilots would fry the BS wihtout casualties. If you think PvP in eve is an ISK, Skillpoint or Number of ships war then you are very wrong. true man :P. but AF > BS hehe as ive tested our
Skoodwask	Posted - 2007.01.10 01:05:00 - [22] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Nuska Great idea, don't have time for it, but I think it's awesome you guys are setting that up. Just one thing made me chuckle: Originally by: Rells In a destroyer pack, a fleet of 15 destroyers would strike fear into the heart of any battleship pilot with the brains to back up his firepower. So basically what you are saying is that 15 destroyers will own a battleship? I don't even know what to say to that ... You dont believe? Its amazing how many people have so little faith. You dont need millions of skillpoints or millions of ISK in hardware. If you dont believe that I suggest you watch that movie. I believe what he means is that is so obvious that 15 destroyers can own a bs he doesn't know what to say. Not the other way around. 15 destroyers you can get like 2000-2500 dps easy! no bs can tank that.
Elvarien Caldari The Night's Watch THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2007.01.10 01:33:00 - [23] Rells I believe your right when you say a few well trained frigs can take down a battleship with little/no casualties .. but if your example is a pack of 15 destroyers I`l respond with DURR !!! unless the blob of destroyers has an overly retarded fitting/tactics they will win about any bs encounter [perfect anticipated setups targeting the blob asside] on another note though the services offered by agony unleashed are imo a sweet way for the inexperienced to get started Thumbs up for offering the courses >--- A properly flown and fitted manticore is like a flatulant Ninja. Silent but deadly.
Saltire System-Lords E N I G M A	Posted - 2007.01.10 06:47:00 - [24] rells is very correct that destroyers can kill stuff, numbers can kill more and properly setup desy's kill any frig very fast and i have taken cruisers down in my thrasher solo so they can be good pwners. i still remember his 1st pvp class in mhc-r3 i warped into the destroyer gang at 35 in a 1400t2 quake tempest and slotted the little brutes 1 by 1, got 5 before the rest legged it, destroyer is weak v high alpha ships (1 shot of quake from a high skilled 1400t2 will kill most of them)
Napolie Gallente Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.10 08:55:00 - [25] Edited by: Napolie on 10/01/2007 08:53:48 Good thing eve needs more pvping nu... erhm new players And i just love the destroyer thing tbh its a terrifying ship in the proper hands EDIT: but then watch out for evil cruiseravens when doing the dessie squad
RuleoftheBone Minmatar UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.10 09:41:00 - [26] Why all the flames? AU offers new (and old) pilots a way to get basic fleet maneuvers, small ship fittings, and basic combat tactics experience for a relatively cheap price. And yeah-the smart-bombing domi/whatever melts pretty quick under fire from 10-15 destroyers when they combine effective EW and firepower. Sure a couple of DD's might go bang--but what is that in comparison to killing a BB? As for the courses themselves (I have been through both Basic and Wolfpacks) players will learn quite a bit-especially in the destroyer section. To be fair the initial couple of hours are not much fun and contain quite a bit of fluff (the turret tracking mathmatics-while useful to know-does not require lengthy explaination). There are also a LOT of immature pilots who show up without ships/fittings/TS-VENT and waste a ridiculous amount of time during the classes (again-less so during Wolfpacks course). If you are going to attend: 1-Be early 2-Be prepared 3-Read the frigging course materials in advance 4-Have a lot of patience while 90% of the class ignores items 1-3. 5-Be prepared to hear a lot of "ftw" "leet-speak"..seriously guys it's really irritating. 6-Plan up to 7 hours or more for the whole thing (including actual ops). I have made some mildly negative comments here-and I don't agree with AU's overall Quake-like style (killing all with no real purpose beyond killing)...but the experience and knowledge gained will serve any pilot quite well whether empire carebear or Alliance warrior. And it also breaks the mindset of "bigger is better". And-like them or not-Rells and company are fine FC's and target callers. I endorse this product/service with the caveats mentioned above Regards from a satisfied graduate. Bone p.s. I would strongly advise non-combatants to avoid the ops area during known "school nights"
PMolkenthin Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.10 13:26:00 - [27] It's not necessary to flame this post tbh. I think these courses sound excellent, and they do come very highly recommended. If you are a l33t pvp'er with years of experience, then why are you taking the time to read and post in this thread, if not just to flame other peoples good work. Respect to Rells and Agony Unleashed for your contribution to the community.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.10 21:32:00 - [28] Originally by: Nuska Great idea, don't have time for it, but I think it's awesome you guys are setting that up. Just one thing made me chuckle: Originally by: Rells In a destroyer pack, a fleet of 15 destroyers would strike fear into the heart of any battleship pilot with the brains to back up his firepower. So basically what you are saying is that 15 destroyers will own a battleship? I don't even know what to say to that ... It would be very sad if 15 destroyers couldn't manage to kill a Battleship. Mostly I call shinagins on this talk about an uber destroyer, and the people running this pvp course in general. Yes, destroyers are incredibly "powerful" ships. They throw out a lot of damage. Unfortunately, fitting is everything... soloing with these tends to end tragically, depending on the set up of your opponents. This is because, they are paper thin, and any cruiser with a webber, an experienced pilot, and in webber range will kill you dead. Same goes for a lot of things these guys seem to be talking about. Yes, I soloed 03 players in assault frigs in my stabber at 400k skill points. Why? Was it training? Was it skill? Nope, it was being fitted with small auto-cannons, nos, and a webber. Imo, this class might be a fun experience, but a waste of time as a real learning experience. The best way to get good at pvp (and this advice is free) is to do it. Start with frigs and work your way up. You'll get the hang of it... just remember not to panic. -Karlemgne
Rail Duke	Posted - 2007.01.10 22:47:00 - [29] To be fair i've seen how ***** awesome a dessie pack can be. But they perform no better than their price tag really. A Rupture fleet fitted with the same costs could take them out. ------------- When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that will name everything: The Ibm stellarsphere, The Microsoft galaxy, Planet Starbucks.**
Rail Duke	Posted - 2007.01.10 22:47:00 - [30] To be fair i've seen how ***** awesome a dessie pack can be. But they perform no better than their price tag really. A Rupture fleet fitted with the same costs could take them out. ------------- When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that will name everything: The Ibm stellarsphere, The Microsoft galaxy, Planet Starbucks.**

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