Originally by: Lifewringer

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I agree that I personally would like to see a salvage drone but wonder how it will affect the economy for the prices of salvage parts. I predict that prices will fall dramatically when the market gets flooded because salvage materials available go up enormously....maybe that is a good thing.

And since the Drones will have a cargo bay maybe you can put minerals in them to haul more. Probably would only be worthwhile in a carrier but I am sure someone will try it.

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Originally by: Vincent Almasy

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You have to clal them Collector but also the problem is that would have to be heavy or larger drones as they would need a small cargo bay fo their own to take in all of the rig parts, but also all of the cargo in the wreck.

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Originally by: Imhothar Xarodit

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Edited by: Imhothar Xarodit on 13/03/2007 01:22:28

Originally by: Vincent Almasy

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You have to clal them Collector but also the problem is that would have to be heavy or larger drones as they would need a small cargo bay fo their own to take in all of the rig parts, but also all of the cargo in the wreck.

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If you take a look at drones' attributes, they all already have a cargo bay capacity of 1200m¦. All of them. Mining skills only determine how much they can rip of a asteroid.

But I see another problem, what do you do when you cargo cannot hold what the drone salvaged or looted? Right now you can leave it in the wreck to get it later.

Imagine you just killed 4 Battleships and they all carry 10x Cap Booster 800 (1280m¦ total, not including other items and salvage). So after your 4 drones return, they hold more items than you could hold in your battleships. What do they do?

Simply *poof* drop the pretty faction items in space unrecoverable (like mining drones would do it), jettison it into a can or what?

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Originally by: John McDuff

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I like the idea but i don't see why they should get the cargo from the wrecks as well. Pre-wrecks we had to loot missions and there wasn't that much complaining, especially with the introduction of the tractor beam. Its just the damn salvaging that works awkward and costs the huge amounts of time. Drones salvaging all emptied wrecks on their own would be a fine addition imo, just leave the looting to the player like we were used to.

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Originally by: Strikeclone

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The more control we have over the game enviroment and the more choice we have in tactical loadouts the better.

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Originally by: Mr Horizontal

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But if you salvage a full wreck, the loot in it transfers into a cargo container, so you don't lose the loot, and you still can flog it on the market.

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Originally by: Vincent Almasy

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I did not know this i thought the loot was simply lost now this changed everything.

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Originally by: Mr Horizontal

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Trovax, I like your argument, and put it across well.

However, while mining anything in any MMORPG is always a chore, I believe it should be something that's a chore to do well, by people who specialise in it. Mining barge pilots are actually well advised to use mining drones so long as they have rat protection. Normally they have some medium combat drones instead, to fend off rats. That, however, is at the expense of about half of their mining takings. If a Covetor/Hulk 3 laser roid raping wonder ship with a pilot at max skills would fill, say, 3 cans per hour, 5 harvesters will fill 4.5 working alongside the guns. So it definitely is worthwhile to use them, but only if anti rat protection is available.

Regarding the market rebalancing, it's also not an issue. When you do stuff that is universal in the game, for example the datacores becoming much more easily available from R&D agents in the last patch, the factor of which is 10x, they almost overnight became 10x cheaper on the market as well. Net, however, you have the same ISK as you sell 40, not 4 datacores. As for rigs, the amount of ships sold vs the amount of rigs sold is not anywhere close to the parity of selling 2-3 rigs per ship should every ship have rigs. The reason for this? Salvage parts aren't nearly as available as the basic 8 minerals (trit, pye, nox etc). So the knock on effects of the market supply would change and rebalance, sure, but the Grand Scheme of Things won't.

In actual fact if salvage part prices do fall and supply increases, it becomes a much more scientific margins game. Right now you can buy Rig BPOs for too cheap, and make rigs without any ME and still make loadsamoney. Make it more plentiful and the supply may increase, but there will be fewer suppliers of rigs - specialists who dedicate ME research slots to their rig BPOs. Not any Tom, **** and Harry. To put this in perspective in another way, how often do you sell Veldspar if you come across it as loot? Thought not!

My main argument though for using salvage drones is the fact when you're in a frigate, you're super fast and collecting loot/salvage is really not a big issue, as you have a maximum of say 10 wrecks and a speed of around 500m/s. In a BS where the wrecks number in the 100's going to every single wreck at 100 m/s over an 85km^2 battle arena is plain insanity. And that's why we need drones, to clean up the mess after the battle. As for the parts becoming cheaper, it's welcome. More parts will mean a more balanced market.

WRT to gameplay. Would you prefer doing 1 mission and taking almost 3 times longer afterward clearing the battlefield than when doing battle, or get you're hands dirty ripping into F1-F8 in the next battle quicker? I'll take the latter, thanks! It's a point I've made before, EVE is frustrating and annoying enough as it is - this is not challenging gameplay, it's mind numbing tedium clearing wrecks! Don't make it any more annoying!

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ôMatuno, do you still have salvage drones onboard?ö

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Originally by: Ishma Nelass

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http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/patchnotes.asp

Salvage drons skill was added by mistake... to TQ. Not sure what to make of this, if it means they will be testing it and later probably implementing it, or if they are scrapping it, but I fow one hope we don't ever get salvage drones.

I am of the opinion that the mission runner shouldn't be able to salvage easily on their own, have them hire a salvager or get another ship to do it. Salvaging drones would kill salvaging as a proffession, since if all the mission runners did it themselves the following would happen:

1. Job opportunities for a salvager will dry up and

2. Salvage prices per ship salvaged will fall.

IU agree that rigs are too expensive as they are, but I think they should increase the salvage drop rate instead of making salvaging easier, that way the actual salvagers still get to do the salvaging, not the guys who just want more money from their mission running...

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