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Dawson Blue Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:06:00 - [1] Edited by: Dawson Blue on 14/01/2007 23:09:38 Edited by: Dawson Blue on 14/01/2007 23:03:01 How much does it cost to fix this game so players can login? Its been well over an hour and I cannot login due to my character being in Jita system. I calculated with 30,000 active players, at $14 Dollars monthly (U.S. ,conservative estimate here mind you) that CCP makes 420,000 Dollars monthly from subscriptions alone, not accounting for merchandise. That's over 5 million dollars yearly. Just how much is CCP paying themselves that they do not have money to upgrade this wonderful game so players can login at will?
Taaketa Frist PoliCratton Technologies	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:08:00 - [2] They have upgraded it fairly recently and the upgrades are still continuing I believe. Infact I think there still has to be some more servers added to the cluster. -------------- Dang nabit
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:09:00 - [3] CCP is doing all they can in fixing the lag. In the meantime, do not fly through Jita. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Ralara Caldari Reunited O X I D E	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:09:00 - [4] Originally by: Dawson Blue Edited by: Dawson Blue on 14/01/2007 23:03:01 How much does it cost to fix this game so players can login? Its been well over an hour and I cannot login due to my character being in Jita system. I calculated with 30,000 active players, at $14 Dollars monthly (U.S. ,conservative estimate here mind you) that CCP makes 420,000 Dollars monthly from subscriptions alone, not accounting for merchandise. Just how much is CCP paying themselves that they do not have money to upgrade this wonderful game so players can login at will? Don't log off in Jita :) No, seriously. don't log off in Jita. -- Yeah, so Caldari suck at close range. Pity you'll never get there. These posts represent those of my corp or alliance. These do reflect official alliance or corp views This is not a dis
Lysit Kaune Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:10:00 - [5] Given the upgrades that have been done of late I'd say the software is to blame, such as the gate queses a few week backs (not fun when flying through low sec:P).
AlleyKat Gallente The Avalon Foundation	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:11:00 - [6] I just logged out, so maybe you can connect now :) Recruiting!
Shakuul Caldari The Imperial Commonwealth The Sundering	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:11:00 - [7] They're probably getting less than 420,000. I don't know what tax rates are like...but that will certainly take a good chunk of their income. Also, 420,000 isn't that conservative. Nobody is ever going to pay for the subscription in Euros when they could just convert to USD and buy a GTC in USD.
Gone'Postal Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:11:00 - [8] - 70.00 Server fee's - 100,000.00 Bills - 300,00 Staff Beer - 50.00 Staff hookers - $0.01 Eve TV Must leave a nice chunk of change for them to laugh at us most nights over company paid strip club outings. all prices are approx. I'm sure Eve TV Don't use that much. Known Issues & Workarounds* - The forum to fix the issues of Eve... Godhelp us if the Devs start trying to.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:13:00 - [9] Originally by: Dawson Blue Edited by: Dawson Blue on 14/01/2007 23:03:01 How much does it cost to fix this game so players can login? Its been well over an hour and I cannot login due to my character being in Jita system. I calculated with 30,000 active players, at $14 Dollars monthly (U.S. ,conservative estimate here mind you) that CCP makes 420,000 Dollars monthly from subscriptions alone, not accounting for merchandise. Just how much is CCP paying themselves that they do not have money to upgrade this wonderful game so players can login at will? Theres over 150,000 active players. Most of that money is likely going towards taxes, bandwidth, salaries and other overhead. CCP has over 100 people employees from what I recall, thats a lot of money in salaries. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:14:00 - [10] From the Force Feedback interview found here... FFB: Are the traffic advisories a temporary solution for a bigger problem, or is it something that will stay ingame for some time? CCP: We are working hard to increase the capacity of the server and thus reduce the occurrences of traffic advisories. You might say that we are essentially racing against our growing subscriberbase. The software and game design teams are now working on some pretty drastic improvements in this area so hopefully these advisories will become a faint memory in the near future. I'd say they were aware of the issues. I can understand your frustrations but I think it would be weird to assume that they're not working on it. It's an obvious problem with the game and it would be pretty self destructive on their part to just ignore it. And just for the record... never log in Jita. ------------------- ... [OK] ... zOMG!
Dawson Blue Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:18:00 - [11] Edited by: Dawson Blue on 14/01/2007 23:14:47
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:19:00 - [12] Originally by: Dawson Blue Edited by: Dawson Blue on 14/01/2007 23:09:38 Edited by: Dawson Blue on 14/01/2007 23:03:01 How much does it cost to fix this game so players can login? Its been well over an hour and I cannot login due to my character being in Jita system. I calculated with 30,000 active players, at $14 Dollars monthly (U.S. ,conservative estimate here mind you) that CCP makes 420,000 Dollars monthly from subscriptions alone, not accounting for merchandise. That's over 5 million dollars yearly. Just how much is CCP paying themselves that they do not have money to upgrade this wonderful game so players can login at will? You do realise there are costs associated with running a business right? -Server costs -Connectivity -Rent -Salaries -Taxes And the list goes on. Now deduct that from your figure above
Soporo	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:22:00 - [13] Quote: I calculated with 30,000 active players, at $14 Dollars monthly Probably far less due to the sale of gtc for isk?
Tommy TenKreds Animal Mercantile Executive	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:29:00 - [14] Originally by: Soporo Quote: I calculated with 30,000 active players, at $14 Dollars monthly Probably far less due to the sale of gtc for isk? Nah, CCP can produce as much ISK as they need. Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Is there anything other than ISK you might be interested in?
Dekiri Exanimo Inc	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:31:00 - [15] What makes clueless people think that everything is possible to solve as lonjg as you throw enough money at it ? In most cases this is not true btw= ) --------------------------------- Exanimo Inc. - Mercs for hire Join channel "CONTRACT EXAN" in game if you wish to hire Exanimo Inc. Or contact cptblood or kakanur
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:32:00 - [16] Originally by: Soporo Quote: I calculated with 30,000 active players, at $14 Dollars monthly Probably far less due to the sale of gtc for isk? More actually, GTCs cost more per day than renewing subscribers, and someone at some point had to pay CCP for the GTC. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:33:00 - [17] There's ~150,000 players... -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Strong Badd	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:34:00 - [18] Originally by: Soporo Quote: I calculated with 30,000 active players, at $14 Dollars monthly Probably far less due to the sale of gtc for isk? A gtc is still 15$ for ccp no matter who spends the money. so no, it isn't gtcs.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:34:00 - [19] Originally by: Dawson Blue Edited by: Dawson Blue on 14/01/2007 23:09:38 Edited by: Dawson Blue on 14/01/2007 23:03:01 How much does it cost to fix this game so players can login? Its been well over an hour and I cannot login due to my character being in Jita system. I calculated with 30,000 active players, at $14 Dollars monthly (U.S. ,conservative estimate here mind you) that CCP makes 420,000 Dollars monthly from subscriptions alone, not accounting for merchandise. That's over 5 million dollars yearly. Just how much is CCP paying themselves that they do not have money to upgrade this wonderful game so players can login at will? CCP have around 150,000 accounts, they make more than 5million a year. They also have to pay their workers, pay taxes(?), utilities, bar tab... Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Hakera Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:34:00 - [20] Edited by: Hakera on 14/01/2007 23:30:55 you could probably submit a stuck petition and get gm's to move you outside jita.
Kiyano Caldari Star Fraction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:35:00 - [21] Originally by: Dark Shikari There's ~150,000 players... Exactly and lots of them are gonna be activated accounts, so they make way more then $420k but meh i'm sure they're aware of the problem.
VJ Maverick	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:36:00 - [22] Why is everyone talking about CCP's income taxes as a major expense? Income taxes are NOT an expense. Stop talking out of your asses. CCP does not pay income taxes on the revenue they receive from their subscriber base. CCP pays taxes on their PROFIT - in other words, on all the money that is left over AFTER they pay out their expenses. Expenses such as... oh, I don't know... server maintenance/bandwidth perhaps? So if CCP's taxes are big enough to be an issue for them, that only means that their profit is big enough to cause such tax issues. And if their profit is big enough to cause such issues, that means they are not spending enough to deliver a playable game and are more concerned about pocketing as much as they can in the short term.
Logi3 sasha and co Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:36:00 - [23] My alt logged in Jita fine, so it might be a prob at your end :)
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:42:00 - [24] Originally by: VJ Maverick Edited by: VJ Maverick on 14/01/2007 23:34:26 Why is everyone talking about CCP's income taxes as a major expense? Income taxes are NOT an expense. Anyone who has taken even the most rudimentary course in business or accounting should know this. And anyone who has not taken such a course should stop talking out of his ass. CCP does not pay income taxes on the revenue they receive from their subscriber base. CCP pays taxes on their PROFIT - in other words, on all the money that is left over AFTER they pay out their expenses. Expenses such as... oh, I don't know... server maintenance/bandwidth perhaps? So if CCP's taxes are big enough to be an issue for them, that only means that their profit is big enough to cause such tax issues. And if their profit is big enough to cause such issues, that means they are not spending enough to deliver a playable game and are more concerned about pocketing as much as they can in the short term. Uh, I believe taxes would be refering to VAT on your subscription fees. In other words, CCP isn't getting that full $15 in the first place. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Kaar Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:42:00 - [25] ookke? --- ---
Tousaka Langley	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:47:00 - [26] Originally by: Strong Badd Originally by: Soporo Quote: I calculated with 30,000 active players, at $14 Dollars monthly Probably far less due to the sale of gtc for isk? A gtc is still 15$ for ccp no matter who spends the money. so no, it isn't gtcs. I am sort of curious how somebody might think that GTC sales are not going towards CCP. I've played EvE, Guildwars, and World of Warcraft for extended periods of time. Trust me, really trust me, when I say that EvEs server issues are minor. I don't know if waiting for a PvP round in Guildwars to start because they had so few servers to host games or losing two or three days at a time in WoW because it takes them so ******* long to fix minor issues was worse. I won't go into the horror stories of the day Naxxramas crashed everyone inside of it unto AV.
VJ Maverick	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:51:00 - [27] Edited by: VJ Maverick on 14/01/2007 23:48:11 Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: VJ Maverick Edited by: VJ Maverick on 14/01/2007 23:34:26 Why is everyone talking about CCP's income taxes as a major expense? Income taxes are NOT an expense. Anyone who has taken even the most rudimentary course in business or accounting should know this. And anyone who has not taken such a course should stop talking out of his ass. CCP does not pay income taxes on the revenue they receive from their subscriber base. CCP pays taxes on their PROFIT - in other words, on all the money that is left over AFTER they pay out their expenses. Expenses such as... oh, I don't know... server maintenance/bandwidth perhaps? So if CCP's taxes are big enough to be an issue for them, that only means that their profit is big enough to cause such tax issues. And if their profit is big enough to cause such issues, that means they are not spending enough to deliver a playable game and are more concerned about pocketing as much as they can in the short term. Uh, I believe taxes would be refering to VAT on your subscription fees. In other words, CCP isn't getting that full $15 in the first place. From the context of the posts, it appears that the people who mentioned taxes did so in the context of INCOME taxes which, even though significant, are based solely on profit and not on initial revenue. The VAT on services in the EU (where CCP is based) exists but is not large enough to be a MAJOR dent in CCP's revenues. So even though CCP does not get the full 15 bucks, they get close enough to that amount to make it almost a non-issue - certainly not on the same order as salaries, equipment costs, utilities, etc.
Arcadia1701 Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2007.01.15 02:00:00 - [28] I have no lag when i play eve, but then again i live 130 miles from the server :P.
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.01.15 02:15:00 - [29] Originally by: VJ Maverick ... Anything approaching 20% is a major dent. CCP is based in Iceland which is not part of the EU.
emepror Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.01.15 03:32:00 - [30] 150000 players x 14 $ a month = 2.1 million x 12 months = 25.2 million dollars!!! they make 25.2 million dollars a year without taxes OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!

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