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Rooker
The Aussie Connection Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.16 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: Rooker on 16/01/2007 18:52:49
Dear CCP, our uber and 1337 overlords,
Please remove the ******* clouds and dust from mission deadspaces.
1) You are ruining my eyes by forcing them to squint against an ENORMOUSLY bright background to see much smaller objects.
2) It lags my framerate further in an already laggy situation. I have the 2nd or 3rd most powerful video card ever made (Nvidia 7950) and a very large CPU, so if it lags me out, obviously you've gone overboard.
3) I can't zoom out because I'm surrounded by the clouds. That means I can't get a look at the overall situation and I can't stay zoomed out to reduce lag.
Example: Start Blockade lvl4 vs Serpentis. Warp in. Zoom out. Explain how those huge, opaque, lag-inducing clouds are in any way necessary or acceptable.
/signed? /not signed?
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Kaptein Trefot
Caldari
Calista Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.16 19:03:00 -
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AMEN!
Not to mention those bloody asteroids in 'stop the thief'.
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Felzius
Gallente
Phoenix Wing
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.01.16 19:11:00 -
[3]
/signed
Sure, things look pretty, but I don't want to look at a picture that is showing 2 frames per second.
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Mikal Drey
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Posted - 2007.01.16 19:19:00 -
[4]
/signed.
its those pretty deadspace clouds that lag out missions like crazy. and also make seyign the hud icons very painfull
/signed again just to make sure
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Hephaesteus
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.16 19:26:00 -
[5]
/signed
My fps drops in half when doing missions. So please CCP for the love of god give me the option of an "on or off" button in the graphics menu.
Tks
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Knowing all, when all is unknown.
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Stizostedion Vitreum
Vitreum Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.16 21:34:00 -
[6]
/signed
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.16 21:47:00 -
[7]
/signed
I keep luminosity dow but the yellow clouds are painful, I usally do most of the mission only looking overview and that is dangerous, with all the bugs overview has developed lately.
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Rakeris
Legio VIII
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Posted - 2007.01.16 21:53:00 -
[8]
Have to agree, most of them are fine but the supper bright ones are so bright they make my eyes water. The darker ones are fine, it's just the really bright ones.
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Draem
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Posted - 2007.01.16 22:01:00 -
[9]
/signed
Don't need to remove MWD's restraint, just the gas.
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Syekuda
Caldari
Guys in Metal Panties
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Posted - 2007.01.16 22:37:00 -
[10]
/signed
I'm not sure about the FPS or the lag for the clouds but 1 thing though it is not pleasing to the eye. I do squint my eyes and its forceful to them and I hate them...
amen to the petition.
NOTE: an option in the graphic menu would be very useful.
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Victor Ramirez
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Posted - 2007.01.16 23:40:00 -
[11]
/signed
Just get rid of them already.
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.01.17 00:09:00 -
[12]
Soooooooo signed!
Pretty much every game has an option to turn off FPS-killing eye-candy like that, why doesn't EVE? Since my comp is rather old, I am suffering quite badly from that :(
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snakebreath
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Posted - 2007.01.17 00:40:00 -
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Not signed.
Keep the roids in, alot of players mine them. As far as the clouds, ff their to bright to look at, do a camera pan away from them or turn down your brightness. I prefer panning the camera myself. As far as the frame rate hit, I haven't noticed. By the way, having the best visdeo card on the market aint the only thing that will boost your frame rate.
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snakebreath
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Posted - 2007.01.17 00:40:00 -
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Not signed.
Keep the roids in, alot of players mine them. As far as the clouds, ff their to bright to look at, do a camera pan away from them or turn down your brightness. I prefer panning the camera myself. As far as the frame rate hit, I haven't noticed. By the way, having the best visdeo card on the market aint the only thing that will boost your frame rate.
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Danjira Ryuujin
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Posted - 2007.01.17 01:28:00 -
[15]
Not signed.
An option to turn these things off might be nice, but I don't mind it. Hell I even like it a bit. Space is pretty bleak, keeping it spruced up cant hurt if you have the option of tuning it down.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2007.01.17 01:58:00 -
[16]
/signed
Make it an option in the graphics menu for those who want to keep it.
FOR THE EMPEROR!
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Zaiyo Modi
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Posted - 2007.01.17 04:46:00 -
[17]
Edited by: Zaiyo Modi on 17/01/2007 04:44:42
/signed
I never liked the clouds. Laggy, and visually annoying imo.
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Kuang Jao
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Posted - 2007.01.17 07:00:00 -
[18]
while I do understand the argument, I can't sign.
Missions would be bleak without the clouds. And while frames do drop a bit when your in the middle of one (60-45), it's not so bad that things are unplayable. And I'm using a 7900gt, 2gb mem, and an x2 4800 (a rather mild setup these days). Note that I play at 1280x1024, AAx8, AFx16, and all other goodies maxed (through driver settings).
I do understand the gripe from those with older/slower systems, but I won't sign a petition to kill the clouds. A disable option however seems to be in order.
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Valen's Refiner
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Posted - 2007.01.17 08:09:00 -
[19]
The cluds dont bother me that much.
I do wish we had an option to turn off the sun flaring however, its really hurting my eyes being honest. Its a nice feature and it does look nice sometimes but it should be a toggle option rather than "have some sun!!!!"
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Wicked Spider
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Posted - 2007.01.17 09:28:00 -
[20]
/signed
Amen to that brother, hope the gods in the north will see this.
my laptop suffers from those coulds 7 fps 
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Asteryos
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Posted - 2007.01.17 09:36:00 -
[21]
/signed
Doubt it's being caused by the clouds and overkill on the asteroids tough, i think its caused by ccp and their "Windows 95" [/sarcasm] engine, about time they update their graphical engine.
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.01.17 10:47:00 -
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I am 99% certain it is the clouds. I am having trouble with too much smoke, clouds and stuff in other games too. But there I can turn them off...
As for the guys with 'mild' ubersystems, please get a grip, not everyone is graced with the power of a wallet to afford a high end system. And I am sure the people who want the clouds gone really mean an option to turn them off too, not a blanket removal.
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Inqy
Caldari
Drink Through It
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Posted - 2007.01.17 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: Inqy on 17/01/2007 12:38:30
/squiggled
give us the option to have or to have not
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Rude Bwoy
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Posted - 2007.01.17 12:58:00 -
[24]
I quite agree.
One note - people will look back and laugh the 3rd most powerful video card when this post comes up in searches in years to come ;-)
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Sphynx Stormlord
Gallente
Anqara Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.17 14:16:00 -
[25]
/signed
There are some missions where my eve just freezes as I come out of warp, for 5-20+ seconds.
Would be nice to have an option to turn off the clouds, so they dont help to lag me out.
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Suntwirler
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Posted - 2007.01.17 14:42:00 -
[26]
/not signed
Missions would be rather boring without some scenery. Great job CCP on the SWEET graphics!!!
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Marquis Dean
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.17 14:43:00 -
[27]
100% /signed.
If you have some spare moments CCP, at least let us turn them on and off like turret effects and stuff.
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Letri Bimmet
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.17 14:52:00 -
[28]
not signed
Cause I have no problems with the clouds getting in my view, or seeing them overbright.
Nor Do I have problems with roids in missions. extra isk for me.
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Shozo
Gallente
Sanguinum Fratres
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Posted - 2007.01.17 15:14:00 -
[29]
not signed.
this could be an option but, not something that should be straight up removed. personally, even with a radeon 9800pro i don't see them as a big issue in terms of lag/fps. what i might see as an issue with them is possibly when warping into the grid they might cause some loading issues. this isn't a graphically intensive game...if there is lag or frame loss it's usually something else causing it 90% of the time.
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Prunel
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Posted - 2007.01.17 16:16:00 -
[30]
/signed
the clouds lag me big time,an option to turn them off would be welcomed
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Rooker
The Aussie Connection Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.17 16:25:00 -
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I edited the first post. I'm fine if it's optional, just as long as I can get rid of it myself.
For those saying "swing the view around", that's not an option sometimes. It doesn't work in Blockade and a few others, because the clouds are everywhere.
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Vahlan
A.O.U POS Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.17 17:17:00 -
[32]
/signed as well
Why in the world does The Blockade mission need 3 of the damn things? I get 9 fps with all those clouds. I don't care if it becomes optional or removed, just stop hurting my FPS!
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Don Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.17 17:31:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Don Caldari on 17/01/2007 17:32:56
definatly signed
oh and any chance we could also remove all of the wall pieces etc that are just eye candy
because those definatly also cause heavy lag on missions
at the very least make an overview option that will show only the buildings that actually have a chance of dropping loot
in some missions where u need to take out one building,when u turn large colidable objects on in the overview,u get a list about a mile long with wallpieces etc
edit:we also need an overview option to only show wrecks that actually contain loot in the overview
and it would be nice if it was posible to make a seperate window for gang info and drone info
since if u have both gang and drone info open u can list about 20 objects in the overview wich get cluttered by wrecks in about 60 seconds
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Emmistaz
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Posted - 2007.01.17 18:33:00 -
[34]
/signed,
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Sorela
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.17 18:41:00 -
[35]
While we're at it how about creating a new overview category called "useless mission props you don't need to pay attention too" instead of making everything large collidable structures and what not.
Some of them add nice flavor but I get irked when I miss something due to the fact that you pretty much HAVE to keep large collidables turned off.
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.01.17 21:43:00 -
[36]
Maybe edit the thread title too to reflect the optional thingy, so not more of the unsympathetic egomaniacal 'I have a good comp and no problem so it must not be changed' guys are led astray...
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mrhateboy
Vale Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.17 22:13:00 -
[37]
/signed
I remember the clouds being exceptionally obnoxious in the Gist 8/10 plex. They are just abrasive to the eyes at times.
--H8
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Elesen
Gallente
Otter Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.17 22:21:00 -
[38]
It should be an option. Don't remove them entirely.
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Jessamine
Freedom United
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Posted - 2007.01.17 22:31:00 -
[39]
 Originally by: Letri Bimmet
not signed
Cause I have no problems with the clouds getting in my view, or seeing them overbright.
Nor Do I have problems with roids in missions. extra isk for me.
Ppl keep saying this. The asteroids in Downing the Slavers are OMber and do not cause lag. THe asteroids in Stop The Thief are a massive debris field of at least 200 objects, they cause a 4-5 second lag when warping in to me.
And to those who say it shouldnt cause lag or your system sucks or whatever, I play on a laptop sometimes, which is a naturally obvious problem. Even on my desktop (a 'standard' 1g ddr2 3ghz, 7800 gt) this spike occurs, sure it may be beacuse I'm running 2 monitors and watching/doing stuff on the other screens, but that shouldn't refute the idea of an option to switch things off...
/signed
I'd also like to take the opportunity to sign for direct3d or opengl support (whichever one is currently fubar) as it means my projo wont play eve through the HTPC, for some unknown reason...
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Don't call me a griefer just becase you fly a space pinata and I choose to be the one to swing the stick
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Hesod Adee
Bright New Dawn
Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.17 22:31:00 -
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/signed. I want those clouds gone on my end.
As for it being an option, as long as I don't have to look at them I'm happy.
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Shozo
Sanguinum Fratres
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Posted - 2007.01.17 23:26:00 -
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Before I say this, I am purely assuming and using my own experiences and what I have read to base what I am about to write up off of.
I play this game on 3 different systems depending on availability in my home. Each varies in performance from 1.4ghz AMD TBird all the way up to 3.0ghz P4's and dual displays. All of the systems experience more or less identical lag or performance issues...regardless of system specs. The reason this game has lag or loss fps is because of the information being loaded. It is NOT, I repeat, NOT a graphically intensive game so any performance loss on your uber system is obviously not as a result of this. Especially if your uber system is able to run games like HalfLife2 in full gfx as that game is leaps and bounds ahead of EVE in the graphics department. If there is anything causing lag or fps it's the things developers have already been eluding to. And that's the database performance and data requests that have to do with missions/grids in systems. Think about it...loading 200 objects (for the asteroid field mentioned earlier off a SQL database no less) in a single grid ON WARP IN is obviously not a graphics related issue if it is only a spike initially and then stabilizes to a constant fps. That's most likely the grid loading for you on your client...so...all 200+ objects including NPC's, you, your teammates, and anything else related all loading in one shot basically. This then leads me to believe that we're dealing with an issue with database calls and loading objects from said database (duh right?). Well, this would be something CCP is not only aware of but, is doing what they can to alleviate. Also, consider this...were these gas clouds and other objects an issue before or after Kali? My assumption is that it was after that it became an issue.
But, then again...I could be way wrong.
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Kuang Jao
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Posted - 2007.01.18 04:21:00 -
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Edited by: Kuang Jao on 18/01/2007 04:18:12
Originally by: Leandro Salazar
As for the guys with 'mild' ubersystems, please get a grip, not everyone is graced with the power of a wallet to afford a high end system. And I am sure the people who want the clouds gone really mean an option to turn them off too, not a blanket removal.
Relax man. I posted that because the OP quotes that he's using a 7950, a card which is supposed to spec faster than mine. I agree with the last poster, but what he says brings up another point: if CCP removes all of the mission eye candy, whats left? If that were the case I might feel compelled to pop in Diablo II and revel in all it's glory.
Btw, I prefer to call it the power of school and ambition. Finding a job after all those years of hard work helps a little too (my system goes for cheap now anyway) :P
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Angelic Resolution
Arcanum Defence Forces
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Posted - 2007.01.18 04:24:00 -
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/signed
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Vizranuh
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Posted - 2007.01.18 06:52:00 -
[44]
/signed.
more graphical options would be sweeeeeet!
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Batelle
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Posted - 2007.01.18 07:05:00 -
[45]
/signed
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Wicked Spider
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Posted - 2007.01.18 09:26:00 -
[46]
there are times where i sit and try to figure out how this game works technically.
i play with 7-10 fps on a laptop but then there these missions where u see that the lag is created by objects in space (clouds and debris like in stop the thief level 4)
and im wondering if the server is sending all this information,
or if the lag is created client side.
i hope a that maybe a dev can comment on this and if this petition is even worth our trouble
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Cyclops43
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Posted - 2007.01.18 09:43:00 -
[47]
OMG, so 100% /signed!!!
The different bright nebulae (this goes for some general starsystem backgrounds as well) are often so bright that you simply CAN'T see whether your modules are active or not, and sometimes they make it impossible to utilise the tactical overview to see where enemies are in relation to your self. Remove them ASAP (or make it possible to adjust the gamma, up to and including OFF).
Besides, space is suppoosed to be dark and scary. All this bright WoW coloring should be left out.
For all the objects floating around in mission space, I've always thought that pretty retarded. Players MAY see them the first time they try a mission, but otherwise they're ignored. The only time they're NOT ignored is when you're warping into a mission, and the <insert multiple suitable swear words here> thing takes 15 seconds to load because of all the <insert more swear words> objects the mission designer thought 'necessary' in there....
Some of the items in there are pretty enough (like the 'Stop The Thief' 'roids), but why have 200 of them.
Some of the composite structures are pieces of art, but since they consist of a gazillion small objects, each of which has to be loaded and rendered, it is annoying as hell, especially when they fill up your overview too.
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Saaitar
Gallente
No Quarter.
C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.01.18 11:11:00 -
[48]
/signed
/signed
and once again
/signed :)
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Shadowfaxe
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.18 12:49:00 -
[49]
/signed
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.01.18 13:49:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Shozo
But, then again...I could be way wrong.
You are both right and wrong. Yes there is a lag spike on warp in in some missions, and that is NOT due to clouds and stuff but due to all the things in the mission grid being loaded from the DB. (I guess here it would help if a wall was one object instead of 237...  )
But that is not what my problem is, and I assume neither the OPs or that of most signers. That problem IS the clouds, and it IS a graphical issue and not a DB related one since it causes a significant drop in FPS constantly while you are in the mission area. And it has been here ever since I play EVE, not just since Kali (I started a thread or two about that in the suggestions forum at times but they drifted away into nothingness). It is also not an object number issue since I did not have such problems in some of the old non-deadspace missions which also had huge amounts of objects but not nearly the FPS drop as a cloud-infested deadspace. Paired with the issue of clouds/smoke being FPS killers in older 3D games as well, it is pretty obvious. Just like an option to turn them off seems obvious to me...
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XFinanX
Amarr
The Afterlife
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Posted - 2007.01.19 00:23:00 -
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******* signed.
4400 Dual core, 3 Gig of ram and a 7900GS and i get around 20FPS in missions like the Blockaid
rawr
Originally by: Arrgs
I'm going to /random 25 in WoW. Screenshot it, and post it here.
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Kuang Jao
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Posted - 2007.01.19 01:30:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Maybe edit the thread title too to reflect the optional thingy, so not more of the unsympathetic egomaniacal 'I have a good comp and no problem so it must not be changed' guys are led astray...
I'm gonna sign because I definately agree that there should be an option to disable fps killing graphics. But, we're all entitled to an opinion. My opinion is, I enjoy the clouds even though my $500 super computer  does take a hit in frames because of them.
Take it easy Leandro. No need to take out your frustrations here...
/signed
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Lance Fighter
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Posted - 2007.01.19 04:26:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Lance Fighter on 19/01/2007 04:22:39
/signed.
Dont you hate it when you get all that eye candy? :P
-edit off topic whoah. you can actually see my horrible picture now.
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Frank Horrigan
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Posted - 2007.01.19 06:07:00 -
[54]
YES Please god signed with great passion omfg.
having 50 dust/rust clouds floating around clipping wrong with everything in 1000 driffrent places which just looks HORRRIBLE is just.. a sin agaisnt this game.
So please make them optional till better cloud technology is developed.
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.01.19 08:41:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Kuang Jao
Take it easy Leandro. No need to take out your frustrations here...
I try, but people with an 'I have no problem so there is no problem' attitude just irritate me so badly... 
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.19 09:13:00 -
[56]
I hate those clouds.
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skydvejam
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Posted - 2007.01.19 10:22:00 -
[57]
If it is something that can be turned on and off I am for it, but there needs to be an option. I have my laptop that eats everything that EVE has to offer with no issues. Granted it is 2 Gigs of DDR ram, a duo core Pentium Proc. And a pair of SLI cards. Now on the other hand heading to some popular Ice mining spots causing incredible lag while everything loads
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hellraiser
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Posted - 2007.01.19 11:44:00 -
[58]
/signed
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iMine R
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Posted - 2007.01.19 13:15:00 -
[59]
/not signed
1600x1200 resolution with 16xAA 16xAF I still run at over 50fps
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Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.01.19 15:04:00 -
[60]
Originally by: iMine R
/not signed
1600x1200 resolution with 16xAA 16xAF I still run at over 50fps
So why does that automatically preclude getting an option? Because you get 50 frames doesn't mean everyone else does. I'm lucky to break 18 in a safespot on one of my computers.
Definately signed, I simply cannot run L4s on one of my comps because there is too much stuff there. I'd get BBQed before I even saw what was shooting me. Anything to decrease that load is good.
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Marcus Aurus
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Posted - 2007.01.19 15:54:00 -
[61]
Signed
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Mitch Manus
Regeneration
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Posted - 2007.01.19 16:28:00 -
[62]
SIGNED
Please CCP, make them optional ><
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PhamNuwen
Caldari
Bungee Jumper
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Posted - 2007.01.19 17:08:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Rooker
Edited by: Rooker on 18/01/2007 19:06:49
Dear CCP, our uber and 1337 overlords,
Please remove the ******* clouds and dust from mission deadspaces (or make it optional).
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additional:
make all objects as "wire frame" optional 
So I'm able to use my old VGA-Card again...
;-)
/disagree
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Angry Sheep
Amarr
Aur0ra
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Posted - 2007.01.19 17:58:00 -
[64]
/signed. (x2)
This is so so so so the most annoying thing for me.
1. Huuuuge lage inducer
2. Frame rate self destruction when in complexes
3. Obscures a lot of visibility
It's a Dog eat Dog World out there and I'm wearing Milky Bone underwear
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Crag Heyder
Gallente
Icosothron Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.19 21:33:00 -
[65]
signed as well, for it to be an option.
I'd be much more happy to play this game smooth and wait for content, then to have the content and not have good performance.
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Kuang Jao
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Posted - 2007.01.19 21:48:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Kuang Jao on 19/01/2007 21:48:43
Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Originally by: Kuang Jao
Take it easy Leandro. No need to take out your frustrations here...
I try, but people with an 'I have no problem so there is no problem' attitude just irritate me so badly...
Ok, you're right man. I do understand that. I do take a hit from those clouds though, and acknowledge that they're definitely an issue. I just enjoy them enough that I personally wouldn't turn them off. But I did sign the petition because I definitely don't have the above mentioned attitude  .
And I'm really not trying to drag this out, I just felt like I must've given you the wrong idea with my first post. All I meant was, I have a slower vid card than the OP, and while I do lose some frames, I'm not having an issue of playability.
This also serves as a bump. Whats good for the community is good for everyone, even if they are using 8800gtx's in SLI 
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John Prescott
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.01.19 22:05:00 -
[67]
also signed this.
I like the cloud effects but they really are fps/lag-tastic. Would prefer that the likes of this sort of thing is kept very much to the background so i dont have to feel like i might crash to desktop when i have to pan my camera about :)
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Secretary
Bargain consumables
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Posted - 2007.01.20 00:53:00 -
[68]
/signed
I am an alt.
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Mr John22ta
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.20 13:40:00 -
[69]
/signed
/signed
/signed
/signed
/signed
/signed
/signed
/signed
/signed
/signed
/signed
/UBERWTFMEGABBQINGWOOTAGEINGSIGNINGFTW
i dont mind paying 16$ a flipping month if it gives me the damn option to disable them clouds (even if im getting a new uber comp soon:))
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Pantheon Lea
Farmer Boyz
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Posted - 2007.01.20 19:28:00 -
[70]
/signed
And in bright systems it's still sometimes a pain to check in the HUD whether the modules are on or off.
[x] Don't draw clouds in deadspace areas.
[x] Show a black background with 25% translucency under the HUD.
 Pantheon Lea
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Katapilla Killa
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Posted - 2007.01.21 02:09:00 -
[71]
/signed
I can't even do missions because of this =[
Not everyone can afford a kickass vid card
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Warrio
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Posted - 2007.01.21 10:25:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Warrio on 21/01/2007 10:22:39
/signed x4 for my housemates and I.
The number 1 performance upgrade that Eve could recieve.
There is a way to remove these but I'm not sure of it's "legality" and as such I will not discuss it here.
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Demona Diabolicus
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.01.21 11:09:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Demona Diabolicus on 21/01/2007 11:25:38
NOT signed.
What you are asking, is that in comparsion with real life, you are asking someone to make snow and fog and heavy rain optional in the weather, when you need to drive your car from point A to point B, because it disturbs you. IT HAS to disturb you, thats the point of the clouds in the game (compare it with bad weather in real life ... you can't turn it off). Their not there to make your picture pretty, but to make your navigation and stuff harder.
I have 3 years old computer and no way too powerful GPU (Nvidia 7800GS AGP) and I have no problem with clouds even in windowed mode (1600x900), so there's something else that's painful for your FPS (like the number of ships in your mentioned blockade mission, or your internet's connection speed or your totally useless antivirus software that takes 60% of your CPU or the fact that you added manually to your EVE some 16x antialias that shouldnt be there or you have like 10 others applications and 50 services running in the background).
Maybe, just maybe, they should add an option to turn down the clouds detail level and making them from nice semi transparent cloud to plain opaque spheres for the 'I_am_too_silly_to_learn_how_to_optimize_my_computers_performance' people. I honestly don't understand what's the person with 7950 card is whining, because he eighter hasnt applied nvidia drivers to his card (and is running the game with default VGA drivers) or he wants to run 4 separate eve's on one computer on 4 different displays (and then it sure lags).
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Demona Diabolicus
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.01.21 11:33:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Pantheon Lea
And in bright systems it's still sometimes a pain to check in the HUD whether the modules are on or off.
[x] Show a black background with 25% translucency under the HUD.
But this is a perfectly good idea and to this one I sign gladly :)
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Wicked Spider
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Posted - 2007.01.21 12:20:00 -
[75]
a dev maybe care to share his thoughts? 
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DHU InMe
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.01.21 16:12:00 -
[76]
Add a second option of smoke (for people that have poor-medium hardware)!
The current one is fps hit even on big machines.
amd 2800
GeForce 6600 LE
1go ram
80go ahrd drive
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Riven Starkill
Caldari
Regalis Industria Scientia Entreprendre
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.21 17:54:00 -
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Edited by: Riven Starkill on 21/01/2007 17:52:53
/signed.
This is long overdue. Pretty graphics are nice, but I want to play a game, not take an art class. Make it work first, then make it pretty.
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DEFF DSP
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Posted - 2007.01.21 19:39:00 -
[78]
/signed
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Varkel
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Posted - 2007.01.21 21:44:00 -
[79]
Signed.
I think people do missions for profit ,not to look at a nice background that causes crazy lag.
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SpiroTris
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.01.21 21:49:00 -
[80]
/signed...
until they fix this somehow I won't be able to run missions on my laptop any more :(
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Revona
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Posted - 2007.01.21 22:31:00 -
[81]
/signed
gogogo
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Ikarushka
A.O.U. Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.22 03:10:00 -
[82]
signed
Sig removed. Please keep it in English. -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) |
Sudhana
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Posted - 2007.01.22 07:18:00 -
[83]
/signed
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Senghir
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Posted - 2007.02.02 19:54:00 -
[84]
/signed
a lot. I hate teh lag caused by these. agree with the walls comment too about multiple items in overview.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.02 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 02/02/2007 20:20:32
Originally by: Demona Diabolicus
Edited by: Demona Diabolicus on 21/01/2007 11:25:38
NOT signed.
What you are asking, is that in comparsion with real life, you are asking someone to make snow and fog and heavy rain optional in the weather, when you need to drive your car from point A to point B, because it disturbs you. IT HAS to disturb you, thats the point of the clouds in the game (compare it with bad weather in real life ... you can't turn it off). Their not there to make your picture pretty, but to make your navigation and stuff harder.
Not: it is asking that the street lamp use orange and not white light to reduce refraction in the fog, that the road is build so to drain the rain and not to pool it, ecc.
The effect of the clouds blocking sight can be done with dark cloud, the choice to have bright ones is wrong, as it is eye soring an affect the player, not the in game visibility.
The same for the module readout.
A yellow bright background make the light green activation display almost invisible.
If you don't think this are problems because you know of to "adjust" your video card to compensate, good for you, but don't pretend all the rest of the world must rise to your heights of expertise to play.
EVE would be a very solitary game then.
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Pralay
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.03 00:44:00 -
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The only valid reason to make them optional is framerate.
Having some missions be difficult, or force you not zoom out, or limit movement, or make it hard to target/see enemies is fun.
Sameness == boredness
Varity == spice of life
I'd actually like to see more enviromental effects like clouds slow you down, asteroids block fire, EM storms screw with targeting, etc.
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.03 11:42:00 -
[87]
Quote:
What you are asking, is that in comparsion with real life, you are asking someone to make snow and fog and heavy rain optional in the weather, when you need to drive your car from point A to point B, because it disturbs you. IT HAS to disturb you, thats the point of the clouds in the game (compare it with bad weather in real life ... you can't turn it off). Their not there to make your picture pretty, but to make your navigation and stuff harder.
So what you are saying is that it is okay that clouds make EVE harder for people with slow computers while not affecting those with fast ones? Because the mere graphical effect of the clouds has pretty much zero effect on me, I shoot using almost exclusively the overview anyway. The only bad thing about it is the framerate hit. So I am pretty sure that the intended effect of the clouds is NOT to disturb you but quite the opposite, to make missions prettier to the eye.
Now if it was possible to tune the cloud graphics down but they actually had adverse effects on your ship ingame, that would be interesting too. But them simply killing performance on old comps is NOT okay.
Besides, a 7800GS is quite a lot more powerful than the usual 3-year old computer...
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Abyss Jack
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.03 12:43:00 -
[88]
/signed
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Deus Ex'Machina
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.03 12:45:00 -
[89]
/signed
common CCP , earn your pay !
this is important
work work
chop chop
do the thing , NOW !
i'll give you a dollar if you do it now 
heck , make that two !
I tried to look too far ahead
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Stems
Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2007.02.03 17:42:00 -
[90]
/signed
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Harry Voyager
Obscurity LLC
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Posted - 2007.02.03 22:20:00 -
[91]
/signed
While they don't do much to my frame rates, they are very hard to work in, simply because the brightness screws up the hud.
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