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Bobman Smith
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.12.21 22:13:56 -
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We need to stop thinking about balancing ships vs other ships solely on nurfing or tweaking their stats. I will agreed that the BS line up needs more appeal/use then its seeing today. Training into BS is kinda a waste when you can train into carriers and dreads that will do what BS's do but better. But with that said, there is nothing wrong with the current ships. Sure some could use a tweak here and there but that's trivial to the big picture that is Eve. Balancing Eve should be model of Risk vs Rewards and that is the root of the balancing issues in Eve lay. Pirate Faction ships allowed in Novice Plex, come on! 60M Hull priced for T3 Dessie, then you can insure them so they net out being lower risk then T2, and coming close to T1... *face smack*. Why would anyone not fly T3's? But there power needs to be in game to counter larger fleets/alliances when it comes down to it.
Below is a proposal to add value to the BS line up by adding another ship, and the tweaks to balance T3 so that they remain powerful and balanced vs our wallets instead of other ships.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6228412#post6228412
T3 Destroyers should cost aprox 160M. Change 50% to 25% weapons damage bonus.
Remove Insurance from game. Undocking should be risky with no paybacks!
Ban Frigate Pirate Ships from Novice FW Plexs.
Have more then 1 Clone in a station without loss.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
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Posted - 2015.12.21 22:27:46 -
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baltec1 wrote:Lan Wang wrote:baltec1 wrote:Madlightning wrote:
what battle ship with turrets can Fend of frigs out to 15 KM without it being a missle ship or Cramming E-war webs and scrams?
mega, navy mega, vindi, kronos, pest, fleet pest, vargur, hyperion, domi, sin, barghast, navy domi. missed the panther and typhoon, id rather undock my mach, rattler or vindi than a t3 tbh Ah forgot the panther and mach.
and my Nightmare? or a Rokh?
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big miker
Rifterlings Zero.Four Ops
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Posted - 2015.12.21 22:48:48 -
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In my opinion: Slightly increase warp speed Slightly increase scan resolution increase all battleship lock range over 100km with Max skills
Other than that, like others have said t3 cruisers are too good. Removal / change of the HP bonus subsystem is a great start. T2 resists coupled with HP bonus is insanely powerful.
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Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
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Posted - 2015.12.21 23:00:08 -
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Kuronaga wrote: Battleships got replaced by caps.
all battleships
ALL CAPS
.... you're right. It's not the same anymore.
PCU discussion Marsha's post,
SP discussion Sibyyl's post
opinions = onions*pi
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Daerrol
Death By Design Did he say Jump
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Posted - 2015.12.22 19:16:01 -
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The more I get into smaller scale PVP, the more I aprciate how OP lock range is. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
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Posted - 2015.12.22 20:08:02 -
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big miker wrote:In my opinion: Slightly increase warp speed Slightly increase scan resolution increase all battleship lock range over 100km with Max skills Other than that, like others have said t3 cruisers are too good. Removal / change of the HP bonus subsystem is a great start. T2 resists coupled with HP bonus is insanely powerful.
Exactly what I was saying. That is all they need.
And OP, the guns you are looking for are called medium and small turrets.
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Valacus
Streets of Fire
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Posted - 2015.12.22 20:27:41 -
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CCP has been blatantly and deliberately ignoring battleships for more than a year now.
"Hmmm, what can we do to make the game better?" "More fast, small, kitey ****?" "Genius, let's do it. Call them T3Ds." "What about next patch? What can we do to make the game better?" "More fast, small, kitey ****?" "Genius, let's do it. Call them logi frigates and command destroyers."
Capitals and Citadels will have their day. Better start training for dreads and carriers. They'll be exponentially more useful than battleships. |
Rek Seven
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2015.12.22 20:56:36 -
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baltec1 wrote:I can get my battleships to do all of the above.
The biggest problem battleships have is the fact that t3 cruisers get the same EHP while sporting a sig a fraction of the size, Greater speed and cap stability.
The problem with one ship is never due to another ship. This is a battleship problem and changing other ships to try and fix the problem will only result in more problems.
Battleships are too weak and it makes no sense! We need more BS only mods to get past some of the weaknesses... Or they should all be able to use the bastion module to make then unique from other classes
The wishlist is pretty much complete...
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
2078
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Posted - 2015.12.22 21:37:45 -
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I watched a small blue roaming gang go past me into Geminate today, with two Typhoons, a Typhoon Fleet Issue, and a Sabre. I wished them good luck and thought to myself that they were likely to get Russian capital ships dropped on them, but I think that was their desire.
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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Nienna Leralonde
Viper-Squad WE FORM V0LTA
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Posted - 2015.12.22 21:44:10 -
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battleship pvp is dead.
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Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.22 22:34:58 -
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baltec1 wrote:I can get my battleships to do all of the above.
The biggest problem battleships have is the fact that t3 cruisers get the same EHP while sporting a sig a fraction of the size, Greater speed and cap stability.
Well, you get what you pay for..
I can has blogging skills!
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.12.22 22:45:30 -
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Give battleships +25% HP across the board, then introduce 3200mm armor plates and XL shield extenders for battleships. Problem solved. Next.
Linna Excel wrote:Well, you get what you pay for.. So if I pay for two battleships, I get a battleship that moves like a cruiser?
Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
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Faelune
Tous Pour Un
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Posted - 2015.12.22 22:52:13 -
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One way is open. Honestly I think BS actually must be what destroyer are to Fregate; A Super Battlecruiser obviously. With something new never see onany shipclass. A new rack for high slot under the current high for Large. a rack of high slot only dedicated for Light or medium weaponry. Bs could be fitted with Full Large or a mix with Med and Small or Large and Small.
Think it a little
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elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
980
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Posted - 2015.12.23 00:47:55 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Give battleships +25% HP across the board, then introduce 3200mm armor plates and XL shield extenders for battleships. Problem solved. Next. Linna Excel wrote:Well, you get what you pay for.. So if I pay for two battleships, I get a battleship that moves like a cruiser?
No, this will be so hilariously broken.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
17088
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Posted - 2015.12.23 11:20:51 -
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Rek Seven wrote:baltec1 wrote:I can get my battleships to do all of the above.
The biggest problem battleships have is the fact that t3 cruisers get the same EHP while sporting a sig a fraction of the size, Greater speed and cap stability. The problem with one ship is never due to another ship. This is a battleship problem and changing other ships to try and fix the problem will only result in more problems. Battleships are too weak and it makes no sense! We need more BS only mods to get past some of the weaknesses... Or they should all be able to use the bastion module to make then unique from other classes
This is as blatantly untrue today as it was when the game fired up.
T3 cruisers either step on the toes or outright invalidate more than 50 other ships. Command ships for example are another class that many think are underpowered but in reality they are perfectly fine, they are simply outclassed by t3 boosters. T3D are another problem ship that have ruined the frigate balance because they are far too powerful.
I'd rather nerf 4 ships than buff over 50 that would inevitably cause even more balance issues.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
17088
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Posted - 2015.12.23 11:22:36 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:
As much as I hate to add a ruined BS hull, only a frig pilot idiot would go after a geddon.
I love the new geddon, so much fun to fly and fit.
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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
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Posted - 2015.12.23 15:14:58 -
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I like flying my barghest with RHML.
Some dudes zerg rushed me with a bunch of frigs the other day and I littered the space with their ship wrecks.
I agree battleships need a bit of a buff but I don't think we will see many big battleship fleets besides a few strat ops where you just bring the biggest thing you can.
Pls leave my machariel alone, thank you.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Valacus
Streets of Fire
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Posted - 2015.12.23 21:34:03 -
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Linna Excel wrote:baltec1 wrote:I can get my battleships to do all of the above.
The biggest problem battleships have is the fact that t3 cruisers get the same EHP while sporting a sig a fraction of the size, Greater speed and cap stability. Well, you get what you pay for..
You can't even pay to make a battleship do what a T3 can do, so that argument is crap. |
Romana Erebus
Rifterlings Zero.Four Ops
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Posted - 2015.12.24 00:32:52 -
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Add more T2 battleship class ships. Maybe a T3 battleship Also....it's okay to add skill intense ships to the game. everything does not have to be a frigate or destroyer. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
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Posted - 2015.12.24 02:54:11 -
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Faelune wrote:One way is open. Honestly I think BS actually must be what destroyer are to Fregate; A Super Battlecruiser obviously. With something new never see onany shipclass. A new rack for high slot under the current high for Large. a rack of high slot only dedicated for Light or medium weaponry. Bs could be fitted with Full Large or a mix with Med and Small or Large and Small.
Think it a little
No silly, you think a little. There is no law in EVE that makes you fit any ship according to what you have been told.
But here we have it, yet another victim to the oversaturation of ships we have. Back in the day when then were less ships in EVE we actually had to think outside the box and have them perfom any task we wanted them to.
Now the newer folks ask for ships that help them go to sleep at night and read them a story. Sometime less is so much more.
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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
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Posted - 2015.12.24 03:30:36 -
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A t2 battleship that is focused on heavy damage output would be very nice.
Doesn't need to have massive tank like everything t2.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1715
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Posted - 2015.12.24 14:23:14 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Give battleships +25% HP across the board, then introduce 3200mm armor plates and XL shield extenders for battleships. Problem solved. Next. Linna Excel wrote:Well, you get what you pay for.. So if I pay for two battleships, I get a battleship that moves like a cruiser?
No you ninny - you get 2 battleships. I now understand the reasoning behind many of your conclusions and opinions on this forum. It all makes sense now! |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1715
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Posted - 2015.12.24 14:33:47 -
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baltec1 wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:
As much as I hate to add a ruined BS hull, only a frig pilot idiot would go after a geddon.
I love the new geddon, so much fun to fly and fit. elitatwo wrote:[quote=baltec1] and my Nightmare? or a Rokh? Nightmare is a great ship, rokh I wouldn't use vs frigates as such it more of a long range anti-cruiser type ship best used in a gang(longer range blaster boat is always nice).
I love the old geddon. It was a giant space penis that spewed fire and death across the battlefield. Now it lands and puffs out a few drones - visually, that makes no sense. They replaced a raging teenager of doom w/ a sputtering old man ship. Graphically it should kind of sag down at the front end at this point - more bananna shaped never being straight and stucturally sound again.
The current geddon would have been excellent if intorduced as a blood raider faction BS. They could have called it a Bhaalgorn or something to that effect. The apoc would have been a better choice to ruin. It doesn't have the classic penis outline and the t1 sniping laser BS will never be a thing again (napoc will always be a better choice).
The Fozzinator did a bad thing and should be punished. |
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