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ghosttr Amarr Point-Zero Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:10:00 - [1] We have had someone alt cloaked in local for about a week now, we have exhausted all methods of finding him. This alt does nothing but sit in system cloaked. And according to the gms its not an exploit. I think that there should be someway to find cloak ships, or putting a cloaked alt in a system 23/7 for 2 weeks should be an exploit. SUPPORT T2 FIX!
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:12:00 - [2] Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 19/01/2007 16:08:25 I've tried making this point so many times but every cloak junkie likes to respond simply with "good thats what they are meant to do blah blah" Or at least get rid of local so I don't know they are there DOWN WITH CTRL+Q!!!
ghoststalkertr	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:14:00 - [3] They are meant to cloak and spy, yes i agree with that. But if hes in your system 23/7 for multiple weeks it should be an exploit. Or there should be a limit of how long the cloak can stay online. (so if its an alt the main wont have time to constantly re-online the cloak)
Aurel Senia The Fayth	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:14:00 - [4] Originally by: ghosttr putting a cloaked alt in a system 23/7 for 2 weeks should be an exploit. Why should it be an exploit?
ghoststalkertr	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:17:00 - [5] Originally by: Aurel Senia Originally by: ghosttr putting a cloaked alt in a system 23/7 for 2 weeks should be an exploit. Why should it be an exploit? because its using something to gain an unfair advantage. how would you like it if i put a cloaked alt in your system 23/7 for 2 weeks?, ofc you can get a fleet up but the sob stays cload and cannot be found.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:18:00 - [6] Originally by: ghosttr We have had someone alt cloaked in local for about a week now, we have exhausted all methods of finding him. This alt does nothing but sit in system cloaked. And according to the gms its not an exploit. I think that there should be someway to find cloak ships, or putting a cloaked alt in a system 23/7 for 2 weeks should be an exploit. Cloaking IS legal. This is what cloaking where made for. Hiding. Also, why should it be an exploit to sit cloaked and hidden? If it was really an exploit, the module itself would be the exploiter. But as long its a valid item in EVE, this "exploit" is allowed. Also, finding people who are hidden... If you could find someone who where hidden, it would defeat the purpose of the cloak, right? Its not an exploit. Its a valid tactic and information/gathering tool. A tool for espionage and preying on targets with. Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
CharlieMurphy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:18:00 - [7] 23/7 is probably an exageration sinse people generally need to sleep sometime if this alt genuinely is in 1 system 23/7 that would suggest account sharing which the gms might take a little more seriously
Aurel Senia The Fayth	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:19:00 - [8] Originally by: ghoststalkertr because its using something to gain an unfair advantage. how would you like it if i put a cloaked alt in your system 23/7 for 2 weeks?, ofc you can get a fleet up but the sob stays cload and cannot be found. Unfair advantage? its a cloak, its SUPPOSED to make you invisible. You can put a cloaked alt in my system all year if you'd like, it still cloaked and can't do anything aggressive until it uncloaks. Sounds to me you're just whining because you have no options left.
Aurel Senia The Fayth	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:20:00 - [9] Edited by: Aurel Senia on 19/01/2007 16:16:46 Originally by: CharlieMurphy 23/7 is probably an exageration sinse people generally need to sleep sometime if this alt genuinely is in 1 system 23/7 that would suggest account sharing which the gms might take a little more seriously No, 23/7 just means somebody logs in and goes afk without logging off. What on EARTH is with the paranoia these days.
CharlieMurphy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:21:00 - [10] ill also add if somebody is stupid enough to log on and then leave this alt there while they sleep that can easily come under grief play

Aurel Senia The Fayth	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:22:00 - [11] Originally by: CharlieMurphy ill also add if somebody is stupid enough to log on and then leave this alt there while they sleep that can easily come under grief play No, it doesn't classify as anything at all, period. What drugs are you on? You cannot grief someone simply by being in system with them.
Vizranuh	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:23:00 - [12] omg, an "exploit"? how ridiculous. this is what it's supposed to be used for! and i wouldn't even go as far as account sharing... this person has the ability to just leave his computer on all the time with the client running. even if the client is running in the background. an exploit... please.... get a grip of yourself. don't cry because you're being spied on. deal with it. it's part of the game. why don't you go put your own alt spy in someone else's system. --
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:25:00 - [13] Originally by: ghosttr We have had someone alt cloaked in local for about a week now, we have exhausted all methods of finding him. This alt does nothing but sit in system cloaked. And according to the gms its not an exploit. I think that there should be someway to find cloak ships, or putting a cloaked alt in a system 23/7 for 2 weeks should be an exploit. Oh stop fracking crying and get some skill to find him. It can and has been done. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Nir The Doldrums	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:25:00 - [14] Local chat is the problem here, not cloaks.
CharlieMurphy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:26:00 - [15] Edited by: CharlieMurphy on 19/01/2007 16:23:23 Originally by: Aurel Senia No, it doesn't classify as anything at all, period. What drugs are you on? You cannot grief someone simply by being in system with them. why should i be on any drugs? because i think that cloaking and then going afk in a system for days and days on end is exploitative? your not really suggesting its done for any other reason than to annoy the locals and prevent them from playing business as usual? now if somebody does that while at their kb actually playing the game thats one thing,but to go afk in that manner shouldnt be allowed
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:27:00 - [16] You guys don't get it every thing in eve can be countered but virtually nothing can counter the cloaked spy. Lets say hes in a small ship with a helios sitting outside of the station at 60km watching you. The only way to find him is to get within 2500m so he decloaks and even before you can get that close he could warp off and you'd never know about it. The only way to catch him would be to have a fleet of dominixes and carriers exit the station each taking a different angle to approach the distance of 60km from while releasing thier drones to decloak him. That is a hell of an effort to find one helios. lets not even discuss finding him in a safe spot. all I want is a countermeasure against the cloak spy DOWN WITH CTRL+Q!!!
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:28:00 - [17] Originally by: Nir Local chat is the problem here, not cloaks. QFT ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg
Andargor theWise Disbelievers of Fate The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:28:00 - [18] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin I've tried making this point so many times but every cloak junkie likes to respond simply with "good thats what they are meant to do blah blah" Originally by: ghoststalkertr They are meant to cloak and spy, yes i agree with that. Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker This is what cloaking where made for. Originally by: Aurel Senia its a cloak, its SUPPOSED to make you invisible. Marcus, your future-fu is strong. Are you available for palm readings? I am sure powerful alliance leaders would like to retain your services to predict how the geopolitical landscape will change in the next few months. Trade tycoons as well!. Marcus, you are my friend. - Got grief? Revelations MySQL Database
Johnathan Roark Caldari Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:28:00 - [19] It may not be an exploit, but its poor balance. There is not counter to find the alt. Its basically a tatic to shut down a system. Cloaker finds targets for hostile fleet or if its a recon may even come out and kill ships on occation. That would be the only chance you get to kill it. As far as doing this 23/7. Owner just logs the alt on right after downtime and goes to school, work, sleep, bar, food, etc. We had one of these when we had stations, but at least she would try and fight occationally and we came close to killing her a few times. Corporation Management Improvement
Beef Hardslab The 5 Amigo's LLC.	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:30:00 - [20] Edited by: Beef Hardslab on 19/01/2007 16:30:48 It's not an exploit and it's not griefing. It's how cloaks work. I do however believe that there should be a counter to it. I think the counter should involve sovereignty, ie if you have sov in the system the cloaked character is sitting, maybe have their cloak use more and more cap as the days go by while in your sovereign space. So for the first day, he can sit cloaked all day. The second day, his cloak is gonna run out after 6 hours or so. He can put cap batteries/rechargers on, but that will only extend his amount of time allowed to remain cloaked in an enemy system - sooner or later the penalties overcome any amount of cap recharge or capacitance. Then you could have POS modules that will increase the cloak decay rate. Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve: Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.

Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:30:00 - [21] Edited by: Plutoinum on 19/01/2007 16:27:47 Originally by: Vizranuh this is what it's supposed to be used for! Don't know if it's supposed to be used for afk-psychological warfare, while you are in bed or at work. That's why those covert ops are there 23/7: To disrupt any activity of ratters and miners. It has been done to us and I have done it myself to some farmers I wanted to get out of a system and it worked quite well. It's quite powerful and the question is if it's supposed to be that way. One proposal was to let the cloaking device use fuel. Btw. I thought that coverts were said to be probable in Kali, just that you still need to decloak them manually. Wonder what happened to that plan. ______________ need new sig
CharlieMurphy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:34:00 - [22] cloaks shouldnt be probable imo it goes against the point of a cloak i like flying cloaked and the freedom it allows cloaks arnt the problem here its people that want to annoy so badly that they will keep their pc on 23/7
D'onryu Shoqui Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:37:00 - [23] they could add a fix like, the longer your cloaked the higher the signal strenght grows, so people cant just cloak and go afk for hours on end
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:38:00 - [24] Edited by: Plutoinum on 19/01/2007 16:40:17 Originally by: CharlieMurphy cloaks shouldnt be probable imo it goes against the point of a cloak Well, if it took like half an hour and the warp-in wasn't so accurate, that you land already in decloak-range, then it might be quite effective to deal with afk-cloakers, without effecting normal use much. ______________ need new sig
Aelena Thraant Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:38:00 - [25] Yes cloaks need a counter.... I agree... Maybe a special scan prob that takes 20 minutes or so and has like a 1 au range. Not perfect but a counter. Now your situation is counterable. Have scouts in surrounding systems to make sure there isn't a gang to gank someone ratting... If it's a force recon... I would suggest ratting in groups. A long time ago my corporation was camped with a Carrier with a cloak and a Force Recon or 2. We just learned to adapt and it gave us some tactics that we used later. IMO Non Covert ops cloak should somehow should disengage after a set amount of time. That way if people are there then they can just recloak if they arn't then out goes the scan probes.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:43:00 - [26] Originally by: Andargor theWise Edited by: Andargor theWise on 19/01/2007 16:25:31 Originally by: Marcus TheMartin I've tried making this point so many times but every cloak junkie likes to respond simply with "good thats what they are meant to do blah blah" Originally by: ghoststalkertr They are meant to cloak and spy, yes i agree with that. Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker This is what cloaking where made for. Originally by: Aurel Senia its a cloak, its SUPPOSED to make you invisible. Originally by: Vizranuh this is what it's supposed to be used for! Marcus, your future-fu is strong. Are you available for palm readings? I am sure powerful alliance leaders would like to retain your services to predict how the geopolitical landscape will change in the next few months. Trade tycoons as well!. Marcus, you are my friend. Not so much a psychic as I am aware of the cookie cutter arguments used against various things Ex: Cloaks = No they are working as intended, Local = No we hate pirats, Logoffski = No we hate bubbles/honor jibba jabba/I ain't givin you ** jibba jabba DOWN WITH CTRL+Q!!!**
Eriv Kendri Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:44:00 - [27] Its the afk nature of the cloaker thats most annoying - perhaps you should be kicked from the server if you are afk for more than a certain time. That way someone has to be at least attendent. -------
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:44:00 - [28] Originally by: Aelena Thraant Yes cloaks need a counter.... I agree... Maybe a special scan prob that takes 20 minutes or so and has like a 1 au range. Not perfect but a counter. Now your situation is counterable. Have scouts in surrounding systems to make sure there isn't a gang to gank someone ratting... If it's a force recon... I would suggest ratting in groups. A long time ago my corporation was camped with a Carrier with a cloak and a Force Recon or 2. We just learned to adapt and it gave us some tactics that we used later. IMO Non Covert ops cloak should somehow should disengage after a set amount of time. That way if people are there then they can just recloak if they arn't then out goes the scan probes. They could make a hot pocket and warp around in the time it takes to get them probed out DOWN WITH CTRL+Q!!!
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:45:00 - [29] Originally by: Eriv Kendri Its the afk nature of the cloaker thats most annoying - perhaps you should be kicked from the server if you are afk for more than a certain time. That way someone has to be at least attendent. I like that too it would clear up alot of systems to be honest DOWN WITH CTRL+Q!!!
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:45:00 - [30] So, you've got a single claoked alt sitting in your system.... And that's an issue because of what exactly ? You don't feel safe ? OMG ! The answer is called puttin-an-alt/scout-of-your-own-in-nextdoor-systems-and-letting-all-friendlies-know-when-to-run-for-cover Ofc, you could also try to set a trap for him and his friends if the prior tactic doesn't help for some reason. I bet they wouldn't expect to scramble a single bs in a belt only to be jumped by a dozen others from a safespot 15 au away. Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist



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