So basically, you have nothing.

No, basically what he is saying is you will never understand, as proven by all your posts in this thread. Therefore it is a waste of time even trying; because no matter how many times he explains, how many hours he spends trying, you have already made up your mind that you are right and the masses explaining to you why you aren't, are all wrong...

Therefore it is pointless lowering ourselves to your level, because you will only beat us to death with your experience at such level.

Oh the MASSES disagree with me now huh? I guess that why there are also others in this thread trying to explain to you why it a bad mechanic. CCP decided to change this mechanic, for reasons they explain in great detail. Now this thread crops up.

Long long time ago, we use to have a music juke box. Where we could put music in the folder and play it in game. It was a fun little tool. But CCP was spending god aweful amounts of developer time to make sure it stays up to date, and had all the codecs properly set up, and could run the media files. After a while they Axed it, saying that it was costing the team more time then what it was worth.

A petition, more then one popped up in fact, and it got like I think 200 pages with of signatures AND arguments in it on why they want to keep it, or why wasting developer time was bad. Of course this was back during the six month dev cycle period. Back to my point, you know what happen? The music juke box is still axed. That is why I predict that this thread, will go absolutely no where, specially seeing that the original poster didn't start a discussion on why it should stay, he just threw up a silly petition to have people "sign" it. I made a post explaining why a mechanic is bad, to tell you the truth though. I could have said nothing because I already know that petition threads have in the past, never worked. Thus I don't see them any time in the future ever working.

So sure, make claims that I'm "stupid" or have no clue what I'm talking about, but you are right on one thing. I will beat you on experience, I have seen these things time and time again crop up, and then die. Players will adapt, and will get acustom to their new rule sets, and in turn find new ways to counter their enemy.

So please go ahead, continue your blind resolve. Nothing will happen, the changes will go through as plan. CCP is under no obligation to listen to you, or really anyone.

Holy ******* autism!
They aren't claims when they're true. That would be fact. And the fact is: You have no clue as to the **** you be chatting.
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...I have been in other corps, and this is hardly a forum alt...

it is pointless lowering ourselves to your level

All they need to do it make it effect your cap like when you online or offline modules. So player opens his refit panel... soon as he changes out one module it kills other players cap. Each time one changes out it kills his cap more. by %.


25% 1st
30% 2nd
35% 3th
40% 4th
50% 5th

etc etc

I say we let the refit mechanic stay as is and see how the upcoming changes effect the game first. With cap RR being restricted to being in triage only (no more slow cats) and the new addition of the force aux caps i think the refit mechanic should be left alone.

I personally enjoy refitting in combat and think it adds a level of complication to the game. We continue to play EVE because we like how complicated it is. not being a simple F1 MMO.

KEEP THE REFITTING MECHANIC AS IS

Signed.

Why is everyone so desperate to keep this mechanic around? It really only benefits capitals or fleets with capitals on the field, and even then mostly carriers. It won't break the game to change it. Darn, what you showed up to the field fitted in is what you have to fight in. Well, any fleet without Nestors or carriers is in the same boat as you, so I'm sure you'll survive. Mobile depots always get incapped in 2 seconds, so it doesn't affect them at all.

So don't remove the mechanic and affect all situations, to address one problem. Address that one problem instead.

Obviously I can only answer for me, but my reasoning:

In the last year, CCP have been very vocal about the desire to encourage individual players to take a more active role in flying their ship in pvp. They want a game where the success of a fleet fight comes down to more than the decisions of the FC and everyone else able to press F1 at the right time.

Some things CCP has proposed have been directly aimed at achieving that, including the desire to change the fleet warp mechanics, new area of effect doomsdays coming with the capital rebalance, aspects of fozzie sov designed to break large fleets into smaller groups and mode switching mechanics on T3D that theoretically benefit more active piloting.

I certainly like that overall direction and feel that removal of the ability to refit in combat is a step away from that concept to address the single problem of slowcats.

Refitting is more than just drag and drop from/to a a ship to a hangar as demonstrated in this video that sort of kicked this response off after it was posted to Reddit last week (is also linked on page 1 of this thread):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qfv9zRAxgA

The timing and decision making is critical and fits very well with the overall concept CCP is trying to achieve while also taking time to learn at that level of skill - managing the balance between his own tank and cap, while still being able to support his fleet.

So don't remove the mechanic and affect all situations, to address one problem. Address that one problem instead.

But again, that's almost a capital exclusive mechanic, which isn't really the direction I think this game should go in. Capitals are already getting a better way to apply damage and affect battles involve sub-caps. They don't need to be able to swiss army knife their tank in the middle of a fight, or allow entire fleets to do the same. Bringing caps to every fight should not be the way this game moves. The whole point of the jump fatigue patch was to steer in the opposite direction of hot drop only fighting. So what's the solution then? Add MORE combat refitting ships and modules? Should every fight be a refit fight now? I don't think that's a good direction either. I'm all for more ways to let people show their skill in piloting their ships, but refits aren't the way to go. Stuffing your cargo hold for every eventuality doesn't feel like skill to me, and that's on top of the capital requirement, which again, isn't the direction I think the game should move towards.

The current refitting mechanic is a horrible pile of dogshit that allows a carrier to be the best at anything at any time with no consequences. I'm so glad they're changing it.

Btw I have no issue with removal of refitting on ships that are not in bastion/siege/triage

let me poke at the point the wh dudes are trying to get at, i think;

removing combat refitting takes away something from invaders. not an advantage, but a levelling of the playing field. when someone invades your wh system, they come to your home, and you can watch them do so, then bring appropriate ships to counter them with proper fits for such, refitted from an anchored ship maintenance array at a pos, and never have to worry about combat refitting. when invading someone's hole, you can only bring what you can fit through the hole, and many times it collapses behind you. being able to refit in combat doesn't put invaders at an advantage over defenders, it puts them on the same level, in that aspect at least, which takes away one advantage of the already stacked deck favoring defenders

Signed

This is a mechanic which encourages creativity and specialised tactics. EVE would be a poorer game without it.

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