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Aerious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2016.01.18 16:45:50 -
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What a waste of time and resources.
What use is this to a 2004 player with over 210m SP? |
Aerious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2016.01.18 16:52:42 -
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The Slayer wrote:Aerious wrote:What a waste of time and resources.
What use is this to a 2004 player with over 210m SP? You never made an alt?
I have an alt, it's useless for him too at over 150m sp |
Aerious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2016.01.18 17:52:05 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Assassin126 wrote:Something feels wrong about having AUR costs for it, its the first thing where AUR can help you buy skills.. I guess it depends a bit on the cost though. I just worry that like everything else it will be overpriced. Considering there is no limit any price will be over price as thighs who can spend more will get more sp
Who's thighs are you thinking about? 
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Aerious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2016.01.18 19:55:44 -
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King Aires wrote:
There is one SP Injector and its effect is dependent on the targets current SP load. Doesn't change how much is Extracted. 500k is extracted each time, the amount you get changes based on your current target.
So no, High SP Players don't like this, we would rather see a 1:1 across the board.
Being a high SP (213m) player myself, i dont want to see this implemented at all, but if is to be implemented, i would rather it be used by new player up to 20m SP and capped at 20m SP. There is no reason really why a higher SP character would need this.
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Aerious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2016.01.18 20:44:22 -
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Alexxei wrote:Aerious wrote:Being a high SP (213m) player myself, i dont want to see this implemented at all, but if is to be implemented, i would rather it be used by new player up to 20m SP and capped at 20m SP. There is no reason really why a higher SP character would need this That SP has to come from somewhere. There will not be any injectors on the market until someone rips some skills out their head. These things do not create SP they only redistribute.
I think you missed my point, i know where the sp comes from( i read both the dev blogs), all i am saying is, if it is to be implemented it should be capped at 20m sp.
It's taken me nearly 12 years to reach 213m, allowing some rich kid to come along, purchase thousands of -ú/$ of these injectors and be 200m in a few days is totally unfair and just goes to show how greedy CCPGäó can be. |
Aerious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.18 21:52:38 -
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Querns wrote:Zee Zaugg wrote:
Lots of players will lose a lot of expirience. We all had to claw our way into better ships, dying and learning along the way. When we get into capitals, unless you are laser focused, it comes from years of dedication to this game.
I had my first capital capable pilot and ship before I was more than a year old in the game. The Character Bazaar exists.
Well, leave it at that, i've bought and sold many a character this way for profit, the only reason CCPGäó are smiling at skill trading is they will be able to sell the skill extractor on the new eden store and make more money, why not raise the monthly subscription and put this stupid idea to bed. |
Aerious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.18 22:02:39 -
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Querns wrote:Aerious wrote:Querns wrote:Zee Zaugg wrote:
Lots of players will lose a lot of expirience. We all had to claw our way into better ships, dying and learning along the way. When we get into capitals, unless you are laser focused, it comes from years of dedication to this game.
I had my first capital capable pilot and ship before I was more than a year old in the game. The Character Bazaar exists. Well, leave it at that, i've bought and sold many a character this way for profit, the only reason CCPGäó are smiling at skill trading is they will be able to sell the skill extractor on the new eden store and make more money, why not raise the monthly subscription and put this stupid idea to bed. Uh, what? The only way I can think of how this makes sense is if you're a career character trader who's angry about his business taking a hit.
LOL im doing fine on my jump freighter alts, profit! |
Aerious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.19 11:51:09 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Aroye wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:So CCP has decided to go on ahead and kill Eve huh? Mark my words CCP, this game's REAL decline starts here! I don't think it will make any difference in the long run because extractors will probably cost way to much to be worth it. Something like a PLEX for a 7-8 days worth of SP. 400K sp is almost nothing in EVE. Some newbies will fall for it and wast money before they realize that it doesn't help. The point is that this is a first step to p2w, and if people agree to it (by just passively accepting it even though they're not happy about the whole thing) then the next step will be a little bit further. And then a little bit more, and more and more. So if one's not happy with this whole thing then by simply condoning it you perpetuate it. Me personally I draw the line here, not being dramatic about it but at some point you have to simply accept that the product you've been using for years is turning into something you don't want, and you decide to move on. Atm I'm consolidating my assets and then I'll delete my chars. And no you can't have my stuff, it'll be given to other folks.
There's no point threatning to leave, most of the people here raging and saying they will leave, will not, CCP know this after the monocle-crap a few years ago, hundreds threatend to leave, most are still here.
I as you am totally against this idea, but since there is a dev blog about it, i think it will be implemented, but im hoping CCPGäó sees sense and cap it at a lower SP value so it's only of use by newer players and make it so there is a limit to the amount of SP that can be injected per year.
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Aerious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.19 12:21:22 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:
What you're doing right now is justifying it by adding some variables to it going "well if CCP crosses THAT line then surely, I'll go do something about it". I don't, this is a massive turning point in EVE and simply a bridge too far. I'm not interested in the result of that nor the changes leading to that.
Well, i don't see many people blowing up monuments in Jita over this, so i guess it's been accepted by the masses. |
Aerious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.19 13:17:07 -
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ISD Supogo wrote:Removed a misfire post at the OP's request.
Deleting posts is a bad sign! 
I guess freedom of speech is not allowed by the hierarchy. |
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Aerious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.19 14:12:02 -
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Yonis Kador wrote:Of course the character bazaar is also PTW
It didn't use to be, most of the trades were done through the acquisition of isk through endless hours of mining, missions, etc, till PLEX was introduced and P2W came a reality.
"They worried we would eventually offer not just vanity items, but ones that would give the Haves an unfair advantage over the Have-Nots."
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Aerious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.19 19:15:47 -
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Tristan Agion wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I have some useless skill points - mining for example, but I made the decision to train them and I should have to, and do live with those choices. In what sense are you "living with those choices" anyhow? It's not like real life, where your life span is finite, you learn better when you are younger, and society tends to make it difficult to switch careers late in life. Right now, training takes the same time no matter what else your trained for however long earlier. The only "consequence" you suffer is that if your goals change then compared to a hypothetical you who had your new goals from the start your character will be older when your reach them. Basically, if you compare your training to the the ideal "from newbie to X" skill plan, then your detour to other things has "cost you time". But that's just in your mind. It would be different if for example there was a hard cap on SP, so that you could train only say 50M SP and no more. Or if training speed slowed down significantly as you acquired more SP. Then there would be real consequences of "wasted skill training". As it is, there are basically none. What skill point injection does is to allow players who have either ISK or unwanted SP (and AUR) to train into new skills more rapidly. That's all. If you think that's "evil", then I would suggest that you rip out all those implants that make you train faster. I bet you paid for those with ISK... This is simply another method of paying ISK to get skills faster. And unlike implants, which definitely increase the total SP growth in the game, these injectors may decrease it (though that depends on how much of the SP comes from active players extracting unwanted SPs, and how much from SP farming alts).
You sound like a goon alt.
"They worried we would eventually offer not just vanity items, but ones that would give the Haves an unfair advantage over the Have-Nots."
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Aerious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.21 12:41:17 -
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Cap it at 20m Skill Points per year (same as neural remap).
20m SP is around 1 year worth of training, anything more and the system is going to be abused.
"They worried we would eventually offer not just vanity items, but ones that would give the Haves an unfair advantage over the Have-Nots."
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Aerious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.21 20:17:49 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:Norn Thilnir wrote:SP for isk in EVE is just absurd. Well, at least it was in the EVE I played for a decade.
Sure, in the near future this may bring CCP more microtransaction isk, but I suspect people will just stop caring and much of the sense of "accomplishment" will be gone from the game. R U Scared? You might not have as many noobs to spank on. Would really suck if the playing field was level wouldn't it. We know what sucks, or who.
R U a Troll?
"They worried we would eventually offer not just vanity items, but ones that would give the Haves an unfair advantage over the Have-Nots."
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Aerious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.22 11:25:41 -
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Morkan Damosty wrote:
So I really think itGÇÖs a lot of noise for nothing at all.
Sorry i cut away most of the dribble you wrote 
in 2011 after the monocle-gate crap ($60 for a monocle) and Jita was burning. CCPGäó said that only vanity items would be sold via the New Eden Store, the skill injector is a bit more than a vanity item.
With the amount of injectors required to go from say 5m sp to 200m sp, i am sure CCPGäó will recover the cost of their new hardware http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/tranquility-tech-3/ and much more this way.
I would also like to see more CCPGäó employee's participating in this thread, since this is a major game changer, but as usual they are nowhere to be seen.
"They worried we would eventually offer not just vanity items, but ones that would give the Haves an unfair advantage over the Have-Nots."
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Aerious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.25 09:28:56 -
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Filip Ernaga wrote:As a new player I'll just state that I like this idea, and it will keep me in game.
This is because it will help me with all the skills I just HAVE to train, which have no impact on game itself. Things like cpu/pg 5, wu 5, awu3-4 and such do not enable me to get any different weapons/mods and really just sink time while I stagnate with same ship/fit for a few months already.
So yeah, either remove that stuff just like you removed learning skills (I would suppose people were whining about how necessary those are back then. just like they whine how sp trading will kill the game today) or let me invest my hard earned isk in SP ... thank you :)
This is not about dumbing the game down, it opens a LOT more options to players who came in only recently and would actually be in position where they can make a difference.
Welcome to New Eden, i doubt your "hard earned isk" will be enough to purchase a skill injection, you will need a credit card.
"They worried we would eventually offer not just vanity items, but ones that would give the Haves an unfair advantage over the Have-Nots."
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Aerious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.25 14:58:53 -
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Wow are you for real? Your writing style reminds me of another toon much older than a "New Player" i cant quite put my finger on atm but it will come to me, for now i will call you a troll 
"They worried we would eventually offer not just vanity items, but ones that would give the Haves an unfair advantage over the Have-Nots."
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Aerious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.25 15:04:44 -
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Talk with your main (Anabuki Tomoko), since you bought this character 2 weeks ago. New Player LOL
"They worried we would eventually offer not just vanity items, but ones that would give the Haves an unfair advantage over the Have-Nots."
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Aerious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.25 15:24:46 -
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Anabuki Tomoko wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Aerious wrote:Talk with your main (Anabuki Tomoko), since you bought this character 2 weeks ago. New Player LOL Oh dear... correct. this is my main. would you like to see how little SP she has? http://eveboard.com/pilot/Anabuki_Tomoko
You made over 6b (http://i.imgur.com/pJu6ELv.png) on that toon, I'd hate to imagine how...
"They worried we would eventually offer not just vanity items, but ones that would give the Haves an unfair advantage over the Have-Nots."
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Aerious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.26 01:39:51 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Tristan Agion wrote:VR is unlikely to be anything but a brief bubble on the market, for all the reasons Extra Credit (YouTube video) mentions. CCP would be really foolish to bet their company on that.And Paradox is the software company I've spent most of my gaming hours on... I'm really looking forward to their SF offering Stellaris. Well, the fact is that CCP has got 30 million $ of investor money to develop VR games. Also VR is something very close to Hilmar's heart.
Like Tristan Agion i also believe VR will be a flop.
World of Darkness= Fail (Say no more)
EvE Online= Success (so far)
EvE is unique, it has outlasted nearly all MMO's that were available in 2003 and some of the most popular since.
New eden could last another 12 years, but i doubt it very much with upcoming patch.
Sry for the dribble, i just love this ******* game
"They worried we would eventually offer not just vanity items, but ones that would give the Haves an unfair advantage over the Have-Nots."
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Aerious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.27 10:21:49 -
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Zappity wrote:Wow. I'm so glad CCP isn't watching this thread any more. It is depressing.
A bit like your blog.....
"They worried we would eventually offer not just vanity items, but ones that would give the Haves an unfair advantage over the Have-Nots."
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Aerious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.27 10:40:26 -
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After 12 years im also looking for a new game.
Star Citizen Which is currently in alpha looks promising. But has microtransactions from the get go.
Stellaris Looks kinda fun, eve and dust rolled into one package.
"They worried we would eventually offer not just vanity items, but ones that would give the Haves an unfair advantage over the Have-Nots."
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