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Savnire Jacitu
Abysmal Gentlemen
We Didn't Mean It
324
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Posted - 2016.01.19 10:20:44 -
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Venture makes a great pvp ship. A pvp ship for fun.
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Mithandra
Catastrophic Operations
Get Off My Lawn
430
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Posted - 2016.01.19 10:41:36 -
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No purpose?
Ha
Hahahahahahaha
heh. Sorry about that. Ninja mining wormhole gas clouds with a few t2 mining frigs is both extremely profitable and lots of fun.
The sheer speed and covops cloak capability make these puppies awesome in this role, plus relatively speaking, they are so cheap, one successful op is usually enough to pay off the cost of the ship.
Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2704
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Posted - 2016.01.19 11:00:25 -
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Savnire Jacitu wrote:Venture makes a great pvp ship. A pvp ship for fun.
This reminds me that I need to dust off one of my battle ventures... it's been a while.
Never successfully scored a good kill with one, but they are fun to try at least.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Leonerd Dice
KCT Joint Venture
1
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Posted - 2016.01.19 11:00:38 -
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Mithandra wrote:No purpose?
Ha
Hahahahahahaha
heh. Sorry about that. Ninja mining wormhole gas clouds with a few t2 mining frigs is both extremely profitable and lots of fun.
The sheer speed and covops cloak capability make these puppies awesome in this role, plus relatively speaking, they are so cheap, one successful op is usually enough to pay off the cost of the ship.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You can't see the bigger picture.
I can't disagree with you. You fill up that sucker with gas and it pays for itself in one load.
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Roberta Gastoni
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2016.01.19 11:35:50 -
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I'll try be constructive and post a small comparison between a venture and a prospect, based on my experiences
1) Cost and training time
The venture is a winner, costing only 250k isk versus the 20mil something and almost 20+ days of training for a prospect. The venture is the way to go for mining in a very dangerous space, where probably you are going to die in clone without implants, making the risk/reward ratio most likely pending on your side.
2) Cargo and Ore Hold.
I didn't say cargo hold for mistake or to troll, the cargo hold is what's making a prospect shine. A venture has only 50m2, making it actually impossible to bring a mobile depot and something else to fit, and the only way to refit in space without a mobile depot is either a ship with a ship hangar and a ship hangar in PoS. If you are ninja mining in wh / low / null space, much likely you wont have any of the two, and it can happen you pass from harvesting gas to mining mercoxit in the same trip.
Ore hold is also important, even if you have a wormhole taking you from your safe high sec home to a dangerous space, be it a c1 to 3, low or null, minimizing your trips also reduce the chance someone is awaiting you at the gate / wormhole to kill you and steal your precious cargo.
3) Tanking ability.
Both can sig tank and speed tank decently, a venture has +2 warp core stab while the prospect easly have twice the EHP of the venture. If you orbit gas clouds, it's very hard to get surprised, as the clouds have something like 75 km of radius and if you get surprised it's a stealth bomber. You are dead in both ways.
4) Cloaking, or lack of thereof
I found the fact of having the cloak to be marginal in my choices of ship, it's ofc nice to be able to cloak the entire fleet, from the scout to the mining ship, but not a dealbreaker. Cloak saved me a couple of times, but considering that most of the times you are uncloaked harvesting gas / ore it's not as important as you think it is.
In conclusion, the prospect is not a direct upgrade of the venture, it's a ship that follow the mining theme of the venture, but also it's designed to do different, more advanced things of course of a different price tag too.
Also, for the op, if you want a ship that can mine ore, cloak, use a scan probe launcher, refit in space with a depot and with a huge cargo hold, try the endurance. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
17364
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Posted - 2016.01.19 11:48:50 -
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Leonerd Dice wrote:NOW WHAT ABOUT THE PROSPECT !!??? 
Doesn't it have the ability to fit a covops cloak?
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Leonerd Dice
KCT Joint Venture
1
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Posted - 2016.01.19 12:11:59 -
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Malcanis wrote:Leonerd Dice wrote:NOW WHAT ABOUT THE PROSPECT !!??? Doesn't it have the ability to fit a covops cloak?
Yeah you can't fit it while you have a probe launcher attached unless you take off one harvester. or use a mobile depot which just gets annoying. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
246
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Posted - 2016.01.19 12:49:42 -
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guys, pardon the OP his mind and POV is revolving around mining yield only.
@OP, T2 ships are specialized. specialization is not necessarily an upgrade.
i know it's kinda hard to wrap your head around that difficult concept but please try abit more to understand it, ok?
Just Add Water
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Leonerd Dice
KCT Joint Venture
1
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Posted - 2016.01.19 13:43:07 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:guys, pardon the OP his mind and POV is revolving around mining yield only.
@OP, T2 ships are specialized. specialization is not necessarily an upgrade.
i know it's kinda hard to wrap your head around that difficult concept but please try abit more to understand it, ok?
Why isn't there an upgrade to yield. And a high slot? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
17370
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Posted - 2016.01.19 14:03:14 -
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Leonerd Dice wrote:Malcanis wrote:Leonerd Dice wrote:NOW WHAT ABOUT THE PROSPECT !!??? Doesn't it have the ability to fit a covops cloak? Yeah you can't fit it while you have a probe launcher attached unless you take off one harvester. or use a mobile depot which just gets annoying.
But you can easily refit it in space to add the probe launcher (or, more practically, fly out with the probe launcher fitted and then refit the harvesters when you've bookmarked the gas sites), right?
So it can, as a matter of practical usage, do something that other gas mining ships absolutely cant do, right?
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Snuffed Out
9468
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Posted - 2016.01.19 17:11:03 -
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Leonerd Dice wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:guys, pardon the OP his mind and POV is revolving around mining yield only.
@OP, T2 ships are specialized. specialization is not necessarily an upgrade.
i know it's kinda hard to wrap your head around that difficult concept but please try abit more to understand it, ok? Why isn't there an upgrade to yield. And a high slot?
Because you are getting the ability to cloak along with a bunch of other ancillary benefits.
If you look around at other ships you will see pretty much the same "issue."
Assault Frigates and Interceptors are technically "upgrades" of Tech 1 Frigates. And yet, they are not.
AFs trade speed and agility for extra durability and some damage.
Interceptors trade durability and damage for speed and agility.
Stealth Bombers give up speed, agility, and durability for damage dealing (its only real defense is its ability to cloak and pick and choose engagements).
And none of these ships are designed to be "cost effective" relative to Tech 1 ships or "do everything" in one nice, neat package.
How did you Veterans start?
"Learn how things work. The intricacies, interactions, and hard limits... knowing these things will grant you far more power in the long run."
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Angel T Hunter
Brutor Tribe
39
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Posted - 2016.01.19 17:18:18 -
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tl;dr? |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1584
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Posted - 2016.01.19 17:27:05 -
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Angel T Hunter wrote:tl;dr?
Mad 'cause bad.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Remiel Pollard
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
7432
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Posted - 2016.01.19 18:40:06 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Savnire Jacitu wrote:Venture makes a great pvp ship. A pvp ship for fun. This reminds me that I need to dust off one of my battle ventures... it's been a while. Never successfully scored a good kill with one, but they are fun to try at least.
Your battle venture vs my velator of DOOM! 1v1 at 0 bruh. 
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Remiel Pollard
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
7432
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Posted - 2016.01.19 18:45:47 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Leonerd Dice wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:guys, pardon the OP his mind and POV is revolving around mining yield only.
@OP, T2 ships are specialized. specialization is not necessarily an upgrade.
i know it's kinda hard to wrap your head around that difficult concept but please try abit more to understand it, ok? Why isn't there an upgrade to yield. And a high slot? Because you are getting the ability to cloak along with a bunch of other ancillary benefits. If you look around at other ships you will see pretty much the same "issue." Assault Frigates. Interceptors, and Stealth Bombers are technically "upgrades" of Tech 1 Frigates. And yet, they are not. AFs trade speed and agility for extra durability and some damage. Interceptors trade durability and damage for speed and agility. Stealth Bombers give up speed, agility, and durability for damage dealing (its only real defense is the ability to cloak and pick and choose engagements). And none of these ships are designed to be "cost effective" relative to Tech 1 ships or "do everything" in one nice, neat package.
Pretty much this, I see a lot of people making the mistake of assuming that T2 = 'better'. But you usually sacrifice a lot of versatility for speciality when you go T2. I would argue the only exceptions being assault frigates, HACs and Marauders, generally speaking t2 =/= upgrade. It's more about role focusing.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1079
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Posted - 2016.01.19 19:31:17 -
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Angel T Hunter wrote:tl;dr?
This is another one of these threads where I'd like to eavesdrop on devs discussing player desires.
Remove insurance.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
17377
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Posted - 2016.01.19 20:11:04 -
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Angel T Hunter wrote:tl;dr?
There's not one definitely best ship.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1850
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Posted - 2016.01.19 23:15:04 -
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On a totally unrelated and off topic note - does anyone actually ever use a Prospect to light cynos ? |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
43616
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Posted - 2016.01.20 00:26:12 -
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Leonerd Dice wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:guys, pardon the OP his mind and POV is revolving around mining yield only.
@OP, T2 ships are specialized. specialization is not necessarily an upgrade.
i know it's kinda hard to wrap your head around that difficult concept but please try abit more to understand it, ok? Why isn't there an upgrade to yield. And a high slot?
There is an upgrade to yield in comparison to the venture.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Leonerd Dice
KCT Joint Venture
2
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Posted - 2016.01.20 00:50:04 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Leonerd Dice wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:guys, pardon the OP his mind and POV is revolving around mining yield only.
@OP, T2 ships are specialized. specialization is not necessarily an upgrade.
i know it's kinda hard to wrap your head around that difficult concept but please try abit more to understand it, ok? Why isn't there an upgrade to yield. And a high slot? There is an upgrade to yield in comparison to the venture.
You got me there again. |
Thorian Baalnorn
Bad Influence
I N G L O R I O U S
15
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Posted - 2016.01.20 01:23:27 -
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No one mines for best isk/hr income...except maybe newbs. If your mining its because you enjoy it or you just dont know any better. Mining, like PI and similar professions doesnt compete with blowing stuff up in ISK an hour.
People still do them, mostly because they enjoy the activity not the isk. Mining frigates give them more options and ways to make big rocks into little rocks, make snow cones, and huff gas. The reason you dont see them is because everyone that is using one doesnt want to be seen and thats sort of the purpose. |
Leonerd Dice
KCT Joint Venture
2
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Posted - 2016.01.20 02:25:33 -
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Thorian Baalnorn wrote:No one mines for best isk/hr income...except maybe newbs. If your mining its because you enjoy it or you just dont know any better. Mining, like PI and similar professions doesnt compete with blowing stuff up in ISK an hour.
People still do them, mostly because they enjoy the activity not the isk. Mining frigates give them more options and ways to make big rocks into little rocks, make snow cones, and huff gas. The reason you dont see them is because everyone that is using one doesnt want to be seen and thats sort of the purpose.
How am I supposed to enjoy the Prospect When I can't even have it cloaked? |
Sevchenko Valens
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2016.01.20 03:16:38 -
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Leonerd Dice wrote:
How am I supposed to enjoy the Prospect When I can't even have it cloaked?
You can put a cloak on it, you won't be able to do anything but you can still do it. |
Leonerd Dice
KCT Joint Venture
2
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Posted - 2016.01.20 03:19:25 -
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Sevchenko Valens wrote:Leonerd Dice wrote:
How am I supposed to enjoy the Prospect When I can't even have it cloaked?
You can put a cloak on it, you won't be able to do anything but you can still do it.
My bad I was wrong again.
 "Stupid Stupid."
I was dead wrong too. I said you couldn't fit a claok. And you actually can fit a cloack. 100% wrong. |
Paranoid Loyd
8219
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Posted - 2016.01.20 03:26:10 -
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How is this a 5 page thread?
If any of you haven't had the pleasure of viewing the link in my sig, now is the time. 
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Remiel Pollard
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
7434
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Posted - 2016.01.20 03:29:51 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:How is this a 5 page thread? If any of you haven't had the pleasure of viewing the link in my sig, now is the time.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Pet CONCORD.
OMG, my sides.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1605
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Posted - 2016.01.20 03:37:23 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:How is this a 5 page thread? If any of you haven't had the pleasure of viewing the link in my sig, now is the time. HAHAHAHAHA!!! Pet CONCORD. OMG, my sides.
Now just turn it on its side and make it ******* vertical.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
469
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Posted - 2016.01.20 03:59:49 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:On a totally unrelated and off topic note - does anyone actually ever use a Prospect to light cynos ?
It's certainly been known to happen. a quick search of your favourite killboard for "Covert Cynosural Field Generator" will start. Generally fit with probes, scram/web and a hull tank. CPU is very tight.
Sevchenko Valens wrote:Leonerd Dice wrote:
How am I supposed to enjoy the Prospect When I can't even have it cloaked?
You can put a cloak on it, you won't be able to do anything but you can still do it.
not quite.
you can warp while cloaked.
some capsuleers are of the opinion that this is kind of a big deal, and a rather useful thing to be able to do.
others, not so much.
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Snuffed Out
9469
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Posted - 2016.01.20 04:03:15 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:How is this a 5 page thread? If any of you haven't had the pleasure of viewing the link in my sig, now is the time. HAHAHAHAHA!!! Pet CONCORD. OMG, my sides.
Hehe... glad you enjoyed it.
You might also enjoy this one: Trucker-Impel
@ Loyd... use this version of it. The one you linked has a typo in it.
http://i.imgur.com/m3uEfHq.png
How did you Veterans start?
"Learn how things work. The intricacies, interactions, and hard limits... knowing these things will grant you far more power in the long run."
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Remiel Pollard
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
7435
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Posted - 2016.01.20 05:05:38 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:How is this a 5 page thread? If any of you haven't had the pleasure of viewing the link in my sig, now is the time. HAHAHAHAHA!!! Pet CONCORD. OMG, my sides. Hehe... glad you enjoyed it. You might also enjoy this one: Trucker-Impel@ Loyd... use this version of it. The one you linked has a typo in it. http://i.imgur.com/m3uEfHq.png
That's awesome because it's pretty much how I fly my Impel on my alt. "outta the way, boys. you're all gonna get ganked anyway so might as well just self destruct noaw."
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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