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Cerwyn Taraman Minmatar Phoenix Tech Industries Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2007.01.26 21:19:00 - [1] Not sure how many read Slashdot on here but just saw this VERY interesting story: http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/26/2026257 Basically eBay has decided to take the policy of de-listing all virtual goods sales (gold, isk, items etc) since the legality of selling other's IPO is very nebulous. Pretty interesting stuff if they actually follow through with the promised bans of repeat offenders. This perhaps doesn't have quite as much relevance here since the sanctioned way of getting isk is to buy a GTC and then sell it on the Sell forums (that discussion is best left to existing threads). Just thought i'd start a discussion about eBay's new policy and how it might positively/negatively impact EVE. Cerwyn
Tek'a Rain Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.26 21:34:00 - [2] link for lazy: Linkage and this might belong over in EOTE
Omega Vistage	Posted - 2007.01.27 00:01:00 - [3] I predict the cost of goods will drop now that every noob won't be billionaires...
Alexi Borizkova Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2007.01.27 00:04:00 - [4] Originally by: Omega Vistage I predict the cost of goods will drop now that every noob won't be billionaires... Because it takes a vet to buy and sell GTC?
Shaemell Buttleson Darwin With Attitude	Posted - 2007.01.27 00:09:00 - [5] Originally by: Alexi Borizkova Originally by: Omega Vistage I predict the cost of goods will drop now that every noob won't be billionaires... Because it takes a vet to buy and sell GTC? Exactly, with PPL willing to pay RL money to get ahead in the game just expect more GTC's to be sold! Not wanting to derail this thread I will never understand why this was eve allowed.
ChironV Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.27 00:24:00 - [6] Originally by: Shaemell Buttleson Originally by: Alexi Borizkova Originally by: Omega Vistage I predict the cost of goods will drop now that every noob won't be billionaires... Because it takes a vet to buy and sell GTC? Exactly, with PPL willing to pay RL money to get ahead in the game just expect more GTC's to be sold! Not wanting to derail this thread I will never understand why this was eve allowed. I would rather someone give their money to CCP for isk than some macro mining sweatshop owner. ________________________________________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion,
Kolatha	Posted - 2007.01.27 03:00:00 - [7] Honestly, this move won't do a thing about the sales of virtual goods. All that will happen is you will see a mass of entries along the lines of "Buy this week old sandwich and get a megasuperiwinbutton Sword for free". Since the virtual goods (ISK, gold or megaiwin swords) are now offered as "promotional incentive" for buying otherwise worthless junk there isn't going to be all that much ebay can do about it.
Altaree Gallente Red Frog Investments Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.27 13:00:00 - [8] Ebay can do what ever it likes. All they need to do is change a user agreement.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2007.01.27 15:08:00 - [9] the trouble is the biggest offenders arent even with ebay.
pass lake	Posted - 2007.01.27 16:09:00 - [10] I suspect that noobs are buying isk on ebay, so removing this source of isk should be deflationary for lower priced ships/equipment that noobs would be buying. Less money chasing the same number of goods should make the items increase in price. Of course there are lots of variables. This assumes noobs buy low priced stuff and manufacturing output stays the same.
Menkaure Amarr Vanitas Corp.	Posted - 2007.01.27 17:27:00 - [11] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker the trouble is the biggest offenders arent even with ebay. Character sales certainly are. No more "meh i've quit eve, ill stick my char on ebay" mentality. Although im sure goldselling sites and stuff will be quick to fill in the void ebay has left.
Nir The Doldrums	Posted - 2007.01.27 21:46:00 - [12] Its a nice gesture, but I'm certain we won't see one less ice macrominer/farmer because of it.
Edgars Sults LFC Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.27 22:47:00 - [13] GTC prices falling! Woohoo! More gametime for me.
Lt Widowmaker Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.28 00:14:00 - [14] Edited by: Lt Widowmaker on 28/01/2007 00:11:27 Well, lets ask the people who do it, So AAA/RA were will you sale your goods at how that your money maker is gone... OH NOES!!! This is what I think will happen, AAA/RA will lose about 80% of the member bases because they need to start getting real jobs.. LV takes over ALL of AAA/RA space, rents the space out. BOB will also lose about 50% of there members do to having to find a real job, D2 kills bob and moves south, Razer takes over all D2 space, or gets invited down south, FE (the alliance), will take over all the left over space up noth.. With in, 2 months price of mins will grow back to morn due to a lot of the nigh end mirco miners are gone due to they lost there job (ebay selling isk).. :) I think this is a good thing....
Crystal Girl	Posted - 2007.01.28 01:36:00 - [15] Someone else picks up where eBay left off. IGE is a monster already anyways.
Ben Derindar KelBen Productions	Posted - 2007.01.28 02:59:00 - [16] Nice gesture, though too little too late. /Ben How to fix Eve
Lt Widowmaker Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.28 04:07:00 - [17] Edited by: Lt Widowmaker on 28/01/2007 04:05:57 IGE is dread also, as some may know some may not, but they do 100% of there sales through a ebay account('s).. Now that e-bay is no longer doing VGC sales, they will closed also. CCP Keep this up please, drive all them ******* away that play this game for a living and not for fun.. Bring life back in to eve. Good work, I'm sure everyone who plays this game for fun, is very happy right now.
Allen Deckard Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.01.28 16:13:00 - [18] A serious question comes to mind. How much of the eve economy has been built around the macro miners? It's not like they are new to the game. They been here since long before I started in 04. How many of the game mechanics have been adjusted around these people? Everything from mineral requirements to mining yields and asteroid repopulations have been adjusted either on purpose with these guys in mind or adjusted because they exist without the word macro in mind. Another question just exactly how many of the people here will fill their shoes to mine the trit needed to keep the wheels turning? Or will we all just pay 4.2 or so for trit by recycling npc passive targeters. Just currious I dont support macro miners in any way shape or form have no desire to sell anything on ebay and have never bought anything. But how much of the game has been unconsiously woven around these properties. Kentucky where the goats roam and the rednecks run free
Soulis Slacker Industries	Posted - 2007.01.28 16:17:00 - [19] about time tbh Oh Noes!!!11 We Only Role Play Hetrosexuals!!
0raven0 Independent Fleet O X I D E	Posted - 2007.01.29 00:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Lt Widowmaker Edited by: Lt Widowmaker on 28/01/2007 00:11:27 Well, lets ask the people who do it, So AAA/RA were will you sale your goods at how that your money maker is gone... OH NOES!!! This is what I think will happen, AAA/RA will lose about 80% of the member bases because they need to start getting real jobs.. LV takes over ALL of AAA/RA space, rents the space out. BOB will also lose about 50% of there members do to having to find a real job, D2 kills bob and moves south, Razer takes over all D2 space, or gets invited down south, FE (the alliance), will take over all the left over space up noth.. With in, 2 months price of mins will grow back to morn due to a lot of the nigh end mirco miners are gone due to they lost there job (ebay selling isk).. :) I think this is a good thing.... dang, looks like ebay and D2 were planning this thing from the start! They let ebay build up BoB's economy and then right when its time for the D2-BoB war ebay pulls the mat out from under BoB's feet. HOORAY!! BOBS GANNA DIE! if only...
0raven0 Independent Fleet O X I D E	Posted - 2007.01.29 00:05:00 - [21] THIS IS SO EXCITING!! Kinda like when a new patch is announced but you don't know whats ganna be in it, you can only specualate. I can't wait to see what happens when all the macro miners are gone! /me goes to train mining skills

kieron	Posted - 2007.01.29 23:07:00 - [22] It will be interesting to see the effect this policy enforcement (not change, it has been Ebay's policy for a very long time) will have on RMT vendors. Will it put all the RMT vendors out of business, or will this get rid of the 'Mom & Pop' RMT shops and push the buyers into doing business with the big sites? Probably somewhere in between. We can only do so much though. For RMT to completely stop, it will take the gaming community as a whole to stop purchasing items and currency for real cash. We will continue to do our part, enforce the EULA and deal with buyers and sellers as we find them. The MMOG community needs to do their part by not buying or selling in-game items, boycotting sites that sell items or RMT advertising, or link to those sites and simply take a stand. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online

Mikal Drey Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.29 23:17:00 - [23] hey hey although they have said they are going to delist virtual property there is still a load of items still up for sale. I'll believe it when i see it.
exozone Gallente Oldtimers INC	Posted - 2007.01.29 23:27:00 - [24] Edited by: exozone on 29/01/2007 23:24:36 thats a good point kieron, it's actually more the buyers fault than the sellers, if theres a market, people will buy. We need to out the buyers than the sellers. If they can't buy, the sellers dry up, hence, less way's to get isk this way Reguards, Exo edit: spelling
Nadarius Chrome Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.29 23:33:00 - [25] I've never been overly worried about people buying ISK. If I was, I wouldn't buy GTC with ISK as it's pretty much the same thing. Newbs buying a bigger ship will only lose it due to not having the skills to support it. Experienced PvP'ers who simply don't want to grind PvE for funds will just spend more of their time doing what they want. I do hope it kicks the macrominers in the gut, but I doubt it will. I imagine most are contracted directly to reselling websites rather than flogging their junk through ebay. Dealing direct with the customer would be far too much of a hassle. As it stands, CCP could probably stand to do more to combat macroers directly. I imagine flagging/tracking accounts with large outflow of cash, or any number of other things. Of course, they may already be doing this behind the scenes.
Nero Scuro Caldari Jejaikaro Corporation	Posted - 2007.01.30 00:01:00 - [26] Originally by: kieron It will be interesting to see the effect this policy enforcement (not change, it has been Ebay's policy for a very long time) will have on RMT vendors. Will it put all the RMT vendors out of business, or will this get rid of the 'Mom & Pop' RMT shops and push the buyers into doing business with the big sites? Probably somewhere in between. We can only do so much though. For RMT to completely stop, it will take the gaming community as a whole to stop purchasing items and currency for real cash. We will continue to do our part, enforce the EULA and deal with buyers and sellers as we find them. The MMOG community needs to do their part by not buying or selling in-game items, boycotting sites that sell items or RMT advertising, or link to those sites and simply take a stand. Damn right! I firmly believe that if the community pitches in as a whole and gets together, enforces these rules themselves and shuns the ISK sellers then we can have an EVE where the only way to buy ISK with cash is off CCP through GTCs. Oh, wait. ___ The world isn't going to end; we're not that lucky...

kieron	Posted - 2007.01.30 01:14:00 - [27] Originally by: Nero Scuro Damn right! I firmly believe that if the community pitches in as a whole and gets together, enforces these rules themselves and shuns the ISK sellers then we can have an EVE where the only way to buy ISK with cash is off CCP through GTCs. This will soon change. Unfortunately, I cannot go further into the forthcoming changes at this time. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online

FuzzBuzz Caldari Templars of Space CORE.	Posted - 2007.01.30 02:04:00 - [28] Edited by: FuzzBuzz on 30/01/2007 02:03:33 so no more gtc for isk?
Jodie Amille Sadist Faction	Posted - 2007.01.30 02:14:00 - [29] Originally by: kieron Originally by: Nero Scuro Damn right! I firmly believe that if the community pitches in as a whole and gets together, enforces these rules themselves and shuns the ISK sellers then we can have an EVE where the only way to buy ISK with cash is off CCP through GTCs. This will soon change. Unfortunately, I cannot go further into the forthcoming changes at this time. I really hope that doesn't mean you're stopping the GTC's for ISK trade. If it does, I guess I'm going to be letting my account run out I really shouldn't even be paying for my main right now, there's no way I can afford to run my second account till someone in my little town is hiring again It's another case of a few ruining it for those of us that need it and use it as it's meant to be. ------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 02:15:00 - [30] Originally by: kieron Originally by: Nero Scuro Damn right! I firmly believe that if the community pitches in as a whole and gets together, enforces these rules themselves and shuns the ISK sellers then we can have an EVE where the only way to buy ISK with cash is off CCP through GTCs. This will soon change. Unfortunately, I cannot go further into the forthcoming changes at this time. That is perhaps the best news I've heard so far this year. If you were near me (and not merely on the other end of some internets) I would probably engage you in a manly bear hug -----------------------------------------------

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