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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.01.27 20:52:58 -
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Lyma Sarum wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Takari wrote:
Possible bad idea incoming:
Stabilizing Jets. Your ship cannot be moved unless bumped by a combined mass greater than a percentage of your ships mass (increasing percentage for meta or tech II variants?), but in exchange it increases your align time by 20% (Or Decreases cargo capacity by 10% two possible modules? )
This way if you're caught by the entire gank fleet, you're still not going anywhere but if one guy catches you, he's about to be brick walled?
If they are good enough to prevent a MWD mach from bumping a freighter (battleship mass * MWD mass bonus) then they will prevent any capital ship from ever being meaningfully bumped unless you cyno/jump something "inside" of it. This could generate some issue. Binary effect of modules are also rarely really liked like how stabs are just a pass/fail mechanic for being pointed. I guess the easy solution, if ever applied this way, is : "Stabilizing Jets - Can only be fitted in Freighters and Industrials."
The special: I really, really made some bad decisions/actions and now I need a get out of fail free card then?
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.01.27 20:54:23 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Teckos Pech wrote: Hell, using a MWD just while aligning will likely make bumping that much more difficult even if it extends your align time...hitting a fast moving target is harder than a slow lumbering target.
While I absolutely agree with the rest, I'll point out that a good enough bumper makes this untrue. I've seen people knock MWD'ing Skiffs halfway across a grid pretty consistently.
So if you want to be a pro-bumper...practice on MWDing skiffs.
Good to know.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:01:37 -
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KickAss Tivianne wrote: 1st - I know the act of bumping is not a reason an exploit, however the people who do the bumping can and often do (in High sec) bump someone for 30-60 minutes or more!!
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2nd - Looting. When the gankers did get a target they would have to have a freighter loot it if it was of value. They timed things down to get away before people could lock them. This was fair.
You know the juxtaposition of these two is simply astonishing to me as the second part negates the first part.
Apparently it did not dawn on the OP that the gankers have somehow figured out a magical way of avoiding bumping.
Seems to me we are left with two conclusions:
1.People getting bumped in freighters are inept at playing the game. 2.People getting bumped were foolish and reckless and being bumped then ganked is the result of being foolish and reckless.
Funny how the supporters never show up and defend people being foolish and reckless in other areas. I think jumping my JF around should come with a 5 minute immunity timer so that way I can be protected for being a dumb. Ratting in a carrier should come with a 400km protection zone so that any ship warping to the anomaly I am in should have to burn the remaining 400km. And I demand that all my ships in NS get a warp bubble immunity. In fact, we should just remove bubbles entirely. And I want the a button in game so that when ratting if I need to go AFK I can press the button and my ship becomes completely invulnerable except to the ratsGǪwhich of course IGÇÖve thoroughly tanked my ship against.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:33:28 -
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Lyma Sarum wrote:Interesting post, but it seems that instead of offering some positive criticism, there are people that prefer to yell "please don't touch my cookie". I get it. If I was making a profit out of ganking I guess I would say the same.
So my main concern is this: I started EVE very recently (about 1month) and I was interested in going the haulers way until I got enough ISK to start an industry/research/hauling corp. I quickly found out that in order to haul effectively I need 1 or 2 extra accounts (scouts,webbers) or some people I will always drag around depriving them off their fun and all of this just to have a slim chance of avoiding a group of multi accounts that are having their fun. Yes it really seems they take advantage of game mechanics because they are kind of broken/obsolete (?) but still the fact remains. First, welcome to the game. It's probably worth reading back through the million other threads on this issue before concluding that people prefer to yell "please don't touch my cookie".
The same people that are frustrated that this same thing is coming up yet again have offered constructive criticism in the past, provided good advice to help haulers and pointed out all the flaws and exploits of suggestions, only to be ignored and told they are lying. There's only so many times you can discuss something reasonably while being accused of being a bully, sociopath or equivalent to a RL rapist, before you get frustrated and begin to treat others the same way you are treated.
So, don't be too harsh on the critics here. The hard line has developed because they've been continually attacked over the years.
In relation to your point about needing multiple accounts to counter multiple accounts, CCP banned input multiplexing late last year, making coordinated multiboxing attacks more difficult, however Eve has always been a game where players can have multiple characters logged in at the same time.
A couple of years ago there was a tournament where 1 guy ran a full team of 8 characters by multiboxing (New Eden Open II). He lost every match and was eliminated at the first stage. He struggled because multiboxing, no matter how good you are, is no match for multiple players working together.
So it's not necessary to have multiple accounts if you don't want. It's more enjoyable (for most people) and much more effective to make friends and all work together. That could even be a shared purpose that would help get your Corp aspirations off the ground.
Lyma Sarum wrote:Can I play this game with one account without paying for other people to play? Because from where I am looking at it, it seems I cannot. Absolutely you can and the figures from CCP suggest that many people do.
From figures published by CCP Quant last year, two-thirds of all players have only 1 account, which by definition means they can only have 1 character online at a time:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xRb5GQzAaoA/VejxJFChpBI/AAAAAAAAANE/YS4DBbWqJ2M/s1600/250%2B%25233.png
86% of all players have 2 or less accounts, 94% have 3 or less and by the time you get to 97% of the player base, it's 4 or less accounts. The idea of large multiboxing gank fleets isn't the normal situation. They are the outlying cases. The total average accounts per player is only 1.5 across the player base and that has been stable for more than a decade:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bPYAEHB9LeY/VemKSoWiXSI/AAAAAAAAANc/N03vaX3zzMo/s1600/250%2B%25231.png
So absolutely you can play the game with one account. Most players do and the idea of an army of alts is one of those things we all assume is true, but when you look at the actual data, it turns out to be a false belief.
Lyma Sarum wrote:There is 0 (zero) balance when it comes to a new player coming in and like me wants to haul. Even if I am not afk what stops a multigank and bumper from getting me? And I am not asking for blah blah if this and that info. I am asking about MY options as a solo new hauler when while traveling I start getting bumped and a gank is soon incoming. As a new player, the best thing you can do is find an experienced player and learn from them.
Hauling doesn't have to be less safe for you just because you are new. It will be less safe because you don't yet have an in depth knowledge of the game. There's the gap you need to fill. Knowledge, not safety. Once you have the knowledge, you can be as safe as any veteran.
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Bunnyhopping days
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:59:25 -
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Teckos Pech wrote: rabble rabble
Funny how you tend to equate bumping with ganking. Take away bumping and freighter ganking is still 100% viable, just not so easy mode as it is right now. |
Mag's
Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance
21025
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Posted - 2016.01.27 22:25:36 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:Teckos Pech wrote: rabble rabble Funny how you tend to equate bumping with ganking. Take away bumping and freighter ganking is still 100% viable, just not so easy mode as it is right now. I have used the same freighter and full T2 cargo fit BR since both were introduced into the game. Used through systems including lowsec. In other words. It's never been easy mode to catch me.
If you think some freighter kills are to easy mode right now, then may I suggest you help those players play the game correctly and stop being easy kills.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2016.01.27 23:26:36 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:Teckos Pech wrote: rabble rabble Funny how you tend to equate bumping with ganking. Take away bumping and freighter ganking is still 100% viable, just not so easy mode as it is right now.
And whos fault is that? When it's the haulers that determine how easy and profitable they themselves are to gank.
Call it easy mode as much as you want, but it's still more effort than haulers put into their playstyle and its defense.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.01.27 23:39:51 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Lyma Sarum wrote:There is 0 (zero) balance when it comes to a new player coming in and like me wants to haul. Even if I am not afk what stops a multigank and bumper from getting me? And I am not asking for blah blah if this and that info. I am asking about MY options as a solo new hauler when while traveling I start getting bumped and a gank is soon incoming. As a new player, the best thing you can do is find an experienced player and learn from them. Hauling doesn't have to be less safe for you just because you are new. It will be less safe because you don't yet have an in depth knowledge of the game. There's the gap you need to fill. Knowledge, not safety. Once you have the knowledge, you can be as safe as any veteran.
What Scipio said. You are going to die in this game. Just accept it and more importantly learn from it. After you get killed ask yourself, GÇ£What could I have done differently to have avoided dying?GÇ¥ If you canGÇÖt answer the question, ask other players in the game you associate with and see if they know. OrGǪand while this may sound weird, e-mail one or some of the guys who killed you. If you are decent/polite about it they might actually give you some advice, but donGÇÖt be surprised if they donGÇÖt.
You have a steep learning curve ahead of you, but it can be a fun one at the same time. Just keep looking at each death as a learning experience.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.01.27 23:50:03 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:Teckos Pech wrote: rabble rabble Funny how you tend to equate bumping with ganking. Take away bumping and freighter ganking is still 100% viable, just not so easy mode as it is right now.
You know that thing is a two way street....right?
AFK, autopiloting overloaded freighter going through a heavily traversed choke point system...talk about easy mode.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
15954
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Posted - 2016.01.27 23:53:10 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:Teckos Pech wrote: rabble rabble Funny how you tend to equate bumping with ganking. Take away bumping and freighter ganking is still 100% viable, just not so easy mode as it is right now. You know that thing is a two way street....right? AFK, autopiloting overloaded freighter going through a heavily traversed choke point system...talk about easy mode.
Especially from a self professed "white knight" (and by the way, why would anyone ever admit to being such a thing?) who spends all their time defending the two lowest common denominators in the entire MMO industry. Mining, and hauling.
You know, two playstyles with about ten clicks per hour of activity.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.01.28 00:00:58 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:Teckos Pech wrote: rabble rabble Funny how you tend to equate bumping with ganking. Take away bumping and freighter ganking is still 100% viable, just not so easy mode as it is right now. You know that thing is a two way street....right? AFK, autopiloting overloaded freighter going through a heavily traversed choke point system...talk about easy mode. Especially from a self professed "white knight" (and by the way, why would anyone ever admit to being such a thing?) who spends all their time defending the two lowest common denominators in the entire MMO industry. Mining, and hauling. You know, two playstyles with about ten clicks per hour of activity.
Hey now, IGÇÖve been known to mine on occasionGǪin a skiff with as heavy a tank as I can put on it. I go with the model of how to not be eaten by a bearGǪI donGÇÖt have to run faster than the bear, just faster than the other guy. I figure if I sacrifice mining yield in favor of tankGǪit will be other guy who didnGÇÖt that will get GÇ£eatenGÇ¥ and IGÇÖll scoot on off the station in the mean time.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2016.01.28 00:05:26 -
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Teckos Pech wrote: Hey now, IGÇÖve been known to mine on occasionGǪin a skiff with as heavy a tank as I can put on it. I go with the model of how to not be eaten by a bearGǪI donGÇÖt have to run faster than the bear, just faster than the other guy. I figure if I sacrifice mining yield in favor of tankGǪit will be other guy who didnGÇÖt that will get GÇ£eatenGÇ¥ and IGÇÖll scoot on off the station in the mean time.
Yeah, and I'm actually an expert hauler, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize the gameplay for what it is.
Without the threat of other players to drive more action on my part, it would be the easiest gameplay out there.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Bunnyhopping days
138
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Posted - 2016.01.28 00:30:01 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: ... self professed "white knight"... defending ... Mining, and hauling. Buddy, give me some of that stuff you're having.
Teckos Pech wrote:AFK, autopiloting overloaded freighter going through a heavily traversed choke point system...talk about easy mode. Roll Again, take away bumping, ganking such freighters is still as viable as ever. Where's the problem?
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Mag's
Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance
21028
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Posted - 2016.01.28 02:05:10 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:AFK, autopiloting overloaded freighter going through a heavily traversed choke point system...talk about easy mode. Roll Again, take away bumping, ganking such freighters is still as viable as ever. Where's the problem? Again, use a scout and get webbed and end up almost guaranteed to haul without getting killed. If you can't use a scout or no friends are available, then use a BR. Where's the problem?
But let me guess, just one more nerf and it will be balanced?
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2016.01.28 02:13:08 -
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The problems are:
- Ganking is rare enough as it is. If anything we should be turning back some nerfs to breathe some life back into the hauling profession. This would reward good pilots over bad.
- The only reason you want bumping to go is to allow yourself to be lazy or because you have a hatred for the ganking playstyle. No good argument has been made. Ever.
- There has been no proposal made to end bumping for ganks that does not ruin the game in other areas.
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John E Normus
New Order Logistics CODE.
707
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Posted - 2016.01.28 02:50:11 -
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Buy a 10 million isk permit from your nearest New Order agent, obey the Code and enjoy one year of bump and gank free game play!
I strongly recommend you put a message of support for James 315, the Supreme Protector and Saviour of Highsec, in your bio.
Good talk, fly safe!
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KickAss Tivianne
Galactic Special Operations Division Silent Infinity
13
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Posted - 2016.01.28 03:40:08 -
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John E Normus wrote:Buy a 10 million isk permit from your nearest New Order agent, obey the Code and enjoy one year of bump and gank free game play!
I strongly recommend you put a message of support for James 315, the Supreme Protector and Saviour of Highsec, in your bio.
Good talk, fly safe!
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.01.28 03:46:51 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: ... self professed "white knight"... defending ... Mining, and hauling. Buddy, give me some of that stuff you're having. Teckos Pech wrote:AFK, autopiloting overloaded freighter going through a heavily traversed choke point system...talk about easy mode. Roll Again, take away bumping, ganking such freighters is still as viable as ever. Where's the problem?
Dammit Mag's beat me too it.
Just because ganking freighters is made easy by players who can't take even the most basic precautions (a scout in a noob ship), doesn't mean we should make it even easier to be bad and avoid the potential repercussions.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.01.28 03:48:18 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:The problems are:
- Ganking is rare enough as it is. If anything we should be turning back some nerfs to breathe some life back into the hauling profession. This would reward good pilots over bad.
- The only reason you want bumping to go is to allow yourself to be lazy or because you have a hatred for the ganking playstyle. No good argument has been made. Ever.
- There has been no proposal made to end bumping for ganks that does not ruin the game in other areas.
Agreed. There are in game mechanics to avoid ganking the biggest issue with these mechanics is that they require team work...but oh look...the gankers use team work.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.01.28 03:49:21 -
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KickAss Tivianne wrote:John E Normus wrote:Buy a 10 million isk permit from your nearest New Order agent, obey the Code and enjoy one year of bump and gank free game play!
I strongly recommend you put a message of support for James 315, the Supreme Protector and Saviour of Highsec, in your bio.
Good talk, fly safe!
Thanks for highlighting another problem! But that's another thread. :)
He is not the problem. You are. You are your own problem. Might want to look to that.
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Top Guac
Mexican Avacado Syndicate
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Posted - 2016.01.28 06:55:57 -
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KickAss Tivianne wrote:John E Normus wrote:Buy a 10 million isk permit from your nearest New Order agent, ... Thanks for highlighting another problem! But that's another thread. :) Lack of inflation? |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
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Posted - 2016.01.28 07:42:17 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:- The only reason you want bumping to go is to allow yourself to be lazy or because you have a hatred for the ganking playstyle. No good argument has been made. Ever.
- There has been no proposal made to end bumping for ganks that does not ruin the game in other areas. This is the strange thing with these proposals. Posters, like our friend here and the OP, are so fixated on bumping they are oblivious to the effects a change to bumping would have on the rest of the game. It's like their anger of specific groups, or gankers in general, blinds them to rational thought and, like a dog that won't let go of a bone, refuse to give up the notion that something must be wrong with the mechanic. The thing is, capital ships are very much intended to be slow, lumbering and vulnerable to smaller ships and more technically, it is likely impossible to change the core of the game physics that enable bumping.
Now I am sure CCP can come up with some change that would specifically help freighters in highsec by changing some stats and/or adding a new module/ship/deployable, but even if CCP did move on this front, the end result would be the same. It's like these posters are angry citizens, protesting in front of the local government office to close a road to their village because they don't like all the tourists and want to be left alone. But the government is not going to close the road because it is important for everyone, and even if they do decide there is something wrong with that specific road and close it, they are going to build a brand-new highway to that village that perhaps will bring even more tourists. Same with bumping, if CCP makes a change it will be to replace it with another method to efficiently attack freighters in highsec, not just remove the mechanic wholesale.
Now I am pontificating, but I think it is this palpable anger that gives many in the anti-ganking community an off-putting stench which repels most players from sticking with them long term. When your game play is solely motivated by spite and the desire to hurt players you don't like for some reason, it is hard to find much fun in playing this game. Don't get me wrong, I think one of the great things about Eve is the ability to induce these emotions, but everyone should remember this is still just a video game you are suppose to be playing for fun.
But now I am all off-topic. Bumping, or an equivalent mechanic, is needed to make hauling a worthwhile profession and to balance the immense cargo capacity of freighters. Freighters are already piloted with near safety by professional haulers. There is no need for a change. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
15962
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Posted - 2016.01.28 14:23:32 -
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Black Pedro wrote: Now I am pontificating, but I think it is this palpable anger that gives many in the anti-ganking community an off-putting stench which repels most players from sticking with them long term. When your game play is solely motivated by spite and the desire to hurt players you don't like for some reason, it is hard to find much fun in playing this game.
It's a theory I've had for some time. Any philosophy or movement that defines itself solely in opposition to something else, without any standing merits of it's own, is an inherently toxic one.
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KickAss Tivianne
Galactic Special Operations Division Silent Infinity
13
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Posted - 2016.01.28 16:19:50 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:KickAss Tivianne wrote:John E Normus wrote:Buy a 10 million isk permit from your nearest New Order agent, obey the Code and enjoy one year of bump and gank free game play!
I strongly recommend you put a message of support for James 315, the Supreme Protector and Saviour of Highsec, in your bio.
Good talk, fly safe!
Thanks for highlighting another problem! But that's another thread. :) He is not the problem. You are. You are your own problem. Might want to look to that.
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Bunnyhopping days
138
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Posted - 2016.01.28 18:58:01 -
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Gotta love the quasi-philosophical lamentations from some of these guys, however this is a gem I've decided to fix for the poster.
Black Pedro wrote: Now I am pontificating, but I think it is this palpable anger that gives many in the ganking community an off-putting stench which repels most players from sticking with them long term. When your game play is solely motivated by spite and the desire to hurt players you don't like for some reason, it is hard to find much fun in playing this game. Don't get me wrong, I think one of the great things about Eve is the ability to induce these emotions, but everyone should remember this is still just a video game you are suppose to be playing for fun.
Now it actually makes sense :)
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
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Posted - 2016.01.28 19:19:01 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:Gotta love the quasi-philosophical lamentations from some of these guys, however this is a gem I've decided to fix for the poster. Black Pedro wrote: Now I am pontificating, but I think it is this palpable anger that gives many in the ganking community an off-putting stench which repels most players from sticking with them long term. When your game play is solely motivated by spite and the desire to hurt players you don't like for some reason, it is hard to find much fun in playing this game. Don't get me wrong, I think one of the great things about Eve is the ability to induce these emotions, but everyone should remember this is still just a video game you are suppose to be playing for fun. Now it actually makes sense :) "I know you are but what I am?" Cute.
You can call gankers many things but they always seem to be having fun. Not sure you can say the same about anti-ganking - in fact that channel is often full of... angst. But whatever, this is all off topic. OP, please forgive my musings. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
15966
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Posted - 2016.01.28 19:21:23 -
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Black Pedro wrote: "I know you are but what I am?" Cute.
You can call gankers many things but they always seem to be having fun. Not sure you can say the same about anti-ganking - in fact that channel is often full of... angst. But whatever, this is all off topic. OP, please forgive my musings.
It's an excellent example of what I was talking about in my earlier post.
"Anti gankers" define themselves entirely by their opposition to something, by how they hate that other people have fun in a way they don't approve of.
It's petty fascism and intellectual tyranny, played out in a videogame.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Bunnyhopping days
138
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Posted - 2016.01.28 20:07:09 -
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In terms of fun, games and maturity of discussion, you have two types of folks in this particular thread:
- one which tries to discuss some game mechanics, trying to provide their arguments in a civilized manner, without discussing philosophical or moral implications of ganking as a playstyle. You'll find most of the folks you'd classify as anti-gankers in this thread falling into this category with some of the gankers (usually those not related to code or goons) being reasonable or at least civilised as well.
- the other which bitterly refuses to consider anything the opposing side is saying without providing any better argument aside from "it is working as intended", "emergent gameplay" etc, while - at the same time, throwing basically personal-level insults at those opposing their views. Quasi-intellectualism aside (and I see some of you have a fetish for that), your insults are on elementary-school level. I mean, anti-gankers stink? Seriously?? I do hope you're like 13 years old, otherwise that is really sad.
As for those arguments stating that this is intended way of the game, let me remind you that this game is a work in progress and that it has only been a year or so that CCP finally started looking at and fixing some of the old and basically broken aspects of the game. Skynetting, garage cynoing, bumping inside force fields, boomerang ganks... all of those things used to be the 'norm' but are gone nowadays. Perhaps you think that bumping in general and bumping freighters in particular should stay the way it is forever but my money is on you getting a nasty surprise sooner then you hope.
What I personally find amusing is the amount of toxicitiy and bitterness that comes from you two in particular (Kaarous and Pedro). It is as if you've defined YOUR gameplay on hating a specific section of this game's population and if the tools for your hate were to be changed you'd lose your purpose. I'm not saying it is like that but you certainly come across 'feeling' like that. Also, the "spite and desire to hurt players you don't like for some reason" are defining characteristics of code/goonies. Y'know, 'since my divorce'... |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2016.01.28 20:14:53 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:It is as if you've defined YOUR gameplay on hating a specific section of this game's population and if the tools for your hate were to be changed you'd lose your purpose.
Note several things in this sentence.
First and most obvious, the projection. The sheer hubris of a self professed anti ganker trying to claim that anyone else's gameplay is based on hating someone else is simply staggering.
Secondly, the barely hidden snide insinuation that their intent is in fact to nerf the other side out of existence. The carebear here very much does want us to have no "purpose", such are the depths of their hatred of real players.
And last but not least, trying to claim that such a simple thing as bumping and the existence of non consensual PvP itself equate to "tools for your hate". This is a very common carebear tactic, trying to denigrate and degrade opposition to make nerfs seem more palatable. They do this because they know that if they actually expressed what they want, the removal of non consensual PvP and complete safety in highsec so they can mindlessly farm without end, then they would be rejected by all reasonable people. Thus they take a roundabout route, attacking anything that stands against their unjust desires.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Bunnyhopping days
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Posted - 2016.01.28 20:26:27 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:It is as if you've defined YOUR gameplay on hating a specific section of this game's population and if the tools for your hate were to be changed you'd lose your purpose. Note several things in this sentence. First and most obvious, the projection. The sheer hubris of a self professed anti ganker trying to claim that anyone else's gameplay is based on hating someone else is simply staggering. Secondly, the barely hidden snide insinuation that their intent is in fact to nerf the other side out of existence. The carebear here very much does want us to have no "purpose", such are the depths of their hatred of real players. And last but not least, trying to claim that such a simple thing as bumping and the existence of non consensual PvP itself equate to "tools for your hate". This is a very common carebear tactic, trying to denigrate and degrade opposition to make nerfs seem more palatable. They do this because they know that if they actually expressed what they want, the removal of non consensual PvP and complete safety in highsec so they can mindlessly farm without end, then they would be rejected by all reasonable people. Thus they take a roundabout route, attacking anything that stands against their unjust desires.
I thought that trolling is prohibited by forum rules. Or are you taking yourself seriously? |
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