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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2016.01.28 20:33:50 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
I thought that trolling is prohibited by forum rules.
It is, which is why I've been wondering why your posts are still here.
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Bunnyhopping days
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Posted - 2016.01.28 20:35:48 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
I thought that trolling is prohibited by forum rules.
It is, which is why I've been wondering why your posts are still here.
So you are taking yourself seriously. Gosh... |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3015
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Posted - 2016.01.28 20:53:42 -
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Speak for yourself Rha.
Its people speaking against the mechanic of bumping that are most guilty of lying to get their own way, hyperbole and using terms like 'bully'. You more than most are only concerned with spiting gankers than presenting a case against bumping.
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu
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Posted - 2016.01.28 21:14:32 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:Speak for yourself Rha.
Its people speaking against the mechanic of bumping that are most guilty of lying to get their own way, hyperbole and using terms like 'bully'. You more than most are only concerned with spiting gankers than presenting a case against bumping.
Honestly, talking to a brick wall is more productive then trying to prove a point to you guys.
Also, please do prove me wrong and show that you're not making stuff up by finding one instance of me using bumping and bullying in a serious sentence (i.e. me saying that bumping is bullying). |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2016.01.28 21:24:05 -
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You've misread my post.
But when I get home tomorrow I can link several posts where people advocating for the removal of bumping have used such terms and I can link posts from this thread that suggest you are more pre occupied with spiting gankers than balance.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.01.28 21:41:21 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
- the other which bitterly refuses to consider anything the opposing side is saying without providing any better argument aside from "it is working as intended", "emergent gameplay" etc, while - at the same time, throwing basically personal-level insults at those opposing their views.
This is all I get aimed at me every time. Even in this very thread I have listed a number of ways of countering these gankers only to have the anti gank brigade ignore them and continue to rant and spout very easy to expose lies all while tossing insults towards anyone who points out they are wrong.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2016.01.28 21:47:49 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
Honestly, talking to a brick wall is more productive then trying to prove a point to you guys.
That's just it, you don't have a point to begin with.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
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Posted - 2016.01.28 21:51:29 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:As for those arguments stating that this is intended way of the game, let me remind you that this game is a work in progress and that it has only been a year or so that CCP finally started looking at and fixing some of the old and basically broken aspects of the game. Skynetting, garage cynoing, bumping inside force fields, boomerang ganks... all of those things used to be the 'norm' but are gone nowadays. Perhaps you think that bumping in general and bumping freighters in particular should stay the way it is forever but my money is on you getting a nasty surprise sooner then you hope. Bumping may change, but I think it might be you that is in for a surprise if that happens just like when the freighters were rebalanced. Actually, it shouldn't be a surprise since I pointed this out several times now in this thread that bumping is not going to be removed without an equivalent mechanic put in place to make these capital ships vulnerable. If and when they do that, and the same gankers start using this new, hypothetical system and are exploding freighters at the same rate, what part of ganking are you going to latch on to next as "broken" or unbalanced? Or is that the one final change we need to put things back into balance?
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:What I personally find amusing is the amount of toxicitiy and bitterness that comes from you two in particular (Kaarous and Pedro). It is as if you've defined YOUR gameplay on hating a specific section of this game's population and if the tools for your hate were to be changed you'd lose your purpose. I'm not saying it is like that but you certainly come across 'feeling' like that. Also, the "spite and desire to hurt players you don't like for some reason" are defining characteristics of code/goonies. Y'know, 'since my divorce'... Heh, where do you get this stuff? Why would I "hate" any another person for playing a video game for fun, let alone a specific part of this player base that has a one of many made-up space professions? This is a virtual universe where I get to play a villain, preying on the unwary and taking their stuff. CCP sold this game to me on that premise, and more-or-less continues to deliver that PvP sandbox game where no one is safe and I get to be part of that risk.
I may be a little direct with people who constantly come to these forums asking CCP to eliminate my game play (yet again) for their own selfish, or sometimes just ignorant reasons, but I am not bitter, hateful, or insulting towards these misguided souls. And certainly that does not translate into the game where if I am baited or beaten by someone while I am ganking (or otherwise), I give them a 'gf' and get on with playing this video game about space ship violence.
In fact, I have had plenty of pleasant and interesting interactions with many people in this game, including people I have ganked, people who have gotten the drop on me, and otherwise. You are one of the few people I seem to dislike on a personal level largely since you have publicly taken the radical position that I deserve the death threats me and my family have received for playing this video game as a villain. That I do find personally offensive, but that also has nothing to do with the issue at hand which is bumping for which you have not given a single logical reason why it needs to be changed in the face of many valid reasons why no problem exists. I am not even sure what you are trying to accomplish now as all you seem to be doing is accusing people of "bitterness" and making vague ominous statements.
I think we should turn the discussion back to the topic at hand, or this thread is not long for this world. Let me try, how specifically, would the game be made better if freighter pilots did not have to bring a webbing escort along for their safety? How would that be better for hauling game play, and how would that be better for the game play of those that hunt those haulers?
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu
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Posted - 2016.01.28 22:52:14 -
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Black Pedro wrote:You are one of the few people I seem to dislike on a personal level largely since you have publicly taken the radical position that I deserve the death threats me and my family have received for playing this video game as a villain.
Where the hell are you pulling this crap from and what exactly is wrong with you?? 
I have NEVER condoned ANYTHING even close to the disgusting crap you are making up right there, I find anything even close to this to be a sick behavior which is likely indicative of a RL sociopathic disorder/issues and you are making this crap up about me? I haven't said this to many people playing computer games, but you need to step away from that computer screen and get some serious help in RL. |
Lesovyk Mara
Funtime Factory
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Posted - 2016.01.28 23:45:54 -
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Meanwhile, I'll just keep webbing my Freighter pilot into warp and not worry about bumping at all.
I pass through Uedama, Niarja and Madirmilire daily and even when there are Mach's on gate, it's never a problem. The webs are too quick. |
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu
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Posted - 2016.01.28 23:46:53 -
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baltec1 wrote:Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
- the other which bitterly refuses to consider anything the opposing side is saying without providing any better argument aside from "it is working as intended", "emergent gameplay" etc, while - at the same time, throwing basically personal-level insults at those opposing their views.
This is all I get aimed at me every time. Even in this very thread I have listed a number of ways of countering these gankers only to have the anti gank brigade ignore them and continue to rant and spout very easy to expose lies all while tossing insults towards anyone who points out they are wrong.
Well tbh tossing insults is what you did with my post to start with, unless you think that calling someone a "spineless carebear without any understanding of the game" when you're clearly wrong and proven so one post later is not insulting. Maybe I should have responded by calling you a spineless liar, but I think that would be insulting, unless you think that's just stating of the facts like your spineless carebear? Anyway.
The thing is - it seems that these discussions always end up in generalizations and mud slinging with very few people willing to try and step away from their entrenched position and looking at the greater picture. Now, believe it or not, in my posting history on these forums I've really tried to provide very detailed arguments why I think bumping (and some other things about ganking, in particular freighter ganking) is broken but there was very little civil discussion from the other side. I have participated in all imaginable mechanics for getting bumped ffreighters out of a bumping situation and know exactly what it takes in terms of effort to manage to get it out. One thing I've learnd and it is a fact anyone who participated in fleets aimed at saving freighters can tell you - it takes much more effort, skill and luck to get out of the bump LEGALY than it takes to bump. With a good bumper it is extremely hard, with two good bumpers it is impossible. Now, if that is not a broken mechanic, then I really don't know how to define one.
What is more important, this whole time the issue is not whether there are some ways of getting out of the bump, the issue is whether its current use in terms of freighter bumping was intended and if it wasn't, if its acceptable/good for the game. Any comparisons with situations in 'standard' pvp environoments are silly. Noone keeps a capital 'tackled' in lowsec or nullsec by means of bumping for any considerable amount of time, so how can you compare those situations to hisec bumping with a straight face?
One thing that ticks me off is - supporters of bumping quite often talk about risk-consequence nature of eve, lazy gameplay of carebear/miners etc. Well with bumping and fleet hanger looting gankers get minimal risk, minimal consequences, lazy gameplay and all the rewards (in form of loot and/or easy kills). And please don't tell me that the actual bumping and killing is not easy. Yes, it tkes time and organisation to setup gank ship stashes, you need to have enough folks ready to respond to your pings (not an issue with largest coalition in game in reality) but the act of ganking is extremely undemanding in terms of skill.
Finally, I don't mind ganking in any shape or form, but right now some aspects of it - in particular fregihter ganking - are clearly in need of changing/fixing. Furthermore, people have proven that it is possible to gank without bumping (see Russians) so I don't understand why all the hype about the potential changes/removal of it. |
Rhamnousia Nosferatu
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Posted - 2016.01.28 23:49:03 -
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Lesovyk Mara wrote:Meanwhile, I'll just keep webbing my Freighter pilot into warp and not worry about bumping at all.
I pass through Uedama, Niarja and Madirmilire daily and even when there are Mach's on gate, it's never a problem. The webs are too quick.
It's not raining in my backyard, that must mean it's not raining anywhere on planet Earth. Right? |
Lesovyk Mara
Funtime Factory
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Posted - 2016.01.28 23:55:54 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:The thing is - it seems that these discussions always end up in generalizations and mud slinging with very few people willing to try and step away from their entrenched position and looking at the greater picture.
The greater picture shows it not to be a problem, so why bother with a change for something that is not a problem.
It takes 1 additional character to reduce the risk of being bumped to an extremely low level.
That's just a reality, backed by objective data from the largest freight service in the game.
So it seems to me, it's both sides that can't step away from their entrenched position and look at the greater picture. Avoiding being bumped in the first place is extremely easy. Objectively proven to be so. The issue is so small, that it isn't worth all this argument. |
Lesovyk Mara
Funtime Factory
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Posted - 2016.01.28 23:56:59 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:Lesovyk Mara wrote:Meanwhile, I'll just keep webbing my Freighter pilot into warp and not worry about bumping at all.
I pass through Uedama, Niarja and Madirmilire daily and even when there are Mach's on gate, it's never a problem. The webs are too quick. It's not raining in my backyard, that must mean it's not raining anywhere on planet Earth. Right?
It's not raining for anyone that uses web support.
Not just my backyard. Any freighter pilot can utilise webbing support. |
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:00:23 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
Well tbh tossing insults is what you did with my post to start with
I copied what you called yourself. If you didn't want that to happen you shouldn't have brought the attitude.
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
when you're clearly wrong and proven so one post later
Good luck looting a freighter full with a DST.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:10:17 -
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You're missing the greater picture in several places.
You are willfully ignoring that it is very VERY easy to avoid a gank. You are ignoring that ganking is very VERY low frequency relative to the amount of freighter journeys. You are ignoring that a freighter being bumped is far from the only mechanic that is impossible to escape once its too late. You are ignoring that the gankers put far more effort into their playstyle than haulers do their defense.
THAT is the bigger picture.
It is you that is trying to tunnel this discussion into bumping alone. Like someone who doesnt like afk cloaking trying to make the discussion about cloaks alone.
You've already asked us what the problems were and ive given them to you, but it is instead you that is the brick wall.
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Bunnyhopping days
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:10:46 -
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baltec1 wrote:Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
Well tbh tossing insults is what you did with my post to start with
I copied what you called yourself. If you didn't want that to happen you shouldn't have brought the attitude.
I just said what is the usual reaction of the pro-bumping crowd. You kind of jumped onto that wagon with your reaction.
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
when you're clearly wrong and proven so one post later
Good luck looting a freighter full with a DST.
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It is very rarely a 'full' drop as you (likely) well know. Even if it is (and not in packages) you will either use multiple DST runs or get a freighter next to dst to 'clear' the loot. Either way my point stands - no risk for the looter. |
Rhamnousia Nosferatu
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:20:35 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:You're missing the greater picture in several places.
You are willfully ignoring that it is very VERY easy to avoid a gank. You are ignoring that ganking is very VERY low frequency relative to the amount of freighter journeys. You are ignoring that a freighter being bumped is far from the only mechanic that is impossible to escape once its too late. You are ignoring that the gankers put far more effort into their playstyle than haulers do their defense.
THAT is the bigger picture.
It is you that is trying to tunnel this discussion into bumping alone. Like someone who doesnt like afk cloaking trying to make the discussion about cloaks alone.
You've already asked us what the problems were and ive given them to you, but it is instead you that is the brick wall.
So now it is not about the mechanic being good or bad but it is about the effort and frequencies of things occurring? Also, in terms of effort, I've said it already - only effort is involved in prepping the staging systems. I don't see how sitting in a mach and cargo scanning freighters is so much more of a high involvment gameplay then a fregihter actively jumping gate to gate (oh, and I've done scanning myself for quite a while, so I'd know). |
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:21:11 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
It is very rarely a 'full' drop as you (likely) well know.
You have to be ready for it when it does happen, doesn't matter how rare it is. a good bulk of feighter drops are too large for any other ship even with a chunk of the cargo evaporating.
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
Even if it is (and not in packages) you will either use multiple DST runs or get a freighter next to dst to 'clear' the loot. Either way my point stands - no risk for the looter.
Aside from the fact that they have a limited window to act before both the faction police and concord kill them, they are open to attack by everyone, the looting ship used can be attacked, the gank ships themselves are profitable to gank, the freighter can be webbed into warp near instantly, the freighter can escape via warping to a ship 150km in front of where its getting bumped, logisics can save the freighter, wartargets, ecm, blap escorts, counter bumping, pre spawning concord, shooting the target wreck.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:28:01 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:Either way my point stands - no risk for the looter.
What looter anywhere in highsec faces high risk?
I thought this thread was about bumping, not looting.
Bumping is trivially easy to avoid and webbing alts/assistance make moving a freighter extremely safe in highsec.
Edit: I see from the title that looting is supposed to be somehow rebalanced too. I'll have to go back and see why looting one wreck should be more risk than any other. That seems to have been lost in the last few pages.
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:34:20 -
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baltec1 wrote:Aside from the fact that they have a limited window to act before both the faction police and concord kill them, they are open to attack by everyone, the looting ship used can be attacked, the gank ships themselves are profitable to gank, the freighter can be webbed into warp near instantly, the freighter can escape via warping to a ship 150km in front of where its getting bumped, logisics can save the freighter, wartargets, ecm, blap escorts, counter bumping, pre spawning concord, shooting the target wreck.
Instawarps and tacticals, suicide tackles on the gates, pre-spawned concord (drawn away from the gates) making response times longer, using multiple bumpers, using eccm, changing vector of the bump every now and then.
Shooting the target wreck is one of the few reliable counters which got people quite wound up, true. |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:40:02 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:baltec1 wrote:Aside from the fact that they have a limited window to act before both the faction police and concord kill them, they are open to attack by everyone, the looting ship used can be attacked, the gank ships themselves are profitable to gank, the freighter can be webbed into warp near instantly, the freighter can escape via warping to a ship 150km in front of where its getting bumped, logisics can save the freighter, wartargets, ecm, blap escorts, counter bumping, pre spawning concord, shooting the target wreck. Instawarps and tacticals, suicide tackles on the gates, pre-spawned concord (drawn away from the gates) making response times longer, using multiple bumpers, using eccm, changing vector of the bump every now and then. Shooting the target wreck is one of the few reliable counters which got people quite wound up, true.
Not so easy all of a sudden is it?
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:46:34 -
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baltec1 wrote:Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:baltec1 wrote:Aside from the fact that they have a limited window to act before both the faction police and concord kill them, they are open to attack by everyone, the looting ship used can be attacked, the gank ships themselves are profitable to gank, the freighter can be webbed into warp near instantly, the freighter can escape via warping to a ship 150km in front of where its getting bumped, logisics can save the freighter, wartargets, ecm, blap escorts, counter bumping, pre spawning concord, shooting the target wreck. Instawarps and tacticals, suicide tackles on the gates, pre-spawned concord (drawn away from the gates) making response times longer, using multiple bumpers, using eccm, changing vector of the bump every now and then. Shooting the target wreck is one of the few reliable counters which got people quite wound up, true. Not so easy all of a sudden is it?
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:55:54 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:baltec1 wrote:Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:baltec1 wrote:Aside from the fact that they have a limited window to act before both the faction police and concord kill them, they are open to attack by everyone, the looting ship used can be attacked, the gank ships themselves are profitable to gank, the freighter can be webbed into warp near instantly, the freighter can escape via warping to a ship 150km in front of where its getting bumped, logisics can save the freighter, wartargets, ecm, blap escorts, counter bumping, pre spawning concord, shooting the target wreck. Instawarps and tacticals, suicide tackles on the gates, pre-spawned concord (drawn away from the gates) making response times longer, using multiple bumpers, using eccm, changing vector of the bump every now and then. Shooting the target wreck is one of the few reliable counters which got people quite wound up, true. Not so easy all of a sudden is it? Those things are hard? Oh well...
As a non-ganker, looking at this from a 3rd party view, while those things aren't individually difficult, it seems gankers are the only ones that need to do them to operate constantly in highsec.
As a low sec status player because of lowsec pvp, highsec is a PITA.
So they might not be difficult, but they are barriers that gankers already have to deal with that no one else does. These calls are always just one more nerf, but never any suggestion of balance the other way.
Bumping is so trivially easy to avoid to begin with as well.
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Daichi Yamato
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Posted - 2016.01.29 01:00:09 -
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Orchestrating, managing and supplying groups of that size is no small feat. You were complaining about how its ganking on 'easy mode', but what does that make piloting a freighter? 'Even easier mode'? And then you still want to turn hauling into 'even easier than easier mode'?
Yes this is about more than a mechanic being good or bad, because balance trumps that. As does the fact that there has been no solution presented that doesn't break the game else where.
Not every mechanic in the game is perfect. Look at ecm or afk cloaking. But you cant rip the mechanic out without any thought for balance or gameplay implications.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2016.01.29 01:00:19 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:
I thought this thread was about bumping, not looting.
Well, that's where you're wrong. This is the "find any possible excuse to nerf ganking" thread.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2016.01.29 01:02:37 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
Those things are hard? Oh well...
Your arguments fall apart like this every time yet you continue with rubbish such as ganking has no risk/consequences despite the fact anyone with an IQ over 60 can clearly see its the single most punished and risky activity in highsec. You have been given plenty of ways to beat the gankers, as well as statistics that show you are more likely to be involved in a traffic accident than be ganked in EVE. Your own laziness, greed and stupidity is no excuse to further remove content from an already content starved area of space.
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Posted - 2016.01.29 01:05:55 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:
I thought this thread was about bumping, not looting.
Well, that's where you're wrong. This is the "find any possible excuse to nerf ganking" thread.
Yeah I see.
Apparently from the OP, catalysts loot the freighter wreck before dying to CONCORD and eject the loot to be scooped.
What's the cargo capacity of a catalyst to begin with? Seems pretty inefficient and ineffective if several DSTs or another Freight is required anyway.
Does this really occur frequently in freighter ganks that the catalysts loot and eject before dying?
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Posted - 2016.01.29 01:07:54 -
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No, that is straight up ignorance.
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2016.01.29 01:10:05 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:baltec1 wrote:Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:baltec1 wrote:Aside from the fact that they have a limited window to act before both the faction police and concord kill them, they are open to attack by everyone, the looting ship used can be attacked, the gank ships themselves are profitable to gank, the freighter can be webbed into warp near instantly, the freighter can escape via warping to a ship 150km in front of where its getting bumped, logisics can save the freighter, wartargets, ecm, blap escorts, counter bumping, pre spawning concord, shooting the target wreck. Instawarps and tacticals, suicide tackles on the gates, pre-spawned concord (drawn away from the gates) making response times longer, using multiple bumpers, using eccm, changing vector of the bump every now and then. Shooting the target wreck is one of the few reliable counters which got people quite wound up, true. Not so easy all of a sudden is it? Those things are hard? Oh well...
Certainly harder than making sure you don't put your freighter in a position to be ganked in the first place.
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