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AlleyKat Gallente The Avalon Foundation	Posted - 2007.01.29 13:26:00 - [61] Originally by: Roshan longshot Originally by: AlleyKat Concord is the biggest cause of lag - just make up a story that they are on strike, no idea when they will be back - lag would dissappear overnight No, missions are the biggest cause of lag. Read between the lines... Recruiting!
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2007.01.29 13:27:00 - [62] Originally by: Escaped Convict OMG not agian! Eve cannot and will not be sharded in the way you wish "bad luck mate" First of all yure resons for sharding are flawed, lag is not a problem and even if it were it should not be an excuse to shard this game eve is based on ONE UNIVERSE everything you do effects the game no matter how small you are. if a new server where to be created then everyone would have atleast one ALT on it in the hope of getting a t2 BPO and land grab 0.0 so for a few weeks you would have a opertunity for new players to become PLAYERS but after that the game would solidify and within a year new players will agian be screaming SHARD! SHARD! SHARD! in the hope of them getting the t2 BPO or holding 0.0 space meanwhile tranquilty would still survive as players have invested lots of money AND time into and dont want to waste ther investment, but the same cant be siad for the new eve as with only a few months invested and another shard on the way players who didnt have the 2tbpo would simple move to the next one Basicaly if you shard this game it wont work! Imagen if Bob did capture all 0.0 LOL then all that would happen is allances would move server LIKE WOW, but as eve is now allances have to fight to SURVIVE and they have no chouse as they cant run which is why bob cant controle all eve. "A man with no hope is more dangorouse than an army with garented victory" EVE WILL NEVER BE SHARDED!!!!!!!!!!!!! As for you convict, you do not own nor control CCP. If they feel a new server is needed, what are you going to do? Leave? LOL Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2007.01.29 13:28:00 - [63] Originally by: AlleyKat Originally by: Roshan longshot Originally by: AlleyKat Concord is the biggest cause of lag - just make up a story that they are on strike, no idea when they will be back - lag would dissappear overnight No, missions are the biggest cause of lag. Read between the lines... LOL you dont like Eve-online do you? Thats a game killing idea if I ever read one. Would be nice, but those PvE players will leave in mass.... Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Infinity Ziona Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.29 13:32:00 - [64] Originally by: Escaped Convict OMG not agian! Eve cannot and will not be sharded in the way you wish "bad luck mate" First of all yure resons for sharding are flawed, lag is not a problem and even if it were it should not be an excuse to shard this game eve is based on ONE UNIVERSE everything you do effects the game no matter how small you are. if a new server where to be created then everyone would have atleast one ALT on it in the hope of getting a t2 BPO and land grab 0.0 so for a few weeks you would have a opertunity for new players to become PLAYERS but after that the game would solidify and within a year new players will agian be screaming SHARD! SHARD! SHARD! in the hope of them getting the t2 BPO or holding 0.0 space meanwhile tranquilty would still survive as players have invested lots of money AND time into and dont want to waste ther investment, but the same cant be siad for the new eve as with only a few months invested and another shard on the way players who didnt have the 2tbpo would simple move to the next one Basicaly if you shard this game it wont work! Imagen if Bob did capture all 0.0 LOL then all that would happen is allances would move server LIKE WOW, but as eve is now allances have to fight to SURVIVE and they have no chouse as they cant run which is why bob cant controle all eve. "A man with no hope is more dangorouse than an army with garented victory" EVE WILL NEVER BE SHARDED!!!!!!!!!!!!! O RLY? So you figure when its technically not possible to add any more players that CCP is gonna go 'oh well sorry guys and gals but EVE WILL NEVER BE SHARDED and we're no longer gonna take new subscriptions'. Or do you think they'll be able to keep adding players to the cluster forever? The Privateering Life
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.29 13:34:00 - [65] Originally by: Roshan longshot If they feel a new server is needed, what are you going to do? Leave? LOL Yes. If CCP added a 2nd shard, I would leave.
Escaped Convict	Posted - 2007.01.29 13:41:00 - [66] Originally by: Roshan longshot Originally by: Escaped Convict OMG not agian! Eve cannot and will not be sharded in the way you wish "bad luck mate" First of all yure resons for sharding are flawed, lag is not a problem and even if it were it should not be an excuse to shard this game eve is based on ONE UNIVERSE everything you do effects the game no matter how small you are. if a new server where to be created then everyone would have atleast one ALT on it in the hope of getting a t2 BPO and land grab 0.0 so for a few weeks you would have a opertunity for new players to become PLAYERS but after that the game would solidify and within a year new players will agian be screaming SHARD! SHARD! SHARD! in the hope of them getting the t2 BPO or holding 0.0 space meanwhile tranquilty would still survive as players have invested lots of money AND time into and dont want to waste ther investment, but the same cant be siad for the new eve as with only a few months invested and another shard on the way players who didnt have the 2tbpo would simple move to the next one Basicaly if you shard this game it wont work! Imagen if Bob did capture all 0.0 LOL then all that would happen is allances would move server LIKE WOW, but as eve is now allances have to fight to SURVIVE and they have no chouse as they cant run which is why bob cant controle all eve. "A man with no hope is more dangorouse than an army with garented victory" EVE WILL NEVER BE SHARDED!!!!!!!!!!!!! As for you convict, you do not own nor control CCP. If they feel a new server is needed, what are you going to do? Leave? LOL of course i dont OWN CcP are you simple i never siad i did and eve will never be sharded if eve NEEDED a new server it would be done in a way that didnt effect tranqulity like the chinese server anyways from what i have seen latly ccp is gona be doing its own stuff "stuff other than EVE" so if eve ever got to the piont of needing a new server i would imagen they would call it a diffrent game change the storyline and have it in a complitly diffrent galaxy so it would be a CLONE rather than a shard ie same engine and machanics just diffrent content and role playing :) and yes if CCP did shard the game and give peeps the option to "Roshan Longshot has trgeted youre ship and wish's to engage in combat" OK/Refuse and shards for difrent typs of players ie a pve servers and that sort of WOW kiddyKind play style then yes i would stop playing the game and WTF Roshan YES you could have my stuf LOL http://www.badongo.com/pic.php?file=new+banner__2005-12-31_Unfortunate+Banner.jpg
Infinity Ziona Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.29 13:50:00 - [67] Originally by: Escaped Convict of course i dont OWN CcP are you simple i never siad i did and eve will never be sharded if eve NEEDED a new server it would be done in a way that didnt effect tranqulity like the chinese server anyways from what i have seen latly ccp is gona be doing its own stuff "stuff other than EVE" so if eve ever got to the piont of needing a new server i would imagen they would call it a diffrent game change the storyline and have it in a complitly diffrent galaxy so it would be a CLONE rather than a shard ie same engine and machanics just diffrent content and role playing :) Can you put a Titan in my hanger plz? The Privateering Life
Santa Claw Federation of Synthetic Persons YouWhat	Posted - 2007.01.29 13:58:00 - [68] Originally by: Infinity Ziona O RLY? So you figure when its technically not possible to add any more players that CCP is gonna go 'oh well sorry guys and gals but EVE WILL NEVER BE SHARDED and we're no longer gonna take new subscriptions'. Or do you think they'll be able to keep adding players to the cluster forever? You should read this Interview with Oveur Interview with Oveur GSUK: Will you ever get to the point where you'll have to turn people away? NR: Possibly, but it's not an issue that we'll come to any time soon. We need to manage the population so that people are spread out more evenly across the galaxy--but it could happen, yes. GSUK: Most companies look at the MMOG concept and try to attract as many players as possible in order to make the most money. EVE is more self-selecting, but does it matter to CCP if you hit a limit? NR: No, CCP became a profitable company two years ago--we're just looking at increasing the development team, which we've done as we've had the funds. Also, we're not trying to achieve 7.5 million people in EVE--I'd be happy with 300,000 maximum. I like to see new people around, but not at the cost of the game's overall offering. For us, it's not necessary to have a lot of people, because we just want to have fun with EVE. The single-shard universe will probably not scale up to 7.5 million people, after all...
Wotar	Posted - 2007.01.29 14:08:00 - [69] Originally by: Escaped Convict if you shard this game it wont work! And there it is - all that needs to be said. /me hands the OP his coat Now all we need today is a thread whining about non-consensual pvp...
Matarinnea	Posted - 2007.01.29 15:22:00 - [70] By Infinity Ziona Quote: Positive Effects of a new server(s):1. More subscriptions from people wanting to play EvE but unwilling to start 4+ years or 60,000,000+ skillpoints behind in skill training, or not wanting to compete with dominating and largely unbeatable uber-corps like Band of Brothers. 2. Less dominated 0.0 and low sec, a less congested market and less impact by macroers / isk sellers. 3. The thrill of being pioneers instead of newb cannonfodder. This is the point I was trying to make. For whatever reasons the orwners have taken EVE into two incompatable directions. The new server would not only lessen load and lag but would acknowledge the two different games that currently exist. I would further suggest that current subscribers have a choice of servers, but if not then I would stqart over. The current domination of high sec so called "Empire" space by 0.0 corps has reached into all economic aspects of the game as well as the inability of any solo or small groups to move "beyond" "Empire."
Aodha Khan Minmatar The Paratwa Ka	Posted - 2007.01.29 15:31:00 - [71] No. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2007.01.29 15:42:00 - [72] Originally by: Santa Claw Originally by: Infinity Ziona O RLY? So you figure when its technically not possible to add any more players that CCP is gonna go 'oh well sorry guys and gals but EVE WILL NEVER BE SHARDED and we're no longer gonna take new subscriptions'. Or do you think they'll be able to keep adding players to the cluster forever? You should read this Interview with Oveur Interview with Oveur GSUK: Will you ever get to the point where you'll have to turn people away? NR: Possibly, but it's not an issue that we'll come to any time soon. We need to manage the population so that people are spread out more evenly across the galaxy--but it could happen, yes. GSUK: Most companies look at the MMOG concept and try to attract as many players as possible in order to make the most money. EVE is more self-selecting, but does it matter to CCP if you hit a limit? NR: No, CCP became a profitable company two years ago--we're just looking at increasing the development team, which we've done as we've had the funds. Also, we're not trying to achieve 7.5 million people in EVE--I'd be happy with 300,000 maximum. I like to see new people around, but not at the cost of the game's overall offering. For us, it's not necessary to have a lot of people, because we just want to have fun with EVE. The single-shard universe will probably not scale up to 7.5 million people, after all... Well thats fine and dandy....I know of 9 accounts they could ban then if they are not too worried about makeing money. On the second thought no leave them be, I been makeing a bundle off of them.... Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Rastigan Caldari Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.29 16:16:00 - [73] IMHO, the typical munchkin player who would only play Eve if they could start on a new server because they have to be the uberest,bestest,most powerfullest player in the world, is not someone who would really play Eve -> WoW is that way... The point of one shard is the community, being able to interact in some way with EVERYONE in the game is incredible... You ask your friend who plays the same MMORPG with you, ah what server do you play on.. "I play on server Aardvark, ah.. I play on server Anteater, oh well...." As for the lag/server thing, Everyone does realize EvE is not 1 Linux machine in somebodies closet, it is a cluster of servers. EvE in a ways is just like real life, cant stand the traffic/population density of being in a big city, move away.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2007.01.29 19:32:00 - [74] You know maybe a second server would be good, have it going just about a month. That way CCP can easly identify the isk buyers and permaban them... Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Gwyneth Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.01.29 20:41:00 - [75] Edited by: Gwyneth on 29/01/2007 20:38:24 Originally by: zoltar Seriously. I made a thread on lag myself not too long ago, then started reading through the forums. Seems like 90% of the threads are lag related. Only reason im even reading the forums is because eve is unplayable atm. If there was another server I would be creating a new account and character right now and be starting over. I think it would be a breath of fresh air. Everyone starting at the same point again, alot of people wouldnt want to start over so there would be less people on the new server = less lag. The people that do leave will clear up TQ so that it could be playable for those that dont want to leave. Wish I could do a poll of how many would go to a new server. There is a new server available. It is in China. Don't like TQ? Go there. Additionally, I fail to see the logic in "less people on the new server = less lag". You are thus assuming that the new server is running on more than one machine? I would believe that the logic would be "new server = pay more". Da?
Lord BlackSter The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.01.29 20:50:00 - [76] The thread starter has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. EVE is so great because it has one server...
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD	Posted - 2007.01.29 21:22:00 - [77] No. The one-server-concept is one of the core identity properties of the EVE universe. And as far as I understood some what I have read, CCP will more likely stop to accept subscriptions when the technological/economical maximum subscriber count is reached, then to open a new server. And I fully endorse that. Given the rate of technological improvements in the IT field, I do not see this threshold reached soon, though. They chinese server was not made because they wanted to have another server, but to cater to the chinese market despite the legal requirements on online gaming. Juwi Kotch JOIN NOW, KLICK SIG!
Exortius Amarrus The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.29 22:28:00 - [78] Originally by: zoltar Seriously. I made a thread on lag myself not too long ago, then started reading through the forums. Seems like 90% of the threads are lag related. Only reason im even reading the forums is because eve is unplayable atm. If there was another server I would be creating a new account and character right now and be starting over. I think it would be a breath of fresh air. Everyone starting at the same point again, alot of people wouldnt want to start over so there would be less people on the new server = less lag. The people that do leave will clear up TQ so that it could be playable for those that dont want to leave. Wish I could do a poll of how many would go to a new server. The day they release another server is the day i cancel my subscription. Accomplishments are diminished when spread over different servers. It's another one of those little things that makes EVE so badass. ------------------------
Matarinnea	Posted - 2007.01.29 22:45:00 - [79] Well my sub is up in about a month. I have no desire to be a drone player for some super corp(that's drone as in bee worker drone(as in no thought and take orders))and the promise of the EVE storyline is meaningless As I said before there are two EVE's at present. To fail to acknowledge this fact is to hide ones head in the sand. Two servers is the realistic acknowledgement of this. Since CCP will most likely not address this fact, then I go as this is not the product that was advertised. That is in plain english -- EVE is not a storline-roleplay game but a corps-battle game. Shoot-em-up en masse. Small mass, large mass -- still meaningless warfare -- note: there is no roleplay, no storyline, no economic or territorial basis to the wars(the reason for conquest is either political or economic, the first assumes a culture and civilization(not possible in 0.0) the second in EVE only exists to feed the war machine. It is not an economy that would be the basis of a civilization or culture -- that is there is no imaginative fantasy element), but merely battle for battles sake. But I give these Icelandic guys this, they really know how to engender passion. Good Luck to everyone.
Gwyneth Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.01.30 00:27:00 - [80] Originally by: Matarinnea Shoot-em-up en masse. Small mass, large mass -- still meaningless warfare -- note: there is no roleplay, no storyline, no economic or territorial basis to the wars(the reason for conquest is either political or economic, the first assumes a culture and civilization(not possible in 0.0) the second in EVE only exists to feed the war machine. It is not an economy that would be the basis of a civilization or culture -- that is there is no imaginative fantasy element), but merely battle for battles sake. cough I believe you have missed the point about EVE. If you don't like the 'lack of storyline content' then make some. Form an alliance, claim to be the sole and correct heir to the Amarr empire and rally people to your cause. If nothing else, people will know you for being a fruit cake. And then the question arises, how does one rally people to ones cause? Isk and power. So please do not bring your own lack of ideas to the forum and sob about EVE not having anything to entertain you. One way entertainment might work in WoW, EVE on the other hand needs fruit cakes and megalomaniacs. Without them EVE would be WoW with a hint of PvP.
Trollin	Posted - 2007.01.30 01:54:00 - [81] not that anyone reads to the 3rd page, but as a player of less than 6 months, I have thought much about this, and it is my opinion that the game would be more fun for new people if a shard was created every 4-8 months, and new accounts where allowed to select to create a single set of 3 characters on a single server. normally they would choose the newest server, unless they where trying to enjoy the game with more seasoned friends. after about a month of playing, I had concluded that the only thing that would keep me in the game would be the continued contact with people that I liked. I don't play for the next lvl 5 skill, or the next ship, or mod, or ability. Knowing that there are hundreds of thousands of people that are YEARS ahead of me when it comes to any aspect of the game is depressing.. and unless I want to pay a monthly fee for at least 3 years, I wont ever be even remotely good at much of anything compared to the rest of the population. don't worry though, I plan on moving on soon enough... and no, you can't have my stuff.. --------------------------------------------------- A word to the wise ain't necessary, its the stupid ones that need the advice
Dark Kavar Caldari Even-Flow	Posted - 2007.01.30 02:02:00 - [82] I went through Jita yesterday (sunday) without any problems Originally by: id rather leave on a good note but I hate my corp and do not want to play with them.
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2007.01.30 02:06:00 - [83] Originally by: Trollin not that anyone reads to the 3rd page, but as a player of less than 6 months, I have thought much about this, and it is my opinion that the game would be more fun for new people if a shard was created every 4-8 months, and new accounts where allowed to select to create a single set of 3 characters on a single server. normally they would choose the newest server, unless they where trying to enjoy the game with more seasoned friends. after about a month of playing, I had concluded that the only thing that would keep me in the game would be the continued contact with people that I liked. I don't play for the next lvl 5 skill, or the next ship, or mod, or ability. Knowing that there are hundreds of thousands of people that are YEARS ahead of me when it comes to any aspect of the game is depressing.. and unless I want to pay a monthly fee for at least 3 years, I wont ever be even remotely good at much of anything compared to the rest of the population. don't worry though, I plan on moving on soon enough... and no, you can't have my stuff.. You know you're not likely to become the sultan of Brunei or the president of the USA either, best end yourself!
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.01.30 02:49:00 - [84] Originally by: Wendat Huron ...You know you're not likely to become the sultan of Brunei or the president of the USA either, best end yourself! Now that's just crazy talk. Every uni student with a degree in computer science instantly become as rich as Bill Gates, we all know that. You make it sound like dedication and perserverance should actually pay off instead of just turning up and having it all on a plate. Nuts I say! On a more serious note. Eve is housed on a cluster of servers. There already are many servers. Some servers run a few solar systems. This is why you can be in a system on your own and get lag, the server you are on has another very busy system running on it. I think some servers are dedicated to just one system of their own. CCP are always working on improving the code base, they continue to upgrade hardware. The trouble is the habit people have of clustering. When you have 500 people flying / shooting / mining / ratting / PvPing in one system, even if it is housed on one dedicated box, you will run into problems. CCP are making changes tonight (local time) that will help allieviate the problem by dispersing the worst hubs further. If you want to avoid lag move away from the cluster. I live out in 0.0 and I only get lag in very particular circumstances, mainly when I am in system with 400 pilots shooting at a POS and releasing hundreds of fighters and drones. But that is to be expected. Lag is not a global problem. >> RECRUITING <<
Yoyort Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.30 02:57:00 - [85] Instead of being upset over connection issues, try setting up a better internet connection, Im presently on wireless and know its a big issue for online gaming ESPECIALLY in FPS games or MMOS. Ive gotten it to work out eventually, try rewiring your cables or wires in your home, contacting your internet services provider and getting it sorted as it also has helped me in establishing a very smooth online performance boost Ive needed. Either way ppz if your getting LAG its as simple as your either around way to many other players way to often, in large BLOG warfare or have extremely poor internet, wooden modems are ancient retirem for once and for all :P
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 03:34:00 - [86] Edited by: j0sephine on 30/01/2007 03:31:20 "I have thought much about this, and it is my opinion that the game would be more fun for new people if a shard was created every 4-8 months (..) Knowing that there are hundreds of thousands of people that are YEARS ahead of me when it comes to any aspect of the game is depressing.." You are grossly overestimating amount of people who are 'years ahead of you', actually ^^ I don't have link at hand at the moment, but not too long ago Oveur posted some statistics about the game population. Average time people spend playing EVE before they move on comes to something like 8 months, and a small fraction (which translates to dozens or people actively playing at any given moment rather than thousands or hundreds) ... has been around for multiple years. Also keep in mind, such players would generally split their playtime for training multiple characters rather than single "main" ... which altogether means you can be on par with average EVE player much sooner than you think.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.01.30 04:04:00 - [87] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 30/01/2007 04:01:19 Ok.. after reading through yet another 'omg there are too many people in my game making lag and damn them all' thread then how about this suggestion.. I counted up all the unique posts over the last few weeks about this very subject and came up with a total number of about 20ish players who would like their own shard.. ( maybe a bit more or less as its hard to tell which posters are alts adding to the mains view.. ) Soooo.. Why not give it to them? A half a blade should run the whole eve cluster just fine for that 20ish amount of players.. Oh and if you DO go to the new shard there is no coming back.. So hows that sound? Fair? Think about it guys.. Your very own cluster virtually all to yourself with only about 20 people on it.. Bliss yes? KALI:Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Alekseyev Karrde The Royal Guard Forces of Freedom	Posted - 2007.01.30 04:31:00 - [88] no. one server. always and forever at peril of killing the game. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Soporo	Posted - 2007.01.30 04:47:00 - [89] Yeah, I raised this topic in my early n00bness and got the living ****nit flamed out of me by all the old timers too. Glad to see someone else is getting a beating for a change.
NeoOhm Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 04:54:00 - [90] NO! One server is what is eve

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