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Reiisha Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:30:00 - [31] Originally by: Weebear Originally by: Reiisha Add to this that Vista only allows you to change your hardware a few times before you have to buy a new license. If your motherboard fries, you have to buy Vista again aswell... How stupid is that? Surely it will just be the same as XP where you will need to activate by telephone if the hardware changes too many times, and not that you need to buy a new license? You don't have to do that in XP. My PC has gone through about 3 pc's worth of hardware by now, i haven't been bothered by this for a single time, even though i never actually reinstalled the OS. EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:33:00 - [32] Originally by: GouldFish look into again, XP has a content protection system in place that is used for macrovision etc, which can already do things like turn of the SP/DIF connection. That's not content protection; any program with kernel-level access (i.e. any program run with admin privileges) can do that on any operating system. -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Crumplecorn Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:35:00 - [33] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Crumplecorn No it won't, it its too different, it can't physically function with windows XP drivers n' stuff. Microsoft wants you to believe, yes... Tell me how to get DX10 on then. Not that it'll do me any good on my current system, since it struggles a bit with DX9 games. But still, curiosity and cats and all that. ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:39:00 - [34] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Crumplecorn No it won't, it its too different, it can't physically function with windows XP drivers n' stuff. Microsoft wants you to believe, yes... Tell me how to get DX10 on then. Not that it'll do me any good on my current system, since it struggles a bit with DX9 games. But still, curiosity and cats and all that. Clearly I'm not enough of a hacker to know. The person who originally posted about the topic should tell us, though . The WINE devs themselves have said they can have DX10 working on XP within 6 months if they work at it, so its not impossible. -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Crumplecorn Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:41:00 - [35] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Crumplecorn No it won't, it its too different, it can't physically function with windows XP drivers n' stuff. Microsoft wants you to believe, yes... Tell me how to get DX10 on then. Not that it'll do me any good on my current system, since it struggles a bit with DX9 games. But still, curiosity and cats and all that. Clearly I'm not enough of a hacker to know. The person who originally posted about the topic should tell us, though . The WINE devs themselves have said they can have DX10 working on XP within 6 months if they work at it, so its not impossible. \o/ ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Wild Rho Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:14:00 - [36] Going to use XP until it's not possible anymore then switch to Linux (would do it now but I'm too lazy). Vista treats the user too much like an enemy to be worth spending the cash on. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
Crumplecorn Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:24:00 - [37] Originally by: Wild Rho Going to use XP until it's not possible anymore then switch to Linux (would do it now but I'm too lazy). Vista treats the user too much like an enemy to be worth spending the cash on. If you put half as much work as it takes to get Linux working into hacking Vista, you could probably remove all the DRM and patch all the security vulnerabilities, and have time left over. (kidding ) ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
MrTriggerHappy Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:30:00 - [38] Gets out his Tin foil hat, his book of hacks, case of energy drink and a few packets of Salt and Vinegar crisps Back soon ppl.. we need the patch!!! The Image hoster removed my siggy.. it'll be back on the weekend!! My Comments in no way reflect my corp or alliance
Benco97 Gallente Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:54:00 - [39] Time will tell. "MY GOD KEEP THIS AWAY FROM BENCO97!!!!!" - Constantine Arcanum
Na'Thuul Caldari Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:34:00 - [40] Originally by: Davlos Edited by: Davlos on 31/01/2007 11:55:01 For one thing though, I won't be bashing Micro$oft's programming department, because there are some really fcking brilliant minds there. It's the moron producers who insist on several features (like the aforementioned 'security' and copy protection stuff) that increase the number of un-closeable processes immensely. Quote:* Microsoft is only doing this because Hollywood/the music industry is forcing them to. ôWe were only following ordersö has historically worked rather poorly as an excuse, and it doesn't work too well here either. While it's convenient to paint an industry that sues 12-year-old kids and 80- year-old grandmothers as the scapegoat, no-one's holding a gun to Microsoft's head to force them do this. The content industry is desperate to get its content onto PCs, and it would have been quite easy for Microsoft to say ôHere's what we'll do with Vista, take it or leave it. We won't seriously cripple our own and our business partners' products just to suit your whimsö. In other words they could make it clear to Hollywood who's the tail and who's the dog. Here's an illustrative story about what can happen when the content- industry tail tries to wag the dog. About 10-15 years ago, music companies told a bunch of NZ TV stations that they had to pay fees in order to screen music videos. The TV stations disagreed, saying that they were providing free advertising for the music companies, and if they didn't like that then they'd simply stop playing music videos. So they stopped playing all music videos. After a few weeks, *****s stated to appear as the music companies realised just how badly they needed the TV channels. One of the music companies bought an entire prime-time advertising block (at phenomenal cost, this wasn't a single 30-second slot but every slot in an entire prime-time ad break) just to play one single new music video. Shortly afterwards, music videos reappeared on TV. The details of the settlement were never made public, but I imagine it consisted of a bunch of music company execs on their knees begging the TV stations to start playing music videos again and let's please never bring this matter up again. It's the same with Microsoft, the content industry needs them as badly (or more badly) than Microsoft needs the content industry. Claiming that they're only following orders from Hollywood is a red herring ù if Microsoft declined to implement this stuff, Hollywood would have to give in because they can't afford to lock themselves out of 95% of the market, in the same way that the music companies couldn't afford to cut out their primary advertising channel. --- [08:41:12] Nebulai > unless your offering me cheap pills, I don't see it
Davlos Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:16:00 - [41] I can't divulge methods. As bull**** as it may sound, I can't, and I'm not going to. I screw around with software/hardware out of pure curiosity, not to exploit it for personal gain. In fact, if I do, I'll get my ass sued to death. Just know that it can be done, if someone like me who doesn't have a life and can be bothered enough to screw around with such stuff. Now to find a girlfriend. ;__; --------------- Davlos Cain 040
Crumplecorn Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:41:00 - [42] Originally by: Davlos As bull** as it may sound Just an FYI, it sounds very bull**. ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:42:00 - [43] DS... are you the owner of Apple... inventor of the ipod.. somone who old billy stole his ideas off as a kid... ? why do you hate microsoft so much.. out of interest Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Petwraith (mods@ccpgames) ok ok that was harsh, i dont hate mods.. as an apology the mod who shows the most wuv gets a free mercedes...
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:53:00 - [44] Originally by: Mtthias Clemi DS... are you the owner of Apple... inventor of the ipod.. somone who old billy stole his ideas off as a kid... ? why do you hate microsoft so much.. out of interest I don't like Apple, nor do I own any of their products. I don't like Microsoft because they've spent the last decade being the worst, most anti-competitive company in the entire world. They've easily beat out Sony and Electronic Arts for sheer suck. -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:14:00 - [45] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Mtthias Clemi DS... are you the owner of Apple... inventor of the ipod.. somone who old billy stole his ideas off as a kid... ? why do you hate microsoft so much.. out of interest I don't like Apple, nor do I own any of their products. I don't like Microsoft because they've spent the last decade being the worst, most anti-competitive company in the entire world. They've easily beat out Sony and Electronic Arts for sheer suck. Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood i hate apple too :), maybe thats why i dont mind microsoft.. either way ive never had any trouble with microsoft products.. they which you fight against windows reminds me of me trying to convince my mates not to buy ipods... either way bill gates lets me stream movies pictures and music onto ym 42inch tv wirelessly with no lag and less than a seconds loading time! SO IM HAPPY. im going to get vista either way.. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Petwraith (mods@ccpgames) ok ok that was harsh, i dont hate mods.. as an apology the mod who shows the most wuv gets a free mercedes...
Frezik Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:52:00 - [46] Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood i hate apple too :), maybe thats why i dont mind microsoft.. Why? Apple spent the mid-'80s to the late-'90s being nothing more than a free R&D house for Microsoft.
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:58:00 - [47] I'll wait for DX10 to be ported to XP. It may take 6 months, it may take 2 years, but it'll happen eventually. There's really nothing in Vista that would make me switch, and too many things that make me not want to switch.
SengH Black Omega Security Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:04:00 - [48] testing vista buisness off MSDNAA and by far the biggest benfit has to be the 3d accelerated desktop. EVE + alpha overlay = a horrendous amount of lag in XP. In vista its gone TOTALLY. Running 4 videos on the same screen as vista without the system chugging is like a breath of fresh air.
Ikvar I WILL ROCK YOUR FACE	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:21:00 - [49] I laugh at anyone who buys an operating system this close to its launch date. Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
Dr Shameless Skull Soft The Sundering	Posted - 2007.01.31 21:23:00 - [50] Edited by: Dr Shameless on 31/01/2007 21:19:20 i hope that Vista will be the nail in the coffin for Windows and that it will put free open source operating systems in the foreground
Ikvar I WILL ROCK YOUR FACE	Posted - 2007.01.31 21:43:00 - [51] Originally by: Dr Shameless Edited by: Dr Shameless on 31/01/2007 21:19:20 i hope that Vista will be the nail in the coffin for Windows and that it will put free open source operating systems in the foreground It won't be though. Also anyone who really likes open source OSes is fat. Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.31 21:45:00 - [52] Originally by: Crumplecorn If you put half as much work as it takes to get Linux working into hacking Vista, you could probably remove all the DRM and patch all the security vulnerabilities, and have time left over. (kidding ) You'd probably also have enough time to get beryl setup and tweaked to your liking. Then the problem is that when you're bored and need to be doing work you can play with your windows and window manager. (for example, super-F3 is snow) and shift-f9 is rain) --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Lithalnas Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:03:00 - [53] I look at vista and i see 3 things. "you want me to pay server OS pirces for the Vista Uber package that doesn't have any server/dev stuff?" "wait you mean to tell me i cant run this because its not authenticated from MS?" "Dx10 is the greatest thing ever11111111, sad there are no games for it and linux will probably spoof something for dx10 games in under 6 months" ------------- Midshipman Lithalnas - Logistics Division - Hadean Drive Yards
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.02.01 00:05:00 - [54] I ******* hate Bill Gates and his lame ass company... If there was any competition for OS', his company would be scewed, his OS' are confronational to the user at best... Building the homestead
Cuebick Caldari The Collective	Posted - 2007.02.01 00:28:00 - [55] I just got Windows Vista Home Edtition something something Student Edition (And a little extra cheap) and maybe I might just video tape me installing vista for you all harcore guys out there stop fudging with my sig :(
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.01 00:32:00 - [56] Originally by: Cuebick I just got Windows Vista Home Edtition something something Student Edition (And a little extra cheap) and maybe I might just video tape me installing vista for you all harcore guys out there /waits for the inevitable red screen of death... -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Kata Dakini	Posted - 2007.02.01 04:01:00 - [57] M$ line of thought: Computers are getting too fast, let's make sure Vista is more resource intensive. Otherwise, Dell, Intel and AMD will be upset that nobody wants to buy faster processors. Xbox is our baby. All those silly PC gamers are a headache. We wish they would just buy an Xbox. That way we can help keep the major game publishers happy in that they can spend even less time on developing/porting to PC. Besides, the Xbox is going to be the center of the home entertainment system anyway. IPTV is coming soon. We will be able to make people think they need Vista in order to have IPTV. If we ensure they also need a new TV as well, Dell will be happy. We've had it with piracy. Let's make sure that users will be scared to do things we don't want them to. :end M$ thought barrage. Unfortunately for the PC enthusiasts, we are the minority, and most home PC users are lemmings who do what they're told. From what I see in Vista, there are no features that entice me. I could care less about DX10. M$ is using DX10 the same way they used USB 2.0 with XP. We all know that most people using PCs are doing nothing more than surfing the web, printing digital camera snapshots of their kids, and running office apps. As I previously mentioned, these users will simply do what they're told by people like US. In the last two days, I've had a lot of people ask me what I think of Vista, if I was eager to buy it, etc. I've told every single one of them that I will probably never install it and I give them the reasons why (DRM, licensing, cost). The ONLY reason I would ever want to have Vista installed is for gaming. I grew up with PC gaming, from playing Frogger and Montezuma's Revenge on my 286, to playing EVE, Madden, and some RPG's today. I feel that I am a good representation of a very distinct demographic. People that are older than me generally don't play PC games. People that are younger than me don't play PC games. These people either don't play games, or they play games on consoles. Heck, I'm pretty much the ONLY person of all the friends I've ever had that plays PC games. I'm sure many of you can relate. I also tell people that ask me questions that my next computer will be built to run Linux. It can do everything a Windows box can do (more in some cases, less in others), and it doesn't come with any guilt. As much as I try to convince them that their lives will continue with Linux instead, I get the impression that they simply don't trust it, even if they really really want to. So I have come to the very obvious conclusion that in order for Linux to succeed, it needs an ambassador. It needs a SALESPERSON. So this is becoming, more and more each day, my third job. I am in a very unique position, where I have some pretty significant technical influence over organizations with money to spend and problems to solve. I think, firstly, what Linux needs is brand recognition. Without this, the average consumer simply doesn't know it exists, or doesn't care. Ipod Google Playstation etc. These are all recognizable names to everyone. My grandmother who can't even figure out how to turn a computer on knows what each of those are. This is what Linux needs. I'm not the one to decide what name that is, however. Will it be Ubuntu? Debain? Linux? Who knows, but one single name will have to come to the forefront of the trademark parade in order for things to change. For more enjoyment and greater efficiency, consumption is being standardized.
Boonaki Caldari Suffoco Noctis Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.01 08:46:00 - [58] An indication of the level of complexity added to the software can be seen by looking at a block diagram of Vista's Media Interoperability Gateway (MIG). Of the eleven components that make up the MIG, only two (the audio and video decoders) are actually used to render content. The remaining nine are used to apply content-protection measures. Fear the Ibis of doom! 113
Siobhan Ni Gallente Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.01 09:24:00 - [59] Well I installed Vista over the weekend. Looks great and appears to be running very fast - although I do have a highly specced machine. Kinda funny watching all the kiddies using the '$' symbol to replace all the s characters in anything that is microsoft related I'd recommend that people at least try it before critisiing it - gives you a more balanced opinion. And this is coming from someone that has been using Linux for at least 12 years now HD DVD's are slightly reduced to the quality of normal DVDs, big deal. I didn't buy my computer to watch dvds...
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.01 11:12:00 - [60] Originally by: Siobhan Ni Well I installed Vista over the weekend. Looks great and appears to be running very fast - although I do have a highly specced machine. Kinda funny watching all the kiddies using the '$' symbol to replace all the s characters in anything that is microsoft related I'd recommend that people at least try it before critisiing it - gives you a more balanced opinion. And this is coming from someone that has been using Linux for at least 12 years now HD DVD's are slightly reduced to the quality of normal DVDs, big deal. I didn't buy my computer to watch dvds... Read the rest of the link posted above. Microsoft has designed Vista from the ground up to steal your computer from you. -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)

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