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Frezik
Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.01 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Gone'Postal
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Microsoft has designed Vista from the ground up to steal your computer from you.
TBH I don't understand by what you mean by that, yeah they have stupid stuff in there to stop you accessing some files which you can turn off . . .
He refers to DRM, which is there to stop you from doing things the media companies don't like. There isn't a lot of media out there yet that take advantage of this DRM. The next-gen DVD formats are about it at the moment. So it's possible you just haven't seen the problems yet.
Make no mistake: the design requirements for a DRM system are impossible to achieve. The best you can hope for is to make the process of breaking it too hard to bother with. But DRM makes the whole system more problematic for all other uses.
A much better model is iTunes, where media is cheep enough and convient enough to buy that people don't bother trying to download it elsewhere. Mind you, iTunes does have DRM, but it's been broken for a while, and is more geared twards forcing you to using the media on an iPod rather than another MP3 player. I don't particularly like that either, but the business model could work without DRM.
Quote: For less tecnicaly minded people i can see how vista can be a damn nightmare but a little research and you can turn off everything smeggy that microballs has put in there.
If only technically-minded people can do it, why not have them jump on Linux? My Grandma could never compiler her own kernel, but she'd be no good at fooling with the Windows registry, either.
Linux may or may not be difficult to get working, but if it takes a technical person tweak Windows, too, than that's not a valid reason against Linux.
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Armored
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.01 22:04:00 -
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I have Windows Vista Ultimate. Not a single problem has occured, the Dreamscene is nice (i have the Eve trailer as my full motion background) and furthermore I enjoy all the new eyecandy such as the glass aura's. DirectX 10 is going to be fantastic with the new Eve to be released (this version will be known as Eve Classic). If you are thinking of getting Vista, get the Ultimate.
P4 2.8 1 Gig 533 ram (soon to be 2) Radeon X1950 GT ($150 on sale) SoundBlaster Audigy.
With these modest specs, my system runs flawlessly.
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division
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Posted - 2007.02.01 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Frezik
If only technically-minded people can do it, why not have them jump on Linux? My Grandma could never compiler her own kernel, but she'd be no good at fooling with the Windows registry, either.
Linux may or may not be difficult to get working, but if it takes a technical person tweak Windows, too, than that's not a valid reason against Linux.
There are steps of Technically minded people i guess. I'd say i'm not so bad but there are people that could pound me into the ground on windows.
Because linux sucks.... I've had to use a few flavors granted not all of them out there, but i'd rather use Vista or even 3.11 over ANY version of linux i've used. personal choice of course, some people love it and i wish them the best in using it.
end of the day, i like what i use and others like what they use.. user pref. saying one is better then the other is down to the user. -------------------------------------------- Welcome to the best slideshow on Earth! |
Ciphero
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.01 23:21:00 -
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I'm putting together a new PC over the coming months, and will probably try a downloaded copy of Vista on it first, for as long as I can without having to activate it or until I get sick of it (whichever comes first). Once that time comes, I expect to know whether I'll get Vista sooner or later. Anyone who thinks they can stick with XP forever should find some 3.1 users and see how they're doing.
So far, the only thing that really bothers me is the fact that the OEM (i.e. reasonably priced) edition is tied to one hardware configuration. I upgrade all the time and do not want to be forking out for extra licenses.
I'm still not totally sure why everyone's upset about the DRM thing. I may be missing something - if so, please tell me - but I can't see how it's going to affect me playing my legally-bought DVDs, self-ripped MP3s and such. Yeah it'll be a pain that I won't be able to watch my otherwise-acquired vids (or at least post-Vista acquired ones), but can one really complain about the OS stopping you from breaking the law? Irritating, yeah, but you can hardly blame them for it.
Everyone seems to think that Vista does more than XP therefore must be slower. Er, what? Vista has the DRM encryption doohickey - yes, that gives the CPU more to do. Considered that maybe this is compensated for by a more efficient method of doing something else compared to XP? Vista is not XP SP3 by any stretch of the imagination. There's a reason why it's the longest-awaited edition of Windows.
The amount of leaping before looking in this thread is pretty crazy, as a few posters have mentioned. Every review of Vista I've seen (by people who have used it, not just read the feature/bug list) is positive. But you know what, I'm going to try it for myself before I really form an opinion. Some of you could do with trying that method for yourselves. |
Frezik
Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.01 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Gone'Postal end of the day, i like what i use and others like what they use.. user pref. saying one is better then the other is down to the user.
We don't get to agree to disagree on this. Windows inflicts additional hardware costs on everyone.
Originally by: Ciphero Anyone who thinks they can stick with XP forever should find some 3.1 users and see how they're doing.
Ironically, just the other day I was flying home, and my baggage got lost during transfer. While one of the airline employees helped me track it down, I noticed the terminal she was using was Win3.1. Old applications like that tend to stick around in small niches like that. There are lots of financial transactions that still run on COBOL . . .
Quote: I'm still not totally sure why everyone's upset about the DRM thing. I may be missing something - if so, please tell me - but I can't see how it's going to affect me playing my legally-bought DVDs, self-ripped MP3s and such.
It's been stated many times in this thread: Microsoft's DRM requirements greatly increases the cost to manufacture hardware. Even with all that, it still won't stop illegal copying, because that's an impossible design goal. All DRM models to date, including Vista, HD-DVD, and Blu-ray, have been broken or bypassed. The iTunes model of "cheep and convenient" is a much better way to solve the same problem.
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Epoch
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Posted - 2007.02.01 23:55:00 -
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Edited by: Epoch on 01/02/2007 23:52:13
Originally by: Armored I have Windows Vista Ultimate. Not a single problem has occured, the Dreamscene is nice (i have the Eve trailer as my full motion background) and furthermore I enjoy all the new eyecandy such as the glass aura's. DirectX 10 is going to be fantastic with the new Eve to be released (this version will be known as Eve Classic). If you are thinking of getting Vista, get the Ultimate.
P4 2.8 1 Gig 533 ram (soon to be 2) Radeon X1950 GT ($150 on sale) SoundBlaster Audigy.
With these modest specs, my system runs flawlessly.
Not running it personally however, on the AMD and anandtech forums, theres few negative comments about Vista so far. Oh yea, theres also a workaround to do a clean install from an upgrade disc.
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SavageThrash
Kemono.
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Posted - 2007.02.02 00:15:00 -
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Well i bought vista premium today and will probably install it in a bit, just trying to figure out what to backup and what not to.
BTW im not going to backup eve but i will backup wow so i dont have to DL it again :)
my sig lies
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Noig Lamaroz
Erasers inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.02 00:42:00 -
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Way too much text to read but to state something I've heard and what I feel.
a) some people claim that Vista is only way for dx10.. WRONG.. I tell you a little secret - a lot of games that require directx work under linux (eve is one of these) - and bingo! Microsoft has nothing to do with the systems that allow this to be done on linux (atleast what I know)
Anyway, when first dx10 games come (which will still take quite a time) - there will be coming quite soon "xp port" and stuff for xp's to run these games.. Time (and sales) will tell, if it's microsoft itself that does it - or some third party..
b) indeed - Vista (with Aero) requires a lot of power - many needs to upgrade their machine a lot.. Sure, it requires less without Aero - but who would be using it if it just looks xp.. Aero is one of the most hyped features of Vista..
c) and when you go and fry your mobo.. it's indeed a new license.. When with XP you could give MS a call and ask activation if it would start to whine about too changed system..
d) "it would be bad move from microsoft to do this and do that" - well guess what? Not everyone is a geek like you, majority of computer using people dont have a clue what happens "under the hood" nor do they need to.. If it works - it's enough for 'em.. It's bit like music industry's fight against piracy - the more you put in copy protections and stuff - more you shaft your regular customer..
In the end.. I know I wont be getting Vista.. Not that it sucks (but it does).. My machine just cant run it.. And if it could - well, Vista doesnt offer me anything I allready cant do with my current windows xp machine..
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.02.02 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: SavageThrash Well i bought vista premium today and will probably install it in a bit, just trying to figure out what to backup and what not to.
BTW im not going to backup eve but i will backup wow so i dont have to DL it again :)
Goddamned, dont backup wow! _________________________________________________ Breetime
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Goktar illiat
Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.02 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: Tribunal Of course it's going to have problems for a while, it's brand new software.
That's not the actual problem. The problem is that Microsoft INTENDED those problems. Tehy won;t fix them. They aren't bugs. It's intended to do all those things.
well documented facts your spewing here ... lol !
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Taedrin
Gallente The Last Ravens
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Posted - 2007.02.02 05:00:00 -
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All I want Microsoft to do, is give me a stripped down operating system designed to run as fast and light as possible. Give my games the CPU and memory that they need. I don't want an operating system taking up half of my RAM in the background, and happily consuming CPU cycles by the truckload.
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SavageThrash
Kemono.
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Posted - 2007.02.02 06:08:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin All I want Microsoft to do, is give me a stripped down operating system designed to run as fast and light as possible. Give my games the CPU and memory that they need. I don't want an operating system taking up half of my RAM in the background, and happily consuming CPU cycles by the truckload.
Id be all over that :) Then again we all know if the newest operating system ran on your old computer there is a major loss of cash there for the hardware companies, so why would AMD still be paying Microsoft to boost the minimum specs on the box (no i have no idea if they do)
I was hoping the basic version of vista would be the same old xp look with just the new code written for better preformance and not all this extra crap :(
my sig lies
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MrTriggerHappy
Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.02.02 14:33:00 -
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For those of you who want more info about "Why not to install Vista".. have fun
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6319845.stm --------------------------------
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Fredou
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.02.02 22:53:00 -
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funny thing with voice in vista..... sort of
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DaHeaVYFo
Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.02.03 00:20:00 -
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lol @ Vista, giving me a Kernel error on 2nd boot-up
39 processes running on this <curse> machine for Vista alone.
My Pc didn't want to shut down...
My microphone still isn't working, only in TS for some reason (logitech).
Windows Vista is OVERDONE with security! Overall Pampering windows design tbh, they've even created the diper for you... in case you'd run out.
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Pakalolo
Tha Shiznit
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Posted - 2007.02.03 00:29:00 -
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anyone else having trouble with folder redirection ie move documents folder to different drive and it breaks all the existing document folder shortcuts? Can't find a civ4 PBEM savegame, CIV4 says its saved, but nowhere to be found on any drive...
here's to the Action Pack subscription!
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Reiisha
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.03 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Armored DirectX 10 is going to be fantastic with the new Eve to be released (this version will be known as Eve Classic).
EVE Classic is the DX9 version, which will run on XP etc. This is the version you've seen all those screenshots from.
EVE Vista is the Vista version (duh), of which only artist impressions are available atm (I think there's a single Vexor shot, and it wasn't even real time).
EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
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MrTriggerHappy
Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.02.03 12:53:00 -
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IIRC the current client we use is DX7?
The new screen shots are running on DX9, as far as i remember.. i've read a post about it before. --------------------------------
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Krulla
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.03 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher It won't be perfect. Nothing ever will. Still, that does not mean we should not move forward.
Windows Vista is a huge step backward, not forward.
The moment you Install Vista, your computer ceases to be your property, and becomes the property of Hollywood companies and Microsoft. Sigs are for noobs. |
Battou
Caldari Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.03 20:24:00 -
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Well I installed Windows Vista Business since I can get it from MSDN for free. All I can say is that Vista is great, and that I didn't have a single prob with the install. I also had no driver conflicts as I booted to a OS with all the drivers pre-installed. Also fps went from 50-60 to 100+ in space. So don't buy it if you don't want to, but I probably wont go back to XP. Vista is just to nice.
Dual Core AMD Opteron @ 2.5 Gigs Sapphire X800 GTO2 2 Gigs Corsair Pc3200 Ram Asus A8N5X Motherboard 450w Antec Smartpower PSU Chenming 501 Case(Awesome Case BTW)
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Irrilian
Quetzalcoatl Inc
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Posted - 2007.02.04 01:11:00 -
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"Today I upgraded my ram from 1GB to 2GB..." - - - PIs and Forensic Accountants: adding risk vs reward for scams and thievery |
Armored
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.06 19:08:00 -
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YOU have issues, and it's not with Vista.
I have Vista Ultimate, runs fine.
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