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Reiisha Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:59:00 - [1] I think i'm finally getting convinced by the fact that Vista sucks. I'm an avid gamer, and after reading up on the ridiculous amount of processes that run on a Vista PC that you don't even need (and can't turn off), i won't be buying/installing Vista. But there are other reasons. 1. Vista will eventually require you to get new hardware, since the 'old' hardware (anything below a GeForce 7xxx/Radeon x1xxx for example) won't be able to pass Vista's 'protection' standards. In other words, you've being forced to buy hardware that some might not even use. 2. Vista will run a lot of processes that, by the looks of it, can't be turned off. Which results on drastically decreased performance in all areas. Vista actually requires a lot of resources to insure that nothing happens - Yes, you read that right! 3. Microsoft has gone nuts and has turned a reasonably stable and adjustable OS into a monstrosity that can only be used to play media that don't even exist yet, and even then it runs catastrophically bad. By buying Vista you will support these things. I don't know about you, but everything can run fine on Windows XP, and there has yet to be a single piece of (useful) programming that needs Vista to run. Even CCP still provides a Windows XP version of the new graphics engine, so to speak, so there is no real incentive to upgrade anyway, if you can even call it upgrading. So, what i'm asking of anyone who reads this is to pass on the word. To everyone, your family, your company, your friends, to simply ignore Vista. Have them ask for XP to be installed on new PC's instead of Vista, if they have to buy ready made PC's. And if you can't do that, help them buy a decent home-built PC that suits their needs. Just get MS to change Vista to how it should be and have them remove all this nonsense from what could be a good OS. Only way to get them to do that is to simply make Vista a fiasco. They won't try to push a product on people if it won't make money, after all. EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
Alundiel	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:02:00 - [2] Well ya.... but what about DX10 its darned useful and requires vista
Sul Sonic Caldari Mining Bytes Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:06:00 - [3] All I can say is that DX10 is a really convincing reason to get windows vista. -no sig :(
Tribunal FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:08:00 - [4] Of course it's going to have problems for a while, it's brand new software. "We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and applaud when they go by." - Will Rogers
Reiisha Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:08:00 - [5] Originally by: Alundiel Well ya.... but what about DX10 its darned useful and requires vista That's the point. Is it worth it having a game look good, but having an OS that requires you to buy stuff that limits what you can play? It will randomly restart your PC if it finds stuff that it doesn't like, and by the way it's programmed, that will happen a lot. Imagine playing Crysis with 15 crashes per hour because the voltage in the graphics card went up by 0.001 for 20ms. Well, i guess Vista is worth it, right? You can wait with DX10. There has been not a SINGLE screenshot or video of it yet. The FS10 screenshot was an artist impression, and EVERYTHING you've seen from Crysis is DX9. EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
Reiisha Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:09:00 - [6] Originally by: Tribunal Of course it's going to have problems for a while, it's brand new software. That's not the actual problem. The problem is that Microsoft INTENDED those problems. Tehy won;t fix them. They aren't bugs. It's intended to do all those things. EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
Alundiel Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:11:00 - [7] Edited by: Alundiel on 31/01/2007 06:07:49 Well I am running Windows XP X64 and my 7800s are dying and i didnt see any drivers for x64 for the new 8800gtx I got Why would the voltage thing matter anyhow? I overclock way more than that and my cpu still is fine ---edit-- Intended? wat the censored.... why would they intend for it to crash more than ME?
Reiisha Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:13:00 - [8] Originally by: Alundiel Edited by: Alundiel on 31/01/2007 06:07:49 Well I am running Windows XP X64 and my 7800s are dying and i didnt see any drivers for x64 for the new 8800gtx I got Why would the voltage thing matter anyhow? I overclock way more than that and my cpu still is fine ---edit-- Intended? wat the censored.... why would they intend for it to crash more than ME? Because they are worried that Hollywood companies will not be happy if a couple of people watch their movies on a copied DVD. That's all it's for. Vista requires more than double of XP's system requirements because of just this, copy protection. Imagine the protection system StarForce as an operating system, and then you know what Vista is like. EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
Alundiel Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Reiisha Originally by: Alundiel Edited by: Alundiel on 31/01/2007 06:07:49 Well I am running Windows XP X64 and my 7800s are dying and i didnt see any drivers for x64 for the new 8800gtx I got Why would the voltage thing matter anyhow? I overclock way more than that and my cpu still is fine ---edit-- Intended? wat the censored.... why would they intend for it to crash more than ME? Because they are worried that Hollywood companies will not be happy if a couple of people watch their movies on a copied DVD. That's all it's for. Vista requires more than double of XP's system requirements because of just this, copy protection. Imagine the protection system StarForce as an operating system, and then you know what Vista is like. I had some very bad experiences with starforce..... besides I like copied dvds, not to illegally get for 'free' but to have as backups because, lets face it, optical discs get scratched to hell if you arent careful.
Reiisha Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:18:00 - [10] Add to this that Vista only allows you to change your hardware a few times before you have to buy a new license. If your motherboard fries, you have to buy Vista again aswell... How stupid is that? EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
DarK STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.01.31 06:57:00 - [11] damn fascists. Let's all go and get linux once xp is too out of date!
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.01.31 07:13:00 - [12] Edited by: mazzilliu on 31/01/2007 07:09:19 i hear so many horror stories, but it just doesn't make any business sense for microsoft to do that. next time microsoft should just put a brick in a software box and ship that, it makes a little more sense(put less effort into something equally as useful). /me waits for vista hacks to make it usable GIVE ME BACK MY EXCLAMATION MARK PORTRAIT :( :( :( :( :( :(
Reiisha Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 08:24:00 - [13] Microsoft is after the money mostly, that's no secret. I think they made a balance of what the media industry paid them and how much customers they'd lose and factor that in in the costs. Apparently they think they've been paid more to make Vista into a glorified, bugged DVD player than making it an actual OS. "Zeal" is the word that comes to mind, really. The fact remains, MS botched it with this one. I wanted to give it a chance, i wanted to see DX10 in all it's glory. But really, the bad parts outweigh the only, slightly good part (after all, you need new hardware to use DX10 in the first place, and every game that's comming out for DX10 also has DX9 functionality). I think this kind of stuff is what made the Vanguard devs go to Sony - Imagine Vanguard to be only playable on Vista. The problems the OS causes by far outweigh the bad reputation SOE has imho. EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
Kazuo Ishiguro	Posted - 2007.01.31 08:41:00 - [14] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 31/01/2007 08:38:09 You might consider putting this link into the 1st post of the thread: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html An extensive and rather depressing analysis of things that could (and probably will) go wrong with Vista. The author is an experienced academic researcher, working on the design and analysis of cryptographic security architectures. ------ So you're lagged out in Motsu/Saila/Aramachi, but you want that CNR? Do missions for another corp!
MrTriggerHappy Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.31 08:56:00 - [15] Edited by: MrTriggerHappy on 31/01/2007 08:54:06 Hmm yeah I have to concur with the OP.. The only thing I like about Vista is the pretty pictures of that AERO interface..its nice, seriously. DX10.. well there's very few games at the moment which have it.. but again I really only play eve on the PC and for anything else.. I have my 360. There's no real reason to upgrade, Microsoft are only out to please the fat cats at the media stuido's with DRM, which is fair enough. But the one thing that really worries me about it. is how they do it. Microsoft can actually turn off a bit of hardware if they find your using it for illegal use! It may be nice and pretty.. but I can use Linux.. I do use linux and maybe one day Mac OSX wil go more main stream, so I have alternatives EDIT: There already is a way to get Mac OSX onto your PC.. but its not without a "Song and Dance" routine, nor is it supported by mac.. The Image hoster removed my siggy.. it'll be back on the weekend!! My Comments in no way reflect my corp or alliance
Tajidan Puppets on Steroids Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:15:00 - [16] "An apple a day, keeps windows away " No, seriously. The one and only reason why i use Windows, is to play EVE as well some other OldSchool games like DungeonKeeper, homeworld etc. I dont even spend one second about thinking to go Vista, a)Too expensive b)i¦m fine with my XP on OSX MacPRo c)i have a natural aversion against everything where Microsoft has its Fingers in it. For all the pure Windowsers i¦d recommend sticking with XP or better, buy a MAC
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:28:00 - [17] I have heard all the horror stories. I have read a lot of articles. I have weighed the pros and cons. I will be installing Vista. Why? Because whether or not it is buggy and whatnot right now is a moot issue. that's microsoft. I'm running on XP right now, and that's had some horrific bugs in it in its time. Vista has a bunch of features I'm interested in and look forward to using. It has compatabilities I find interesting and meed the requirements for. IT will support DX10, and as a prospective designer of videogames myself this is an ESPECIALLY important point for me. It won't be perfect. Nothing ever will. Still, that does not mean we should not move forward. ***
Reiisha Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:37:00 - [18] Originally by: Stitcher I have heard all the horror stories. I have read a lot of articles. I have weighed the pros and cons. I will be installing Vista. Why? Because whether or not it is buggy and whatnot right now is a moot issue. that's microsoft. I'm running on XP right now, and that's had some horrific bugs in it in its time. Vista has a bunch of features I'm interested in and look forward to using. It has compatabilities I find interesting and meed the requirements for. IT will support DX10, and as a prospective designer of videogames myself this is an ESPECIALLY important point for me. It won't be perfect. Nothing ever will. Still, that does not mean we should not move forward. I'm not saying to never upgrade. I'm saying to not upgrade untill we get the option to turn off the stuff we don't want or need. EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:39:00 - [19] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro You might consider putting this link into the 1st post of the thread: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html An extensive and rather depressing analysis of things that could (and probably will) go wrong with Vista. The author is an experienced academic researcher, working on the design and analysis of cryptographic security architectures. I am quoting this again because if you can read and understand this and still want to use Vista, something is wrong with you. -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Agamemnon Illearth	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:49:00 - [20] :) Your fighting a doomed battle here im afraid, there are a few features within Vista that i do not like. The amount of processes running 'can' be tunred off just as i strip XP of all its useless services i will be able to do the same with Vista. Also they have changed the harsh licensing rights to Vista. Your motherboard blowing will not cost you another copy of Vista (like youll be buying it anyway) For me it can be summed up as simple as. DX10 = YEAH DRM = BOO Im not gonna get my panties in a twist (thats right panties) because it has features i dont like cos god only knows XP had more than its fair share too. You all know youll be using it within the next three years anyway ;)
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:54:00 - [21] Originally by: Agamemnon Illearth You all know youll be using it within the next three years anyway ;) I am not using an operating system which locks me out of my own computer, ever. If I do, it will be because I have hacked it completely and removed all such "protection." -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Agnar Koladrov Gallente Hurricane Corporation	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:56:00 - [22] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro You might consider putting this link into the 1st post of the thread: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html An extensive and rather depressing analysis of things that could (and probably will) go wrong with Vista. The author is an experienced academic researcher, working on the design and analysis of cryptographic security architectures. I am quoting this again because if you can read and understand this and still want to use Vista, something is wrong with you. Tell that to the man in the street. Those ppl will buy Vista because it looks and feels fresh and they don`t care about the rest, till it refuses to work and then come and complain to me the 'techy'. People that know something about computers tend to think things over and weigh the concequences what a new OS brings. Thing is only a small percentage of the computer users are like this. Few days ago we here in Holland had a news topic on the telly where they praised Vista new look and feel, where some well known designers and lifestyle people talked about how wonderfull Vista LOOKED. Even the chief graphical designer had a say, he is Dutch btw. This really made me sick, it is fracking not about the looks of a fracking OS! But computers noobs will never get that, there is more to an OS then the looks. ________________________________________________ -- What a Revelation! -- Where was the creativty for speed/mass/etc when the tier2 Battlecruisers were designed? Why the same for each race BC?
Davlos Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:57:00 - [23] Edited by: Davlos on 31/01/2007 11:55:01 During my eight-month stint as an intern for an IT company, I got the opportunity to **** around with lots of stuff, like tweaking the firmware of a spanking new Xbox360 to make it play copied Xbox360 games (HA HA stupid firmware didn't get signed while the rest of hardware code did), and lots of fooling around with Win2k3 ISA and, of course, those silly Longhorn beta builds. For one thing though, I won't be bashing Micro$oft's programming department, because there are some really f*cking brilliant minds there. It's the moron producers who insist on several features (like the aforementioned 'security' and copy protection stuff) that increase the number of un-closeable processes immensely. Micro$oft touted Vista as a spanking new amazing platform for game development. By the looks of it, it will only slow things down horrendously. I don't even know what those jokers were smoking when they were sitting down to figure out the features. And, yes, oh my god, what the hell is wrong with the graphics hardware requirement. Micro$oft were also touting Vista to be some ultimate office app OS. Er. Yeah, sure. I'm a CEO of a huge company that will shell out an extra grand per computer so that my systems can run that new OS, and also run the risk of extremely reduced productivity (due to employees installing and playing games) because the systems are damn well capable of doing it! And, oh! Yeah! That shiny new stacking windows feature view thingaling? Mac OS can do it without the idiotic hardware requirements too! And to those who talk about having DX10 on Vista, there's already a way to install it on WinXP. ;) Just lots of fun registry tweaking to do. --------------- Davlos Cain 040
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:12:00 - [24] Edited by: Twilight Moon on 31/01/2007 12:13:22 I cant even say I like the new "look" of it. It looks plasticky, gimmicky, and altogether unneccessary to me. I like the Windows Classic look, it does the job of being an OS fine, its not an art gallery ffs. So no, I wont be buying it, not for a long long time. DRM is just a nightmare, solely designed to give the fat cats in the media business bigger pockets. About a year ago, IIRC the EU wanted the DRM removed from Vista, before it was put on sale. I'm guessing that they dropped that idea sadly. The potential for what DRM could become is simply just too great. I use a PC to run what I want to run on it, not so that I can run what Microsoft and Friends want me to run. Originally by: Tisanta i cry when i read your sig...
Weebear The Bowrey	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:46:00 - [25] Originally by: Reiisha Add to this that Vista only allows you to change your hardware a few times before you have to buy a new license. If your motherboard fries, you have to buy Vista again aswell... How stupid is that? Surely it will just be the same as XP where you will need to activate by telephone if the hardware changes too many times, and not that you need to buy a new license?
Crumplecorn Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:14:00 - [26] Originally by: Davlos And to those who talk about having DX10 on Vista, there's already a way to install it on WinXP. ;) Just lots of fun registry tweaking to do. Elaborate? ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
GouldFish Unscoped Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:22:00 - [27] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Agamemnon Illearth You all know youll be using it within the next three years anyway ;) I am not using an operating system which locks me out of my own computer, ever. If I do, it will be because I have hacked it completely and removed all such "protection." Then stop using XP, because what is in Vista is extended version of what is already in XP. These DRM (or content protection system as they call it) is only used and turned on when content protected media is displayed. As for having to buy hardware to play the video, that false you can still play the video but it will not be at full resolution because the content providers has set out in there copy protection that anything over a set resoultion can only be played via HDMI with locked tocken. So it's not MS's fault that you need to hardware it's the content makers. MS are trying to make the best of a bad situation and atleast giving the users a chance to play the video at all.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:22:00 - [28] Originally by: Crumplecorn No it won't, it its too different, it can't physically function with windows XP drivers n' stuff. Microsoft wants you to believe, yes... -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:24:00 - [29] Originally by: GouldFish Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Agamemnon Illearth You all know youll be using it within the next three years anyway ;) I am not using an operating system which locks me out of my own computer, ever. If I do, it will be because I have hacked it completely and removed all such "protection." Then stop using XP, because what is in Vista is extended version of what is already in XP. No its not. XP has no kernel-level copy protection at all. All copy protection is within the programs themselves, which one can choose whether or not to use. -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
GouldFish Unscoped Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:28:00 - [30] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: GouldFish Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Agamemnon Illearth You all know youll be using it within the next three years anyway ;) I am not using an operating system which locks me out of my own computer, ever. If I do, it will be because I have hacked it completely and removed all such "protection." Then stop using XP, because what is in Vista is extended version of what is already in XP. No its not. XP has no kernel-level copy protection at all. All copy protection is within the programs themselves, which one can choose whether or not to use. look into again, XP has a content protection system in place that is used for macrovision etc, which can already do things like turn of the SP/DIF connection.

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