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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
186
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Posted - 2016.02.13 13:44:32 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Lan Wang wrote:
no it ever wont be a requirement to have max skills to pvp, who even cares about skills in pvp?
it used to be like that , but now when it is possible to everyone have max skills for ship and fit it will be requirement for everyone. You will see.
Agreed, eve is a capitalism simulator (with spaceship fighting). If you're not competitive you WILL lose, adapt or die and all that.
A case for more AoE in EvE
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Gliese Casserres
Fistful of Finns Paisti Syndicate
41
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Posted - 2016.02.13 14:52:04 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Gliese Casserres wrote:Training my first and second racial cruiser to 5 felt like an accomplishment. When I sucked the mining- and rock related skills out of my toons and got third racial cruiser with the free SP it didn't offer any similar satisfaction - It was too easy. Eve used to be hunt for isk and wait for sp and content, now it feels like the sole purpose is to hunt for isk. make the sole purpose to hunt for content, just because skills can be bought and sold doesnt mean you have to jump on the band wagon and actually do it, if you feel it has ruined your game then stop doing it, its pretty simple, nobody is forcing you to sell sp thats your own greed taking over. Not selling, I'm buying, hence the greed. How can one even resist taking a quick route to catch up with doctrines...
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Divine Entervention
Hunters Elite Krab Republic
815
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Posted - 2016.02.13 15:44:06 -
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Well it's only been a couple of days and I've only dumped about 20billion isk worth of injectors into my character, but here's my thoughts:
nice
I feel better. I have more options, more opportunities.
I'm playing the game a lot more than I was. My activity level had practically dropped to zero for the last month, but since Tuesday it's spiked back up to where it was when I first started playing.
I don't know how long this will last though. Maybe it's the novelty of the new possibilities I'm capable of that's compelling me to play. Maybe it's the confidence I have in my character's lack of core weaknesses. Maybe it's simply me forcing myself to get a return out of the money I've invested.
I'm having fun though. EvE has consumed me again, taking the place of Darkest Dungeon and Rocket League. Hopefully it will continue to last, though I know nothing ever does. Journey before Destination and what not, I'll try to enjoy the ride wherever it ends up taking me.
Also, just for the record I'm better at everything than all of you and if you would all please stop being incredibly jealous of my superiority, all of us could enjoy ourselves for who we are regardless of your shortcomings in comparison to my greatness. |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
4383
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Posted - 2016.02.13 16:28:36 -
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I just saw something like this in Hek Local: "returning player 75mill combat SP. Looking for decent active pvp corp." [Emphasis added]. How quaint. And kind of sad.
Joen: "If everthing is imperfect in this world, love is perfect in its imperfection."
Drunken blacksmith: "You're lucky. You believe in your own twaddle."
Joen: "Who says I believe it? I just like giving advice."
-The Seventh Seal
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Dyllan Ma'tar
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
11
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Posted - 2016.02.13 18:01:37 -
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Algarion Getz wrote:How is skill trading distribution of wealth?
Twist ending: sp was the only real wealth you ever had.
> Do not stubbornly rebel against the ways of the world. Do not mindlessly follow the ways of the world. Think lightly of yourself and think deeply of the world. You can abandon your own body, but never let go of your honor. Miyamoto Musashi, Dokkodo
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Captain Grantkarppe
No Laws Apply
40
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Posted - 2016.02.14 02:50:08 -
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I've been saying this ever since the mere notion of skill trading was raised back in October. Suffice it to say I am going to enjoy seeing my concerns vindicated as the game's population declines sharply over the next few months. |
Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
579
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Posted - 2016.02.14 04:08:25 -
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Captain Grantkarppe wrote:
You've successfully dealt a potentially killing blow to your game, CCP.
ANOTHER killing blow. The whole "**** off vets, we are giving it to the noobs" attitude of the new management is quite visible to me every Sunday when I log on and see 15k-20k LESS people online than just a few years ago.
Being in Goonswarm is not what the majority of the players in eve want to do CCP, obviously hard for you to comprehend, but just look at your paid subs. Just keep thinking that everybody wants to spend their game time in a giant lag fest in null while ganking defenseless haulers in high sec with alts and watch the numbers fall.
It was lots of fun at times. With this brilliant move you make all our YEARS of skill training meaningless. Now you are gonna kill the last bastion of the solo Indy player with Citadels. I haven't payed real money to play in a few years now, down from 10 accounts to 3 and counting down. Just spending my accumulated wealth.
I just don't see a future for me in this game anymore.
I am really kinda surprised you didn't make a mini-game out of it. Skill Spew at Jita 4-4. Extra SP if you fly a armor tanker with shield mods and a mix of lasers, hybrids and launchers.
Who are you people and what happened to the people that understood this game and made it work well?
Nerf Goons
Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
471
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Posted - 2016.02.14 08:05:19 -
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Mistah Ewedynao wrote:Captain Grantkarppe wrote:
You've successfully dealt a potentially killing blow to your game, CCP.
ANOTHER killing blow. The whole "**** off vets, we are giving it to the noobs" attitude of the new management is quite visible to me every Sunday when I log on and see 15k-20k LESS people online than just a few years ago. Being in Goonswarm is not what the majority of the players in eve want to do CCP, obviously hard for you to comprehend, but just look at your paid subs. Just keep thinking that everybody wants to spend their game time in a giant lag fest in null while ganking defenseless haulers in high sec with alts and watch the numbers fall. It was lots of fun at times. With this brilliant move you make all our YEARS of skill training meaningless. Now you are gonna kill the last bastion of the solo Indy player with Citadels. I haven't payed real money to play in a few years now, down from 10 accounts to 3 and counting down. Just spending my accumulated wealth. I just don't see a future for me in this game anymore. I am really kinda surprised you didn't make a mini-game out of it. Skill Spew at Jita 4-4. Extra SP if you fly a armor tanker with shield mods and a mix of lasers, hybrids and launchers. Who are you people and what happened to the people that understood this game and made it work well? I plan to do the exact same thing. I'm gonna strip the SP of my alts, power up Dani and sell off the rest SP and just pew the rest of my wealth away. Once my game resources have been exhausted, I'm done.
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
292
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Posted - 2016.02.14 08:18:22 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Mistah Ewedynao wrote:Captain Grantkarppe wrote:
You've successfully dealt a potentially killing blow to your game, CCP.
ANOTHER killing blow. The whole "**** off vets, we are giving it to the noobs" attitude of the new management is quite visible to me every Sunday when I log on and see 15k-20k LESS people online than just a few years ago. Being in Goonswarm is not what the majority of the players in eve want to do CCP, obviously hard for you to comprehend, but just look at your paid subs. Just keep thinking that everybody wants to spend their game time in a giant lag fest in null while ganking defenseless haulers in high sec with alts and watch the numbers fall. It was lots of fun at times. With this brilliant move you make all our YEARS of skill training meaningless. Now you are gonna kill the last bastion of the solo Indy player with Citadels. I haven't payed real money to play in a few years now, down from 10 accounts to 3 and counting down. Just spending my accumulated wealth. I just don't see a future for me in this game anymore. I am really kinda surprised you didn't make a mini-game out of it. Skill Spew at Jita 4-4. Extra SP if you fly a armor tanker with shield mods and a mix of lasers, hybrids and launchers. Who are you people and what happened to the people that understood this game and made it work well? I plan to do the exact same thing. I'm gonna strip the SP of my alts, power up Dani and sell off the rest SP and just pew the rest of my wealth away. Once my game resources have been exhausted, I'm done.
stop planning and do it already, geez...
Just Add Water
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
471
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Posted - 2016.02.14 08:59:40 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:Mistah Ewedynao wrote:Captain Grantkarppe wrote:
You've successfully dealt a potentially killing blow to your game, CCP.
ANOTHER killing blow. The whole "**** off vets, we are giving it to the noobs" attitude of the new management is quite visible to me every Sunday when I log on and see 15k-20k LESS people online than just a few years ago. Being in Goonswarm is not what the majority of the players in eve want to do CCP, obviously hard for you to comprehend, but just look at your paid subs. Just keep thinking that everybody wants to spend their game time in a giant lag fest in null while ganking defenseless haulers in high sec with alts and watch the numbers fall. It was lots of fun at times. With this brilliant move you make all our YEARS of skill training meaningless. Now you are gonna kill the last bastion of the solo Indy player with Citadels. I haven't payed real money to play in a few years now, down from 10 accounts to 3 and counting down. Just spending my accumulated wealth. I just don't see a future for me in this game anymore. I am really kinda surprised you didn't make a mini-game out of it. Skill Spew at Jita 4-4. Extra SP if you fly a armor tanker with shield mods and a mix of lasers, hybrids and launchers. Who are you people and what happened to the people that understood this game and made it work well? I plan to do the exact same thing. I'm gonna strip the SP of my alts, power up Dani and sell off the rest SP and just pew the rest of my wealth away. Once my game resources have been exhausted, I'm done. stop planning and do it already, geez... Sorry Nat, I'm normally not a whiner but CCP has really done it this time.
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Scotchmo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2016.02.14 21:33:53 -
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So I take it with the new skill trading that t3 cruisers downside (loss of sp) can now be overcome with an additional 600mil on the hull price.
Is this intended? This seems as close to gold ammo as there can be without actually calling it gold ammo. |
Tetsel
Heretic Army I N F A M O U S
230
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Posted - 2016.02.14 23:49:35 -
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Michael Turate wrote:You can't buy social skills, intelligence, cunning, the ability to work in a team, communication, tactics or any of the stuff that really matters in Eve. There have never been short cuts in Eve. There still aren't, there's just an enormously expensive alternative route that looks like a short cut but which, for most, will just be a dead end.
So why bother ? we should ask CCP to stop this stupid skill stuff and just give all of the players maxed out pilots then.
Loyal servent to Mother Amamake.
@EVE_Tetsel
Another Bittervet Please Ignore
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Osmonde Jr
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.02.15 01:33:24 -
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This is so entertaining, all the butt hurt over skill trading and predictions that the game is going to die now. After reading all 7 pages I still can't understand what the butt hurt is about. I am guessing the only thing to measure a persons progress in this game was apparently the SP that you accumulated. |
Demica Diaz
SE-1
219
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Posted - 2016.02.15 09:25:10 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:A 4-day-old character lost his 10-billion Ark yesterday. SP != Skill. SP does not teach you anything, it only enables you to do certain things.
Skill trading is not pay to win. Those who think otherwise are the ones that will lose all their money and be podded back to World of Warcraft, where they belong. It is pay to win. Newbs lose capitals all the time but so do experienced players. losing a ship to a gank does not negate the fact you can pay for SP. given certain alliances have trillions and trillions of isk and can generate trillions more each day EvE will now be about buying skillpoints and whomever can afford the most to max out their doctrine fleets will be the winners.
I agree. It is pay to win. What baffels me is that so many fail to see beyond PvP aspect. Skill pumped newbro explorer will be winning "regular" newbro in exploration in every way. Scan faster, fly bubble immune T3 in null, has more virus strenght to succeed in minigame... and so on. |
Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
214
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Posted - 2016.02.15 09:43:33 -
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Osmonde Jr wrote:This is so entertaining, all the butt hurt over skill trading and predictions that the game is going to die now. After reading all 7 pages I still can't understand what the butt hurt is about. I am guessing the only thing to measure a persons progress in this game was apparently the SP that you accumulated.
SP didn't measure progress it measured the time you'd put into your character. Nobody else cared about your SP but to you every skill you train gives you a sense of progression / "accomplishment" especially since some ca take a month, it's a mental trick to reward you for continuing to play. Now everyone is realising that SP no longer holds the same value it once had, rich players can buy their way instantly to any desired skill set, and if you can't well too bad eve isn't made for poors like you. This knowledge cheapens the entire experience for many people who were looking for something deeper than a mechanically simple, slow paced, lock-f1, spreadsheet simulator. Eve of old felt like a real living world. That depth helped people look past it's failings, stripping out depth exposes the less than great parts that will continue to put off new players.
A case for more AoE in EvE
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2471
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Posted - 2016.02.15 09:45:17 -
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Demica Diaz wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:A 4-day-old character lost his 10-billion Ark yesterday. SP != Skill. SP does not teach you anything, it only enables you to do certain things.
Skill trading is not pay to win. Those who think otherwise are the ones that will lose all their money and be podded back to World of Warcraft, where they belong. It is pay to win. Newbs lose capitals all the time but so do experienced players. losing a ship to a gank does not negate the fact you can pay for SP. given certain alliances have trillions and trillions of isk and can generate trillions more each day EvE will now be about buying skillpoints and whomever can afford the most to max out their doctrine fleets will be the winners. I agree. It is pay to win. What baffels me is that so many fail to see beyond PvP aspect. Skill pumped newbro explorer will be winning "regular" newbro in exploration in every way. Scan faster, fly bubble immune T3 in null, has more virus strenght to succeed in minigame... and so on.
its not pay2win because its already available within the game with no restrictions
"Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus
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Angel Cartel || Serpentis
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
307
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Posted - 2016.02.15 09:46:52 -
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Demica Diaz wrote:I agree. It is pay to win. What baffels me is that so many fail to see beyond PvP aspect. Skill pumped newbro explorer will be winning "regular" newbro in exploration in every way. Scan faster, fly bubble immune T3 in null, has more virus strenght to succeed in minigame... and so on.
scan faster? lol, there's alot of empty space out there that there shouldn't be any competition at all. what's the difference between level 4 to 5 of scanning skills anyway to make it as big as an advantage?
flying through buubles are considered winning now?
virus strength? lol, see answer # 1.
Just Add Water
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Osmonde Jr
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.02.15 17:22:27 -
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Mr Mieyli wrote:Osmonde Jr wrote:This is so entertaining, all the butt hurt over skill trading and predictions that the game is going to die now. After reading all 7 pages I still can't understand what the butt hurt is about. I am guessing the only thing to measure a persons progress in this game was apparently the SP that you accumulated. SP didn't measure progress it measured the time you'd put into your character. Nobody else cared about your SP but to you every skill you train gives you a sense of progression / "accomplishment" especially since some ca take a month, it's a mental trick to reward you for continuing to play. Now everyone is realising that SP no longer holds the same value it once had, rich players can buy their way instantly to any desired skill set, and if you can't well too bad eve isn't made for poors like you. This knowledge cheapens the entire experience for many people who were looking for something deeper than a mechanically simple, slow paced, lock-f1, spreadsheet simulator. Eve of old felt like a real living world. That depth helped people look past it's failings, stripping out depth exposes the less than great parts that will continue to put off new players.
It wasn't like that before? I remember when I joined in 08, I just bought a 40 million pvp toon (thanks to gtc's) and then beat on people that were new to the game or just learning pvp until an actual pvper put me in my place. So rich players buying into a skill set didn't change and I bet once people stop dumping the skill injectors on the market I bet it would cost the same amount as it did in 08.
I never measured sp as progress if not more of a hindrance, the mental trick for me is being able to not restrain myself in just on one type of game play, like people here who only mission or "generate isk". All these tears (which are immensely satisfying) sounds like they belong in a theme park mmo since the big draw for me in Eve is the sand box content and me creating my own content. I think skill trading finally woken some people up that they never really had much with Eve to begin with, as it really is irrelevant that some person dropped $300 to boost their toon to 50 million sp as they will still lack experience and it doesn't hinder my game play.
My point might be all over the place and I apologize. But I haven't seen one person is all 7 pages just like on /eve make one decent point on how skill trading is detrimental to game play. As for putting off new players it all depends on if they are going to limit themselves. This game is a sand box and you have to create your own content and if you are incapable of that that, then there is theme park mmo's that will have content available for you and no "p2w" with some that isn't f2p so you can keep you epeen of progression or time invested in your toon w/e. |
Alea
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
220
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Posted - 2016.02.15 17:29:04 -
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Osmonde Jr wrote:This is so entertaining, all the butt hurt over skill trading and predictions that the game is going to die now. After reading all 7 pages I still can't understand what the butt hurt is about. I am guessing the only thing to measure a persons progress in this game was apparently the SP that you accumulated.
Age of a character was a form of intel on possible skills and abilities, now age is useless as a person can now buy what they want instead of earning it over time, earning skills was honorable but now it's money in CCPs pocket, in essence they sold the soul of Eve, HTFU is no longer a part of Eve as long as you have RL money to buy the level you want to be at.
SP trading is a form of pay to win, what comes next since this has gone over so well with the instant gratification kiddies.? If a shady pay to win scheme works why not a more blatant pay to win scheme,?
If CCP introduced a name change for PLEX that would have been good, or at the most the ability to shuffle your own SP around on the same character that would have been somewhat tolerable, but buying skills for your character is flat out wrong for Eve, that's why it is dying as it's no longer a niche game as a new player can come in and buy there way to a level they can afford, pay to win.
Whomever is making the last couple years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
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Josef Djugashvilis
3283
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Posted - 2016.02.15 17:39:26 -
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Lan Wang wrote:do we really need anymore discussion posts about sp trading sheesh.
If you think eve is pay2win then get a newbro to fly a max level raven into lowsec/null and see if he wins
Why is the assumption always that it will be a clueless new player who will buy skills - buy a ship and fittings and get hammered?
Why could it not be a player of a few months who has some knowledge of pvp, who buys the skills to jump up a few ship - gun skill grades etc and in doing so gain an 'unfair' advantage over those of similar experience who cannot afford, or will not deal in cash for skills?
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Alea
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
220
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Posted - 2016.02.15 17:56:20 -
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Lan Wang wrote:
its not pay2win because its already available within the game with no restrictions
The character bazaar is not the same animal as buying SP, someone put time into training that character on the bazaar, buyers of SP are artificially enhancing there own character with no time of there own invested, pay to win.
Whomever is making the last couple years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2605
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Posted - 2016.02.15 18:01:50 -
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Alea wrote:Lan Wang wrote:
its not pay2win because its already available within the game with no restrictions
The character bazaar is not the same animal as buying SP, someone put time into training that character on the bazaar, buyers of SP are artificially enhancing there own character with no time of there own invested, pay to win.
The SP has to come from another character so the time was invested before. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2605
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Posted - 2016.02.15 18:04:48 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Lan Wang wrote:do we really need anymore discussion posts about sp trading sheesh.
If you think eve is pay2win then get a newbro to fly a max level raven into lowsec/null and see if he wins Why is the assumption always that it will be a clueless new player who will buy skills - buy a ship and fittings and get hammered? Why could it not be a player of a few months who has some knowledge of pvp, who buys the skills to jump up a few ship - gun skill grades etc and in doing so gain an 'unfair' advantage over those of similar experience who cannot afford, or will not deal in cash for skills?
That guy could of bought a maxed character for that ship out of the bazaar. |
Alea
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
220
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Posted - 2016.02.15 18:05:14 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Alea wrote:Lan Wang wrote:
its not pay2win because its already available within the game with no restrictions
The character bazaar is not the same animal as buying SP, someone put time into training that character on the bazaar, buyers of SP are artificially enhancing there own character with no time of there own invested, pay to win. The SP has to come from another character so the time was invested before.
But not from the person injecting the SP, that's the point.
Whomever is making the last couple years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2605
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Posted - 2016.02.15 18:11:07 -
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Alea wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Alea wrote:Lan Wang wrote:
its not pay2win because its already available within the game with no restrictions
The character bazaar is not the same animal as buying SP, someone put time into training that character on the bazaar, buyers of SP are artificially enhancing there own character with no time of there own invested, pay to win. The SP has to come from another character so the time was invested before. But not from the person injecting the SP, that's the point.
The bazaar character was also not trained by the player using it. Player A was training character B to sell to player C. Now, player A will train and extract SP on character B to sell to player C so he can dump them on character D. The investment is not done by the final player but it was not before either. |
Osmonde Jr
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.02.15 18:34:17 -
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Alea wrote:Osmonde Jr wrote:This is so entertaining, all the butt hurt over skill trading and predictions that the game is going to die now. After reading all 7 pages I still can't understand what the butt hurt is about. I am guessing the only thing to measure a persons progress in this game was apparently the SP that you accumulated. Age of a character was a form of intel on possible skills and abilities, now age is useless as a person can now buy what they want instead of earning it over time, earning skills was honorable but now it's money in CCPs pocket, in essence they sold the soul of Eve, HTFU is no longer a part of Eve as long as you have RL money to buy the level you want to be at. SP trading is a form of pay to win, what comes next since this has gone over so well with the instant gratification kiddies.? If a shady pay to win scheme works why not a more blatant pay to win scheme,? If CCP introduced a name change for PLEX that would have been good, or at the most the ability to shuffle your own SP around on the same character that would have been somewhat tolerable, but buying skills for your character is flat out wrong for Eve, that's why it is dying as it's no longer a niche game as a new player can come in and buy there way to a level they can afford, pay to win.
Your post proves my point that there really is no basis in this anger. Age of a char was "possible" intel but the ship he was flying in was more reliable information. If you just went off age alone you would assume that my char is 150 million ,but in reality it is 50 as I was gone for 5 years. So the question I must ask is why did you join Eve post 08? I just instant gratified myself by picking up a pvp toon right out the gate and no restrictions and funded all my purchases with gtc's. I would consider that p2w as I was stomping on new bros all day long until someone who actually knew how to pvp showed me up.
Also good one, earning skill "honorable" . Are you going to rp this argument? Tell me how it is dishonurbur for me to get new kids to go to low sec to mission with me? Or me suicide ganking miners? Or scamming people in Jita? Or stealing from a pve corporation? Well guess HTFU was never part of Eve since 08 as I funded all my purchases in GTC's and stomped on people who couldn't afford to buy one and had to mine or mission to plex their account.
That is why I have a hard time understanding these arguments and I take so much enjoyment from this thread. I love the temper tantrums that really have no basis as for some reason it never dawned on people that it was possible since 08 for people to purchase a high lvl character and I didn't do just one, I gotten multiples.
Also, it wasn't newbros that bought all that sp it is current players and returning players that liquidated their alts. If newbros are smart and there was no sp trading they would just do the same thing I did and still stomp on people that are less experienced. I am quite entertained. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Snuffed Out
4530
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Posted - 2016.02.15 18:48:17 -
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Alea wrote:now age is useless as a person can now buy what they want instead of earning it over time, earning skills was honorable but now it's money in CCPs pocket, i'm getting 2700 honour/hour atm
the abbreviation is hr/hr btw the first hr is honour |
Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
328
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Posted - 2016.02.15 18:54:38 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Alea wrote:now age is useless as a person can now buy what they want instead of earning it over time, earning skills was honorable but now it's money in CCPs pocket, i'm getting 2700 honour/hour atm the abbreviation is hr/hr btw the first hr is honour
Why use a car to go to the shops, surely it's more honourable to walk.
Times change, just as well as we would all be still in caves. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Snuffed Out
4530
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Posted - 2016.02.15 18:59:05 -
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obviously the republic university doesn't teach advanced honour |
stg slate
We're Kind of a Big Deal
48
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Posted - 2016.02.15 18:59:35 -
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Avvy wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Alea wrote:now age is useless as a person can now buy what they want instead of earning it over time, earning skills was honorable but now it's money in CCPs pocket, i'm getting 2700 honour/hour atm the abbreviation is hr/hr btw the first hr is honour Why use a car to go to the shops, surely it's more honourable to walk. Times change, just as well as we would all be still in caves.
but...but...but mah honour!
How will I feel superior about my strict adherence to space bushido? |
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