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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.02.16 16:50:48 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:
1- Buy PLEX 2- Sell PLEX on market 3- Buy character 4- Skip grind 5- ??????? 6- Profit
So let me ask you a question. Do you think that after sp trading has been around for a while, that more peopel will do the above, or skill trading?
Because that's the whole point. CCP took something that was possible but NOT widley used and turned it into something that IS widely used. Like all things, a little bit of something might be ok where as a lot of it might be bad.
PLEX and the Character Bazaar were (borderline) ok. SP trading isn't, because it takes something (SP) that could only be converted into in game wealth via a convoluted process and streamlined it. Now you have people who would have NEVER sold a toon stipping those toons of now valuable SP, creating another avenue of wealth.
And who has toons to strip? Why, it's established players. Who doesn't have old spare toons to strip? Why it's the new players that this was supposed to help. NOW they have a way to pump cash into CCP (true), but also a way to pump isk to the LAST people who need more wealth.
And all in exchange for skillpoints, that don't make you better at the game (though the new player thinks it does), sitting the new player up for disappointment (as they produce hilarious killmails for vets to laugh at on some Goon website or another). You think disappointment is good for a game?
The problem with shortsightedness is that you can't prove to the short sighted that they are indeed that until after the bad things that were predicted happen. It's like when CCP proposes a nerf, some in the community says "don't do that", CCP does it anyways, it proves to be as unbalanced as people said it would be, and CCP has to spend time and money "iterating" on it later on (when they could have just got it right from the get go) lol. It keeps happening and it's going ti happen this time too. |
Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
329
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Posted - 2016.02.16 16:58:09 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: [ Because that's the whole point. CCP took something that was possible but NOT widley used and turned it into something that IS widely used. Like all things, a little bit of something might be ok where as a lot of it might be bad.
Actually it was used quite a bit, when I saw the figures of sales that CCP quoted somewhere, I was very surprised.
It was a lot more than I had perceived. |
pajedas
145
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Posted - 2016.02.16 17:08:00 -
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RMT is BAD!!!
Really, the only difference is that CCP wants to corner the market.
They are the very essence of RMT now.
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
329
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Posted - 2016.02.16 17:09:35 -
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pajedas wrote:RMT is BAD!!!
Really, the only difference is that CCP wants to corner the market.
They are the very essence of RMT now.
They're just getting in tune with other companies.
At least they kept it in the player market. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2610
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Posted - 2016.02.16 17:13:24 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:
1- Buy PLEX 2- Sell PLEX on market 3- Buy character 4- Skip grind 5- ??????? 6- Profit
So let me ask you a question. Do you think that after sp trading has been around for a while, that more peopel will do the above, or skill trading? Because that's the whole point. CCP took something that was possible but NOT widley used and turned it into something that IS widely used. Like all things, a little bit of something might be ok where as a lot of it might be bad. PLEX and the Character Bazaar were (borderline) ok. SP trading isn't, because it takes something (SP) that could only be converted into in game wealth via a convoluted process and streamlined it. Now you have people who would have NEVER sold a toon stipping those toons of now valuable SP, creating another avenue of wealth. And who has toons to strip? Why, it's established players. Who doesn't have old spare toons to strip? Why it's the new players that this was supposed to help. NOW they have a way to pump cash into CCP (true), but also a way to pump isk to the LAST people who need more wealth. And all in exchange for skillpoints, that don't make you better at the game (though the new player thinks it does), sitting the new player up for disappointment (as they produce hilarious killmails for vets to laugh at on some Goon website or another). You think disappointment is good for a game? The problem with shortsightedness is that you can't prove to the short sighted that they are indeed that until after the bad things that were predicted happen. It's like when CCP proposes a nerf, some in the community says "don't do that", CCP does it anyways, it proves to be as unbalanced as people said it would be, and CCP has to spend time and money "iterating" on it later on (when they could have just got it right from the get go) lol. It keeps happening and it's going ti happen this time too.
People will do both because they each have their up side. Alts offer utility a character bloated with SP does not. Simple stuff like not having to be in your corp for any high sec business will be valued. Alts will also still be valued for any task that can scale with character number. The people who will be dissapointed in the result of their "maxed" character as they get blown up will be the same as if they did it over moths to get to the same point. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2610
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Posted - 2016.02.16 17:15:18 -
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pajedas wrote:RMT is BAD!!!
Really, the only difference is that CCP wants to corner the market.
They are the very essence of RMT now.
Now?
Really? Now?
SP transfer make them the essence of RMT but not PLEX? Skins? Monocle? Space barbie accessories? The line really is at SP transfer where they become the essence of RMT? |
pajedas
145
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Posted - 2016.02.16 17:17:57 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:pajedas wrote:RMT is BAD!!!
Really, the only difference is that CCP wants to corner the market.
They are the very essence of RMT now.
Now? Really? Now? SP transfer make them the essence of RMT but not PLEX? Skins? Monocle? Space barbie accessories? The line really is at SP transfer where they become the essence of RMT? Draw the line wherever you like, makes no difference to me.
I know what I know and you "think" you know what I know :-/
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
13666
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Posted - 2016.02.16 17:25:29 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote: The people who will be dissapointed in the result of their "maxed" character as they get blown up will be the same as if they did it over moths to get to the same point.
They will have had months to learn. That's the difference.
There is a real world example. Most people who become rich in real life through a life of hard work (and probably some cunning/cheating) stay rich. Most people who get rich quick (like winning the lottery, playing professions sports, entertainers etc) end up broke within a few years. It's because the person who got gradually rich developed skills needed to cope with being rich. The 'fast rich' are just poor people with money...that they soon lose.
Skill injected newbies will experience the same things those lottery winners did. That's what I was saying to you. TIME is valuable, and taking time to build up makes for better players, and better experiences for those players.
This is SP trading. (Thanks reddit lol)
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2610
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Posted - 2016.02.16 17:31:54 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote: The people who will be dissapointed in the result of their "maxed" character as they get blown up will be the same as if they did it over moths to get to the same point. They will have had months to learn. That's the difference. There is a real world example. Most people who become rich in real life through a life of hard work (and probably some cunning/cheating) stay rich. Most people who get rich quick (like winning the lottery, playing professional sports, entertainers etc) end up broke within a few years. It's because the person who got gradually rich developed skills needed to cope with being rich. The 'fast rich' are just poor people with money...that they soon lose. Skill injected newbies will experience the same things those lottery winners did. That's what I was saying to you. TIME is valuable, and taking time to build up makes for better players, and better experiences for those players. This is SP trading. (Thanks reddit lol)
People are still dissapointed at losing their freighter after years of playing. Time don't change them if they weren't open minded about it in the first place. |
Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
329
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Posted - 2016.02.16 17:36:44 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:
People are still dissapointed at losing their freighter after years of playing. Time don't change them if they weren't open minded about it in the first place.
There's no point dwelling on the past, they should just think about what happened, learn from it an move forward.
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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
412
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Posted - 2016.02.16 17:40:54 -
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Avvy wrote:Eli Stan wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:That way of progressing (rather than grinding for or paying for "skills/experience" like in other games) slowed the game down, and gave actions meaning. Am I correct in thinking that you would object to SP trading even if the Extractors were free? That is, don't involve any real-world money cost? (And would you object to SP trading if PLEX and AUR didn't exist at all?) The extractors not being free don't matter, although they are not cosmetic items they are just containers.
Okay, so what I'm hearing is that you don't object to there being an AUR cost associated with SP trading - rather, you object to SP trading being possible at all. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
13667
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Posted - 2016.02.16 18:23:39 -
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Eli Stan wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:That way of progressing (rather than grinding for or paying for "skills/experience" like in other games) slowed the game down, and gave actions meaning. Am I correct in thinking that you would object to SP trading even if the Extractors were free? That is, don't involve any real-world money cost? (And would you object to SP trading if PLEX and AUR didn't exist at all?)
If they were free (meaning someone could extract from a toon they own and give to another they own at a cost, or give away for free to some other play) then no, I would not object. If they dropped from NPCs I would not object either. Skill points don't mean much and are not sacrosanct.
But the way this has been down creates a source of wealth that wasn't' easily tapped before. A source exclusively in the hands of established players (like me, i have 4 accounts), one that regenerates itself at the tune of 2200 sp per hour, and one that stacks yet more wealth into a game that already has WAY too many wealth (including isk) faucets. Too much wealth (no matter how it's distributed) cheapens everything in the game.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9892
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Posted - 2016.02.16 18:25:20 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: Skill injected newbies will experience the same things those lottery winners did. That's what I was saying to you. TIME is valuable, and taking time to build up makes for better players, and better experiences for those players.
Too bad that you are part of the problem and not the solution.Jenn aSide wrote: I've got 20 bil in my wallet just from selling unwanted SP from alts I don't even use, and this is without touching my main characters (the 4 I use everytime I log in) or the 4 other alts I sometimes use. But last night it was like 'what's the point, it's not like I need the isk lol'. If you feel so strongly that it's a bad mechanic that is bad for new players, STOP EXTRACTING AND SELLING YOUR SP!
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
329
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Posted - 2016.02.16 18:27:05 -
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Eli Stan wrote:Avvy wrote:Eli Stan wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:That way of progressing (rather than grinding for or paying for "skills/experience" like in other games) slowed the game down, and gave actions meaning. Am I correct in thinking that you would object to SP trading even if the Extractors were free? That is, don't involve any real-world money cost? (And would you object to SP trading if PLEX and AUR didn't exist at all?) The extractors not being free don't matter, although they are not cosmetic items they are just containers. Okay, so what I'm hearing is that you don't object to there being an AUR cost associated with SP trading - rather, you object to SP trading being possible at all.
I hope I don't object to sp trading, done enough of it myself.
All I'm saying here is that although extractors are not cosmetic I don't really see an issue as they are only empty containers. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
13668
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Posted - 2016.02.16 18:30:23 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: Skill injected newbies will experience the same things those lottery winners did. That's what I was saying to you. TIME is valuable, and taking time to build up makes for better players, and better experiences for those players.
Too bad that you are part of the problem and not the solution. Jenn aSide wrote: I've got 20 bil in my wallet just from selling unwanted SP from alts I don't even use, and this is without touching my main characters (the 4 I use everytime I log in) or the 4 other alts I sometimes use. But last night it was like 'what's the point, it's not like I need the isk lol'. If you feel so strongly that it's a bad mechanic that is bad for new players, STOP EXTRACTING AND SELLING YOUR SP! Mr Epeen
Nope. CCP provides a way to do things, I take advantage. I run incursions too (and those are too lucrative). I'm not in charge of CCP (or responsbile for the detrimental affects on other people that come from CCP decisions). SP trading is not against the EULA, so I'm going to make use of it when I want to.
I'm saying it would have been way smarted to not allow this in the 1st place. Since they do, I'm going to abuse the hell out of it. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2610
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Posted - 2016.02.16 18:53:40 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: Skill injected newbies will experience the same things those lottery winners did. That's what I was saying to you. TIME is valuable, and taking time to build up makes for better players, and better experiences for those players.
Too bad that you are part of the problem and not the solution. Jenn aSide wrote: I've got 20 bil in my wallet just from selling unwanted SP from alts I don't even use, and this is without touching my main characters (the 4 I use everytime I log in) or the 4 other alts I sometimes use. But last night it was like 'what's the point, it's not like I need the isk lol'. If you feel so strongly that it's a bad mechanic that is bad for new players, STOP EXTRACTING AND SELLING YOUR SP! Mr Epeen Nope. CCP provides a way to do things, I take advantage. I run incursions too (and those are too lucrative). I'm not in charge of CCP (or responsbile for the detrimental affects on other people that come from CCP decisions). SP trading is not against the EULA, so I'm going to make use of it when I want to. I'm saying it would have been way smarted to not allow this in the 1st place. Since they do, I'm going to abuse the hell out of it.
So you are too selfish to ride the high horse you display on the forum. Isn't that great... |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
13669
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Posted - 2016.02.16 19:08:29 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:
So you are too selfish to ride the high horse you display on the forum. Isn't that great...
What possible affect could I have? Unlike some, I don't think my not doing something (or leaving) will have the least affect. Now, if it did, I would, but my options or "adapt" or "leave", so I'm adapting.
But adapting doesn't mean 'stop telling the truth'.
In fact, I'm adapting the exact same way you Goons did with Dominion, Aegis, Jump Fatigue, buffed exhumers and the rest. Many of your compatriots tried to tell CCP some of the changes they did were bad deals.. Did you all not use those features in useless protest?
Or did you all use them and SHOW CCP how bad it was? |
Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
329
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Posted - 2016.02.16 19:12:51 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:
So you are too selfish to ride the high horse you display on the forum. Isn't that great...
What possible affect could I have? Unlike some, I don't think my not doing something (or leaving) will have the least affect. Now, if it did, I would, but my options or "adapt" or "leave", so I'm adapting. But adapting doesn't mean 'stop telling the truth'. In fact, I'm adapting the exact same way you Goons did with Dominion, Aegis, Jump Fatigue, buffed exhumers and the rest. Many of your compatriots tried to tell CCP some of the changes they did were bad deals.. Did you all not use those features in useless protest? Or did you all use them and SHOW CCP how bad it was?
Adapting is one thing, but moaning about it and adapting is another.
If you use the system, then you've accepted the system albeit reluctantly. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2611
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Posted - 2016.02.16 19:13:56 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:
So you are too selfish to ride the high horse you display on the forum. Isn't that great...
What possible affect could I have? Unlike some, I don't think my not doing something (or leaving) will have the least affect. Now, if it did, I would, but my options or "adapt" or "leave", so I'm adapting. But adpating doesn't mean 'stop telling the truth'. In fact, I'm adapting the exact same way you Goons did with Dominion, Aegis, Jump Fatigue, buffed exhumers and the rest. Many of your compatriots tried to tell CCP some of the changes they did were bad deals.. Did you all not use those features in useless protest? Or did you all use them and SHOW CCP how bad it was?
You would pretty much have the same effect as CCP would have if they forgo going ahead with a proven business model by the big player in the industry. How can you even try to argue they should not follow what EA, Blizz and co. do when you are too selfish to give yourself as an example of righteous action in face of apparently broken and evil new possibility?
You would have no effect? Well so does CCP and that's why they will pursue those change because they are a business just like your alt group are a "business" by themselves. You run it to turn a profit in ISK to pay for your gametime or anyone else for that matter. You are "walking the miles in their shoes" right now and decided to go as they did instead of following your righteous way of not succumbing to the attraction of revenue in the name of a more "pure" environment. |
David Semris
House Semris
19
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Posted - 2016.02.16 19:14:39 -
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David Semris wrote:My secondary account character is being biomassed, my main will follow later this week. I see no point in playing anymore, I have invested (real life money) in injectors and maxed out last skills I have ever wanted / planned to have. I have had around 55 billions ISKs in wallet and all the ships I need/want. More importantly I can buy everything for real life money, there is simply no point in doing anything anymore. But people will still not call it pay to win (just because you can beat other player in pvp because you are personally better skilled player doesn-¦t change the fact you can now buy basically anything in this game for real life money, you know...). So at the moment I need to sell rest of my items and I have already bought like 45 PLEX (hopefully I can get much higher when I sell the 30 mils skill points I can) I will distribute between my friends before I leave (or I could take them to shuttle for a fly ). At least they can stop farming for a while (farming to plex account) and actually have some fun. Have fun guys o7
Aaaand it was done, at the end 66 PLEXes were divided between friends, biomass time.
Farewell o7 |
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1930
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Posted - 2016.02.16 19:26:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:So let me ask you a question. Do you think that after sp trading has been around for a while, that more peopel will do the above, or skill trading?
Because that's the whole point. CCP took something that was possible but NOT widley used and turned it into something that IS widely used. Like all things, a little bit of something might be ok where as a lot of it might be bad.
PLEX and the Character Bazaar were (borderline) ok. SP trading isn't, because it takes something (SP) that could only be converted into in game wealth via a convoluted process and streamlined it. Now you have people who would have NEVER sold a toon stipping those toons of now valuable SP, creating another avenue of wealth. As I understand we once only had GTCs on the forums. We now have PLEX in game. If that's wrong please correct me, but if not how is that any different. And if PLEX is still ok and injectors are still not ok, why is wealth generation from subbing not ok, but wealth generation from just cash is?
Further how does it being more common actually break it?
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stg slate
We're Kind of a Big Deal
67
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Posted - 2016.02.16 19:28:47 -
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David Semris wrote:David Semris wrote:My secondary account character is being biomassed, my main will follow later this week. I see no point in playing anymore, I have invested (real life money) in injectors and maxed out last skills I have ever wanted / planned to have. I have had around 55 billions ISKs in wallet and all the ships I need/want. More importantly I can buy everything for real life money, there is simply no point in doing anything anymore. But people will still not call it pay to win (just because you can beat other player in pvp because you are personally better skilled player doesn-¦t change the fact you can now buy basically anything in this game for real life money, you know...). So at the moment I need to sell rest of my items and I have already bought like 45 PLEX (hopefully I can get much higher when I sell the 30 mils skill points I can) I will distribute between my friends before I leave (or I could take them to shuttle for a fly ). At least they can stop farming for a while (farming to plex account) and actually have some fun. Have fun guys o7 Aaaand it was done, at the end 66 PLEXes were divided between friends, biomass time. Farewell o7
Be well, watch out IRL is scarey and I haerd there are wolfs |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
13669
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Posted - 2016.02.16 19:38:32 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:
You would pretty much have the same effect as CCP would have if they forgo going ahead with a proven business model by the big player in the industry. How can you even try to argue they should not follow what EA, Blizz and co. do when you are too selfish to give yourself as an example of righteous action in face of apparently broken and evil new possibility?
I'm playing a video game. I real life I do exactly that (ie not making the money my siblings do from the family businesses I'm actually entitled to, I'm a lowly public servant).
The problem with trying to emulate others is that those others made games with that kind of money making in mind. CCP is trying to shoe-horn EVE (a damn near contentless sandbox game) into a mainstream money maker and it won't work (because pay to progress only works if there is something to progress TO). You mention EA and Blizz, how many game companies don't exist now. How many tried to Do an EA or Blizz routine and failed?
Quote: You would have no effect? Well so does CCP and that's why they will pursue those change because they are a business just like your alt group are a "business" by themselves. You run it to turn a profit in ISK to pay for your gametime or anyone else for that matter. You are "walking the miles in their shoes" right now and decided to go as they did instead of following your righteous way of not succumbing to the attraction of revenue in the name of a more "pure" environment.
You are wrong (and you're usually better than that). My using what CCP gives me in a video game, and CCP turning it's back on it's proven way of doing business to gamble on the hopes that 'new players' empowered by cash bought skill-points will stay (or a few whales will spend a lot of cash before leaving) are 2 different things.
You don't realize it, but of the two of us, I'm the one arguing for the continuation of EVE Online and CCP (by CCP learning the lessons of the past, which they haven't done as evidenced by SP trading). What CCP is actually doing is reckless. The difference between now and monocle-gate is that people are so used to being juiced by corporations now they don't recognize it when it's happening.
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
329
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Posted - 2016.02.16 19:43:40 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
You don't realize it, but of the two of us, I'm the one arguing for the continuation of EVE Online and CCP (by CCP learning the lessons of the past, which they haven't done as evidenced by SP trading). What CCP is actually doing is reckless. The difference between now and monocle-gate is that people are so used to being juiced by corporations now they don't recognize it when it's happening.
So what you are saying is that you know better than those involved at CCP.
Great!
Maybe they should hire you. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
13670
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Posted - 2016.02.16 19:56:28 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:So let me ask you a question. Do you think that after sp trading has been around for a while, that more peopel will do the above, or skill trading?
Because that's the whole point. CCP took something that was possible but NOT widley used and turned it into something that IS widely used. Like all things, a little bit of something might be ok where as a lot of it might be bad.
PLEX and the Character Bazaar were (borderline) ok. SP trading isn't, because it takes something (SP) that could only be converted into in game wealth via a convoluted process and streamlined it. Now you have people who would have NEVER sold a toon stipping those toons of now valuable SP, creating another avenue of wealth. As I understand we once only had GTCs on the forums. We now have PLEX in game. If that's wrong please correct me, but if not how is that any different. And if PLEX is still ok and injectors are still not ok, why is wealth generation from subbing not ok, but wealth generation from just cash is? Further how does it being more common actually break it?
PLEx streamlined the GTC process some, sure. But plex was also totally destroyed when you used it. SP is only partially destroyed when used by higher SP characters. AND, unlike PLEX, SP is generated not when someone buys an extractor, but passively, all the time if you want.
EVE in November 2008 was a game where rewards and isk and wealth where harder to come by. No re spawning null sec anoms, no incursions, lvl 5 missions were still newish etc. In that landscape it was ok to formalize GTC into PLEX.
8 years later (after 7 years of 25-35 trillion isk per month injections of raw isk not counting materials and modules and tings like that awful moon goo), EVE is a place that just doesn't need new wealth faucets IMO. Especially not an easily renewable one. That's what SP trading does, it takes something someone valuable (SP, which could be indirectly traded in the char bazaar) and turns it into yet another respawning thing (like null anoms).
And that thing is going to exacerbate some structural problems New Eden already has, It potentially lowers to SP gap between new and old (which is worthless because real experience, not SP is king), while widening the real gap, the one between the rich (that can trough ships at stuff all day) and the in game poor who will have to use real cash more than ever.
Someone ask me if skill trading would be ok if it was free. The most ardent anti-SP trading people will disagree, but I would have been fine with it (with proper balancing restrictions).
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stg slate
We're Kind of a Big Deal
67
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Posted - 2016.02.16 19:58:25 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: You are wrong (and you're usually better than that). My using what CCP gives me in a video game, and CCP turning it's back on it's proven way of doing business to gamble on the hopes that 'new players' empowered by cash bought skill-points will stay (or a few whales will spend a lot of cash before leaving) are 2 different things.
You don't realize it, but of the two of us, I'm the one arguing for the continuation of EVE Online and CCP (by CCP learning the lessons of the past, which they haven't done as evidenced by SP trading). What CCP is actually doing is reckless. The difference between now and monocle-gate is that people are so used to being juiced by corporations now they don't recognize it when it's happening.
You should probably give up the pubic servant thingy and go get hired to run a video game, you seem to feel you know better than a team of people who are hired to spend every day managing one. Not just that, but you act like completely obvious to you and should be to everyone.
Prodigy! |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
13670
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Posted - 2016.02.16 19:58:37 -
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Avvy wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
You don't realize it, but of the two of us, I'm the one arguing for the continuation of EVE Online and CCP (by CCP learning the lessons of the past, which they haven't done as evidenced by SP trading). What CCP is actually doing is reckless. The difference between now and monocle-gate is that people are so used to being juiced by corporations now they don't recognize it when it's happening.
So what you are saying is that you know better than those involved at CCP. Great! Maybe they should hire you.
If I'm wrong, no one losses, not even CCP.
If I'm right? What do you think happens then? You were right when you said life can't teach you anything new, you display no wisdom whatsoever and thus don't understand the idea of erring on the side of caution. Sure, be mad at me if you like, but I'm not your problem.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
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stg slate wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: You are wrong (and you're usually better than that). My using what CCP gives me in a video game, and CCP turning it's back on it's proven way of doing business to gamble on the hopes that 'new players' empowered by cash bought skill-points will stay (or a few whales will spend a lot of cash before leaving) are 2 different things.
You don't realize it, but of the two of us, I'm the one arguing for the continuation of EVE Online and CCP (by CCP learning the lessons of the past, which they haven't done as evidenced by SP trading). What CCP is actually doing is reckless. The difference between now and monocle-gate is that people are so used to being juiced by corporations now they don't recognize it when it's happening.
You should probably give up the pubic servant thingy and go get hired to run a video game, you seem to feel you know better than a team of people who are hired to spend every day managing one. Not just that, but you act like completely obvious to you and should be to everyone. Prodigy!
I accept your surrender. You know that's what you just did right? They only time one gets these kinds of replies is when a poster knows what your saying makes sense and they don't want to admit it..
Like I told the other guy who just surrendered, if I'm wrong about the bad affects that will reveal themselves in the coming months and years, well, good, no harm. But if I'm right, CCP would have hurt a great video game and made another avoidable mistake when they didn't have to.
That even wouldn't be the end of the world, it would still be a damn shame.
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stg slate
We're Kind of a Big Deal
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Posted - 2016.02.16 20:06:34 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
I accept your surrender. You know that's what you just did right? They only time one gets these kinds of replies is when a poster knows what your saying makes sense and they don't want to admit it..
No, I am openly mocking you because you are coming off as a know-it-all; you're better than everyone because you work a crappy job as a public servant(by choice of course!), you've attempted to psychoanalyze peoples responses as an armchair psychologist, and now you are a master at game marketing and business plans for MMOs.
It is amusing to me that you take ridicule as a sign of winning, you must win a lot of arguments on the internets
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.02.16 20:08:18 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Avvy wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
You don't realize it, but of the two of us, I'm the one arguing for the continuation of EVE Online and CCP (by CCP learning the lessons of the past, which they haven't done as evidenced by SP trading). What CCP is actually doing is reckless. The difference between now and monocle-gate is that people are so used to being juiced by corporations now they don't recognize it when it's happening.
So what you are saying is that you know better than those involved at CCP. Great! Maybe they should hire you. If I'm wrong, no one losses, not even CCP. If I'm right? What do you think happens then? You were right when you said life can't teach you anything new, you display no wisdom whatsoever and thus don't understand the idea of erring on the side of caution. Sure, be mad at me if you like, but I'm not your problem.
Not at all, one thing I find important and that is to keep an open mind and I do. Doesn't mean I'll change it at the drop of a hat. But if a good argument shows me the error of my ways I'm happy to take that on-board. It's just that I've not seen one yet.
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