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Maggot
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.02 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: Maggot on 02/02/2007 16:52:56 Karin Midular

Wanted - Dead or Alive
In response to the execution of the Defiant's Captain, Karishal Muritor, the leader of the Minmatar Republic, Karin Midular, has been declared the number one enemy of the Ushra'khan.
A one ISK bounty is to be placed on her head. This value representing her worth to the Matari people, rounded up. I look forward to her arrival at Unity Station, dead or alive.
Maggot.
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Pezzle
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.02 17:07:00 -
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So you went from Rebel 'freedom fighters', to pirates to traitors. It looks like I was right.
You will be reclaimed, one way or the other.
Amarr Victor
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Spiderweb
Caldari Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.02 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Spiderweb on 02/02/2007 17:27:33 Im on it brother.
To the Republic Fleet officials:
I have worked for you for a long time. My times in Rens and Lustrevik fighting for your cause against the Sansha drones and Amattar scums will be remembered as hectic and heavy with Workload. I thought your cause as noble, its only now I realise you were using me for your twisted advantage.
YOU BETRAYED US ALL
You betrayed your own people. Please remove your 8.24 standing with me from your treacherous Republic Fleet villains. Its a stain on my history now. I have set all your drones of hypocricy and treachery to -5 and now you will face the concequences of the death of my warrior Brother.
Muritor Karishal will be remembered for the Father he was. The father of courage on dedicated warriors. The father of Honour and true belief to the value of freedom. The father of us all, who fight, no matter the opposition, no matter the corruption and the political hurdles, no matter the faces of evil that climb up to the stage everyday.
Take heed brothers, Its the rot within that allows slavers hold slaves. It took me sometime to escape the twisted nether of Caldari corporate control and find brothers and sisters with true Human spirit. Our hearts and souls are bleeding, for today we took the most dirty blow. The enemy within showed its true face and smiled before the death of a part of our soul, part of our spirit.
Your death, brother Muritor, is our call for vengeance.
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Sapphrine
Kinda'Shujaa Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.02 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Pezzle So you went from Rebel 'freedom fighters', to pirates to traitors. It looks like I was right.
You will be reclaimed, one way or the other.
Amarr Victor
What is said: We are betrayed, the betrayer must die. CVA Translation: blah blah blah, you are slaves.
Original i'm sure. This is internal Matari Politics and none of your concern if you're simply going to 'reclaim us'. Rest assured Midular may be at the top of the kill list but you and the rest of your Amarrian irregulars are a close second for me.
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.02 17:37:00 -
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I am interested in what EM and NMTZ have to say about this development... ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607
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Pezzle
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.02 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sapphrine
What is said: We are betrayed, the betrayer must die. CVA Translation: blah blah blah, you are slaves.
Original i'm sure. This is internal Matari Politics and none of your concern if you're simply going to 'reclaim us'. Rest assured Midular may be at the top of the kill list but you and the rest of your Amarrian irregulars are a close second for me.
Actually, YOU are the betrayers for turning against your lawful government. That is sort of the point, the traitor captain was killed for HIS betrayal and in turn you attack your own. Following your own logic, you should die.
And it is most certainly a concern of the Empire. Feel free to die fighting your own Republic.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.02 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Pezzle So you went from Rebel 'freedom fighters', to pirates to traitors.
Nonsense.
The Ushra'Khan are to be commended for being clear-eyed enough to see that the state that was once created as a shelter and advocate for their people has become simply another machine that will do literally anything to perpetuate its existence.
There has been a betrayal here but it is not on the part of the Ushra'Khan or anyone else who fights for true freedom.
I wish the hunters of those who live only to oppress all good fortune.
The Cosmopolite
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Pezzle
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.02 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Pezzle on 02/02/2007 18:23:21 Ahh my dear Cosmo
You can call it nonsense, but that does not make it so.
The Ushra Khan attacks Imperial forces (rebellion) they attack neutral ships and peaceful folk in Providence (piracy) and turn against the government they once acknowledged (traitors)
It is quite clear to see for those who are active in the area, perhaps not so clear to those so far away.
*added* And just to be precise I have called the Ushra Khan rebels and Pirates before this incident, and asked how long before they turned traitor. It seems we have the answer.
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Sepherim
Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2007.02.02 18:28:00 -
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Maben System - Emperor Family's station - Ordo Quaesitoris Headquarter:
The light beeped red again, and Sepherim was very surprised to read what it had found. Were the Ushra'Khan willing to betray everything they said to love and protect so quickly? +
-I once thought you were noble oponents of the Empire. Then you betrayed your own and joined a traitor, and I thought you were simple enemies of the Empire. Now you make clear that your rage is so big that you are simply enemies. Enemies of everything. Enemies of the ideas and people you said to protect, and enemies of those that oppose to them, and to everything in between. I pity you.- --------------------- Signature removed due to incorrect size (400X120px and 24000 bytes). Please review the forum rules or e-mail us with any questions. You can view you signature here - Petwraith Ordo Quaesitoris Forum |

Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.02 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Originally by: Pezzle So you went from Rebel 'freedom fighters', to pirates to traitors.
Nonsense.
The Ushra'Khan are to be commended for being clear-eyed enough to see that the state that was once created as a shelter and advocate for their people has become simply another machine that will do literally anything to perpetuate its existence.
There has been a betrayal here but it is not on the part of the Ushra'Khan or anyone else who fights for true freedom.
I wish the hunters of those who live only to oppress all good fortune.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction has lost all rights to criticise other entities out there for "perpetuating their own existance" the day you paid off pirates to protect your precious dreadnought. The Republic knows that it would, at the moment and probably for a very long time, lose if it came to a war between the empire and the republic, and there would be very little gained and much lost.
Muritor betrayed the republic when he stole military hardware, and he has continued to betray the republic and its people by attempting to provoke the Amarr empire into a full blown conflict with the republic. The punishment for both those crimes was, and rightly so, death.
You and I may not agree with the method of execution, but his death was justified. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary. |

Dallan Arethi
Gallente Phoenix Wing Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.02.02 18:58:00 -
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Edited by: Dallan Arethi on 02/02/2007 18:55:16 Edit: typos. Sigh.
Please note that I do not represent the views of the Electus, despite my alliance ticker.
Originally by: Maggot Edited by: Maggot on 02/02/2007 16:52:56 In response to the execution of the Defiant's Captain, Karishal Muritor, the leader of the Minmatar Republic, Karin Midular, has been declared the number one enemy of the Ushra'khan.
To quote an old commentary on the disunity among the Matari that has stuck with me: the only ones laughing are the Amarr - who should be heading that list of yours, though I suppose the enduring lack of an Emperor makes choosing one in particular difficult. I hope that revenge and rage are not descending over your eyes to blind you to the true enemy.
I wonder if someone who stole capital ships from the Ushra'Khan to return to the Republic be treated any more gently. I also wonder who in the Republic government chose such a frankly ridiculous and inexplicable method to redress the crime, and why. Being a relative outsider, I think, leaves me free to ask both these questions at once. Hopefully they'll get answers.
Regards,
Lieutenant Dallan Arethi Diplomatic Relations Officer, Phoenix Wing
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.02 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 02/02/2007 19:18:29 I beg of you, Ushra'Khan, please back off on this hostility on the Republic, before things go to far. Give our leadership at least the chance to respond to your call for re-election.
Please - I have never in my life been this serious with any plea. Do not let matters go any further into this direction.
Official comments will follow in due time.
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Witch Doctor
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.02 19:24:00 -
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I find it highly enlightening that the Amarrians herein have gone from referring to Republic space as unclaimed territory to defending Midular's government and referring to them as the "lawful government". I can think of no more damning testimony of Midular's allegiance or stronger justification for Maggot's gesture.
The Minmatar would do well to heed Maggot's call and emulate the Amarrians - kill the cancer at the top and go leaderless until "God" chooses a path. Fortunately, Malaetu is a little more hands-on and reliable than the Amarrian "God", who still has yet to return their calls ...
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.02 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Originally by: Pezzle So you went from Rebel 'freedom fighters', to pirates to traitors.
Nonsense.
The Ushra'Khan are to be commended for being clear-eyed enough to see that the state that was once created as a shelter and advocate for their people has become simply another machine that will do literally anything to perpetuate its existence.
There has been a betrayal here but it is not on the part of the Ushra'Khan or anyone else who fights for true freedom.
I wish the hunters of those who live only to oppress all good fortune.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction has lost all rights to criticise other entities out there for "perpetuating their own existance" the day you paid off pirates to protect your precious dreadnought. The Republic knows that it would, at the moment and probably for a very long time, lose if it came to a war between the empire and the republic, and there would be very little gained and much lost.
Muritor betrayed the republic when he stole military hardware, and he has continued to betray the republic and its people by attempting to provoke the Amarr empire into a full blown conflict with the republic. The punishment for both those crimes was, and rightly so, death.
You and I may not agree with the method of execution, but his death was justified.
Your argument could not make less sense if you phrased it in grunts and obscene gestures.
Are you honestly attempting to compare the murder of a leader of the Matari Liberation movement in a vain effort to appease the Empire and stave off an inevitable conflict with paying a bounty to a pirate organization in order to preserve the lives of thousands of men and women? What are you putting in your spiced wine? _
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Shira d'Radonis
Amarr Minmatar United Freedom Front Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.02.02 19:44:00 -
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Edited by: Shira d''Radonis on 02/02/2007 19:42:09 Ushra'Khan, your actions will lead to civil war if you do not rein in your more volatile elements NOW.
Did the Republic fleet conduct itself poorly? Yes. Could this have been handled better? Yes. But did Ushra'Khan have the right to attack Republic Fleet ships? Absolutely not. And if that weren't bad enough, maggot has now put up this bounty? Remember that you do hold influence with the people. If someone were to carry out this ridiculous order, it would lead to war. And the truth is you wouldn't be able to control it.
What are you even fighting for anymore? Will you simply carve out a new piece of territory to move the slaves you free? Or are your thoughts more sinister? Do you intend to turn on the Republic and overthrow it to shape it into the society you think it should be? You lack the power to overthrow the Republic, and you both lack the power to fight each other and prevent the Amarr from exploiting the internal struggle.
The wolves are at the door. Now is the time more than ever for unity. If you fight each other, rest assured that Amarrian ships will be around Matar in short order.
Consider what you do in the coming days and weeks very carefully. You can still turn back from civil war, but EVERYONE is going to have to admit fault and everyone is going to have to let a few bad guys get away with their crimes. It is the only way. -----------------------------------------------
ōąquod ad ius naturale attinet, omnes homines aequales suntö
"Our histories, one day, will absolve me..." - Shira d'Radonis
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Pezzle
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.02 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Witch Doctor I find it highly enlightening that the Amarrians herein have gone from referring to Republic space as unclaimed territory to defending Midular's government and referring to them as the "lawful government". I can think of no more damning testimony of Midular's allegiance or stronger justification for Maggot's gesture.
The Minmatar would do well to heed Maggot's call and emulate the Amarrians - kill the cancer at the top and go leaderless until "God" chooses a path. Fortunately, Malaetu is a little more hands-on and reliable than the Amarrian "God", who still has yet to return their calls ...
In fact it is the rebels and traitors (UK forces and the like) that had at one point accepted the leadership of the Minmatar government (something that would be lawful to them). It is not a defense of that government by the Amarr. It IS an illustration of the depths these causes will sink to in order to push a disloyal agenda and revel in violence.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.02 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: Nomakai Delateriel on 02/02/2007 19:44:58
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
Are you honestly attempting to compare the murder of a leader of the Matari Liberation movement in a vain effort to appease the Empire and stave off an inevitable conflict with paying a bounty to a pirate organization in order to preserve the lives of thousands of men and women? What are you putting in your spiced wine?
Are you honestly saying that paying a ransom in a vain effort to appease a bunch of pirates (a ransom that will only fund new pirate attacks) in order to save a few thousand men and women is not comparable to assassinating a traitor to the republic in an effort to prevent an outbreak of war against the Republic in order to save trillions of matari lives? So maybe it's not my spiced wine that has been tainted with drugs and poisons.
In both cases it's about saving lives in the present. In both cases it's about delaying the fight until the moment that you are ready to fight on your terms instead of being forced into a conflict that you can't win.
At least that's how I percieve it. I have no illusions that if the current leadership of the republic had the required manpower and ships it would simply sit on their tribal behinds while millions of matari are enslaved in the empire. In the future that might change as the situation changes, but that's the present situation. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary. |

The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.02 21:00:00 -
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I'll deal with the less important issue first. The suggestion that a private freecaptain's decision to preserve ship and crew from destruction at the hands of pirates by using a fraction of her personal wealth has anything to do with perpetuating the existence of the Star Fraction is utterly absurd.
Do the Star Fraction treat with, work with and deal with those beyond the law and even those who actually style themselves 'pirates'? Yes, we do. It's not a pungent criticism of us and it never has been.
We do not aid pirates, or anyone else for that matter, against neutrals with force or intelligence. We never have and we never will.
This particular gang profited for the moment because of an error on the part of an individual. That individual took responsibility for her error and learned a valuable lesson. Her conduct was entirely in keeping with the ideology of the Star Fraction.
You may disagree with it but be under no illusions that it somehow invalidates anything we say. It does not.
Originally by: Pezzle
You can call it nonsense, but that does not make it so.
The Ushra Khan attacks Imperial forces (rebellion) they attack neutral ships and peaceful folk in Providence (piracy) and turn against the government they once acknowledged (traitors)
First, I have no issue with the Ushra'Khan being called rebels in those terms and I strongly doubt they would. Second, you can accuse the Ushra'Khan of piracy by your definition of who is neutral and who is peaceful but that only results in you laying yourself open to accusations of piracy by other definitions of who is neutral and peaceful. I am not going to indulge in such meaningless name-calling as I do not, for what it is worth, regard either the Ushra'Khan or CVA as pirate organizations. I merely suggest that you be careful the paint you liberally apply to others does not drip back on yourself.
Third, you clearly do not know so much about the Ushra'Khan as you credit yourself. The Ushra'Khan is a broad organisation of Minmatar freedom fighters that has long contained elements that are pro-Republic, anti-Republic or simply indifferent to the Republic (as it has been indifferent to the cause of combating slavery by any rational standard of effectiveness). I know this because I personally know many Minmatar freedom fighters. To label the entire Ushra'Khan as 'traitors' before a government to which they had not, in fact, as an organization sworn undying fealty is utterly absurd.
One can say many things about the Ushra'Khan but it has ever been my observation that they have one loyalty to which they have ever remained true: loyalty to the cause of freedom for their people and, in fact, all who are enslaved by the rapacity of the Amarrian Empire, the Khanid Kingdom and that miserable little puppet-state in Derelik region.
Traitors? Nonsense.
The Cosmopolite
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Lucius Lefebvre
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.02 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Edited by: Nomakai Delateriel on 02/02/2007 19:44:58
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
Are you honestly attempting to compare the murder of a leader of the Matari Liberation movement in a vain effort to appease the Empire and stave off an inevitable conflict with paying a bounty to a pirate organization in order to preserve the lives of thousands of men and women? What are you putting in your spiced wine?
Are you honestly saying that paying a ransom in a vain effort to appease a bunch of pirates (a ransom that will only fund new pirate attacks) in order to save a few thousand men and women is not comparable to assassinating a traitor to the republic in an effort to prevent an outbreak of war against the Republic in order to save trillions of matari lives? So maybe it's not my spiced wine that has been tainted with drugs and poisons.
In both cases it's about saving lives in the present. In both cases it's about delaying the fight until the moment that you are ready to fight on your terms instead of being forced into a conflict that you can't win.
At least that's how I percieve it. I have no illusions that if the current leadership of the republic had the required manpower and ships it would simply sit on their tribal behinds while millions of matari are enslaved in the empire. In the future that might change as the situation changes, but that's the present situation.
To my knowledge, the effort wasn't in vain.
And, given the Star Fraction's position on piracy, it's difficult to distinguish between the payment of ISK in return for free passage and, say, the activation of a defensive module, where both result in the pilot's ship remaining intact.
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Karn Mithralia
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.02 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 02/02/2007 19:18:29 I beg of you, Ushra'Khan, please back off on this hostility on the Republic, before things go to far. Give our leadership at least the chance to respond to your call for re-election./quote]
They have 3 weeks.
Remember we have waited before from word from the Republic ... a long time we have waited and yet still our brothers rot. -----------------------------------------
Now recruiting.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.02 21:15:00 -
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I see no mention of three weeks on Maggot's post above... -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient now. |

Karn Mithralia
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.02 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon I see no mention of three weeks on Maggot's post above...
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.02 21:45:00 -
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When she is the head of state, and has a bounty on her head as the representative of that state, hell yes.
You mean there are further threats by U'K that I should worry about?
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Meklon
Caldari Minmatar United Freedom Front Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.02.02 21:45:00 -
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A few days planetside and it seems those matters important to me flare up once again. Expect an official Electus Matari response shortly, however I refuse to let my personal response be picked apart and as such refrain from letting it be known. -=======- -=======- -=======- -=======-
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Wanoah
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.02 21:58:00 -
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Frankly, I'd like to see Karin Midular taken out and shot, but I'd settle for someone tabling a motion of no confidence in Parliament. The leadership of the Republic needs to understand that men and women of conscience cannot stand by while their kinsfolk are sold out by the people who are supposed to represent them. We have to speak and we have to act.
I would also point out that loyalty to the Minmatar peoples is not synonymous with loyalty to the Minmatar Republic. By the same token, loyalty to the Republic is not synonymous with loyalty to its leadership. Be careful who you give your loyalty to, and be careful who you trust. There are people in power who have shown their fangs now. Watch your backs, people, 'cos knives are incoming.
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Rhaguvir Khan
Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.02 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Shira d'Radonis Edited by: Shira d''Radonis on 02/02/2007 19:42:09 Ushra'Khan, your actions will lead to civil war if you do not rein in your more volatile elements NOW.
Did the Republic fleet conduct itself poorly? Yes. Could this have been handled better? Yes. But did Ushra'Khan have the right to attack Republic Fleet ships? Absolutely not. ...
I have been there. It is NOT, that we did not ask the Republic soldiers to cease fire! We begged them to not force us to attack them! We haven't been at this meeting without reason. We have been asked to protect Karishal (not from him, but from a loyal officer) and we explained to the republicans, that we do not intend to attack them as long as they won't harm Karishal. But still... after all the begs for ceasefire, they killed Karishal without leaving a chance to him! We even hadn't big firepower with us, because we wanted to solve this conflict peacefully by just preventing the ships from attack. But we couldn't let them leave as nothing had happened!
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Pezzle
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.02 22:23:00 -
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I have given the statements I intended to on the topic. Clearly the Minmatar factions have issues to work out among themselves.
Cosmo, if you really want to continue this discussion, perhaps it should be elsewhere. This hardly seems the place to argue over what the definition of 'was' is, if you understand my meaning.
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Nachshon
Caldari Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.02 23:38:00 -
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Ushra'Khan, stop and think for a minute. What you are about to do could tear the Republic apart, inviting another Amarr invasion.
I state this now. I will not fight in this civil war. I have made the Republic my home, and I will never participate in tearing it apart.
Solve this dispute with words. Save your ammo for the Amarr.
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Hakera
Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.03 00:07:00 -
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Edited by: Hakera on 03/02/2007 00:05:42 Corruption has spread too deep. The water turns black and the skies darken. The evil that has infected the government and those abusing their position of power must step down and face justice. Your towers will fall, your wealth will be squandered, the foundations of your lifeforce will be wittered away as the people rise against the brother who dared to turn on his own.
It has always fallen to us to make the difficult choices, the ones others are not brave enough to make, but make them we have for the good of the galaxy. Our people cannot rot in the quagmyre of the republic no longer.
You may of silenced one man and his brave crew Midular, but you will find it hard to silence us all! You have never felt the weight of the storm mustering yonder and when it comes crashing down, be ready to meet Matar as the gates will not bid you enter. Your spirit will disappear into nothing, sucked into the abyss to join your allies in the underworld where you will be forever tormented by the demons of your own making.
Our traditions allow for nine days of mourning. When that ends, the skies above Matar will fill with the song of the rightous. We are coming home to put our house in order.
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Tharrn
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.02.03 01:02:00 -
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Ah, yes. Sure. Only the Ushra'Khan, who live removed from the Republic only caring about their own business for about a year now, know what's best for the Republic.
That made me laugh. Again.
Now recruiting!
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