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NightmoonEagle Minmatar Matari BackBone	Posted - 2007.02.03 01:06:00 - [31] Well, Well. I do believe my comments from the post on http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=351169&page=2 are appearing to come true. Internal war and conflict appears on the horizon. People need to learn to take heed of warnings. No matter how "out-of-date" a post is when a response is submitted. My words then may have been directed at Elsebeth. But the message was both clear and precise. A war between the Alliances, no matter the reason - cause - the outcome WILL be the same. No one will be left to fight the Amarrians when the time comes. NmE [personal views which are not representative of any faction, alliance, or corporation that I may or may not be affiliated with at the time of posting]
Hakera Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.03 01:10:00 - [32] Originally by: Tharrn That made me laugh. Again. only in as much as you and your zealot freinds enforce their will upon the people from the furthest edges of their own empire. Make no pretence that the 15 jumps between Unity and home are anything but short. We never left our home, we simply moved the symbol of our defiance closer to yours :) As ever, you enforcer puppets of the old regime are nothing but an inconvienience who occasionally get the in way. That is no laughing matter! And none of this is your concern. Stick to what you know best, your little in space sermons
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.03 01:25:00 - [33] If Karin Midular is prepared to order the assassination of a prominent Freedom Fighter they she should find this as no suprise at all. If you choose to live by the sword then you must be prepared to die by the sword. Welcome to consequence. A wise man once said, "People should not be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people." We want re-elections. We also want justice. >> RECRUITING <<
Ikar Kaltin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.03 01:29:00 - [34] I would ask all those NMTZ and "loyal" Matari who have replied here one question: Huh? The Defeiants were a terrorist organisation, outlawed by the Republic as enemies and first and foremost they STOLE from the Republic. Are you saying that you in fact support those who steal from the Republic fleet to further their own goals? Do you support traitors and see your own government as only a resource to be stolen from?
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.03 02:16:00 - [35] As usual the violence prone terrorists want to keep on killing. Midular has saved the lives of those who followed this criminal by removing their motivation for obedience. Now they can return to their lives and if lucky be rescued by the SPCS and other Amarrians. A much better life than being a terrorist. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Thomas Maleficus Caldari Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.03 03:09:00 - [36] If you think they removed the motivation, you are sadly mistaken. In my view the pilots of teh Defiants were enraged at the death of Muritor and his death seemed to reinforce thier desire to continue on the same path more determined than ever. Pirates stole my signature.
Sapphrine Kinda'Shujaa Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.03 03:16:00 - [37] Originally by: Archbishop As usual the violence prone terrorists want to keep on killing. Midular has saved the lives of those who followed this criminal by removing their motivation for obedience. Now they can return to their lives and if lucky be rescued by the SPCS and other Amarrians. A much better life than being a terrorist. Archbishop nearly dies laughing Thank you for that. You appear to have found a funny side to this that I hadn't. you actually think that anyone involved is going to just give up and go home after this murder? Do you think that people will just bow down and accept this assassination without response. There will be blood and the people shall rise. Let us see how well you Amarr dogs last when you have the full Republic united behind a leader that actually wishes the freedom of ALL our people. The end of your time is near.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.03 03:53:00 - [38] Billions would die and you would still lose. Your republic lacks the strength to defeat the Mandate, let alone the whole Empire. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Tar Kovsky Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.03 11:15:00 - [39] Originally by: Ikar Kaltin I would ask all those NMTZ and "loyal" Matari who have replied here one question: Huh? The Defeiants were a terrorist organisation, outlawed by the Republic as enemies and first and foremost they STOLE from the Republic. Are you saying that you in fact support those who steal from the Republic fleet to further their own goals? Do you support traitors and see your own government as only a resource to be stolen from? I would ask all those NMTZ and "loyal" Matari who support Midular: Does it not bother you that you are on the same side of this issue as every slaver who has posted here? Are you saying that you trust the opinions of those who -- even now -- hold your brothers and sisters in bondage over those with whom you have worked to free your people?
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.03 11:40:00 - [40] Kovsky, yeah, it annoys me the Amarr is trying to pretend he agrees with us and is somehow thinking our best, while he is quite obviously doing that in an effort to escalate the situation and plunge us into further internal conflicts. Which is why I am ignoring him, and I think you should do the same. This matter is between the Matari and not a concern of the Amarr. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient now.
Ikar Kaltin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.03 11:45:00 - [41] Edited by: Ikar Kaltin on 03/02/2007 11:43:45 I find it interesting how I am suddenlu on your side, even "pretending" to be on your side. If you check my communications even to the start of all recent hostilities I have pointed out that the defiants were terrorists and theives who were outlawed by your own government, and if memory recalls EM and NMTZ denied all knowledge of working with him, and instead claimed to be working with your government. Im just noting upon the hypocracy of the supposedly "loyal" Matari who are now flying their true colours. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Aodha Khan Minmatar The Paratwa Ka Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.03 12:06:00 - [42] Edited by: Aodha Khan on 03/02/2007 12:05:37 Originally by: Hakera It has always fallen to us to make the difficult choices, the ones others are not brave enough to make, but make them we have for the good of the galaxy. Our people cannot rot in the quagmyre of the republic no longer. It has fallen on many of us to make difficult choices. How arrogant of you to think you are the ones making 'brave' choices to aid the future of our people. Considering the Ushra'Khan doesn't even live amongst these people I find this stance ridiculous. Your current proposed actions in causing a civil war over a former hero of our people who turned to treachery against his own kind is for the good of the galaxy? I suggest you rethink that stance or the rot will go deeper than you can ever imagine for our brethren. Take a step back and think on what consequence your actions may cause. The Amarr Empire has been waiting for a moment like this for some time. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Aodha Khan Minmatar The Paratwa Ka Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.03 12:08:00 - [43] Edited by: Aodha Khan on 03/02/2007 12:04:53 Kovsky, it bothers me more than you pay heed to the words of these twisted maggots. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Hakera Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.03 12:30:00 - [44] Originally by: Aodha Khan It has fallen on many of us to make difficult choices. Silence snake, keep your wormtongue behind your teeth. The most difficult choice you have to make is which belt to mine today whilst you put down any rebellion of our people and let them cry in despair as the shackles are not only made by Amarr but my the Republic agents who assassinate anyone who dares speak out. I see which side your standing on.
Mordenkainan Caldari Lone Gunmen	Posted - 2007.02.03 13:09:00 - [45] Mordenkainan pauses after reading all the diatribe On my own personal note, i'm inclined to agree with the U'K here - for to long have the Republic turned a blind eye to the Amarr breaking the peace and blatantly breaking the law. Midular is gutless and weak, her actions the lowest of the low. 1 isk... hmm....
Forty Three Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.03 13:35:00 - [46] I would like to say something to all the republicans who are accusing Muritor of treachery..... treachery is leaving your people to work with the enemy, treachery would have been for Muritor to steal ships then use them against the matari... what he did was not treachery... what he did was one of the most heroic, selfless acts I've seen... He sacrificed himself to show all matari what Midular's government is about... He died without shooting back because he was being killed by a dear old friend... He died to show us what the matari people need, and you are accusing him of treachery?? TREACHERY?? I'll tell you what treachery is... treachery is what the Republic Fleet has done to him... treachery was inviting him to a 1 on 1 talk with his friend, only to have him murdered in cold blood... it is not Muritor who has turned against his own people, but Midular... this is who the real traitor is... I fully support Admiral Maggot's reaction in this... Down with Midular!!! UNITY!!!
Cipher7 Nightgliders Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.03 13:46:00 - [47] EM & Namtzar'Kin, I am disappointed. You should be the first ones calling for Karin Midular to be taken out back and shot. Will you stand with her against the Matari people? The Republic does not have an absolute right to exist at the expense of its people. It has a MANDATE to look after them. If the Republic is just going to become a surrogate of the Empire, then what exactly are you supporting? Either look after the People. Or the People will look after themselves, by any means necessary.
Aodha Khan Minmatar The Paratwa Ka Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.03 14:16:00 - [48] Originally by: Hakera The most difficult choice you have to make is which belt to mine today whilst you put down any rebellion of our people and let them cry in despair as the shackles are not only made by Amarr but my the Republic agents who assassinate anyone who dares speak out. Your ignorance is astounding as well as your arrogance to think you make choices for our people. Where is the 'freedom' and 'unity' in this way of thinking? Originally by: Hakera I see which side your standing on. I am on the side of diplomacy before war when it comes to those who live under the banner of the Republic. Sure, make a call for Midular to be removed from power due to this incident, but you didn't bother. Civil war means nothing but death to our kin. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2007.02.03 14:21:00 - [49] Forty Three, I'm afraid you are wrong. Treason is a political term, and it relates to established organizations and states. Treason, with a capitol T, relates to the state each of one belongs to. Thus, stealing from that state and turning your back to it, attacking when you were told not to and so on... that is Treason. Check your political books, if you have some, before speaking of concepts you do not understand. And, as you, many others who have talked here. --------------------- Signature removed due to incorrect size (400X120px and 24000 bytes). Please review the forum rules or e-mail us with any questions. You can view you signature here - Petwraith Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Hakera Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.03 14:55:00 - [50] Originally by: Aodha Khan I am on the side of diplomacy before war /me laughs I know all about the 'peace' you talk about. The peace you talk about while you lay comfy in your bed at night. Whilst you let slaver gangs raid daily as our borders are kept open , whilst the government you so support deals in the blood of our children for profit and industry and gets their assassins to silence anyone who dares stand against them and in the frontline defending them, is you, their little puppet. Working hard to dishonour those who rise up and call for action when they cannot block the screams of our familes out no longer for the sake of your peace! Bathe well in the blood of our children, your peace be dammed! The government you support, its time is ending. The blows will not be made by us. It will be the people when they learn of what has transpired, when the government sponsored news agencies are silenced. When their propaganda merchants, assassins and puppets are repaid in whole. The people will rise and tear down the government. It is not us you should be afraid of. Your little peace will end by the hand of the people.
Aodha Khan Minmatar The Paratwa Ka Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.03 15:21:00 - [51] Edited by: Aodha Khan on 03/02/2007 15:19:40 Originally by: Hakera The government you support, its time is ending. The blows will not be made by us. Firstly, I am no Republican. Nor, do I support a Midular lead Republic. I suggest re-reading of my posts before blindly labelling anyone who speaks up against a civil war and murder inside Matari borders as a Republic supporter. It may suit your argument but it's simply not the truth. Glad to know you will not be making any blows and leaving it up to the people of Matar just as I had hoped. I can now safely put your rhetoric aside and hope this issue can be resolved without more bloodshed and murder. I prefer to save that privelege for those more deserving who serve the Amarr Empire. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Forty Three Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.03 15:30:00 - [52] Originally by: Sepherim Forty Three, I'm afraid you are wrong. Treason is a political term, and it relates to established organizations and states. Treason, with a capitol T, relates to the state each of one belongs to. Thus, stealing from that state and turning your back to it, attacking when you were told not to and so on... that is Treason. Check your political books, if you have some, before speaking of concepts you do not understand. And, as you, many others who have talked here. Indeed, Treason is a political term... Muritor may have been a deserter, but he never attacked anyone in the Republic... thus he is not a traitor... I do not know how you define treason in your filthy empire, but, I advise you, stay out of this, this is an issue between matari... we don't need your pathetic attempts at discord... oh and it's capitAl... go read your spelling books, if you have any UNITY!!!
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.03 15:33:00 - [53] To clarify to the above, before anyone draws too many conclusions, I am speaking here as a private person and so is Aodha Khan. Neither of us has the authority to speak on this in the name of Namtz'aar K'in. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient now.
Hakera Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.03 16:20:00 - [54] Originally by: Aodha Khan Glad to know you will not be making any blows and leaving it up to the people of Matar just as I had hoped. I can now safely put your rhetoric aside and hope this issue can be resolved without more bloodshed and murder. Diplomacy has its time and place. The time for peace is over, if the republic is to stand for anything other than a rotting carcass of a once great people. I will not allow the agents of the empire to condemn our people to whither away into nothing whilst that Republic preaches peace as the best course of action. Muritors sacrifice will not be in vein as his last act of defiance was uncovering the corruption this foreign ideal of democracy has brought. I have lived with being targeted and ostracized by the Republic in their smear campaigns for years. I have watched the government news agencies publish article after article on us. Their campaigns may of turned people against us, but it is our place to sacrifice for them even when we are not welcome or wanted and lead them home. We cannot allow them to sink further into the abyss. Make no mistake when I say this, if the government are not removed from power and leadership restored to the tribes, measures will be taken which their assassins & puppets will not be able to cover up what is coming. Decide quickly where you stand.
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.03 16:34:00 - [55] I will not derail the thread out of respect for its originator, but those who think to lead the Ushra'Khan off its chosen path, by the use of simple argument and diplomacy, have not studied their history. Let the Lords of Chaos rule? ----------------------------------------------
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:06:00 - [56] Edited by: zoolkhan on 03/02/2007 19:05:42 Originally by: Shira d'Radonis You lack the power to overthrow the Republic, and you both lack the power to fight each other and prevent the Amarr from exploiting the internal struggle. Alone, we lack the power. There is a simple solution: dont leave us alone Abaddon the corrupt republic. Unity is not ushra'khan - unity is the matari people against the oppressors. YOU! can be part of it. It is also in YOR hand to ged rid of the cancer within the republic. dont expect U'K to solve all your problems alone. It is YOU and US together, who will be able to make it happen. Our people will never be free as long the enemy is within us. Join the rebellion, you know there is no other way. Midular is corrupt. Her aparratus is corrupt That does not mean the entire republic is it. Originally by: Shira d'Radonis EVERYONE is going to have to admit fault and everyone is going to have to let a few bad guys get away with their crimes. It is the only way. Karin knew what reaction the assasination would provoke if it turns into civil war, then it is entirely her fault alone. now let us see, if the entire republic goverment is ready to take responsibility for her corruption, and the war that may come. if the people stay united, then the goverment will listen - if ushra'khan stands alone, then a war is far more likely.. join unity - unite. U'K recruit! contact me ingame for free eve webshosting
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:13:00 - [57] Wait so UK would pay me to kill this Republic flunky? Finally seeing the Republic for the failure it is eh? about time you took the blinders off. where was her last known location? Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Ottom Ephesianos Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:24:00 - [58] I am in full support of this. The ramifications of the Minmatar Republics refusal to come to terms with their inevitable war with the Amarr Empire seems to prove that the leadership within those brothers ranks is as rot as the Amarrians and must be resolved. --------------------------------- "Trust me I've done this before." Elite R. Ephesianos ---------------------------------
Chishan Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.03 23:50:00 - [59] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Wait so UK would pay me to kill this Republic flunky? Finally seeing the Republic for the failure it is eh? about time you took the blinders off. where was her last known location? Many of us denounced the Republic long ago. As there are those of us who haven't. I imagine even now we will have our members who speak up for the Republic. Although I can't imagine anyone in U'K ever defending Midular. Especially now. The Ushra'Khan are free, and as such we are allowed to have our own opinions as far as I've seen. That said, to say that Ushra'Khan have been wearing blinders is a mistake. We are the ones who have been trying to remove the blinders from others.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.04 00:37:00 - [60] Chishan is quite right. I once served the Republic. In my opinion the Republic is a good system. I would like to see some changes. Firstly I would like to see all the tribes represented, not just four. Greater effort should be made to reconcile with the Thukker and rumours of Starkmanir survivors should be followed up. The Republic needs to compromise more with our own people as we are very diverse and do not all dance to one drum. Secondly I do not think any tribe should have prominance over another. The Sebiestor tribe is not the Matari people and should not be the sole voice. Proportional representation has it's place but in matters of the nation all tribes should be equal. Thirdly, once the Republic is open to the voices of all Matari instead of a few we must turn our eye to unfinished business. Millions of our people are still held in thrall by the Empire. We must rescue them as a matter of the highest priority. Those we rescue can be settled on planets we capture from the Amarr. Only once our people are free again should we look inward and rebuild the paradise we once had. If Midular would rather have a man like Muritor slain in cold blood then see our people free then I say she is not fit to enter the halls of our ancestors. She shames their memory. We are not the ones who should be exile, it is Midular and her self serving cronies. It is time for new leadership. It is time for a new Republic. A Rebuplic for the people and of the people. All of them. >> RECRUITING <<

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