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Karn Mithralia Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.06 05:38:00 - [91] Originally by: Sholar I cannot believe that this is how Muritor would have wanted the freedom fighters to respond to his death. Believe it or not as you wish, but as comms came in live of Muritors death and how it came about I was left with the very clear impression he knew exactly what he was doing and exactly how U'K would respond to it. Nothing else explains him simply surrendering to his fate as he did. The manner of his death did one thing nothing else could do: it showed the Republic for what it really is. There is no other path than a violent one as long as slavers live. Come on, enough of this peace making dribble, our bar fights are more fiesty than most of the rubbish on this summit. We're warriors, we wage war, only question is, who's the enemy? ----------------------------------------- Now recruiting.
Vreena Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.06 05:40:00 - [92] I have a question for the Ushra'Khan. And please, I don't mean to insult so if I do, please don't take offense. You have called for the death of Midular because you believe her actions to be unworthy of her current post in the Republic. You have been asked again and again to remove this bounty and you refuse saying that it is only what she did herself and that it is just. Some among you have called for re-elections and these calls has been heard by those Minmatar who do not agree with this call for death but that she is not fit to govern your people. Please correct me if I have any of those facts wrong. My question is three fold, one that has been asked already by the EM. Why will you not call off this bounty and settle for a re-election without blood shed? If what she did was so wrong, why are you repeating her mistake? And IF Midular is re-elected, what is your plan? Vreena ----- One Caracal down. You're not gettin' another any time soon.
Raivi Explosion Matrix	Posted - 2007.02.06 05:45:00 - [93] Edited by: Raivi on 06/02/2007 05:43:11 ----------------------------------------- Explosion Matrix: Our Name Makes No Sense
Raivi Explosion Matrix	Posted - 2007.02.06 05:49:00 - [94] Edited by: Raivi on 06/02/2007 05:45:22 ((Double Post)) ----------------------------------------- Explosion Matrix: Our Name Makes No Sense
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Sholar Minmatar Explosion Matrix	Posted - 2007.02.06 05:51:00 - [96] I see nothing in the late Captain Muritor's communications transcript that suggests he would advocate attempts on the life of Karin Midular. There are many other ways to motivate the Republic into action than violence. In that transcript I see only a desire to unite the Loyalists and those allied with the Defiants together against their common enemy of the slavers. Strikes against the Republic government will cause the death of many of the honorable men in the Fleet that he spoke of, as well as weakening Ushra'Khan's position and providing Midular an opportunity to rally the planetside populations to her and avoid an election. Originally by: Karn Mithralia We're warriors, we wage war, only question is, who's the enemy? The enemy is the Empire and it's slavers. Any infighting among the Matari only distracts from the efforts to free those in bondage. ----------------------------------------- Explosion Matrix: Our Name Makes No Sense
Occasus Vim Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.06 06:13:00 - [97] Originally by: Sholar The enemy is the Empire and it's slavers. Any infighting among the Matari only distracts from the efforts to free those in bondage. We agree! This is our argument. Thank you for understanding it. But, if I may redraw the past to clarify the meaning, once again: The Republic assassinated Muritor. Muritor got into that situation because he wanted to actively free our people from bondage, but the Republic would not allow it, so he went rogue. This is the cause of the infighting, not the bounty on Midular. This began many many months ago. Permit me to quote your wise words again: Quote: Any infighting among the Matari only distracts from the efforts to free those in bondage. Again, you are correct. Marvelously correct. The sore point is that the Republic has not made adequate effort to free those in bondage, and in fact, they have cut down someone whose sole purpose in this world was to do just that. We simply want unified effort to free those in bondage. Midular will not do this, so we move for changes. When Karishal was talking about honorable members in the Fleet, he was talking about people who would actively fight to free our people if they would only receive the order to do so. The will is there, the bureaucracy just does not support it at the moment.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.06 06:16:00 - [98] If we get elections will we drop the 1 kredit bounty on Midular's head? In honesty I do not see the two as connected. The bounty is there because she had Karishal murdered. Prime Minister or Janitor it doesn't change what she did. Blood calls out for blood. However, if justice for Karishal is the price for elections then personally I would consider it. I am however not the one you need to convince. Out of interest would we be able to vote? Would the Thukker be represented? We are not members of the Republic but perhaps if the Republic were to change perhaps we could be. Originally by: Rocius I do belive you sir may be under the influence of drugs yourself. Frankly haveing to constantly hear crap from a bunch of sepratists that seem to be more self centered for their own hind quarters than the good of that which the scream so loudly against? Tell me sir, how is the view from the sidelines?... More Republican drivel. Sidelines indeed. Try frontlines. Go back to your mining lasers. >> RECRUITING <<
Sholar Minmatar Explosion Matrix	Posted - 2007.02.06 06:26:00 - [99] I completely agree that Karin Midular should be condemned for the slaying of Captain Muritor. I know that the fighters of Ushra'Khan have always believed that the unity of all Matari against slavery was the only way to free those in bondage within the Empire. Your calls for an election so that the people can hold Midular to account are echoed by many others, from leaders of alliances to many individual Matari freelances such as myself. Where we begin to differ is over the merits of a bounty on the head of the leader of the Republic as protest. I understand that a bounty of 1 ISK is not intended to attract bounty hunters to assassinate Midular, but any calls for the death of the leader of the Republic will be seen as a call for attacks against your brothers and sisters in the Republic. All it will do is alienate Ushra'Khan from the Republic and the Loyalists, and lead to a dangerous confrontation. We are a people of action, but we are also a people able to resolve our conflicts among ourselves with peace and with respect for the traditions and institutions that bind us together. We must not shatter the fragile unity of the Matari through brinkmanship and the threat of more infighting. ----------------------------------------- Explosion Matrix: Our Name Makes No Sense
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.06 12:03:00 - [100] The bounty of one kredit will remain on Midulars head for the time being. We can all agree a diplomatic solution is preferable. We can all agree that the Matari should be united in the face of a common enemy. Electus Matari, Namtz'aar k'in. You long been vocal defenders of the Republic. The Republic is an institution, the Republic is it's people. Send out a call for elections. Call for demonstrations and rallies. The Ushra'Khan give our word we will stear clear of them if you wish or as a sign of good faith those of our pilots able to make the journey will attend in unarmed shuttles. Open a diplomatic path and we will walk it. I have high hopes for where it may lead us. >> RECRUITING <<
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.06 12:17:00 - [101] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 06/02/2007 12:19:43 (Deleted.) -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient now.
Rocius Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.06 12:21:00 - [102] Edited by: Rocius on 06/02/2007 12:21:59 Originally by: Telemicus Thrace The bounty of one kredit will remain on Midulars head for the time being. We can all agree a diplomatic solution is preferable. We can all agree that the Matari should be united in the face of a common enemy. Electus Matari, Namtz'aar k'in. You long been vocal defenders of the Republic. The Republic is an institution, the Republic is it's people. Send out a call for elections. Call for demonstrations and rallies. The Ushra'Khan give our word we will stear clear of them if you wish or as a sign of good faith those of our pilots able to make the journey will attend in unarmed shuttles. Open a diplomatic path and we will walk it. I have high hopes for where it may lead us. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=470628 Perhaps that is the begining Telemicus. Perhaps we should allow the process to work in steps. Know this, should the answer come, and a call for elections is indeed due, I will be right there in the forefront making that call as well. Rocius CEO, Gradient
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.06 12:30:00 - [103] Originally by: Rocius Edited by: Rocius on 06/02/2007 12:21:59 Originally by: Telemicus Thrace The bounty of one kredit will remain on Midulars head for the time being. We can all agree a diplomatic solution is preferable. We can all agree that the Matari should be united in the face of a common enemy. Electus Matari, Namtz'aar k'in. You long been vocal defenders of the Republic. The Republic is an institution, the Republic is it's people. Send out a call for elections. Call for demonstrations and rallies. The Ushra'Khan give our word we will stear clear of them if you wish or as a sign of good faith those of our pilots able to make the journey will attend in unarmed shuttles. Open a diplomatic path and we will walk it. I have high hopes for where it may lead us. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=470628 Perhaps that is the begining Telemicus. Perhaps we should allow the process to work in steps. Know this, should the answer come, and a call for elections is indeed due, I will be right there in the forefront making that call as well. That is not a call for elections. That is request for permission to carry out Midulars orders. Electus Matari then, will you demand elections? will you organise rallies to let the people speak? >> RECRUITING <<
Rocius Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.06 12:44:00 - [104] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace That is not a call for elections. That is request for permission to carry out Midulars orders. Electus Matari then, will you demand elections? will you organise rallies to let the people speak? Oh for gods sake you ever blind idiot. Nothing is ever good enough for you is it? No its not a damn call for elections. Its a call for an answer to the current issue. I am not some fringespacer that can feel free to do what ever whim takes me. There are processes that should be taken. I know that your stereotypical bloodlust is not acceptable to this, but frankly, I dont care. Hold out an olive branch, and all you guys want to do is burn it. This isnt Ushra'Khan seeking truth, this is a witch hunt. No matter the answer you hear, if it isnt Midular is wrong and leaves office, your not going to be happy. Go then, seek your witch hunt Thrace. I will seek the truth. No matter that I may, or may not like that truth. Rocius CEO, Gradient
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.06 13:12:00 - [105] Originally by: Rocius Originally by: Telemicus Thrace That is not a call for elections. That is request for permission to carry out Midulars orders. Electus Matari then, will you demand elections? will you organise rallies to let the people speak? Oh for gods sake you ever blind idiot. Nothing is ever good enough for you is it? No its not a damn call for elections. Its a call for an answer to the current issue. I am not some fringespacer that can feel free to do what ever whim takes me. There are processes that should be taken. I know that your stereotypical bloodlust is not acceptable to this, but frankly, I dont care. Hold out an olive branch, and all you guys want to do is burn it. This isnt Ushra'Khan seeking truth, this is a witch hunt. No matter the answer you hear, if it isnt Midular is wrong and leaves office, your not going to be happy. Go then, seek your witch hunt Thrace. I will seek the truth. No matter that I may, or may not like that truth. I'm seeking elections. That is not a call for elections. Make up whatever you like, insult me as much as you like. We ask for a diplomatic path in the form of a call for elections and this is your response. This response is your notion of an olive branch? You are a joke. Electus Matari or any other Republic citizen who feels capable and willing, we turn to you now. >> RECRUITING <<
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.06 13:17:00 - [106] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 06/02/2007 13:13:45 Originally by: Telemicus Thrace I'm seeking elections. That is not a call for elections. So basically what you are saying is "call for an election or else", still. Now give me the other line, and make this a negotiation instead of a threat. What exactly will you do, if there is such a call from us - and I mean before any such call is answered? -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient now.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.06 13:58:00 - [107] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 06/02/2007 13:16:54 Originally by: Telemicus Thrace I'm seeking elections. That is not a call for elections. So basically what you are saying is "call for an election or else", still. Now give me the other line, and make this a negotiation instead of a threat. What exactly will you do, if there is such a call from us - and I mean before any such call is answered? Not that I am sure if I can, before waiting for a response from the government, but just to inform the public. We all agree that a diplomatic solution is preferable. The Republic leadership should be chosen by the people. What objection to giving the people of the Republic the option to choose a leader other than Midular do you have? Call for elections and for what it's worth we will back that call. We can stay away from it or we are happy to attend rallies in unarmed ships as a sign of trust and good faith. Open a diplomatic path for us in the form of a call for elections and we will walk it is the offer put before you. Considering we are only here because the Republic Fleet has started killing prominent freedom fighters I think that is a more than fair offer under the circumstances. If Midular is re-elected then we will all know where we stand and we will know that it is the will of the people that she acts in their name. >> RECRUITING <<
Meklon Caldari Minmatar United Freedom Front Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.02.06 14:24:00 - [108] Edited by: Meklon on 06/02/2007 14:20:57 Telemicus, I am sure you have already reviewed what the Electus Matari are trying to achieve, however we cannot move forward until we recieved a response from the Republic governing bodies. In all honesty, it is somewhat dis-couraging that the Republic have yet to release a public statement on this matter as it only makes them appear guilty. I will not personally comment on the current state of affairs until all the facts have been gathered and properly investigated. I understand Ushra'Khans lust for Midular's head, but please, not on behalf of the Republic nor on behalf of Electus Matari, but on behalf of the Matari people who still rely on the Republic as a haven for peace and prosperity, do not escalte these matters with Midular's death, give us the time needed the get an official response and the remainder of the facts that we are still short of. I have shed blood with pilots of Ushra'Khan for the Matari many times, I do not wish to shed blood against them - give us the time we need. -=======- -=======- -=======- -=======- -=======- -=======- -=======- -=======-
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.09 18:39:00 - [109] Well, the Republic spoke, and I have officially called for elections. __________________________________________ What I say should not be taken as the position of Gradient or NMTZ.
Cz Ire Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.10 09:32:00 - [110] These are personal veiws, I am not speaking in my official capacity for this. The one thing I think you are all forgetting is the republic is NOT a democracy. we are not the gallente. Our tribal leaders are the one who support Midular. If elections are called for, is that not to replace your individual tribe's leader? I, for one, accept there are good and valid reasons and that Midular did Not act on this issue without the approval of the tribal leaders. Doubt Midular if you will, but do you doubt Shakor and the like? oh, wait. You guys left the republic, didnt you? your not represented, and have given up all rights to voice your objection, since you somehow thought that would solve something, acting on your own. so, calls to replace Midular are pointless, since in the end its up to the tribal leaders. You can call for the replacement of your tribal leader if you doubt their competence. I dont. What happened to karishal is a tragidy, a great man was indeed lost. I however, accept that after many repeated attempts to bring him back peacefully, that this was the only option left, and respect Admiral Kanth for carrying out his mission personally - quite possibly killing his best freind for the republic cannot be an easy thing. Karishal it seems to me, by all reports, knew what was going to happen and chose to face this. He decided to die by the hands of the man he respected the most rather than continue his path of treason. I do not claim to know if he did this out of regret and wish to end his path he chose in a moment of anger, or determination, an attempt to turn himself into a martyr at the height of his infamy. The bottom line remains, however, that this has, in the end, done little. The seperatist are more angry at the republic, the republicans see what was done as nessisary, the amarrians are more angry with the minmatar race as a whole. The exact situation that we projected would occur - as a BEST case scenario - when karishal stole the fleet vessels. And aside from all of these new tensions, I fail to see a significant lasting amount of good that the defiants have done, when compaired to the harm. To the remaining Defiant commanders; I will not list names publically, but I will be contacting each of you individually - give up this path of hatered. You will accomplish nothing but a death that history will brand as tratiorous. Return that which is Republic property back to the fleet, so it can be used EFFECTIVLY against the amarrians, and not squandered piecemeal in some meaningless skirmish. When the golden fleets come in force to exterminate all that our people are completely, we will miss those ships and lives you squandered for no reason. If you will not return, offer the choice to your remaining crews - Karishal did the same; and gave every man under his command the personal choice - stay with him, or return to the republic. Remember that the majority chose to remain, and the capital ships were run on skeleton crews initially. Karishal's has never been the popular choice, only the fanatic's. Ushra'kan, your threats against the republic leadership is staggering. We have never agreed on the path we must take, but by posting a bounty on Karin Midular's head you have all but declared war on the republic. You continue to weaken us, and at this rate my opinion of you will go from misguided freedom fighters to terrorists more on the side of the amarrians - surely you and the defiants have been hurting us more than them recently. I have always tried to call for us to bridge our diffrences and work together - Karishal has made this all but impossible since he left the republic. I accept that you will never accept what the republic has done, and I even know that Karin Midular may step down due to pressure from this debaucle. In the end, however, no matter how we might disagree on what happened, we need to remain focused on the real threat: the amarrians. continued --- "They saw the long road, the harder road. The road that would ensure what we had gained in the vicious rebellion would not be squandered... our freedom." - Republic Fleet Admiral Kanth Filmir
Cz Ire Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.10 09:33:00 - [111] They want to destroy everything that makes us what we are. Karishal understood this, even to his death, that we should never even consider raising arms against the republic. Many of his final words have been quoted, but the one that rings in my ears are his orders to cease fire on republic vessels, and his refusal to fire back. --- "They saw the long road, the harder road. The road that would ensure what we had gained in the vicious rebellion would not be squandered... our freedom." - Republic Fleet Admiral Kanth Filmir
Hori To Kinda'Shujaa Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.10 13:30:00 - [112] I for one did not forsake my sebestior ancestry when I joined the U'K, I am a sebestior tribal member, and technically, Ushra'Khan is just a place of employment, so I still have the right to voice my opinion on the affairs of the republic. I never left the republic, I just changed place of employment from the republic fleet (in which I proudly served) to Kinda'Shujaa which is a member of the Ushra'Khan alliance (where I proudly serve today). Midular is an incompetent fool and should be replaced by someone more worthy to lead the tribes.
Patamon	Posted - 2007.02.10 14:10:00 - [113] Originally by: Hori To I for one did not forsake my sebestior ancestry when I joined the U'K, I am a sebestior tribal member, and technically, Ushra'Khan is just a place of employment, so I still have the right to voice my opinion on the affairs of the republic. I never left the republic, I just changed place of employment from the republic fleet (in which I proudly served) to Kinda'Shujaa which is a member of the Ushra'Khan alliance (where I proudly serve today). Midular is an incompetent fool and should be replaced by someone more worthy to lead the tribes. Hori you are within your right to make such an outcry. I would die to defend that right. However to openly call for the assasination of a leader and lets face it, that is what this bounty mess is, is completely wrong. Those that support this bounty I beg you to stop, you are dishonoring the memory of a great warrior and doing actions in his name that tarnish that memory. Withdraw the bounty and call for the elections, that is as it should be and as he would want it.
Hori To Kinda'Shujaa Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.10 15:02:00 - [114] elections? we are not the gallente, I don't really care how it is done, but Karin Midular needs to be removed from office, and stand trial for the crimes she has commited. Being head of state is not a carte-blance for ignoring the law.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.11 06:41:00 - [115] Originally by: Cz Ire ...oh, wait. You guys left the republic, didnt you? your not represented, and have given up all rights to voice your objection, since you somehow thought that would solve something, acting on your own... Yes we did. No, we are not represented but we would consider it if the offer was made to us. We have every right to voice anything we please, we are free. The Amarr are welcomed in the Republic and their complaints acted on when they feel threatened by heros like Karishal. Are you trying to tell me that the Republic fleet can ambush one of our allies and no right to object. That very idea is why all free Matari must rise and must voice their objections. Matari should be put before Amarr always, in all things. Originally by: Cz Ire ...so, calls to replace Midular are pointless..., since in the end its up to the tribal leaders. You can call for the replacement of your tribal leader if you doubt their competence... Well outlaw or not I am still Sebiestor so I call for the replacement of Karin Midular. Originally by: Cz Ire ...Ushra'kan, your threats against the republic leadership is staggering. We have never agreed on the path we must take, but by posting a bounty on Karin Midular's head you have all but declared war on the republic... A single kredit bounty on the head of an Amarr collaborator is an act of war? Assassinating one of our greatest warriors is not? We have threatened Midular, eye for an eye. Midular is not the Republic. The Republic is the people, perhaps after you have attended some of the rallies in the cities or the vigils for a fallen hero you should ask them if they consider us at war. You do not even speak for your alliance, do not presume to speak for the entire Republic. >> RECRUITING <<
Doc Extropy Gallente Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.11 09:26:00 - [116] Edited by: Doc Extropy on 11/02/2007 09:23:50 It was always my opinion that EVERYONE who does even talk with the Amarr empire is a traitor to humanity. Like CONCORD actively supports and encourages slavery, Midular actively supports and encourages Amarr power.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:02:00 - [117] Where is the withdrawal of this, now that there has been a loyalist call for changing the government? -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient now.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:14:00 - [118] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Where is the withdrawal of this, now that there has been a loyalist call for changing the government? The two are not linked. It was suggested as a bargining chip and the request was denied. Midular still has Karishals blood on her hands and it is for that reason the bounty is on her head. I might as well ask why me and my men have not yet recieved full pardons. Like I said, I am not the one you need to convince. I'm just pointing out what you already know. I have neither the power or right to remove that bounty. >> RECRUITING <<
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:20:00 - [119] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace The two are not linked. It was suggested as a bargining chip and the request was denied. I seriously do not know what to answer to this. You repeatedly state U'K would retract the hostilities if there was a loyalist call for re-elections, and now that there is one, you say it is completely unrelated and that your request has been denied? No power or right - no, but will you speak for it? Surely you have influence inside your organization. "I rest my case" comes to mind, as a thing to say. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient now.
Hori To Kinda'Shujaa Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.12 21:29:00 - [120] regardless of any elections, military coups revolts or other political stuff, Karin Midular did what she did, and she will pay the price of her choice.

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