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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2016.06.09 15:30:43 -
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Drazz Caylen wrote:Amak Boma wrote:what kind of workaround I know someone who hasn't seen a launcher in ages and only boots directly from the bin folder. If there is a patch, that person uses the repair function to "patch", which is outside of any launcher. If by "repair function" you are referring to the old Repair Tool, then that will stop working as a part of us phasing out the old launcher.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2016.06.09 15:36:22 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:3.2% of the playerbase uses vista or XP still?? That was me a month or two ago. Table here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6522954#post6522954
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2016.06.09 15:39:00 -
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tearshed wrote:CCP, you still haven't answered. What about Steam users? We will be updating the launcher that Steam uses in July.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2016.06.09 15:48:39 -
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Juana Cavin-Guang wrote:Quote: On June 30th 2016 we will discontinue support for the old EVE launcher, which will also bring our Windows XP and Vista support to an end.
Okay, fair enough. This is quite understandable. Quote: Players still using Windows XP will be unable to launch the EVE client from the new EVE Launcher.
Hey now, hold up just a second here! Just because you will no longer provide support for the OS doesn't mean you should go out of your way to PREVENT anybody using that OS from running Eve. At the very least, change it such that running Eve is done at the user's own risk, and any issues or degraded performance of Eve that arise from using the unsupported OS will not be addressed by the developer team, and all issues involving crashes/etc. will NOT be refunded, even in instances where if the same issue is present in a currently supported OS that would ordinarily warrant a refund (such as losing a ship due to the issue, etc.). I can completely understand dropping support, yes, but please let the users attempt it anyway at their own risk, with perhaps a few additional notes and additional limitations to preventing abuse and encourage them to upgrade. The "we don't support it therefore we prevent unsupported ones from ever using our software" dogma that plagues the mobile market should be left as a mobile market unique problem, and not expand to other types of software. This will be the case for Windows Vista; it will no longer be supported but will probably work for a while. We know for a fact this will not be the case for Windows XP, the application doesn't work on Windows XP.
We are not explicitly blocking certain operating systems, we simply know if they work or not. The new EVE Launcher won't work on Windows XP, it will work (at least for some time) on Windows Vista but we are not going to be testing it, and then there is the list of supported operating systems, from Windows 7 onwards.
For more details, please refer to https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6522815#post6522815
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
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Posted - 2016.06.09 17:37:08 -
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I'd like to thank CCP Explorer for providing that information, it is truly appreciated. I'd like to give an extra thanks for posting the stats. I would almost bet money that before Windows 10 was available, the vast majority had Windows 7. And I wouldn't want to make another bet at how many people want to go back from 10 to 7.
At any rate, would you be so kind and comment on the following tangent in regards to our ukrainian capsuleer please:
npumapx wrote:but to put dx11 need to buy a new system unit that costs $ 500 No, you don't. If you are still on Windows XP and you have a graphics card that is not even compatible with DirectX 10, then a new operating system and a new mediocre GPU that can play eve with no issues will cost you less than half of that. You would need even less if you already have a compatible graphics card. It was stated that any graphics card that ran DX10 would basically run DX11 too, sans a few features. If it is a geforce 8000something, you should be good and only need a new windows.
Back to CCP; Does that mean you're clipping native DX10 as well? Because I only see talk about DX9 and DX11. If we talk about regular compatibility, then the only thing that would change in your system requirements is the operating system, since the Geforce 8 series is DX10 and thus would probably eat the most things that DX11 throws at it. Is there anything you can comment about that? Will the minimum required graphics chip change? Or will everything that ran DX10 also run your needs for DX11 ?
Serene Atruin wrote: I'm at a loss of how I'm going to play considering the only launcher that works for me is the old one. I can only say that a clean installation of eve online posed no problems on my end with the new launcher. I could trace and troubleshoot some issues of others in migrating settings and some shenanigans Eve pulls in system folders and registry edits when you switched from old to new system. If it isn't enough to wipe all of eve from your drives including everything in "user\AppData\Local\CCP\EVE" after you backed up the settings in there elsewhere, you might want to look into remnants in the registry pointing to legacy files. Your logs and screenshots will be unaffected as those are in "user\my documents" When you reinstalled windows, did you make sure to wipe the drive before you attempted to install windows or did you install it in a different partition altogether? because sometimes the OS installer tries to be smart and grab things already existing on the platter.
Lan Wang wrote:why are you not upgrading to 10? Why should we upgrade to 10? Let's put all the security and privacy talk aside for a moment; it's a bloated, convoluted and messy piece of UI. It's basically 8.2, and that doesn't mean it's a net improvement, as for every bonus you get at least one penalty. It might yield net improvements for games, as seen by some benchmarks, but that's with a clean installation. An aged Win10 will probably perform just as bad as 8, if not worse. http://www.tweakguides.com/newsarch_mar16.html#NoWin10
Windows 10 might be usable at a point when there is an equivalent to Service pack 3 was for Windows XP. Before SP3, Windows XP was just as rotten. If I had to make a judgement call, it's either going to be Win 11 or Linux, depending on how Vulkan pans out. |
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CCP Tellus
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.09 17:53:30 -
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Drazz Caylen wrote:Does that mean you're clipping native DX10 as well? Because I only see talk about DX9 and DX11. If we talk about regular compatibility, then the only thing that would change in your system requirements is the operating system, since the Geforce 8 series is DX10 and thus would probably eat the most things that DX11 throws at it. Is there anything you can comment about that? Will the minimum required graphics chip change? Or will everything that ran DX10 also run your needs for DX11 ? We never implemented DirectX 10 support in EVE. Not all DirectX 10 graphics cards are capable of DirectX 11.
For NVIDIA, you need a Fermi card (GeForce 4xx series and up) or newer to run DirectX 11, while Tesla (GeForce 8xxx, 9xxx, 2xx, and 3xx series) only supports DirectX 10 and older.
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Darth Donut
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.06.09 23:09:39 -
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Like others in this thread I am also running Windows 7 and I tried the new launcher. It didn't work. I logged a ticket (127803) which was basically ignored and then closed without resolution.
Like others in this thread I am also experiencing a SSL error.
Please CCP, fix the Windows 7 "Tranquility - SSL handshake failed" bug before June 30th.
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PCaBoo
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.06.10 01:40:21 -
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Hello,for EVE i update my os to win10,looks is good , my old launcher and file in drive E:,i installed new launcher in drive C: but new problem is how to Migrate my settings to new launcher? |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.10 08:56:57 -
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Drazz Caylen wrote:I'd like to thank CCP Explorer for providing that information, it is truly appreciated. I'd like to give an extra thanks for posting the stats. I would almost bet money that before Windows 10 was available, the vast majority had Windows 7. Not sure if I would categorize it as vast, but Windows 7 was clearly in the lead ahead of Windows 8 / 8.1 at the time of the release of Windows 10, and while Windows 7 just continued its steady decline then Windows 8 / 8.1 dropped in usage.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2016.06.10 09:05:17 -
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Everyone who has a specific issue using the new Launcher, e.g., SSL errors or migration questions; please post a new topic here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=7296
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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Koenig Yazria
Adversity. Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2016.06.10 17:30:05 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Drazz Caylen wrote:Amak Boma wrote:what kind of workaround I know someone who hasn't seen a launcher in ages and only boots directly from the bin folder. If there is a patch, that person uses the repair function to "patch", which is outside of any launcher. If by "repair function" you are referring to the old Repair Tool, then that will stop working as a part of us phasing out the old launcher.
Can you like not remove the most and in many cases only reliable way to launch the game ? |
Demolishar
United Aggression
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Posted - 2016.06.10 18:58:44 -
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I wonder if some enterprising and community-minded player could compile downloadable patches and host them somewhere [like what we had before the launcher was introduced].
I have no personal interest in this as I made the switch to Linux from XP in February and have no intention of ever using any non-free OS ever again. |
Lari Wolf
Obsidian Cat
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Posted - 2016.06.10 19:04:36 -
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From Russia with misunderstanding, translated by Google.
Launched through exefile.exe in Win XP client will function? If "yes", how much time will continue to use in WinXP?
CCP Explorer wrote:Drazz Caylen wrote:Amak Boma wrote:what kind of workaround I know someone who hasn't seen a launcher in ages and only boots directly from the bin folder. If there is a patch, that person uses the repair function to "patch", which is outside of any launcher. If by "repair function" you are referring to the old Repair Tool, then that will stop working as a part of us phasing out the old launcher.
Replacing "repair tool" will be created?
DonGÇÖt use the Force, Luke, try to think!
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
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Posted - 2016.06.10 19:25:47 -
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Lari Wolf wrote:From Russia with misunderstanding, translated by Google. Launched through exefile.exe in Win XP client will function? If "yes", how much time will continue to use in WinXP? CCP Explorer wrote:Drazz Caylen wrote:Amak Boma wrote:what kind of workaround I know someone who hasn't seen a launcher in ages and only boots directly from the bin folder. If there is a patch, that person uses the repair function to "patch", which is outside of any launcher. If by "repair function" you are referring to the old Repair Tool, then that will stop working as a part of us phasing out the old launcher. Replacing "repair tool" will be created?
maybe he means "things will just work"....doubt it though
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KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
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Posted - 2016.06.10 22:59:29 -
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I skipped a page or two in this thread, so apologies if this was answered...
How can you tell which launcher you're using? Seems dumb, but I re-subbed in late May and copied some of the EvE files from old PC and re-downloaded others. All seems to be working fine, but I don't know if I've got the new or old launcher.
I appreciate any info
KB
Dum Spiro Spero
Not getting SP for not killing a rat is like not getting ore for not mining an asteroid.
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2016.06.10 23:06:49 -
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KaarBaak wrote:How can you tell which launcher you're using?
Old
New
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Coriolis Chandrasekhar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.06.10 23:24:45 -
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Resinball wrote:thank ******* god... the chip manufacturers are even on board with this, which is even more reason to force an upgrade for an old dead systems with huge security holes. NO MORE SUB 10!!! HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF YOU CANT USE THE WINDOWS 10 FREE UPGRADE (Even from HACKED Versions this WORKS!!!!) YOU'RE Doing it wrong.
Thank you CCP For ending legacy device support.
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Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima Astromechanica Federatis
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Posted - 2016.06.11 20:19:26 -
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Still waiting after CCP Vertex, maybe you can answer for him. Will you allow the launcher to manage several installations of the game separately, as in not launched with the same ID? |
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
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Posted - 2016.06.12 00:42:10 -
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Lari Wolf wrote:Replacing "repair tool" will be created? No, it will not.
CCP Explorer wrote:.... Repair Tool... will stop working ...
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Moostang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.06.12 01:23:12 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:and puts us in a better position to end DirectX 9 support in the near future.
Please fix the client crashes that occur with DX11. If i use DX9 the client never crashes. But with DX11 it frequently crashes. |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.12 13:02:03 -
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Lari Wolf wrote:From Russia with misunderstanding, translated by Google.
Launched through exefile.exe in Win XP client will function? If "yes", how much time will continue to use in WinXP? Yes, that will work. We can't guarantee for how long that will work and you would have to be able to patch using some other (not supported) mechanism than the new launcher.
Lari Wolf wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Drazz Caylen wrote:Amak Boma wrote:what kind of workaround I know someone who hasn't seen a launcher in ages and only boots directly from the bin folder. If there is a patch, that person uses the repair function to "patch", which is outside of any launcher. If by "repair function" you are referring to the old Repair Tool, then that will stop working as a part of us phasing out the old launcher. Replacing "repair tool" will be created? No, there won't be a separate tool, the new launcher patches, verifies integrity and repairs.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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Violent CEO
Violent Femmes
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Posted - 2016.06.12 14:17:28 -
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So my graphic card only supports up to DX 10.1, does that mean that in the future I wo't be able to play the game? Even tho I have windows 10 installed? |
Kebur Valeren
Han Solo Fridge
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Posted - 2016.06.13 09:14:56 -
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Lari Wolf wrote:Launched through exefile.exe in Win XP client will function?
CCP Explorer wrote:Yes, that will work.
Could you clarify something please, because the wording of the announcement is a bit odd.
Basically, the launcher currently (and I suspect the new version is no different) serves two purposes: update the client and launch it.
The announcement says that it will be not possible to "launch the client" from the new launcher. That raises two questions:
1) Would it be still possible to launch the client directly, not using the new launcher? Seems that gets a "yes" from a dev.
2) Would it be possible to use the new launcher for updating? That is unclear - if yes, then basically XP users are only losing the ability to launch a client from the launcher, which is not a big deal. If no, then what could be used for updating the client?
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2016.06.13 10:00:53 -
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Kebur Valeren wrote:Lari Wolf wrote:Launched through exefile.exe in Win XP client will function? CCP Explorer wrote:Yes, that will work. Could you clarify something please, because the wording of the announcement is a bit odd. Basically, the launcher currently (and I suspect the new version is no different) serves two purposes: update the client and launch it. The announcement says that it will be not possible to "launch the client" from the new launcher. That raises two questions: 1) Would it be still possible to launch the client directly, not using the new launcher? Seems that gets a "yes" from a dev. Yes; but we can't guarantee for how long that will work. At some point the game client itself will start to use functionality only available in Windows 7 and newer, or we remove the login functionality from the game client and require logins to happen through the launcher. But for now it will work on Windows XP, but is not supported.
Kebur Valeren wrote: 2) Would it be possible to use the new launcher for updating? That is unclear - if yes, then basically XP users are only losing the ability to launch a client from the launcher, which is not a big deal. If no, then what could be used for updating the client?
It won't be possible to use the new launcher to update on Windows XP, because the new launcher doesn't work on Windows XP. There is not going to be a replacement for update functionality on Windows XP.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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Kebur Valeren
Han Solo Fridge
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Posted - 2016.06.13 10:52:52 -
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CCP Explorer wrote: It won't be possible to use the new launcher to update on Windows XP, because the new launcher doesn't work on Windows XP. There is not going to be a replacement for update functionality on Windows XP.
So there will be no way to update the client on XP (like old-times style, when patches could have been simply downloaded and run), correct?
If so, maybe it should be reflected in the announcement. Because right now it is worded in a way that it will not be possible just "to launch the client" with the new launcher, but if it will not be possible to update the client either (with or without launcher), that effectively means that XP users will lose the ability to play the game with the first patch after that change. |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.13 11:32:39 -
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Kebur Valeren wrote:CCP Explorer wrote: It won't be possible to use the new launcher to update on Windows XP, because the new launcher doesn't work on Windows XP. There is not going to be a replacement for update functionality on Windows XP.
So there will be no way to update the client on XP (like old-times style, when patches could have been simply downloaded and run), correct? Correct; we are sunsetting Windows XP and not supporting it anymore.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima Astromechanica Federatis
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Posted - 2016.06.13 14:30:30 -
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No. What's correct is that you're removing the possibility to play EVE on XP.
Still waiting for an answer by the way. |
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.13 18:04:35 -
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Azahar Ortenegro wrote:Still waiting for an answer by the way. No, the new launcher does not support multiple installs of the client executable for a single server. I'd recommend explaining the complete problem (including the specific issue you're trying to solve, which if I understand correctly is stacking of the application icons in the Windows dock) in a thread in the Eve Launcher forum. The launcher developers monitor that area closely.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima Astromechanica Federatis
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Posted - 2016.06.13 20:18:04 -
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We'll see if they can change it before the end of the month. |
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
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Posted - 2016.06.13 22:11:01 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Yes, that will work. We can't guarantee for how long that will work and you would have to be able to patch using some other (not supported) mechanism than the new launcher.
But how? If the repair.exe will cease to work, and the old launcher will be deleted and the new launcher not functioning on Windows XP, what other options are there? Does it mean that Windows XP can still play eve until the first hotfix comes in, which might as well be the next day? Does it mean that manually downloading files from a sneaky community effort like www.eve-xp-lives.net will provide the changed files per patch to download and overwrite manually? Or is there another way that is legit?
Don't get me wrong, this is not bashing on you, but you've been just tearing the clouds apart that hung over the windows XP users but didn't quite deliver the ray of sunlight they waited for. If you tease something like that, could you please follow up with the steps and info necessary as to the future status quo of windows XP eve patching? I'm sure a good number of loyal eve fans will give you respect and gratitude if you share the backdoor past the fortification with them. |
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