Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 :: [one page] |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 44 post(s) |
|
CCP Falcon
12711
|
Posted - 2016.02.26 17:23:24 -
[1] - Quote
On June 30th 2016 we will discontinue support for the old EVE launcher which will also bring our Windows XP and Vista support to an end. Players still using Windows XP will be unable to launch the EVE client from the new EVE Launcher.
Microsoft ended the mainstream support for Windows XP 7 years ago (14 April 2009) and extended support ended 2 years ago (April 8th 2014). While we wanted to maintain support for XP and Vista for as long as possible, it is now causing too great a burden on our development team.
Although we are aware this change will affect 3.2% of our player base, we cannot continue to maintain the additional overhead supporting this platform causes. Sunsetting Windows XP support will simplify development and the complexity of our platform testing. This allows us more time to focus on new features, such as providing a smoother and more enjoyable experience on our DirectX 11 client and puts us in a better position to end DirectX 9 support in the near future.
You will have 4 months until we remove the old EVE Launcher access on June 30th 2016. If you are unsure what Operating system you have you can check on this site.
CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3
|
|
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
1130
|
Posted - 2016.02.26 17:33:11 -
[2] - Quote
Good riddance I say. |
|
CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
315
|
Posted - 2016.02.26 17:33:19 -
[3] - Quote
[Reserved]
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | Team Trilambda | @CCP_Vertex
|
|
JonnyPew
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
22
|
Posted - 2016.02.26 17:56:45 -
[4] - Quote
3.2% is more than I would've guessed
EVE Online is my hobby
http://www.youtube.com/JonnyPew
|
|
CCP Tellus
C C P C C P Alliance
43
|
Posted - 2016.02.26 17:57:52 -
[5] - Quote
Can we finally upgrade from Visual Studio 2010? |
|
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
111
|
Posted - 2016.02.26 17:59:16 -
[6] - Quote
CCP Tellus wrote:Can we finally upgrade from Visual Studio 2010? Vim, make, csh, gdb, gcc. What more could one need?
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
|
Athena Arbosa
10 Hammers Black Ops Division The Lost Fleet of Eve
0
|
Posted - 2016.02.26 18:18:51 -
[7] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:This allows us more time to focus on new features, such as providing a smoother and more enjoyable experience on our DirectX 11 client and puts us in a better position to end DirectX 9 support in the near future.
As a member of the Linux playerbase, dropping the old launcher isn't a matter to us, WINE handles the new one well. However, the same can't be said of DirectX11...
Do you have a timeline for the deprecation of DirectX9? Or should we expect it SoonGäó?
|
|
CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
315
|
Posted - 2016.02.26 18:31:42 -
[8] - Quote
Athena Arbosa wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:This allows us more time to focus on new features, such as providing a smoother and more enjoyable experience on our DirectX 11 client and puts us in a better position to end DirectX 9 support in the near future. As a member of the Linux playerbase, dropping the old launcher isn't a matter to us, WINE handles the new one well. However, the same can't be said of DirectX11... Do you have a timeline for the deprecation of DirectX9? Or should we expect it SoonGäó?
No current timeline is in place for DirectX9 sunset but we're thinking about it internally.
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | Team Trilambda | @CCP_Vertex
|
|
Eklykti
Zion foundation Legion of xXDEATHXx
45
|
Posted - 2016.02.26 18:42:34 -
[9] - Quote
DX11 support in Wine is still on the early development stage, so if you drop DX9 before Wine will be good enough in supporting DX11, all Linux players will be unable to login. This will be bad. |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
188
|
Posted - 2016.02.26 19:06:09 -
[10] - Quote
Hm. Yes I understand why. Yes I knew it wouldn't last forever. But still .....
Did you know I switched to Win XP on my secundary (bootcamp) partition because the client started working slower and disconnected more and more and more until I became unable to jump a stargate in MacOS/X ?
Well now you know. I could (should) have filed a bug report but I simply didn't know where to start. I literally watched the client degrade, reinstalling didn't cut is so I switched back to XP as a last resort and all my troubles were gone -snap!- just like that. All of a sudden, I could up the graphics from Low on Mac to High all the way. But really ..... it USED to run on Mac. Smooth even. Now it doesn't anymore and I don't know why.
Am I the only one with Mac troubles? Or does this mean I have to poke you for the next four months with said bugs (crashes, disconnects and 30-50 second freezes) to try to revert to MacOS before XP finally closes shop?
Yes I'm willing to put it in debug mode for your benefit if only I knew how. Anybody willing to look into the matter? |
|
Airi Cho
Dark-Rising
135
|
Posted - 2016.02.26 19:08:27 -
[11] - Quote
CCP Vertex wrote:Athena Arbosa wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:This allows us more time to focus on new features, such as providing a smoother and more enjoyable experience on our DirectX 11 client and puts us in a better position to end DirectX 9 support in the near future. As a member of the Linux playerbase, dropping the old launcher isn't a matter to us, WINE handles the new one well. However, the same can't be said of DirectX11... Do you have a timeline for the deprecation of DirectX9? Or should we expect it SoonGäó? No current timeline is in place for DirectX9 sunset but we're thinking about it internally.
How about Vulkan? might make porting to linux natively easier in the future ;) |
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
170
|
Posted - 2016.02.26 19:10:13 -
[12] - Quote
if we modify our windows XP / windows vista registry to attempt bypss and try to keep using old launcher on these systems will we get banned for doing this? its stupid change t not allow launch eve from older operating systems to be honest vista is not that old, would be better to let players still run their eve clients on whatever system they get but for any problems they wont get support. removing ability to play eve on windows xp or windows vista is somewhat discriminating and not evryone has good eoungh hardware to hop up into windows 7 or so. |
Airi Cho
Dark-Rising
135
|
Posted - 2016.02.26 19:17:28 -
[13] - Quote
Amak Boma wrote:if we modify our windows XP / windows vista registry to attempt bypss and try to keep using old launcher on these systems will we get banned for doing this? its stupid change t not allow launch eve from older operating systems to be honest vista is not that old, would be better to let players still run their eve clients on whatever system they get but for any problems they wont get support. removing ability to play eve on windows xp or windows vista is somewhat discriminating and not evryone has good eoungh hardware to hop up into windows 7 or so.
here is the important bit: your OS does not get security updates anymore. this is bad for you and for the ecosystem of the internet in general. if you cant hop on windows 7 give linux a try. they have lightweight options for your desktop like lxde or xfce.
just staying on dead operating systems is *not* an option. |
Fergus Runkle
Truth and Reconciliation Council
80
|
Posted - 2016.02.26 19:24:01 -
[14] - Quote
Funnily enough this news does NOT appear in the old launcher.
The launcher that XP users get.
So if they don't read the forums ..... they might not get this message.
You might want to look into that. |
|
CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
315
|
Posted - 2016.02.26 19:50:42 -
[15] - Quote
Eklykti wrote:DX11 support in Wine is still on the early development stage, so if you drop DX9 before Wine will be good enough in supporting DX11, all Linux players will be unable to login. This will be bad.
Despite us not support Linux, this will be considered, I assure you. :)
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | Team Trilambda | @CCP_Vertex
|
|
|
CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
315
|
Posted - 2016.02.26 19:53:46 -
[16] - Quote
Amak Boma wrote:if we modify our windows XP / windows vista registry to attempt bypss and try to keep using old launcher on these systems will we get banned for doing this? its stupid change t not allow launch eve from older operating systems to be honest vista is not that old, would be better to let players still run their eve clients on whatever system they get but for any problems they wont get support. removing ability to play eve on windows xp or windows vista is somewhat discriminating and not evryone has good eoungh hardware to hop up into windows 7 or so.
I will let customer support comment on if that breaks any rules, I will however say that Vista is a bit different than XP. That is to say that when we drop our old launcher, we know it will not work on XP but it may run on Vista. We will not be putting any measures in place to specifically stop Vista from accessing the game. However Vista will be unsupported so any issues encountered will not be acted upon by our development teams.
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | Team Trilambda | @CCP_Vertex
|
|
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
14394
|
Posted - 2016.02.26 20:06:14 -
[17] - Quote
damn, now i need to upgrade my rig
Better the Devil you know.
=]|[=
|
elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
1105
|
Posted - 2016.02.26 20:24:03 -
[18] - Quote
CCP Vertex wrote:Eklykti wrote:DX11 support in Wine is still on the early development stage, so if you drop DX9 before Wine will be good enough in supporting DX11, all Linux players will be unable to login. This will be bad. Despite us not support Linux, this will be considered, I assure you. :)
But you claim to support mac-os. Don't ya know that both have to run on an x server to draw a gui or do you think mac os does draw guis by magic?
Vulkan + Mantle would be the better option in the long run anyways. Vulkan = adult entertainment video.
Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike.
We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
|
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
114
|
Posted - 2016.02.26 20:31:29 -
[19] - Quote
elitatwo wrote:CCP Vertex wrote:Eklykti wrote:DX11 support in Wine is still on the early development stage, so if you drop DX9 before Wine will be good enough in supporting DX11, all Linux players will be unable to login. This will be bad. Despite us not support Linux, this will be considered, I assure you. :) But you claim to support mac-os. Don't ya know that both have to run on an x server to draw a gui or do you think mac os does draw guis by magic? Vulkan + Mantle would be the better option in the long run anyways. Vulkan = adult entertainment video. Does MacOS use X? Or Wayland? I believe that Apple uses its own thing there... But not that I actually care about Apple :P
While it would be most awesome to have the engine run under Vulkan, it is far from trivial to rewrite a engine to use a different graphics API... This will *never* happen with Carbon. Maybe (that's a gigantic maybe) with the thing that will replace Carbon at some point, but I think that to be so unlikely that we might as well not even think about it.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
|
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
188
|
Posted - 2016.02.26 21:05:16 -
[20] - Quote
Thought Carbon was end-of-line as well. My Mac still has X, a legacy leftover from 10.5.4. I don't think it's still included in the later OS/X releases -- the "X" mostly refers to the roman number 10, as in "version 10". It's not an X-windows server (anymore), unfortunately. |
|
Cat Harkness
Twilight Labs Elemental Tide
40
|
Posted - 2016.02.26 22:02:32 -
[21] - Quote
I can understand XP, but why would ANYONE still be using VIsta?????????????????????
Cat Harkness
CEO
Twilight Labs
|
Resinball
Teh Hive Collective Carebear News Network
2
|
Posted - 2016.02.26 23:37:35 -
[22] - Quote
thank ******* god... the chip manufacturers are even on board with this, which is even more reason to force an upgrade for an old dead systems with huge security holes. NO MORE SUB 10!!! HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF YOU CANT USE THE WINDOWS 10 FREE UPGRADE (Even from HACKED Versions this WORKS!!!!) YOU'RE Doing it wrong.
Thank you CCP For ending legacy device support. |
Kamideus
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2016.02.27 00:00:21 -
[23] - Quote
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Am I the only one with Mac troubles? Or does this mean I have to poke you for the next four months with said bugs (crashes, disconnects and 30-50 second freezes) to try to revert to MacOS before XP finally closes shop?
Yes I'm willing to put it in debug mode for your benefit if only I knew how. Anybody willing to look into the matter?
I've experienced the freezes quite a bit since the November 2015 patch. I've had to force quit EVE at least once a day since then... When you force quit an application you are also bypassing the auto crash report tool so this is a problem. It would be nice to see some love given to the mac community once again. Although percentage of Mac players is probably small I would assume, and the general attitude towards such a small percentage of players probably doesn't warrant immediate attention.
I'm not API proficient enough to use Numbers (Apples spreadsheet app) but would be nice, at the very least be able to easily find an exported file from the game. Yes, I have looked up this issue in the forums and the information there is no longer relevant with the OS changes since then. Pretty sad that most of the post are relevant to older OS X versions. Using El Capitan my self. But it goes to show how long it's been since the Mac community has seen the love. |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
1130
|
Posted - 2016.02.27 00:04:44 -
[24] - Quote
Linus Gorp wrote:CCP Tellus wrote:Can we finally upgrade from Visual Studio 2010? Vim, make, csh, gdb, gcc. What more could one need? Valgrind. |
Azami Nevinyrall
New Eden Spooks Ghost Riderz In The Sky
2265
|
Posted - 2016.02.27 00:34:32 -
[25] - Quote
Quote:You will have 4 months until we remove the old EVE Launcher access on June 30th 2016.
Ok, now, look at something cool...like my petition history. Mainly my most recent one with how the new launcher keeps on crashing for no bloody reason...
...did you read my petition history?
For all of those without GM/Dev access to my account.
TL:DR...
I recently made the hop over to the new launcher. With a freshly installed OS, with up to date drivers and everything. This PC is only used for gaming, (mainly EVE) and about 4 websites. I don't even go on the interwebs on this thing. Just Steam and EVE!
So, when I installed the New launcher, it keeps on crashing, it doesn't even generate crash reports. A few weeks of back and forth between CCP tech support, I get a "Yeah, I dunno what to say" final message. The only way I can play EVE is the old launcher.
So, now what am I suppose to do?
Contract me your dead!
|
|
CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
318
|
Posted - 2016.02.27 01:09:43 -
[26] - Quote
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Quote:You will have 4 months until we remove the old EVE Launcher access on June 30th 2016. Ok, now, look at something cool...like my petition history. Mainly my most recent one with how the new launcher keeps on crashing for no bloody reason... ...did you read my petition history? For all of those without GM/Dev access to my account. TL:DR... I recently made the hop over to the new launcher. With a freshly installed OS, with up to date drivers and everything. This PC is only used for gaming, (mainly EVE) and about 4 websites. I don't even go on the interwebs on this thing. Just Steam and EVE! So, when I installed the New launcher, it keeps on crashing, it doesn't even generate crash reports. A few weeks of back and forth between CCP tech support, I get a "Yeah, I dunno what to say" final message. The only way I can play EVE is the old launcher. So, now what am I suppose to do?
I have sent a mail to the team handling the new launcher, I am confident that if they are not already aware of the issue you are having they will be in contact to find out more. :)
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
|
|
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
116
|
Posted - 2016.02.27 08:16:14 -
[27] - Quote
Resinball wrote:IF YOU CANT USE THE WINDOWS 10 FREE UPGRADE (Even from HACKED Versions this WORKS!!!!) YOU'RE Doing it wrong. Not everyone wants to put up with that ****. UI ****, system **** and it's pretty much the biggest privacy nightmare on this planet. I'll stick with 7 (used exclusively for gaming and without all these "critical" telemetry / anti-privacy updates) until EVE stops supporting it. And when that happens I'll either find a decent alternative that I can get along with (Wine isn't one... I won't cripple GodsOS with that **** and won't put up with the security nightmare) or stop playing EVE.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
|
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
1102
|
Posted - 2016.02.27 10:57:50 -
[28] - Quote
Overdue |
Lord Vyper
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
16
|
Posted - 2016.02.27 11:32:22 -
[29] - Quote
Linus Gorp wrote:Resinball wrote:IF YOU CANT USE THE WINDOWS 10 FREE UPGRADE (Even from HACKED Versions this WORKS!!!!) YOU'RE Doing it wrong. Not everyone wants to put up with that ****. UI ****, system **** and it's pretty much the biggest privacy nightmare on this planet. I'll stick with 7 (used exclusively for gaming and without all these "critical" telemetry / anti-privacy updates) until EVE stops supporting it. And when that happens I'll either find a decent alternative that I can get along with (Wine isn't one... I won't cripple GodsOS with that **** and won't put up with the security nightmare) or stop playing EVE.
Haha your privacy is an illustion |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
116
|
Posted - 2016.02.27 11:50:05 -
[30] - Quote
Lord Vyper wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Resinball wrote:IF YOU CANT USE THE WINDOWS 10 FREE UPGRADE (Even from HACKED Versions this WORKS!!!!) YOU'RE Doing it wrong. Not everyone wants to put up with that ****. UI ****, system **** and it's pretty much the biggest privacy nightmare on this planet. I'll stick with 7 (used exclusively for gaming and without all these "critical" telemetry / anti-privacy updates) until EVE stops supporting it. And when that happens I'll either find a decent alternative that I can get along with (Wine isn't one... I won't cripple GodsOS with that **** and won't put up with the security nightmare) or stop playing EVE. Haha your privacy is an illustion What's an illustion?
But anyway. I've forgotten far more about IT security and cryptography than about 99.99% of currently breathing humans will ever know about it. I also do not live in the US and do know how to protect my privacy and keep myself anonymous.
It may be an illusion for you and the majority of others, but not for me. I do not only care, I also have the knowledge to keep it the way I like it.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
|
|
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1060
|
Posted - 2016.02.27 13:07:07 -
[31] - Quote
Cat Harkness wrote:I can understand XP, but why would ANYONE still be using VIsta?????????????????????
Some people still believe rickrolling is a thing and still use AOL and/or dial-up.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
|
Demolishar
United Aggression
1072
|
Posted - 2016.02.27 15:23:03 -
[32] - Quote
How about an OS for PLEX offer. |
|
CCP Snorlax
C C P C C P Alliance
907
|
Posted - 2016.02.27 17:52:51 -
[33] - Quote
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Quote:You will have 4 months until we remove the old EVE Launcher access on June 30th 2016. Ok, now, look at something cool...like my petition history. Mainly my most recent one with how the new launcher keeps on crashing for no bloody reason... ...did you read my petition history? For all of those without GM/Dev access to my account. TL:DR... I recently made the hop over to the new launcher. With a freshly installed OS, with up to date drivers and everything. This PC is only used for gaming, (mainly EVE) and about 4 websites. I don't even go on the interwebs on this thing. Just Steam and EVE! So, when I installed the New launcher, it keeps on crashing, it doesn't even generate crash reports. A few weeks of back and forth between CCP tech support, I get a "Yeah, I dunno what to say" final message. The only way I can play EVE is the old launcher. So, now what am I suppose to do? I'm sorry to hear of your launcher troubles and want to work with you to resolve this. I'll check with support on Monday to see your petition history and will be in touch over EVE mail. Please don't give up on us yet - we have plenty of time before support for the old launcher runs out and I'm confident we can sort this out.
CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax
|
|
Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
206
|
Posted - 2016.02.27 20:11:05 -
[34] - Quote
Great, an ultimatum: let Microsoft spy on you or else we will not let you connect and play EVE.
It kind of suprises me that CCP is willing to lose subscriptions over this.
It's comical that average person imagines Windows 8 or 10 to be more secure than XP. I bet they think their iPhone is more secure than an old AT&T handset, too. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
575
|
Posted - 2016.02.27 20:42:33 -
[35] - Quote
Linus Gorp wrote: Not everyone wants to put up with that ****. UI ****, system **** and it's pretty much the biggest privacy nightmare on this planet. I'll stick with 7 (used exclusively for gaming and without all these "critical" telemetry / anti-privacy updates) until EVE stops supporting it. And when that happens I'll either find a decent alternative that I can get along with... or stop playing EVE.
Amen, Sister.
I hate to say it, but I'd rather gargle battery acid that take the 'free' update to Microsoft's Windows 10 'Service' (It's not an OS, it's a 'Service'. It says so right in the EULA)
For a variety of reasons.
Frankly though the sun-setting of XP is a laugh, as it's still one of the most widespread OS out there, despite M$ best efforts. I grant it's not used for gaming much outside retro games, buit one of the long time draws (and the reason I got interested in EvE back in the beginning was that it could pretty much run on anything.
So, let me ask, Devs, how long before you stop all Windows support entirely and try and force a move to Android? |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
118
|
Posted - 2016.02.27 20:45:53 -
[36] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:So, let me ask, Devs, how long before you stop all Windows support entirely and try and force a move to Android? From one closed-down privacy nightmare ecosystem to the next?
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
|
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
575
|
Posted - 2016.02.27 21:03:55 -
[37] - Quote
Linus Gorp wrote: From one closed-down privacy nightmare ecosystem to the next?
They do seem to want to see how deep the Rabbit Hole goes, and android devices do outnumber windows ones... |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
1132
|
Posted - 2016.02.27 21:46:08 -
[38] - Quote
Oh noes, my OS has telemetry, the sky is falling because reasons. Also Reddit told me it was bad and I believe things I read on the internet. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
575
|
Posted - 2016.02.27 22:42:19 -
[39] - Quote
Primary This Rifter wrote:Oh noes, my OS has telemetry, the sky is falling because reasons. Also Reddit told me it was bad and I believe things I read on the internet.
As many of your fellow goons as have jobs with my employer, I wouldn't think that you'd need 'why telemetry is bad' explained to you by Reddit. |
Sarmatiko
1701
|
Posted - 2016.02.28 02:08:14 -
[40] - Quote
Linus Gorp wrote: What's an illustion?
But anyway. I've forgotten far more about IT security and cryptography than about 99.99% of currently breathing humans will ever know about it. I also do not live in the US and do know how to protect my privacy and keep myself anonymous.
It may be an illusion for you and the majority of others, but not for me. I do not only care, I also have the knowledge to keep it the way I like it.
Windows 7 have bunch of tracking services for quite some time already. Of course you can say "I'm smart and just skipped those updates" but then what stops you from disabling tracking services in W10 in one click (there are plenty of tools)?
If you use Internet, use mail services, own any iOS\Android device - your privacy was violated many times already. Just relax and enjoy living the paranoia-free life |
|
Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
209
|
Posted - 2016.02.28 14:03:22 -
[41] - Quote
Sarmatiko wrote:Linus Gorp wrote: What's an illustion?
But anyway. I've forgotten far more about IT security and cryptography than about 99.99% of currently breathing humans will ever know about it. I also do not live in the US and do know how to protect my privacy and keep myself anonymous.
It may be an illusion for you and the majority of others, but not for me. I do not only care, I also have the knowledge to keep it the way I like it.
Windows 7 have bunch of tracking services for quite some time already. Of course you can say "I'm smart and just skipped those updates" but then what stops you from disabling tracking services in W10 in one click (there are plenty of tools)? If you use Internet, use mail services, own any iOS\Android device - your privacy was violated many times already. Just relax and enjoy living the paranoia-free life
The ones who go to the concentration camps first are the ones they know the most about, but don't worry because the world is at peace and that will last forever. |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
190
|
Posted - 2016.02.28 16:30:35 -
[42] - Quote
The world is not at peace. My MAC OS Client is bugged still (since November) -- reinstalled using the new launcher, will now start posting bug reports to the Mac side of the forums.
I did love my XP you know. |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
1132
|
Posted - 2016.02.29 02:58:53 -
[43] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Oh noes, my OS has telemetry, the sky is falling because reasons. Also Reddit told me it was bad and I believe things I read on the internet. As many of your fellow goons as have jobs with my employer, I wouldn't think that you'd need 'why telemetry is bad' explained to you by Reddit. Whether it's bad or not, every OS uses it.
Your phones do way more of that than any desktop OS. So why is everyone uppity about Windows? |
Atum
Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge
121
|
Posted - 2016.02.29 07:50:51 -
[44] - Quote
Cat Harkness wrote:I can understand XP, but why would ANYONE still be using VIsta????????????????????? Because it isn't the steaming turd-pile that uninformed people claim it to be? Seriously... having this very same discussion on another forum, and the general consensus is that apart from launch problems caused by third-party hardware vendors not being ready with user-mode drivers, Vista has been a perfectly functional OS, particularly after SP2 basically turned it into a Win7 RC.
BTW...
Quote:Speaking about Windows 7 on October 16, 2008, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer confirmed compatibility between Windows Vista and Windows 7, indicating that Windows 7 would be a refined version of Windows Vista. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1326
|
Posted - 2016.03.01 07:09:52 -
[45] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote: Although we are aware this change will affect 3.2% of our player base, we cannot continue to maintain the additional overhead supporting this platform causes.
Does keeping XP compatibility really take that much work? As in is this one guy spending an hour or is it a lot more? This change won't affect me because I'm running Windows 10 on my machines but I was just curious.
|
|
CCP Snorlax
C C P C C P Alliance
908
|
Posted - 2016.03.01 09:40:34 -
[46] - Quote
IIshira wrote:CCP Falcon wrote: Although we are aware this change will affect 3.2% of our player base, we cannot continue to maintain the additional overhead supporting this platform causes.
Does keeping XP compatibility really take that much work? As in is this one guy spending an hour or is it a lot more? This change won't affect me because I'm running Windows 10 on my machines but I was just curious. XP compatibility affects the choice of tools and SDKs, in some cases forcing us to use tools no longer supported by their providers as XP is no longer supported by its provider.
CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax
|
|
Commander Spurty
Moosearmy I N F A M O U S
1611
|
Posted - 2016.03.01 16:38:42 -
[47] - Quote
Sure case of "Tail wagging the dog" with Windows XP.
If you can't replace the OS for 'reasons', you sure as heck should not be playing computer games on it!
(some embedded systems use XP and replacing the OS is not cost-effective for weapon systems on Battleships for example).
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
|
Spurty
Moosearmy I N F A M O U S
1615
|
Posted - 2016.03.01 16:38:42 -
[48] - Quote
Sure case of "Tail wagging the dog" with Windows XP.
If you can't replace the OS for 'reasons', you sure as heck should not be playing computer games on it!
(some embedded systems use XP and replacing the OS is not cost-effective for weapon systems on Battleships for example).
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
|
Anke Eyrou
Hades Sisters
61
|
Posted - 2016.03.01 19:56:45 -
[49] - Quote
So if I cancel my accounts because I dont want to upgrade my OS will I get a refund on them as I will no longer be able to play Eve?
I expect to get this post deleted or locked. So much for freedom of expression.
|
Fergus Runkle
Truth and Reconciliation Council
82
|
Posted - 2016.03.01 22:13:23 -
[50] - Quote
BTW CCP, this news still does not display on the old launcher.
You know the one that XP users see. |
|
Fzhal
Tessaract Industries
41
|
Posted - 2016.03.03 01:43:17 -
[51] - Quote
This disappoints me. Every day I see a new problem posted pertaining to the new launcher. It is far from solid, unlike the old launcher. This is why I won't be upgrading it until forced. I'll let the rest of the server help you debug it first...
It had better "just work" by that time. I have issues with paying customers being forced to be beta testers. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2323
|
Posted - 2016.03.03 08:10:40 -
[52] - Quote
Sarmatiko wrote:Linus Gorp wrote: What's an illustion?
But anyway. I've forgotten far more about IT security and cryptography than about 99.99% of currently breathing humans will ever know about it. I also do not live in the US and do know how to protect my privacy and keep myself anonymous.
It may be an illusion for you and the majority of others, but not for me. I do not only care, I also have the knowledge to keep it the way I like it.
Windows 7 have bunch of tracking services for quite some time already. Of course you can say "I'm smart and just skipped those updates" but then what stops you from disabling tracking services in W10 in one click (there are plenty of tools)? If you use Internet, use mail services, own any iOS\Android device - your privacy was violated many times already. Just relax and enjoy living the paranoia-free life So you used the internet and it made you completely surrender your freedom? what?
Your personal freedom and privacy is your own responsibility. Don't expect everyone to surrender theirs because you don't care and don't grasp why it is important. I bet you never got beyond the catch phrase "but I have nothing to hide" in this discussion.
You use an operating system which classifies as malware out of convenience, this is your choice, you surrendered your privacy at will. Why would you expect anyone else to do the same stupid mistake?
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
|
Dinkler Aurilen
Doom Generation
2
|
Posted - 2016.03.04 16:35:26 -
[53] - Quote
When the new launcher was first released, I cheered! It was wonderful, and I encouraged others to check out the new launcher. Now that it's GA, however, I've run into loads of issues with it. There are many days (more often than otherwise) that I cannot use the new launcher at all. I've logged several tickets, 2 of which were closed with little/no research.
I've now submitted a new support ticket, and I included logs! I've included Evelog, Wireshark, and I even have a Procmon log available should CCP want it - it's just that the support system doesn't allow uploads with that file extension. I'm using Windows 8.1 x64, so that ain't it.
It appears there are issues with SSL - an SSL connect is established, the handshake is completed, and then one side or the other forcibly and prematurely closes the connection. Of the 41 SSL handshakes in the log I supplied, it happened on both client and server ends.
Please fix the new launcher before discontinuing the old one! The new launcher has consistently had issues with my system since shortly after its beta release. Hopefully these logs will help you solve the riddle. I am, of course, available to help however I might!
Thanks! |
Alia Ravenswing
DARK HAT
37
|
Posted - 2016.03.05 23:15:25 -
[54] - Quote
I have been playing for 8 years, and I still play on XP 32 bit using the highest resolution and default level of details with no problem.
All my other systems are Linux due to Microsoft's policies which are a security threat. Windows 7 is an option for me, but I suspect support for that will be dropped by CCP also. I hate Windows 8 and will absolutely not ever use Windows 10. Therefor, I will no longer be playing EVE online once that switch is made.
Thank you CCP for the many years of fun, but this change will mean we have to part ways. |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
191
|
Posted - 2016.03.06 08:53:54 -
[55] - Quote
I too would very much prefer the compromise: if there is a way to keep XP support running, perhaps minus some extended features (similar to directX 11 which is already the case), I'd rather drop those features than drop the OS I know to be good and true.
Bigger ... not always better. |
Ilian Amarin
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
|
Posted - 2016.03.06 09:25:39 -
[56] - Quote
Linus Gorp wrote:elitatwo wrote:CCP Vertex wrote:Eklykti wrote:DX11 support in Wine is still on the early development stage, so if you drop DX9 before Wine will be good enough in supporting DX11, all Linux players will be unable to login. This will be bad. Despite us not support Linux, this will be considered, I assure you. :) But you claim to support mac-os. Don't ya know that both have to run on an x server to draw a gui or do you think mac os does draw guis by magic? Vulkan + Mantle would be the better option in the long run anyways. Vulkan = adult entertainment video. Does MacOS use X? Or Wayland? I believe that Apple uses its own thing there... But not that I actually care about Apple :P While it would be most awesome to have the engine run under Vulkan, it is far from trivial to rewrite a engine to use a different graphics API... This will *never* happen with Carbon. Maybe (that's a gigantic maybe) with the thing that will replace Carbon at some point, but I think that to be so unlikely that we might as well not even think about it.
OSX uses XQuartz, Apples own implementation of the X Server
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XQuartz |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2357
|
Posted - 2016.03.06 09:38:16 -
[57] - Quote
Alia Ravenswing wrote:I have been playing for 8 years, and I still play on XP 32 bit using the highest resolution and default level of details with no problem.
All my other systems are Linux due to Microsoft's policies which are a security threat. Windows 7 is an option for me, but I suspect support for that will be dropped by CCP also. I hate Windows 8 and will absolutely not ever use Windows 10. Therefor, I will no longer be playing EVE online once that switch is made.
Thank you CCP for the many years of fun, but this change will mean we have to part ways. Have you tried to run it with wine on Linux? I too play for 8-9 years, but always on Linux, and there is a quite active community in the Linux subforum which always has a solution if stuff breaks. Thre are also some devs which are enthusiastic about that OS and it looks like they are looking out for us.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
|
Ilian Amarin
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
|
Posted - 2016.03.06 12:00:21 -
[58] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:Alia Ravenswing wrote:I have been playing for 8 years, and I still play on XP 32 bit using the highest resolution and default level of details with no problem.
All my other systems are Linux due to Microsoft's policies which are a security threat. Windows 7 is an option for me, but I suspect support for that will be dropped by CCP also. I hate Windows 8 and will absolutely not ever use Windows 10. Therefor, I will no longer be playing EVE online once that switch is made.
Thank you CCP for the many years of fun, but this change will mean we have to part ways. Have you tried to run it with wine on Linux? I too play for 8-9 years, but always on Linux, and there is a quite active community in the Linux subforum which always has a solution if stuff breaks. Thre are also some devs which are enthusiastic about that OS and it looks like they are looking out for us.
Another option would be, if you just dont want to use Windows as a main OS, but are fine with it running in its tiny box, to run windows in a VM and passthrough a dedicated GPU to it.
Its a bit of a pain to setup, esspecially cause there arent any (working) step by step guides. But if you are willing to tinker its a nice thing to do.
Though you need a CPU supporting VT-d and VT-x. Prefferably also ACS, but not always neccesary.
In addition to that you also either need a I-GPU + D-GPU. Or 2 D-GPUs, but that might make your system supporting ACS a neccesity, but you can always try using an ACS override patch.
This blog and this Tek syndicate post might be helpfull if you are willing to try. Though id advise to only use the tek syndicate post as a reffrence and not a guide.
In addition to that, should you be using Arch, the Arch Wiki post regarding this might be helpfull too.
|
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
6215
|
Posted - 2016.03.06 22:47:11 -
[59] - Quote
So only viable way of playing EVE on machines that had XP installed will be Linux and Wine I suppose.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
|
Jenni Concarnadine
SYNDIC Unlimited
6
|
Posted - 2016.03.07 14:59:54 -
[60] - Quote
Polite question (amd I apologise if this has been asked, :: I just couldn't see it)
Will the withdrawal of the "old" launcher be accompanied by a softeare patch to uninstall the client-side debris, so that we don't inadvertently get locked into an unbreakable loop by accidentally launching it ? [It might also recover a tiny amount of memory-space, and might enable some server-side saving by removing the need to have a default "You have accessed a launcher which no longer exists" message] |
|
Merdoch
Irregularis
0
|
Posted - 2016.03.07 18:02:59 -
[61] - Quote
Will this affect OS X users at all, or does the support EOL apply only to Windows users?
|
Lara Divinity
Black Scorpion Nomads
123
|
Posted - 2016.03.08 04:33:37 -
[62] - Quote
im using win 7 professional n i tried using the new launcher it dont even launch the client window at all so im back to using the old launcher cos that works how will we be able to play eve when the new dont work properly again ur forcing things onto us without thinkin n even if id install the new launcher wich does not work as it should what to do with the updates constantly delete n reinstall eve?
|
Tom Schlong
Perkone
2
|
Posted - 2016.03.08 09:45:29 -
[63] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:Thre are also some devs which are enthusiastic about that OS and it looks like they are looking out for us. I'd love a comment or statement from either the enthusiastics or the opposite faction devs concerning this topic. Do you really look out for us? Or is it rather an unassertive side view and that's all we can hope for?
Nana Skalski wrote:So only viable way of playing EVE on machines that had XP installed will be Linux and Wine I suppose. Will there be any support/hints/help/connections from the devs towards Wine in any way? |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2362
|
Posted - 2016.03.08 11:35:00 -
[64] - Quote
Tom Schlong wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Thre are also some devs which are enthusiastic about that OS and it looks like they are looking out for us. I'd love a comment or statement from either the enthusiastics or the opposite faction devs concerning this topic. Do you really look out for us? Or is it rather an unassertive side view and that's all we can hope for? Checkout the Linux subforums, CCP Snorlax is quite active there and has even fixed wine specific bugs in the past like the issue with the CQ.
Tom Schlong wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:So only viable way of playing EVE on machines that had XP installed will be Linux and Wine I suppose. Will there be any support/hints/help/connections from the devs towards Wine in any way? At least on MacOS they start to support wine now (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=472538&find=unread). It seams that the new launcher has the potential to run EVE with wine. So maybe we will see support for Linux in the future as well, at least they will check for possible problems with wine from now, which is awesome.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
|
Ket Ama'Kel
Almalanda Associates
5
|
Posted - 2016.03.08 14:49:53 -
[65] - Quote
I haven't read the entire thread so someone may have mentioned this already.
For any XP users who read this...Since most outlets wanted $100 or thereabouts I have stuck with XP all these years.
I did some googling and found a copy of Windows 7 for about $40 and decided to go for it. Just upgraded to Windows 7 over the weekend. This entitled me to a free Windows 10 upgrade. The free offer is good until July.
It was a pain as I had to do a clean install, but I had so much junk on my computer it was probably a good idea. For Windows 10 Microsoft got away from the goofy Windows 8 interface and went with a more "stylish" XP scheme with the start menu. The new lok isn't hard to adapt to.
I was pleasantly surprised to find my machine worked more efficiently. Frames per second went up quite a bit. With Win 7 or Win 10 and a newer graphics card (used Radeon 6850) on my old Dell Dimension I can run with the sliders maxxed.
If you don't want to do a clean install, I've heard you can save your stuff by upgrading from XP to Vista and then upgrading to Win 10
Regards, Ket
|
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
194
|
Posted - 2016.03.08 15:36:24 -
[66] - Quote
????
Waitaminute.
I'm not ready to accept this on face value. I've seen Windows 3, 95, 98, Vista, Win 8 ... as well as a plethoria of other Microsoft products dating back to 1983. Are you telling me there's a Windows version that's neither NT nor XP that actually works well?
Could somebody please confirm this intel??
I might be tempted (cause yes, I have seen the Win 10 upgrade offer but went with my gut feeling and ignored it) but I need more than just one random's guy assurance. |
Ilian Amarin
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
|
Posted - 2016.03.08 21:49:05 -
[67] - Quote
Ket Ama'Kel wrote:I haven't read the entire thread so someone may have mentioned this already.
For any XP users who read this...Since most outlets wanted $100 or thereabouts I have stuck with XP all these years.
I did some googling and found a copy of Windows 7 for about $40 and decided to go for it. Just upgraded to Windows 7 over the weekend. This entitled me to a free Windows 10 upgrade. The free offer is good until July.
It was a pain as I had to do a clean install, but I had so much junk on my computer it was probably a good idea. For Windows 10 Microsoft got away from the goofy Windows 8 interface and went with a more "stylish" XP scheme with the start menu. The new lok isn't hard to adapt to.
I was pleasantly surprised to find my machine worked more efficiently. Frames per second went up quite a bit. With Win 7 or Win 10 and a newer graphics card (used Radeon 6850) on my old Dell Dimension I can run with the sliders maxxed.
If you don't want to do a clean install, I've heard you can save your stuff by upgrading from XP to Vista and then upgrading to Win 10
Regards, Ket
Partly OEM keys but for such low prices, who cares.
Its a german site but the shops should all be in english.
http://www.keyforsteam.de/windows-7-professional-key-kaufen-preisvergleich/ |
Kommoddo
Duct-Taped Hampster
3
|
Posted - 2016.03.09 22:02:41 -
[68] - Quote
what about steam it launches with the old launcher? |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
196
|
Posted - 2016.03.09 22:57:02 -
[69] - Quote
There is a way to convert Steam accounts to EvE accounts (through account management).
I did the same, works like a charm.
PS: it has the additional benefit of being able to log in two accounts at once |
Dak Hakin
Frogly Technologies
5
|
Posted - 2016.03.10 09:33:39 -
[70] - Quote
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:????
Waitaminute.
I'm not ready to accept this on face value. I've seen Windows 3, 95, 98, Vista, Win 8 ... as well as a plethoria of other Microsoft products dating back to 1983. Are you telling me there's a Windows version that's neither NT nor XP that actually works well?
Could somebody please confirm this intel??
I might be tempted (cause yes, I have seen the Win 10 upgrade offer but went with my gut feeling and ignored it) but I need more than just one random's guy assurance.
I was happy with windows 8.1, but decided to do the free upgrade to 10. I am happier with that than any other windows OS that I have used, going back to 3.1. Its more stable, and faster. |
|
Hal Morsh
Hmmzor. Muffins of Mayhem
515
|
Posted - 2016.03.15 02:18:52 -
[71] - Quote
Cat Harkness wrote:I can understand XP, but why would ANYONE still be using VIsta?????????????????????
Resinball wrote:thank ******* god... the chip manufacturers are even on board with this, which is even more reason to force an upgrade for an old dead systems with huge security holes. NO MORE SUB 10!!! HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF YOU CANT USE THE WINDOWS 10 FREE UPGRADE (Even from HACKED Versions this WORKS!!!!) YOU'RE Doing it wrong.
Thank you CCP For ending legacy device support.
Acting as if everyone has the financial choice for a "new computer" or even purchasing any version of windows.. I don't particularly enjoy when vista decides to do this to my hard drive.
http://i.imgur.com/MG8RWJt.jpg?1
But for whatever reason Vista does it, and it lags the **** out of everything. We did buy an nvidia 750 gtx card for 100$ a bit ago when the 8800GS we had decided to melt, problem is it has more memory than the pc does. Got another 2 gig ram stick from a scrapped pc to bring it up to 4. It's my dads pc.
Also helps that I smashed my http://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_migrated/pics/HP_Pavilion_dv2_Image_6_04.jpg in a fit of rage 2-+ years ago because of a "job" argument constantly being thrown at it. It's a long story. Was a nice computer too.
At least they didn't say "wont be supported by vista indefinitely".
Q: How many EVE players does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: CHANGE???????? NNOOOOOOOOOOO
|
Mercury Madullier
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
|
Posted - 2016.03.15 23:53:51 -
[72] - Quote
That's is it. I am sick and tired of this nonsense. I am going to take my money (what's left of it) and go elsewhere. I refuse.to to put up with this garbage for another second .
I AM GOING TO UNSTALL WINDOWS XP ASAP. good riddance.
You didn't think I was talking about Eve, did you? |
45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
164
|
Posted - 2016.03.17 01:03:51 -
[73] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:On June 30th 2016 we will discontinue support for the old EVE launcher which will also bring our Windows XP and Vista support to an end. Players still using Windows XP will be unable to launch the EVE client from the new EVE Launcher. Microsoft ended the mainstream support for Windows XP 7 years ago (14 April 2009) and extended support ended 2 years ago (April 8th 2014). While we wanted to maintain support for XP and Vista for as long as possible, it is now causing too great a burden on our development team. Although we are aware this change will affect 3.2% of our player base, we cannot continue to maintain the additional overhead supporting this platform causes. Sunsetting Windows XP support will simplify development and the complexity of our platform testing. This allows us more time to focus on new features, such as providing a smoother and more enjoyable experience on our DirectX 11 client and puts us in a better position to end DirectX 9 support in the near future. You will have 4 months until we remove the old EVE Launcher access on June 30th 2016. If you are unsure what Operating system you have you can check on this site.
So true CCP Falcon.
My Gaming rig I built it about 6 ago and it is still current.
It also runs windows 10 and DX 11 and runs EvE very well for a nearly 6 year old system.
I agree its time for CCP to have the client side running in 64 bit instead of 32 bit.
**You Have to take the good with the bad
and the bad with the good.
Welcome to EvE OnLiNe**
|
Alia Ravenswing
DARK HAT
39
|
Posted - 2016.03.19 19:06:32 -
[74] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote: Have you tried to run it with wine on Linux? I too play for 8-9 years, but always on Linux, and there is a quite active community in the Linux subforum which always has a solution if stuff breaks. Thre are also some devs which are enthusiastic about that OS and it looks like they are looking out for us.
No I haven't, but I am building a new system and it will run Windows 7 and/or Linux flavors so I will try it at that point. |
Alia Ravenswing
DARK HAT
39
|
Posted - 2016.03.19 19:12:06 -
[75] - Quote
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:????
Waitaminute.
I'm not ready to accept this on face value. I've seen Windows 3, 95, 98, Vista, Win 8 ... as well as a plethoria of other Microsoft products dating back to 1983. Are you telling me there's a Windows version that's neither NT nor XP that actually works well?
Could somebody please confirm this intel??
I might be tempted (cause yes, I have seen the Win 10 upgrade offer but went with my gut feeling and ignored it) but I need more than just one random's guy assurance.
Windows 10 is pure spyware. I would never recommend it. |
Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
1277
|
Posted - 2016.03.20 22:34:20 -
[76] - Quote
I'm on Vista it's fine. Link in the OP tells me i'm not eligible for free upgrade to Win 10, it just says get a new computer. Jaguar Landrover still uses Vista, lots of businesses do. Heard too many stories of people losing all their settings getting the new launcher.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
|
Alexandros Balfros
Liberty Rogues Aprilon Dynasty
19
|
Posted - 2016.03.21 23:04:55 -
[77] - Quote
Alia Ravenswing wrote:Brokk Witgenstein wrote:????
Waitaminute.
I'm not ready to accept this on face value. I've seen Windows 3, 95, 98, Vista, Win 8 ... as well as a plethoria of other Microsoft products dating back to 1983. Are you telling me there's a Windows version that's neither NT nor XP that actually works well?
Could somebody please confirm this intel??
I might be tempted (cause yes, I have seen the Win 10 upgrade offer but went with my gut feeling and ignored it) but I need more than just one random's guy assurance. Windows 10 is pure spyware. I would never recommend it.
Well spyware is the future at this point, if you use anything run by google you're already giving away everything so at this point i gave up caring about any illusion of privacy, i don't really have much to hide anyway, at this point there are games coming out which require windows 10 and there will be more and more eventually so you'll either have to upgrade or just get relegated to older games |
Malachir
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
|
Posted - 2016.04.01 12:40:22 -
[78] - Quote
I use Vista, and have no problems with it. If the new launcher doesn't work with it, then we'll see if the shortcut works. If it doesn't, then I'm going have to consider a new computer...which will have to wait.
|
Xartarous
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3
|
Posted - 2016.04.04 18:13:59 -
[79] - Quote
Don't know if anyone has mentioned it, but if being cash-strapped is one of the main reasons so many people are still using windows xp, it is actually possible to use Windows 8/10 free almost indefinitely with a clean install after about half a year.
Just download the Enterprise trial, re-activate until it won't allow you too, and then re-install. I've been doing that since Windows 7, works like a charm, and actually isn't too much of a pain once you learn to keep your data organized off the main system drive. |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
225
|
Posted - 2016.04.04 22:20:11 -
[80] - Quote
The reason I use XP is because all my sh!t works, it's fast, reliable, easy to understand, easy to configure, maintenance-free and I like the non-bloated user interface (especially in legacy mode).
After 15 years it has reached a state of perfection - that's why there are no more updates. It's a finished product.
If my hardware doesn't change, and the programs I run don't change, then there is no need for my OS to change is there? |
|
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1722
|
Posted - 2016.04.05 09:36:07 -
[81] - Quote
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:If my hardware doesn't change, and the programs I run don't change, then there is no need for my OS to change is there? If "your programs don't change" then how CCP should get their money?
And man, please don't tell me you still use horses? Cars exist for last 100 years!
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
|
TotallyNot AForumPod
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
|
Posted - 2016.04.26 11:37:32 -
[82] - Quote
But my alt is running on virtualbox, directx 9. Surely you dont plan to kill dx9 completely? .. That's pretty bad. |
Axhind
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
251
|
Posted - 2016.04.26 13:38:14 -
[83] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:On June 30th 2016 we will discontinue support for the old EVE launcher which will also bring our Windows XP and Vista support to an end. Players still using Windows XP will be unable to launch the EVE client from the new EVE Launcher. Microsoft ended the mainstream support for Windows XP 7 years ago (14 April 2009) and extended support ended 2 years ago (April 8th 2014). While we wanted to maintain support for XP and Vista for as long as possible, it is now causing too great a burden on our development team. Although we are aware this change will affect 3.2% of our player base, we cannot continue to maintain the additional overhead supporting this platform causes. Sunsetting Windows XP support will simplify development and the complexity of our platform testing. This allows us more time to focus on new features, such as providing a smoother and more enjoyable experience on our DirectX 11 client and puts us in a better position to end DirectX 9 support in the near future. You will have 4 months until we remove the old EVE Launcher access on June 30th 2016. If you are unsure what Operating system you have you can check on this site.
Any chance you guys can switch over to vulkan? Would be very nice not to be tied down to windows (especially with recent MS ambitions to become a NSA partner). |
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
5809
|
Posted - 2016.05.05 13:44:07 -
[84] - Quote
Yang Aurilen wrote:Cat Harkness wrote:I can understand XP, but why would ANYONE still be using VIsta????????????????????? Some people still believe rickrolling is a thing and still use AOL and/or dial-up.
Rickrolling IS still a thing.
I'm never gonna give it up. Never gonna let you down.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
|
Primary This Rifter
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
1180
|
Posted - 2016.05.28 10:33:07 -
[85] - Quote
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:The reason I use XP is because all my sh!t works, it's fast, reliable, easy to understand, easy to configure, maintenance-free and I like the non-bloated user interface (especially in legacy mode).
After 15 years it has reached a state of perfection - that's why there are no more updates. It's a finished product.
If my hardware doesn't change, and the programs I run don't change, then there is no need for my OS to change is there? Having been born after 1960, I really don't understand this sentiment at all. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
882
|
Posted - 2016.05.28 10:44:59 -
[86] - Quote
So quick question. How can I know if I'm using the old launcher or the new one? I'm already on win 7 so switching is fine but I do see the news links so I assume I'm on the new one. If I am on the new one then I'm good to go. It works fine for me.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
|
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
323
|
Posted - 2016.05.28 11:45:06 -
[87] - Quote
Primary This Rifter wrote:Brokk Witgenstein wrote:The reason I use XP is because all my sh!t works, it's fast, reliable, easy to understand, easy to configure, maintenance-free and I like the non-bloated user interface (especially in legacy mode).
After 15 years it has reached a state of perfection - that's why there are no more updates. It's a finished product.
If my hardware doesn't change, and the programs I run don't change, then there is no need for my OS to change is there? Having been born after 1960, I really don't understand this sentiment at all.
It can only add insult to the injury of getting shot by me ;-) |
Mykale Kwijybow
Moosearmy I N F A M O U S
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 01:06:16 -
[88] - Quote
Linus Gorp wrote:Resinball wrote:IF YOU CANT USE THE WINDOWS 10 FREE UPGRADE (Even from HACKED Versions this WORKS!!!!) YOU'RE Doing it wrong. Not everyone wants to put up with that ****. UI ****, system **** and it's pretty much the biggest privacy nightmare on this planet. I'll stick with 7 (used exclusively for gaming and without all these "critical" telemetry / anti-privacy updates) until EVE stops supporting it. And when that happens I'll either find a decent alternative that I can get along with (Wine isn't one... I won't cripple GodsOS with that **** and won't put up with the security nightmare) or stop playing EVE.
I couldn't agree more. If CCP discontinues support for Windows 7, I will stop playing EVE. I am already considering going PS4 instead of buying a new PC, as I completely disagree with the Windows 10 ideology.
"Give a man a bullet and he'll want a gun. Give a man a gun and he'll give away bullets"
|
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2550
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 01:54:09 -
[89] - Quote
Mykale Kwijybow wrote: I couldn't agree more. If CCP discontinues support for Windows 7, I will stop playing EVE. I am already considering going PS4 instead of buying a new PC, as I completely disagree with the Windows 10 ideology.
There is now an "unofficial" native linux launcher provided by CCP Snorlax if you are looking for an alternative way to play EVE. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=482663&find=unread
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
|
Atum
Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge
121
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 15:37:37 -
[90] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:Mykale Kwijybow wrote: I couldn't agree more. If CCP discontinues support for Windows 7, I will stop playing EVE. I am already considering going PS4 instead of buying a new PC, as I completely disagree with the Windows 10 ideology.
There is now an "unofficial" native linux launcher provided by CCP Snorlax if you are looking for an alternative way to play EVE. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=482663&find=unread Very cool. I realize changing graphics APIs is a royal PITA, but with Microsoft going in the direction they are, and WINE being a wrapper, perhaps for the next engine overhaul CCP ought to think of moving to Vulkan instead of DirectX. |
|
Leonardo Bonacci
Podlins R Us Initiative Mercenaries
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 19:32:54 -
[91] - Quote
Indeed, ditching DirectX and instead of it using OpenGL or Vulkan would make it much better. |
tearshed
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.02 14:35:06 -
[92] - Quote
Hi CCP can you please respond to this
Kommoddo wrote:what about steam it launches with the old launcher?
Steam is very finnicky when it comes to MMOs that update themselves with their own launcher (EVE, TERA) and asking steam to download files....basically you download steams old files and have to update the game again through the launcher. Huge waste of time and bandwidth. |
Tiranius Avetus
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
11
|
Posted - 2016.06.06 10:35:54 -
[93] - Quote
Anyone here understand how many years it will take to move 13 years of development to a new API?
Also, CCP officially supports 2 systems: Win and Mac. While we already seen Vulkan demos on Win, i have real doubts that Apple will support it, as they now have their own Metal API. |
Tim Helmert
Section31
5
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 11:41:57 -
[94] - Quote
good news! |
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
199
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 12:11:49 -
[95] - Quote
so if we still play on vista or xp and soon game stops running can we modify our system registry to chet this and still play eve on old OS or there is no other way than upgrading system? not all people are rich eoungh to buy new OS or new machine for the OS change just to play eve. this is discriminating |
Cakahr
Status Unknown. Manifesto.
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 12:30:56 -
[96] - Quote
I use the old launcher for both my steam and out of steam accounts....on tranquility. So that 4 month notification has turned into less than 30 days.
I used the beta launcher a few times; but the last time it mangled up my overview settings. (last week)
So where is the forum posts / FAQ on how to use the new launcher with my steam account?
Is there a FAQ on how to setup the new launcher with links so it will go the the correct server and use the specific account?
And is there a way to prevent sharing of settings bleed thru; one account is set for specific type of tasks, overlays from impacting the other?
I have installs for each account, and one for the test server to prevent bleed thru of settings or bugs from causing more fun than necessary.
|
Mr Zeph
Only Fools and Horses Twelve Monkeys.
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 12:59:55 -
[97] - Quote
Ok so I have to use the new launcher.
Last time I looked at installing it it didn't seem as if it was going to port my settings.
I have 6 characters across 2 accounts with one Eve install many symlinks and at least two desktop shortcuts per char. This is so I can have multiple setups for each char depending on what am I doing. (3/2/1 screen(s) all windows in Eve setup for different purposes depending on shortcut used to start eve etc.
So will the new launcher port all these settings now? If not can someone point me to an Eli5 guide on moving to the new launcher retaining all my setups?
Many thanks,
MZ
|
Kabaos
Fulgur lumene
126
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 13:22:22 -
[98] - Quote
Did not pass a couple of days as the ccp warned the players about in the future will refuse from DX9 and Vista. As it turns out, the future begins on 30 June. "All for the players community" |
Kabaos
Fulgur lumene
126
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 13:28:02 -
[99] - Quote
I wonder whether it is possible to influence CCP this venture or "truck" do not care. How much should vote for or against. Or decisions are made without an appeal. |
|
CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3149
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 15:04:15 -
[100] - Quote
Axhind wrote:Any chance you guys can switch over to vulkan? Would be very nice not to be tied down to windows (especially with recent MS ambitions to become a NSA partner). At some time in the maybe-not-so-distant-but-still-a-fair-bit-away future, then DirectX 11, OpenGL and Metal, will start to show their age. APIs such as Vulkan and DirectX 12 will then take over.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
|
|
|
Juggalo Stazz
Go'ram Pirates
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 15:07:56 -
[101] - Quote
Anke Eyrou wrote:So if I cancel my accounts because I dont want to upgrade my OS will I get a refund on them as I will no longer be able to play Eve?
I always get a laugh out of people that pull stuff like this. Always pulling the sympathy/victim card. Maybe if people would read the EULA, there would be less issues with these types of updates.
D. Software Updates
CCP may from time to time update or otherwise modify the Software electronically. You hereby grant CCP permission to: (i) extract hardware system profile data from your computer; (ii) extract information from your computer's file directories pertaining to the Game and your ability to access the System; (iii) download to your computer content and Game files and any data related to the operation of the Game. The foregoing applies to any computer from which you log into the System using your Account.
E. New Releases of the Software
You are not entitled to receive any new releases of the Software, or any expansion packs, updates, upgrades or similar products under the EULA, but CCP may, in its sole discretion, offer any or all of the foregoing to you. CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you. CCP shall not be responsible in any way for your inability to access the System or play EVE, and you shall not be entitled to receive a refund of any prepaid fees or any other form of compensation.
|
|
CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3149
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 15:07:57 -
[102] - Quote
Elenahina wrote:So quick question. How can I know if I'm using the old launcher or the new one? I'm already on win 7 so switching is fine but I do see the news links so I assume I'm on the new one. If I am on the new one then I'm good to go. It works fine for me. Is the login box on the far-left (old) or somewhere in the middle (new/current)?
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
|
|
|
CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3149
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 15:12:07 -
[103] - Quote
Mykale Kwijybow wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Resinball wrote:IF YOU CANT USE THE WINDOWS 10 FREE UPGRADE (Even from HACKED Versions this WORKS!!!!) YOU'RE Doing it wrong. Not everyone wants to put up with that ****. UI ****, system **** and it's pretty much the biggest privacy nightmare on this planet. I'll stick with 7 (used exclusively for gaming and without all these "critical" telemetry / anti-privacy updates) until EVE stops supporting it. And when that happens I'll either find a decent alternative that I can get along with (Wine isn't one... I won't cripple GodsOS with that **** and won't put up with the security nightmare) or stop playing EVE. I couldn't agree more. If CCP discontinues support for Windows 7, I will stop playing EVE. I am already considering going PS4 instead of buying a new PC, as I completely disagree with the Windows 10 ideology. We will at some point in the future stop supporting Windows 7. Perhaps distant future, but we are not supporting it forever.
By comparison then Microsoft's extended support for Windows XP ended in April 8 2014 and we are ending Windows XP support in June 2016. Microsoft's extended support for Windows 7 ends in January 2020 so we *possibly might* end Windows 7 support in March 2022. But I'm not making commitments whatsoever on an exact date (or year).
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
|
|
Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
76
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 15:12:19 -
[104] - Quote
Damn i'm going to have to upgrade my potato, don't I? |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
3080
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 15:12:30 -
[105] - Quote
Linus Gorp wrote:Resinball wrote:IF YOU CANT USE THE WINDOWS 10 FREE UPGRADE (Even from HACKED Versions this WORKS!!!!) YOU'RE Doing it wrong. Not everyone wants to put up with that ****. UI ****, system **** and it's pretty much the biggest privacy nightmare on this planet. I'll stick with 7 (used exclusively for gaming and without all these "critical" telemetry / anti-privacy updates) until EVE stops supporting it. And when that happens I'll either find a decent alternative that I can get along with (Wine isn't one... I won't cripple GodsOS with that **** and won't put up with the security nightmare) or stop playing EVE.
*uses the internet then demands privacy
FETID now recruiting pvp pilots & corporations | lowsec pvp & piracy - Join FETID
Loyalist to Angel Cartel & Serpentis
|
|
CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3149
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 15:16:40 -
[106] - Quote
Kabaos wrote:I wonder whether it is possible to influence CCP this venture or "truck" do not care. How much should vote for or against. Or decisions are made without an appeal. I'm not sure what your question is, but we have a timeline on changes we want to make to our infrastructure and the old launcher will stop working once those changes are made. This is why we posted this notice well in advance of starting that work, which will be ongoing over the summer. In early fall/autumn the work will be complete.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
|
|
Ted LustBear
Chikungunya Fever
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 16:19:57 -
[107] - Quote
Well my ability to play Eve ends on June 30th, guess I'll be winning Eve! Thx CCP |
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
199
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 16:21:05 -
[108] - Quote
windows vista support ended not long ago at all so why you discontinue supporting vista at all ? theres one vista package thats supported to 2017 afaik .
WILL game still run on windows vista at all or it will give just message "sorry you are running outdated and obsolete system please upgrade to higher to play this game" or we will be allowed to keep going? what will be done exacly |
Horiz Rin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
16
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 16:32:49 -
[109] - Quote
CCP Vertex wrote:
I will let customer support comment on if that breaks any rules, I will however say that Vista is a bit different than XP. That is to say that when we drop our old launcher, we know it will not work on XP but it may run on Vista. We will not be putting any measures in place to specifically stop Vista from accessing the game. However Vista will be unsupported so any issues encountered will not be acted upon by our development teams.
|
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 16:54:17 -
[110] - Quote
Can you give us a list of what exactly you do that won't work on windows XP any more or is it just the new launcher you're trying to force on people that will read "winXP" and go "nope" ?
If you decide to talk about dropping support for an old operating system, why don't you go the extra mile and give us an idea of how well the other systems are going to fare?
How long will you be supporting Windows Vista and 7 ? So far I'm not the least bit convinced to upgrade to anything past 7. In fact, I'm more likely to change to Linux if Vulkan runs as smooth as planned.
What are the things you have to do in order to keep compatibility with Vista / 7 / 8 and 10 ? Where do they differ, how much effort is there on your end currently? What is the percentage of people using Windows Vista and 7 playing Eve compared to 8 and 10? Will you provide an additional demographic when a new Windows OS be released to see how much has changed from there?
I remember when you phased out windows 2000 support. The game still worked after you officially discontinued it, but made the point hat support cannot help you to get it working. Back then there was no launcher to annoy us, so now you tie it to the launcher.
There is one workaround for the windows XP users (and anyone who hates launchers with a passion) that maybe might still work even after the 30th of june, so that will be one point of curiosity to satisfy to see if it works. |
|
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
199
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 17:10:25 -
[111] - Quote
what kind of workaround
Drazz Caylen wrote:Can you give us a list of what exactly you do that won't work on windows XP any more or is it just the new launcher you're trying to force on people that will read "winXP" and go "nope" ?
If you decide to talk about dropping support for an old operating system, why don't you go the extra mile and give us an idea of how well the other systems are going to fare?
How long will you be supporting Windows Vista and 7 ? So far I'm not the least bit convinced to upgrade to anything past 7. In fact, I'm more likely to change to Linux if Vulkan runs as smooth as planned.
What are the things you have to do in order to keep compatibility with Vista / 7 / 8 and 10 ? Where do they differ, how much effort is there on your end currently? What is the percentage of people using Windows Vista and 7 playing Eve compared to 8 and 10? Will you provide an additional demographic when a new Windows OS be released to see how much has changed from there?
I remember when you phased out windows 2000 support. The game still worked after you officially discontinued it, but made the point hat support cannot help you to get it working. Back then there was no launcher to annoy us, so now you tie it to the launcher.
There is one workaround for the windows XP users (and anyone who hates launchers with a passion) that maybe might still work even after the 30th of june, so that will be one point of curiosity to satisfy to see if it works.
|
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 18:16:07 -
[112] - Quote
Amak Boma wrote:what kind of workaround I know someone who hasn't seen a launcher in ages and only boots directly from the bin folder. If there is a patch, that person uses the repair function to "patch", which is outside of any launcher. |
Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima Astromechanica Federatis
95
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 19:15:30 -
[113] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:On June 30th 2016 we will discontinue support for the old EVE launcher
As was said in another thread, if the new launcher doesn't allow management of several installs of the game separately by then, it means that I'm gone. You've been doing a lot of bad UI/user experience decisions over the last two years, the last three (ads in station, current behavior of the new launcher and forcing the broken new camera on players) being too stupid to put up with. |
Aya Audeles
C20H25N3O Co.
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 19:39:05 -
[114] - Quote
You guys should focus on Vulcan API instead DX11. Will be much better for all (Linux and Win) users.
Pardon my English.
|
V Solutio
Vinland Solutions
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 19:59:32 -
[115] - Quote
I understand dropping support for XP, it had to happen sooner or later, but forcing this new launcher is ridiculous. The fact that the new launcher isn't stable has been covered, but it needs to be pointed out that its interface is terrible and looks like it was designed by a first year web designer that has never even heard of desktop interface design.
The use of floating panels is disgusting and may be common place on the web, but it has no place on desktop applications. The amount of wasted real estate is jaw dropping and should make any experienced designer ashamed. Regardless of the layout option chosen, the login panel covers up one or more of the other panels or lists of information, which is the kind of rookie mistake I shouldn't expect from an experienced company like CCP, though I sadly do expect such things these days.
And I guess I will mention that I brought up the new launcher while writing this, so I could verify what I am saying, and the thing crashed twice in this short amount of time.
In summary, the new launcher is subpar software and most certainly needs more than a month of work before it is any where near ready to be made mandatory. This is the quality work one might expect from a fly by night mobile app company, but not from a multiyear, desktop oriented company like CCP. |
|
CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
2085
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 21:29:29 -
[116] - Quote
If you are running Windows XP, that Microsoft stopped offering security patches for it on April 8, 2014 means that you're taking on a substantial security risk. The only way to mitigate this risk is to upgrade to a currently-supported version of Windows or migrate to another operating system that is being currently maintained, such as one of a number of available Linux distributions. I strongly recommend that you consider all possible options for doing so.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
|
|
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
3090
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 21:47:56 -
[117] - Quote
V Solutio wrote:I understand dropping support for XP, it had to happen sooner or later, but forcing this new launcher is ridiculous. The fact that the new launcher isn't stable has been covered, but it needs to be pointed out that its interface is terrible and looks like it was designed by a first year web designer that has never even heard of desktop interface design.
The use of floating panels is disgusting and may be common place on the web, but it has no place on desktop applications. The amount of wasted real estate is jaw dropping and should make any experienced designer ashamed. Regardless of the layout option chosen, the login panel covers up one or more of the other panels or lists of information, which is the kind of rookie mistake I shouldn't expect from an experienced company like CCP, though I sadly do expect such things these days.
And I guess I will mention that I brought up the new launcher while writing this, so I could verify what I am saying, and the thing crashed twice in this short amount of time.
In summary, the new launcher is subpar software and most certainly needs more than a month of work before it is any where near ready to be made mandatory. This is the quality work one might expect from a fly by night mobile app company, but not from a multiyear, desktop oriented company like CCP.
what do you expect from a game launcher? all the options are easily visible and the interface is pretty easy to navigate, the floating panel in the centre is pretty much a call to action which immediately targets your eyes so you can log in quickly.
never had an issue with the launcher crashing so its probably a fault in your own system.
FETID now recruiting pvp pilots & corporations | lowsec pvp & piracy - Join FETID
Loyalist to Angel Cartel & Serpentis
|
V Solutio
Vinland Solutions
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 22:49:49 -
[118] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote:what do you expect from a game launcher? all the options are easily visible and the interface is pretty easy to navigate, the floating panel in the centre is pretty much a call to action which immediately targets your eyes so you can log in quickly.
never had an issue with the launcher crashing so its probably a fault in your own system.
Take a look at the clean, organized layout of the old launcher and you will see what I expect.
As for the crashes, if I was the only one experiencing them, then I would agree with you, but reading through this thread, I'm not.
|
|
CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
2086
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 22:59:31 -
[119] - Quote
If you're having trouble with the current launcher, I recommend posting in the EVE Launcher forum.
The relevant developers are active about following up on reported issues.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
|
|
Hal Morsh
Hmmzor. Muffins of Mayhem
530
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 23:42:35 -
[120] - Quote
3.2% of the playerbase uses vista or XP still?? That was me a month or two ago.
Omar Alharazaad > Pretty much any time you blow something up in space it's bound to annoy someone or something.
|
|
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.08 00:11:24 -
[121] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:If you are running Windows XP, that Microsoft stopped offering security patches for it on April 8, 2014 means that you're taking on a substantial security risk. Don't take that as an offense; our personal security should be our business, not yours. There are reasons why Windows XP should no longer be used, and that is not one of them. Your company provides the service to a freetime activity, an entertainment, a game. What we do with our security is not and should not be your concern.
Unless of course you have a valid reason to say that by using your product there are additional security breaches cracking open for windows XP that can be exploited. But then it would have been your premise to close them on the client side already long ago.
I understand that Windows XP has to die in terms of manhour maintenance and so forth and so on, but putting security on the table is not valid.
Lan Wang wrote:what do you expect from a game launcher? Managing maximum allowed download speed Managing different locations for different clients for performance and orderly reasons. Not screwing up everything in the system profile settings when storing client sided information. Storing cache in client locations instead of system folders or rather, letting the player choose where to save that. To iterate on that point; it's useless to have character images for one client cache each. The only things that should be stored on different locations should be UI customizations and gaming preferences. There is no reason to add up image bulk, yet that's what is still being done.
Last but not least: having no launcher at all. The times when Eve was launcher-free have been golden. Sadly they are gone. |
|
CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
2086
|
Posted - 2016.06.08 00:37:12 -
[122] - Quote
On the question of security risks for users of Windows XP, please refer to Microsoft's statement on the end of life for Windows XP for more information.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
|
|
Zedah Zoid
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
32
|
Posted - 2016.06.08 02:54:39 -
[123] - Quote
Amak Boma wrote:windows vista support ended not long ago at all so why you discontinue supporting vista at all ? theres one vista package thats supported to 2017 afaik .
WILL game still run on windows vista at all or it will give just message "sorry you are running outdated and obsolete system please upgrade to higher to play this game" or we will be allowed to keep going? what will be done exacly
As far as I know, all Vista versions are still supported under Extended support until April 11, 2017. Of course that doesn't mean CCP has to follow suit. I hope Vista continues to work for a while because I've got a couple other things to pay for before I buy a new gaming rig. Just re-subbed after a fairly long spell of winning Eve too. I'd hate to win again so soon. This PC might be old, but it's still 64-bit Vista and DX11 capable.
Vista Support Lifecycle |
Duke Garland
Solar Vista. The Anubis Accord
3
|
Posted - 2016.06.08 09:32:33 -
[124] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:On June 30th 2016 we will discontinue support for the old EVE launcher which will also bring our Windows XP and Vista support to an end. [snipped unimportant rest]
As somebody still using the old launcher, though after a migration of my HDD and as such my EvE-installation to win8.1 I get as much as I will also be unable to login through the old launcher anymore. However the last time I tried downloading the new launcher it started to attempt downloading the whole client again alongside (I stopped at that point). Was that changed? How will I be able to migrate from the old launcher to JUST the new launcher without having to download the entirety of the game files again (a pain when you're stuck to backwater DSL)? Always had the hope for CCP to include an update call so that the old launcher would update itself into the new one (at the latest point when the new launcher went out of beta (in last December or so?)) but as things read like you're simply gonna cut the wires and be done with it. Will CCP add an option before 30th June to have just the old launcher update itself into the new one? |
Cpt BusterRoids
i420 Inc
3
|
Posted - 2016.06.08 11:33:16 -
[125] - Quote
Bravo ! Its about time eh ..... with only 3.2% of the player base using these outdated OS's, this really should have been done long long ago at-least 2 years ago. Any-who keep up the good work. |
tearshed
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.08 11:36:03 -
[126] - Quote
CCP, you still haven't answered. What about Steam users? |
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
1
|
Posted - 2016.06.08 13:50:55 -
[127] - Quote
tearshed wrote:CCP, you still haven't answered. What about Steam users? As someone who does not use Steam to start up Eve, how is the process looking in Steam? Can you still launch the game via the exe file in the bin folder or does Steam pitch a fit then? Can you bypass the launcher by using the "verify integrity" option if there is a patch? If you install eve via steam, does it prompt you with the old or the new launcher? Are the game settings like UI changes still stored in system folders or in the steam libraries / cloud? |
Runiba Toll
Alfred E. Newman Fan Club
5
|
Posted - 2016.06.08 13:55:15 -
[128] - Quote
Anke Eyrou wrote:So if I cancel my accounts because I dont want to upgrade my OS will I get a refund on them as I will no longer be able to play Eve?
Personally I doubt ccp will refund a red cent. However, when the game stops running on my hardware I will bail from eve due to lack of support, and I recommend that anyone that is unsupported also bail. Don't pay for what you aren't receiving. It is incumbent upon CCP to provide service to you in exchange for what you pay them. If no service, stop paying. Very simple concept, self correcting system. There is more to life than eve, although few eve players remember this. When the eve servers crash, many people meet their spouses again after being away for months. This lack of support may be a good thing for those affected.
P.S. I am surely NOT going to buy new hardware to play eve of all things. And I refuse to adapt to another user interface when Microsoft PROMISED back in the outset of windows 1.0 I would never need to learn another user interface. I've learned about 5 from Microsoft windows updates since then and I am done. If I am demanded to learn another one I will refuse. I can do without, whether windows 7, eve, internet or whatever, I can see the virtues of being a luddite. The only reason people support upgrading to windows 10 is they haven't upgraded that one too many times yet. You will ALL learn and then come to be disappointed that you didn't listen earlier to the ones that had already reached saturation. Forced upgrades are a grab for isk/money and are not to the consumers benefit, just the provider of said product as an excuse to sell more. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
3099
|
Posted - 2016.06.08 14:09:18 -
[129] - Quote
Runiba Toll wrote:Anke Eyrou wrote:So if I cancel my accounts because I dont want to upgrade my OS will I get a refund on them as I will no longer be able to play Eve? Personally I doubt ccp will refund a red cent. However, when the game stops running on my hardware I will bail from eve due to lack of support, and I recommend that anyone that is unsupported also bail. Don't pay for what you aren't receiving. It is incumbent upon CCP to provide service to you in exchange for what you pay them. If no service, stop paying. Very simple concept, self correcting system. There is more to life than eve, although few eve players remember this. When the eve servers crash, many people meet their spouses again after being away for months. This lack of support may be a good thing for those affected. P.S. I am surely NOT going to buy new hardware to play eve of all things. And I refuse to adapt to another user interface when Microsoft PROMISED back in the outset of windows 1.0 I would never need to learn another user interface. I've learned about 5 from Microsoft windows updates since then and I am done. If I am demanded to learn another one I will refuse. I can do without, whether windows 7, eve, internet or whatever, I can see the virtues of being a luddite. The only reason people support upgrading to windows 10 is they haven't upgraded that one too many times yet. You will ALL learn and then come to be disappointed that you didn't listen earlier to the ones that had already reached saturation. Forced upgrades are a grab for isk/money and are not to the consumers benefit, just the provider of said product as an excuse to sell more.
think about how developers feel when they have to keep living in the past because people don't want to upgrade for "reasons" i mean come on windows xp, really?
FETID now recruiting pvp pilots & corporations | lowsec pvp & piracy - Join FETID
Loyalist to Angel Cartel & Serpentis
|
John E'Texan
EVE University Ivy League
4
|
Posted - 2016.06.08 14:26:53 -
[130] - Quote
I'm one of the 3.2% and have posted a request for suggestions for a new computer build here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=484184
I'm adding the above link in hopes that traffic from this post might lead to useful suggestions there.
Thanks |
|
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
893
|
Posted - 2016.06.08 14:37:12 -
[131] - Quote
I get why people don't want to upgrade their computers. It's a pain in the ass. But by the same token, software developers are under no obligation to continue to support your outdated system.
My opinion has always been, if the computer does what you want it to do, it's fine. If it doesn't, you have two choices:
1) Stop doing whatever it is that it will no longer do, or 2) Upgrade the PC.
Which you do is up to you.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
|
Morgan Agrivar
Peace.Keepers
339
|
Posted - 2016.06.08 14:37:18 -
[132] - Quote
Glad to see it go. I have Windows XP at work and our new information software that we recently got could not run on it so they upgraded all of our computers to Windows 7.
We were so happy, we actually threw a party at work to celebrate the demise of Windows XP.
I do feel sorry for those running on Windows XP, but sheesh, please update your OS.
This would cure me of the fear...
|
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
1
|
Posted - 2016.06.08 16:24:25 -
[133] - Quote
It should be noted that Windows XP bottlenecks hardware. I've seen plenty of computers behave very nice and perform better than before simply by upgrading the operating system. And if enough time passes between, let's say, your Windows 7 activation on your old computer and putting that Win7 on a new machine, nobody cares about that second activation as long as the other computer remains off the web. Or even better, read official microsoft: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-windows_install/de-activate-windows-7-on-one-computer-and-re/1ed415dd-c770-46ad-882c-a105afb52047
I've seen genuine Win7 Professional keys at 80 bucks and less, which is a mere fraction of a new computer. And if you don't even need the winXP emulation that Win7pro offers, or any of the other additions, just pick Win7home for even cheaper. Check out this chart to understand what you need and what not. |
Ozmodan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
11
|
Posted - 2016.06.08 20:36:17 -
[134] - Quote
If you are on the internet, security should be your number 1 worry. Hackers etc, literally love anyone running XP. Most botnets are heavily made up of XP users. Chastising CCP for mentioning that has to make you wonder if you spend your life with blinders on.
If you run Eve on an XP computer it is just a matter of time before someone hacks your Eve account. Secondly XP is highly inefficient, your computer will run faster on 7 on up.
Personally, I really like 10, it is far more secure than any of the other windows operating systems and if you are so turned off by privacy issues there are a number of programs out there that turn off most of those issues.
As to privacy, if you are on the internet you really don't have any because such companies like Google and Facebook as examples are much worse for your privacy than Microsoft is in Windows 10.
As it has been mentioned above many times, Linux is an excellent option if you are so concerned over Microsoft issues.
Get your head out of the sand and upgrade. |
Juana Cavin-Guang
Republic Of Pew Lost Cause Syndicate
6
|
Posted - 2016.06.08 21:15:13 -
[135] - Quote
Quote: On June 30th 2016 we will discontinue support for the old EVE launcher, which will also bring our Windows XP and Vista support to an end.
Okay, fair enough. This is quite understandable.
Quote: Players still using Windows XP will be unable to launch the EVE client from the new EVE Launcher.
Hey now, hold up just a second here!
Just because you will no longer provide support for the OS doesn't mean you should go out of your way to PREVENT anybody using that OS from running Eve.
At the very least, change it such that running Eve is done at the user's own risk, and any issues or degraded performance of Eve that arise from using the unsupported OS will not be addressed by the developer team, and all issues involving crashes/etc. will NOT be refunded, even in instances where if the same issue is present in a currently supported OS that would ordinarily warrant a refund (such as losing a ship due to the issue, etc.).
I can completely understand dropping support, yes, but please let the users attempt it anyway at their own risk, with perhaps a few additional notes and additional limitations to preventing abuse and encourage them to upgrade.
The "we don't support it therefore we prevent unsupported ones from ever using our software" dogma that plagues the mobile market should be left as a mobile market unique problem, and not expand to other types of software.
They may be 3.2% of the user base, but the current path simply cuts them off completely. The software may still work, perhaps with a few issues (and there will be a guide or two out not too long after about getting around those I am sure), but I really dislike the "upgrade to the next gen or cancel your subscription" ultimatum that is left to that userbase. |
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
2
|
Posted - 2016.06.08 22:24:19 -
[136] - Quote
Ozmodan wrote:If you are on the internet, security should be your number 1 worry. Hackers etc, literally love anyone running XP. Correct, so that means if you are really concerned about security you get a second computer that acts as your through-put router where you configure the firewall and antivirus, before you even get to the modem. That way you can run any OS you want on your actual computer and actual OS that you prefer. Which means Windows XP has nothing to do with it. If you are really concerned about security, you never let your computer regardless of OS be directly connected to the modem / router combo. But the moment you have an external solution running, it means nothing for the actual Windows XP or any other OS security itself as long as you set it up correctly. Hell even routers themselves have a reasonable hardwire firewalls to be configured since a while. Also, if you don't go to pornographic sites, don't watch streams of illegal videos and TV series, don't torrent cracked programs illegally and whatnot, use adblock, disable flash player allowing websites to save stuff on your harddrive by default and don't click any link under the sun, there is basically not really something that you should be concerned of, as long as you have rudimentary antivirus and anti-spyware programs installed that are freeware.
Ozmodan wrote:Get your head out of the sand and upgrade. Ever thought about that some people can't afford that and only play eve via plexing ingame with the little effort it takes? And before you comment, consider you're not to judge anyone for their playstyle or what they should do or what they should not do to "make more money" or something like that. I do know someone who is in exact that situation and in the little free time they have, they enjoy a bit of spaceships. Or rather, at least while they can and while it lasts.
All that aside, I'm still curious if it is possible to run eve online on windows XP bypassing the launcher completely and only using the repair tool, as I previously mentioned. Might as well pull out my old windows XP computer. |
Zenst
Aliastra Gallente Federation
77
|
Posted - 2016.06.09 02:43:15 -
[137] - Quote
Malachir wrote:I use Vista, and have no problems with it. If the new launcher doesn't work with it, then we'll see if the shortcut works. If it doesn't, then I'm going have to consider a new computer...which will have to wait.
Indeed same, and been few security issues that effected all versions of windows and not vista, still people love to complain and do not realise windows 7 is just Vista SP2 with some features dumbed down, as all iterations of windows have been and with that, works fine. Indeed only have windows for eve and whilst a new PC would be a solution, I'm somewhat lacklustre in bothering just to maintain a game account I'm just keeping ticking over and with that I guess it is time to call it a day.
Thanks for the fun CCP, bye. |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
330
|
Posted - 2016.06.09 05:22:27 -
[138] - Quote
One thing I would like to know, more out of interest than anything else, is if EvE's usage metrics are different than those of other MMOs.
EvE is more of a "nerdy" game or so I've heard said. And us nerds care for our computers. Those still running XP as I do, most likely do so for reasons beyond Average Enduser Joe's grasp... We don't just pick some random gear off the shelf, we go for specifics.
Of course I understand CCPs position is this -- I too have spent time making software Win 8.1 compatible yet maintaining XP Embedded backwards compatibility (even win95 for a long time until I was seduced by function calls not available in said APIs; sounds familiar eh?).
I'm just curious if there's a comparison between EvE hardware/OS combinations and, say, league of legends or what have you not?
CCP Spreadsheet Wiz? I know you have the data; care to share? |
Denali Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12
|
Posted - 2016.06.09 09:41:25 -
[139] - Quote
I'm still on XP for reasons. This move will knock me out of Eve. I've been trying to identify a way to get to Win7 for months, but hardware driver issues just won't quit.
Also the "obsolete" thing just kills me. I run a bunch of boxes that use SSH, but none of them ever suffered the Heartbleed bug. Why? Heartbleed was introduced with a string of routine patches that I deemed unneccesary. By the time a useful patch came around, Heartbleed was identified and removed. A patch can fix something that's broken, equally well as it can break something that's fine.
Question, then...Until DX9 dies, if I can do a file sync from a Win7 box, will I still be able to start the client directly without the launcher? I learned how to do that when my regional Eve CDN fell down for several months. MONTHS I say. |
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
2
|
Posted - 2016.06.09 11:28:36 -
[140] - Quote
Edit: sorry, forum derped and only quoted your text and not my reply and just refreshed the page.
Denali Audeles wrote:Question, then...Until DX9 dies, if I can do a file sync from a Win7 box, will I still be able to start the client directly without the launcher? I learned how to do that when my regional Eve CDN fell down for several months. MONTHS I say. I might as well try and see what happens if I copypaste the win7 new client to windows XP but I don't think that will do anything. Even though the client is 32bit, the new launcher is incompatible with XP. As long as you have the old installation running, you should have access to the repair.exe in order to manually patch without ever booting the launcher, provided you start the game from the exefile in the bin folder.
However, it remains a mystery still if that works on that fateful day. |
|
Serene Atruin
Cam Corp.
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.09 13:24:50 -
[141] - Quote
So... for those of us on Windows 7 that have to use the old launcher because the new one crashes when I attempt to open it. Is that going to be fixed or can I use Steam if I didn't buy it thru there? I'm at a loss of how I'm going to play considering the only launcher that works for me is the old one.
System Specs:
Windows 7 Professional 64-bit Intel Core i-7 4790K CPU @ 4.00 GHz 16.0 GB Installed RAM NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980
http://i.imgur.com/pjeFcyn.jpg
:-( |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
3114
|
Posted - 2016.06.09 13:40:34 -
[142] - Quote
Serene Atruin wrote:So... for those of us on Windows 7 that have to use the old launcher because the new one crashes when I attempt to open it. Is that going to be fixed or can I use Steam if I didn't buy it thru there? I'm at a loss of how I'm going to play considering the only launcher that works for me is the old one. System Specs: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit Intel Core i-7 4790K CPU @ 4.00 GHz 16.0 GB Installed RAM NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 http://i.imgur.com/pjeFcyn.jpg :-(
why are you not upgrading to 10?
FETID now recruiting pvp pilots & corporations | lowsec pvp & piracy - Join FETID
Loyalist to Angel Cartel & Serpentis
|
|
CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
346
|
Posted - 2016.06.09 13:41:32 -
[143] - Quote
Juana Cavin-Guang wrote:Quote: On June 30th 2016 we will discontinue support for the old EVE launcher, which will also bring our Windows XP and Vista support to an end.
Okay, fair enough. This is quite understandable. Quote: Players still using Windows XP will be unable to launch the EVE client from the new EVE Launcher.
Hey now, hold up just a second here! Just because you will no longer provide support for the OS doesn't mean you should go out of your way to PREVENT anybody using that OS from running Eve. At the very least, change it such that running Eve is done at the user's own risk, and any issues or degraded performance of Eve that arise from using the unsupported OS will not be addressed by the developer team, and all issues involving crashes/etc. will NOT be refunded, even in instances where if the same issue is present in a currently supported OS that would ordinarily warrant a refund (such as losing a ship due to the issue, etc.). I can completely understand dropping support, yes, but please let the users attempt it anyway at their own risk, with perhaps a few additional notes and additional limitations to preventing abuse and encourage them to upgrade. The "we don't support it therefore we prevent unsupported ones from ever using our software" dogma that plagues the mobile market should be left as a mobile market unique problem, and not expand to other types of software. They may be 3.2% of the user base, but the current path simply cuts them off completely. The software may still work, perhaps with a few issues (and there will be a guide or two out not too long after about getting around those I am sure), but I really dislike the "upgrade to the next gen or cancel your subscription" ultimatum that is left to that userbase.
The reason Windows XP does not work with the new launcher wasn't a conscious effort on our part but rather yet another instance of new technology not being supported on an old OS. We choose to align the switch over of the new launcher with a change to the system requirements rather than spend additional development resources on support 2 launchers which would only add to ongoing development complexity.
CCP Vertex | Senior Development Producer | @CCP_Vertex
|
|
|
CCP Snorlax
C C P C C P Alliance
1056
|
Posted - 2016.06.09 13:48:36 -
[144] - Quote
Serene Atruin wrote:So... for those of us on Windows 7 that have to use the old launcher because the new one crashes when I attempt to open it. Is that going to be fixed or can I use Steam if I didn't buy it thru there? I'm at a loss of how I'm going to play considering the only launcher that works for me is the old one. System Specs: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit Intel Core i-7 4790K CPU @ 4.00 GHz 16.0 GB Installed RAM NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 http://i.imgur.com/pjeFcyn.jpg :-( Try setting an environment variable called QT_OPENGL to one of the following values: desktop angle software
See http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000549.htm if you are unsure of how set environment variables.
The launcher section (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=7296) of the forums is usually the best place to get help with launcher issues.
CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax - http://ccpsnorlax.blogspot.is/
|
|
npumapx
FreedomBay.N
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.09 14:19:02 -
[145] - Quote
Hello i live in ukraine, i worked at a pharmaceutical factory. Sorry for bad english but I see all painted with the theme on it. I earn $ 120 in mounth this is a normal salary for the working people in my country I have a computer which gives out 40 fps at medium settings , but to put dx11 need to buy a new system unit that costs $ 500 and that I should do not eat food and not have to pay for an apartment , thanks for the beautiful new explosions rocket, or that there still, and I am not alone , many will have to leave the eve Online thanks again ccp, and goodbye. Welckome 8-9k online. |
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
269
|
Posted - 2016.06.09 14:46:56 -
[146] - Quote
CCP Tellus wrote:Can we finally upgrade from Visual Studio 2010? That was so funny. Hooboy.
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
|
Dinkler Aurilen
Doom Generation
2
|
Posted - 2016.06.09 14:48:24 -
[147] - Quote
Hi - I've been having issues with the new launcher for some time now. I submitted a support ticket (133073), and I've been working through that support ticket with one of your GMs. That ticket, as you'll see, was originally submitted Feb 26th, and the new launcher still doesn't work for me.
I have:
- reinstalled Eve numerous times
- reinstalled my operating system - trying Windows 7, 8, 8.1, and 10 (I'm currently on Win10, not XP or Vista or whatever)
- purchased a new router
- purchased multiple new ethernet cards - both wifi and wired
- purchased a new motherboard
... all for Eve. I have no issues with other programs. I can play other multiplayer games without a problem: League of Legends, World of Warships, etc etc. I can visit other websites with no issue. I have a Mac laptop that can use the new launcher, so it isn't an issue with the network infrastructure. Unfortunately, that Mac doesn't play Eve well.
When I look at the logs, there appears to be an SSL connection error. Looking deeper at packet capture software, it appears the SSL connection is established each time (ie handshake occurs) but then is force closed by either the client or server. It seems to be random each time. The frustrating part is that I can go into the log and successfully download the upgrade file bits using my web browser and that exact URL (including HTTPS://).
The old launcher works, but the new one does not. It also appears the new launcher uses code that was not in the old launcher.
Even though we've been working on this since Feb 26, there's still no resolution. If the end of the old launcher is June 30th, and if there isn't a fix to the new launcher, I will be unable to play Eve beyond June 30th.
Oh, and re: the fellow from Ukraine above me: I have a new, fast machine. i5-6600k, 32gb RAM, Geforce 970GTX, etc. The explosions are nice, but I'm with him - I just want to play the game. |
npumapx
FreedomBay.N
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.09 15:07:11 -
[148] - Quote
Dinkler Aurilen wrote:Hi - I've been having issues with the new launcher for some time now. I submitted a support ticket (133073), and I've been working through that support ticket with one of your GMs. That ticket, as you'll see, was originally submitted Feb 26th, and the new launcher still doesn't work for me. I have:
- reinstalled Eve numerous times
- reinstalled my operating system - trying Windows 7, 8, 8.1, and 10 (I'm currently on Win10, not XP or Vista or whatever)
- purchased a new router
- purchased multiple new ethernet cards - both wifi and wired
- purchased a new motherboard
Oh, and re: the fellow from Ukraine above me: I have a new, fast machine. i5-6600k, 32gb RAM, Geforce 970GTX, etc. The explosions are nice, but I'm with him - I just want to play the game. I also arranged the old explosions, but now I understand that with your dx9 I just can not get into the game
|
|
CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3152
|
Posted - 2016.06.09 15:13:00 -
[149] - Quote
Amak Boma wrote:windows vista support ended not long ago at all so why you discontinue supporting vista at all ? theres one vista package thats supported to 2017 afaik .
WILL game still run on windows vista at all or it will give just message "sorry you are running outdated and obsolete system please upgrade to higher to play this game" or we will be allowed to keep going? what will be done exacly What we are doing exactly is that we are deprecating the old EVE Launcher. The timeline is approx. as follows:
- Feb - Announcement
- Jun - Reminder
- Jul - Download links removed
- Aug - Backend systems changed, old launcher stops working
We are not going to block operating systems that are not supported in the new EVE Launcher. If it works then you can use it.
That being said:
- We know for a fact that the framework we use in the new launcher, Qt, doesn't work on Windows XP in the manner we are using it. We decided that given the age of Windows XP and the low usage by now, it was not worth the effort to support Windows XP anymore. Another reason to stop supporting Windows XP that was a part of the overall decision is detailed in our https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/directx-9-phase-out/ dev blog.
- In the first few builds of the new launcher it didn't work on Windows Vista. It turned out to be just a single function call that we changed so it would work, and in all likelihood the new launcher will continue to work on Windows Vista. But we won't be testing it. The usage of Windows Vista is very little by now and we can't justify the testing effort any longer. If we inadvertently break it on Windows Vista you can file a bug report and we'll look into fixing issues that come up.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
|
|
|
CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3153
|
Posted - 2016.06.09 15:27:15 -
[150] - Quote
Drazz Caylen wrote:Can you give us a list of what exactly you do that won't work on windows XP any more or is it just the new launcher you're trying to force on people that will read "winXP" and go "nope" ? It's more fundamental than that; we're not checking the OS and blocking Windows XP, it's simply that the framework we use in the new launcher, Qt, doesn't work on Windows XP in the manner we are using it so the application (the new launcher) won't run.
Drazz Caylen wrote:How long will you be supporting Windows Vista and 7 ? So far I'm not the least bit convinced to upgrade to anything past 7. In fact, I'm more likely to change to Linux if Vulkan runs as smooth as planned. We are stopping support for Windows Vista at the same time as Windows XP. However, unlike Windows XP and similar to Windows 2000 back in the day then Windows Vista will continue to work for some time.
We *may possibly* support Windows 7 until 2022 but we haven't laid out a timeline for it.
Drazz Caylen wrote:What is the percentage of people using Windows Vista and 7 playing Eve compared to 8 and 10? - Windows 10- 51.6%
- Windows 8.1- 8.3%
- Windows 8- 1.0%
- Windows 7- 37.6%
- Windows Vista- 0.6%
- Windows XP- 0.8%
Drazz Caylen wrote:I remember when you phased out windows 2000 support. The game still worked after you officially discontinued it, but made the point hat support cannot help you to get it working. Back then there was no launcher to annoy us, so now you tie it to the launcher. See Windows 2000 comment above. The decision to phase out Windows XP stemmed from the new EVE Launcher and the DX9 phase-out plan https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/directx-9-phase-out/
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
|
|
|
|
CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3153
|
Posted - 2016.06.09 15:30:43 -
[151] - Quote
Drazz Caylen wrote:Amak Boma wrote:what kind of workaround I know someone who hasn't seen a launcher in ages and only boots directly from the bin folder. If there is a patch, that person uses the repair function to "patch", which is outside of any launcher. If by "repair function" you are referring to the old Repair Tool, then that will stop working as a part of us phasing out the old launcher.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
|
|
|
CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3157
|
Posted - 2016.06.09 15:36:22 -
[152] - Quote
Hal Morsh wrote:3.2% of the playerbase uses vista or XP still?? That was me a month or two ago. Table here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6522954#post6522954
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
|
|
|
CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3157
|
Posted - 2016.06.09 15:39:00 -
[153] - Quote
tearshed wrote:CCP, you still haven't answered. What about Steam users? We will be updating the launcher that Steam uses in July.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
|
|
|
CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3158
|
Posted - 2016.06.09 15:48:39 -
[154] - Quote
Juana Cavin-Guang wrote:Quote: On June 30th 2016 we will discontinue support for the old EVE launcher, which will also bring our Windows XP and Vista support to an end.
Okay, fair enough. This is quite understandable. Quote: Players still using Windows XP will be unable to launch the EVE client from the new EVE Launcher.
Hey now, hold up just a second here! Just because you will no longer provide support for the OS doesn't mean you should go out of your way to PREVENT anybody using that OS from running Eve. At the very least, change it such that running Eve is done at the user's own risk, and any issues or degraded performance of Eve that arise from using the unsupported OS will not be addressed by the developer team, and all issues involving crashes/etc. will NOT be refunded, even in instances where if the same issue is present in a currently supported OS that would ordinarily warrant a refund (such as losing a ship due to the issue, etc.). I can completely understand dropping support, yes, but please let the users attempt it anyway at their own risk, with perhaps a few additional notes and additional limitations to preventing abuse and encourage them to upgrade. The "we don't support it therefore we prevent unsupported ones from ever using our software" dogma that plagues the mobile market should be left as a mobile market unique problem, and not expand to other types of software. This will be the case for Windows Vista; it will no longer be supported but will probably work for a while. We know for a fact this will not be the case for Windows XP, the application doesn't work on Windows XP.
We are not explicitly blocking certain operating systems, we simply know if they work or not. The new EVE Launcher won't work on Windows XP, it will work (at least for some time) on Windows Vista but we are not going to be testing it, and then there is the list of supported operating systems, from Windows 7 onwards.
For more details, please refer to https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6522815#post6522815
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
|
|
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
2
|
Posted - 2016.06.09 17:37:08 -
[155] - Quote
I'd like to thank CCP Explorer for providing that information, it is truly appreciated. I'd like to give an extra thanks for posting the stats. I would almost bet money that before Windows 10 was available, the vast majority had Windows 7. And I wouldn't want to make another bet at how many people want to go back from 10 to 7.
At any rate, would you be so kind and comment on the following tangent in regards to our ukrainian capsuleer please:
npumapx wrote:but to put dx11 need to buy a new system unit that costs $ 500 No, you don't. If you are still on Windows XP and you have a graphics card that is not even compatible with DirectX 10, then a new operating system and a new mediocre GPU that can play eve with no issues will cost you less than half of that. You would need even less if you already have a compatible graphics card. It was stated that any graphics card that ran DX10 would basically run DX11 too, sans a few features. If it is a geforce 8000something, you should be good and only need a new windows.
Back to CCP; Does that mean you're clipping native DX10 as well? Because I only see talk about DX9 and DX11. If we talk about regular compatibility, then the only thing that would change in your system requirements is the operating system, since the Geforce 8 series is DX10 and thus would probably eat the most things that DX11 throws at it. Is there anything you can comment about that? Will the minimum required graphics chip change? Or will everything that ran DX10 also run your needs for DX11 ?
Serene Atruin wrote: I'm at a loss of how I'm going to play considering the only launcher that works for me is the old one. I can only say that a clean installation of eve online posed no problems on my end with the new launcher. I could trace and troubleshoot some issues of others in migrating settings and some shenanigans Eve pulls in system folders and registry edits when you switched from old to new system. If it isn't enough to wipe all of eve from your drives including everything in "user\AppData\Local\CCP\EVE" after you backed up the settings in there elsewhere, you might want to look into remnants in the registry pointing to legacy files. Your logs and screenshots will be unaffected as those are in "user\my documents" When you reinstalled windows, did you make sure to wipe the drive before you attempted to install windows or did you install it in a different partition altogether? because sometimes the OS installer tries to be smart and grab things already existing on the platter.
Lan Wang wrote:why are you not upgrading to 10? Why should we upgrade to 10? Let's put all the security and privacy talk aside for a moment; it's a bloated, convoluted and messy piece of UI. It's basically 8.2, and that doesn't mean it's a net improvement, as for every bonus you get at least one penalty. It might yield net improvements for games, as seen by some benchmarks, but that's with a clean installation. An aged Win10 will probably perform just as bad as 8, if not worse. http://www.tweakguides.com/newsarch_mar16.html#NoWin10
Windows 10 might be usable at a point when there is an equivalent to Service pack 3 was for Windows XP. Before SP3, Windows XP was just as rotten. If I had to make a judgement call, it's either going to be Win 11 or Linux, depending on how Vulkan pans out. |
|
CCP Tellus
C C P C C P Alliance
66
|
Posted - 2016.06.09 17:53:30 -
[156] - Quote
Drazz Caylen wrote:Does that mean you're clipping native DX10 as well? Because I only see talk about DX9 and DX11. If we talk about regular compatibility, then the only thing that would change in your system requirements is the operating system, since the Geforce 8 series is DX10 and thus would probably eat the most things that DX11 throws at it. Is there anything you can comment about that? Will the minimum required graphics chip change? Or will everything that ran DX10 also run your needs for DX11 ? We never implemented DirectX 10 support in EVE. Not all DirectX 10 graphics cards are capable of DirectX 11.
For NVIDIA, you need a Fermi card (GeForce 4xx series and up) or newer to run DirectX 11, while Tesla (GeForce 8xxx, 9xxx, 2xx, and 3xx series) only supports DirectX 10 and older.
|
|
Darth Donut
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.09 23:09:39 -
[157] - Quote
Like others in this thread I am also running Windows 7 and I tried the new launcher. It didn't work. I logged a ticket (127803) which was basically ignored and then closed without resolution.
Like others in this thread I am also experiencing a SSL error.
Please CCP, fix the Windows 7 "Tranquility - SSL handshake failed" bug before June 30th.
|
PCaBoo
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
4
|
Posted - 2016.06.10 01:40:21 -
[158] - Quote
Hello,for EVE i update my os to win10,looks is good , my old launcher and file in drive E:,i installed new launcher in drive C: but new problem is how to Migrate my settings to new launcher? |
|
CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3159
|
Posted - 2016.06.10 08:56:57 -
[159] - Quote
Drazz Caylen wrote:I'd like to thank CCP Explorer for providing that information, it is truly appreciated. I'd like to give an extra thanks for posting the stats. I would almost bet money that before Windows 10 was available, the vast majority had Windows 7. Not sure if I would categorize it as vast, but Windows 7 was clearly in the lead ahead of Windows 8 / 8.1 at the time of the release of Windows 10, and while Windows 7 just continued its steady decline then Windows 8 / 8.1 dropped in usage.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
|
|
|
CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3159
|
Posted - 2016.06.10 09:05:17 -
[160] - Quote
Everyone who has a specific issue using the new Launcher, e.g., SSL errors or migration questions; please post a new topic here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=7296
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
|
|
|
Koenig Yazria
Adversity. Psychotic Tendencies.
18
|
Posted - 2016.06.10 17:30:05 -
[161] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:Drazz Caylen wrote:Amak Boma wrote:what kind of workaround I know someone who hasn't seen a launcher in ages and only boots directly from the bin folder. If there is a patch, that person uses the repair function to "patch", which is outside of any launcher. If by "repair function" you are referring to the old Repair Tool, then that will stop working as a part of us phasing out the old launcher.
Can you like not remove the most and in many cases only reliable way to launch the game ? |
Demolishar
United Aggression
1110
|
Posted - 2016.06.10 18:58:44 -
[162] - Quote
I wonder if some enterprising and community-minded player could compile downloadable patches and host them somewhere [like what we had before the launcher was introduced].
I have no personal interest in this as I made the switch to Linux from XP in February and have no intention of ever using any non-free OS ever again. |
Lari Wolf
Obsidian Cat
2
|
Posted - 2016.06.10 19:04:36 -
[163] - Quote
From Russia with misunderstanding, translated by Google.
Launched through exefile.exe in Win XP client will function? If "yes", how much time will continue to use in WinXP?
CCP Explorer wrote:Drazz Caylen wrote:Amak Boma wrote:what kind of workaround I know someone who hasn't seen a launcher in ages and only boots directly from the bin folder. If there is a patch, that person uses the repair function to "patch", which is outside of any launcher. If by "repair function" you are referring to the old Repair Tool, then that will stop working as a part of us phasing out the old launcher.
Replacing "repair tool" will be created?
DonGÇÖt use the Force, Luke, try to think!
|
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
3124
|
Posted - 2016.06.10 19:25:47 -
[164] - Quote
Lari Wolf wrote:From Russia with misunderstanding, translated by Google. Launched through exefile.exe in Win XP client will function? If "yes", how much time will continue to use in WinXP? CCP Explorer wrote:Drazz Caylen wrote:Amak Boma wrote:what kind of workaround I know someone who hasn't seen a launcher in ages and only boots directly from the bin folder. If there is a patch, that person uses the repair function to "patch", which is outside of any launcher. If by "repair function" you are referring to the old Repair Tool, then that will stop working as a part of us phasing out the old launcher. Replacing "repair tool" will be created?
maybe he means "things will just work"....doubt it though
FETID now recruiting pvp pilots & corporations | lowsec pvp & piracy - Join FETID
Loyalist to Angel Cartel & Serpentis
|
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
352
|
Posted - 2016.06.10 22:59:29 -
[165] - Quote
I skipped a page or two in this thread, so apologies if this was answered...
How can you tell which launcher you're using? Seems dumb, but I re-subbed in late May and copied some of the EvE files from old PC and re-downloaded others. All seems to be working fine, but I don't know if I've got the new or old launcher.
I appreciate any info
KB
Dum Spiro Spero
Not getting SP for not killing a rat is like not getting ore for not mining an asteroid.
|
Paranoid Loyd
9123
|
Posted - 2016.06.10 23:06:49 -
[166] - Quote
KaarBaak wrote:How can you tell which launcher you're using?
Old
New
Fix the Prospect! New Server Hardware!
|
Coriolis Chandrasekhar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.10 23:24:45 -
[167] - Quote
Resinball wrote:thank ******* god... the chip manufacturers are even on board with this, which is even more reason to force an upgrade for an old dead systems with huge security holes. NO MORE SUB 10!!! HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF YOU CANT USE THE WINDOWS 10 FREE UPGRADE (Even from HACKED Versions this WORKS!!!!) YOU'RE Doing it wrong.
Thank you CCP For ending legacy device support.
This |
Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima Astromechanica Federatis
97
|
Posted - 2016.06.11 20:19:26 -
[168] - Quote
Still waiting after CCP Vertex, maybe you can answer for him. Will you allow the launcher to manage several installations of the game separately, as in not launched with the same ID? |
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
2
|
Posted - 2016.06.12 00:42:10 -
[169] - Quote
Lari Wolf wrote:Replacing "repair tool" will be created? No, it will not.
CCP Explorer wrote:.... Repair Tool... will stop working ...
|
Moostang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
|
Posted - 2016.06.12 01:23:12 -
[170] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:and puts us in a better position to end DirectX 9 support in the near future.
Please fix the client crashes that occur with DX11. If i use DX9 the client never crashes. But with DX11 it frequently crashes. |
|
|
CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3159
|
Posted - 2016.06.12 13:02:03 -
[171] - Quote
Lari Wolf wrote:From Russia with misunderstanding, translated by Google.
Launched through exefile.exe in Win XP client will function? If "yes", how much time will continue to use in WinXP? Yes, that will work. We can't guarantee for how long that will work and you would have to be able to patch using some other (not supported) mechanism than the new launcher.
Lari Wolf wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Drazz Caylen wrote:Amak Boma wrote:what kind of workaround I know someone who hasn't seen a launcher in ages and only boots directly from the bin folder. If there is a patch, that person uses the repair function to "patch", which is outside of any launcher. If by "repair function" you are referring to the old Repair Tool, then that will stop working as a part of us phasing out the old launcher. Replacing "repair tool" will be created? No, there won't be a separate tool, the new launcher patches, verifies integrity and repairs.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
|
|
Violent CEO
Violent Femmes
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.12 14:17:28 -
[172] - Quote
So my graphic card only supports up to DX 10.1, does that mean that in the future I wo't be able to play the game? Even tho I have windows 10 installed? |
Kebur Valeren
Han Solo Fridge
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.13 09:14:56 -
[173] - Quote
Lari Wolf wrote:Launched through exefile.exe in Win XP client will function?
CCP Explorer wrote:Yes, that will work.
Could you clarify something please, because the wording of the announcement is a bit odd.
Basically, the launcher currently (and I suspect the new version is no different) serves two purposes: update the client and launch it.
The announcement says that it will be not possible to "launch the client" from the new launcher. That raises two questions:
1) Would it be still possible to launch the client directly, not using the new launcher? Seems that gets a "yes" from a dev.
2) Would it be possible to use the new launcher for updating? That is unclear - if yes, then basically XP users are only losing the ability to launch a client from the launcher, which is not a big deal. If no, then what could be used for updating the client?
|
|
CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3160
|
Posted - 2016.06.13 10:00:53 -
[174] - Quote
Kebur Valeren wrote:Lari Wolf wrote:Launched through exefile.exe in Win XP client will function? CCP Explorer wrote:Yes, that will work. Could you clarify something please, because the wording of the announcement is a bit odd. Basically, the launcher currently (and I suspect the new version is no different) serves two purposes: update the client and launch it. The announcement says that it will be not possible to "launch the client" from the new launcher. That raises two questions: 1) Would it be still possible to launch the client directly, not using the new launcher? Seems that gets a "yes" from a dev. Yes; but we can't guarantee for how long that will work. At some point the game client itself will start to use functionality only available in Windows 7 and newer, or we remove the login functionality from the game client and require logins to happen through the launcher. But for now it will work on Windows XP, but is not supported.
Kebur Valeren wrote: 2) Would it be possible to use the new launcher for updating? That is unclear - if yes, then basically XP users are only losing the ability to launch a client from the launcher, which is not a big deal. If no, then what could be used for updating the client?
It won't be possible to use the new launcher to update on Windows XP, because the new launcher doesn't work on Windows XP. There is not going to be a replacement for update functionality on Windows XP.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
|
|
Kebur Valeren
Han Solo Fridge
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.13 10:52:52 -
[175] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote: It won't be possible to use the new launcher to update on Windows XP, because the new launcher doesn't work on Windows XP. There is not going to be a replacement for update functionality on Windows XP.
So there will be no way to update the client on XP (like old-times style, when patches could have been simply downloaded and run), correct?
If so, maybe it should be reflected in the announcement. Because right now it is worded in a way that it will not be possible just "to launch the client" with the new launcher, but if it will not be possible to update the client either (with or without launcher), that effectively means that XP users will lose the ability to play the game with the first patch after that change. |
|
CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3160
|
Posted - 2016.06.13 11:32:39 -
[176] - Quote
Kebur Valeren wrote:CCP Explorer wrote: It won't be possible to use the new launcher to update on Windows XP, because the new launcher doesn't work on Windows XP. There is not going to be a replacement for update functionality on Windows XP.
So there will be no way to update the client on XP (like old-times style, when patches could have been simply downloaded and run), correct? Correct; we are sunsetting Windows XP and not supporting it anymore.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
|
|
Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima Astromechanica Federatis
97
|
Posted - 2016.06.13 14:30:30 -
[177] - Quote
No. What's correct is that you're removing the possibility to play EVE on XP.
Still waiting for an answer by the way. |
|
CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
2112
|
Posted - 2016.06.13 18:04:35 -
[178] - Quote
Azahar Ortenegro wrote:Still waiting for an answer by the way. No, the new launcher does not support multiple installs of the client executable for a single server. I'd recommend explaining the complete problem (including the specific issue you're trying to solve, which if I understand correctly is stacking of the application icons in the Windows dock) in a thread in the Eve Launcher forum. The launcher developers monitor that area closely.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
|
|
Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima Astromechanica Federatis
97
|
Posted - 2016.06.13 20:18:04 -
[179] - Quote
We'll see if they can change it before the end of the month. |
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
4
|
Posted - 2016.06.13 22:11:01 -
[180] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:Yes, that will work. We can't guarantee for how long that will work and you would have to be able to patch using some other (not supported) mechanism than the new launcher.
But how? If the repair.exe will cease to work, and the old launcher will be deleted and the new launcher not functioning on Windows XP, what other options are there? Does it mean that Windows XP can still play eve until the first hotfix comes in, which might as well be the next day? Does it mean that manually downloading files from a sneaky community effort like www.eve-xp-lives.net will provide the changed files per patch to download and overwrite manually? Or is there another way that is legit?
Don't get me wrong, this is not bashing on you, but you've been just tearing the clouds apart that hung over the windows XP users but didn't quite deliver the ray of sunlight they waited for. If you tease something like that, could you please follow up with the steps and info necessary as to the future status quo of windows XP eve patching? I'm sure a good number of loyal eve fans will give you respect and gratitude if you share the backdoor past the fortification with them. |
|
|
CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3160
|
Posted - 2016.06.13 22:49:41 -
[181] - Quote
Drazz Caylen wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Yes, that will work. We can't guarantee for how long that will work and you would have to be able to patch using some other (not supported) mechanism than the new launcher. But how? If the repair.exe will cease to work, and the old launcher will be deleted and the new launcher not functioning on Windows XP, what other options are there? Does it mean that Windows XP can still play eve until the first hotfix comes in, which might as well be the next day? Does it mean that manually downloading files from a sneaky community effort like www.eve-xp-lives.net will provide the changed files per patch to download and overwrite manually? Or is there another way that is legit? There will be no official supported mechanism to update on Windows XP. The last day of support is 30 June.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
|
|
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
4
|
Posted - 2016.06.14 12:29:19 -
[182] - Quote
Fair enough, as far as official statements go.
You still said there would be ways to update Windows XP, albeit unsupported.
Translated this means you can't give an official response because you're likely bound by the company to not give any further details. It's understandable. All that is left now is for the community to figure out a way for windows XP after the 30th to continue patching. Unfortunate for the playerbase that you can't give a list of CLEARLY UNSUPPORTED possibilities to continue patching. My best bet remains manual file overwrites or something the like. |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
331
|
Posted - 2016.06.14 12:33:09 -
[183] - Quote
Try running a Win7 virtual machine under XP? |
|
CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3160
|
Posted - 2016.06.14 15:14:20 -
[184] - Quote
Drazz Caylen wrote:Fair enough, as far as official statements go.
You still said there would be ways to update Windows XP, albeit unsupported. I never said that. I said "you would have to be able to patch using some other (not supported) mechanism than the new launcher". I never said any such possibilities existed to my knowledge.
Drazz Caylen wrote:Translated this means you can't give an official response because you're likely bound by the company to not give any further details. It's understandable. All that is left now is for the community to figure out a way for windows XP after the 30th to continue patching. Unfortunate for the playerbase that you can't give a list of CLEARLY UNSUPPORTED possibilities to continue patching. My best bet remains manual file overwrites or something the like. This is the official response. We are sunsetting Windows XP support and the reason I can't give you "a list of CLEARLY UNSUPPORTED possibilities to continue patching" is that I don't know of any.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
|
|
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
4
|
Posted - 2016.06.14 18:58:31 -
[185] - Quote
I see. Guess that was a misconception on my end (non native english speaker here) as I originally understood it as "well there are ways, but we don't support them." Thank you for keeping up with the answers.
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Try running a Win7 virtual machine under XP? Good jolly gee yonder, I'd be curious if there is a way to do that. |
Alexa Machavela
Viziam Amarr Empire
29
|
Posted - 2016.06.15 23:35:07 -
[186] - Quote
I've installed the new launcher, copied my profile over, and logged in, as per the video. So far, soo good. Then I clicked on the 'Play' button, and absolutely nothing happened. I can still get on the server with my old launcher, but the new one, pretty as it may be, seems relatively useless.
Has anyone else had this issue? I'd like to know if there's some easy way to fix it (ie, if there's something in the UI that I missed clicking before clicking on 'Play') or if I should put in a bug report.
So long, and thanks for all the isk.
|
PAPULA
Black Aces I N F A M O U S
127
|
Posted - 2016.06.16 16:54:41 -
[187] - Quote
I am only using launcher to update eve. For playing eve i am using bin\exefile.exe because it's the fastest way to run eve.
|
Darth Behelzebhu
Lair of Demons
6
|
Posted - 2016.06.18 08:50:44 -
[188] - Quote
I'm Running Vista 64. Downloaded the new launcher a week ago, works PERFECTLY fine, seeing this thread apparently with far less issues than Win7. Just installed it, copied the profiles; got my overview, settings, all the same and running smooth.
So if the new launcher works with Vista, we can still play EVE on it right?
Hope so, as i just can't justify at the moment to buy a new PC just to play EVE (basically only thing i use it for).
Now directX11 is another issue; as my PC is just not compatible, hope we still have some time before directx9 goes down
|
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
335
|
Posted - 2016.06.18 14:22:54 -
[189] - Quote
By God they have to! I can't keep turning the graphics options lower till they hit rock bottom and then have to upgrade to a driver with more advanced features. To render what exactly? Advanced potato mode? |
Dinkler Aurilen
Lazerhawks
3
|
Posted - 2016.06.18 17:00:27 -
[190] - Quote
Serene Atruin wrote: I'm at a loss of how I'm going to play considering the only launcher that works for me is the old one. I can only say that a clean installation of eve online posed no problems on my end with the new launcher. I could trace and troubleshoot some issues of others in migrating settings and some shenanigans Eve pulls in system folders and registry edits when you switched from old to new system. If it isn't enough to wipe all of eve from your drives including everything in "user\AppData\Local\CCP\EVE" after you backed up the settings in there elsewhere, you might want to look into remnants in the registry pointing to legacy files. Your logs and screenshots will be unaffected as those are in "user\my documents" When you reinstalled windows, did you make sure to wipe the drive before you attempted to install windows or did you install it in a different partition altogether? because sometimes the OS installer tries to be smart and grab things already existing on the platter.
When I reinstalled Windows, I formatted the drive and started completely fresh. When I reinstalled Eve, I downloaded everything new. That includes the long, annoying task of redoing window placements, etc. I still have problems with the new launcher. |
|
Violent CEO
Violent Femmes
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.20 13:48:24 -
[191] - Quote
Violent CEO wrote:So my graphic card only supports up to DX 10.1, does that mean that in the future I wo't be able to play the game? Even tho I have windows 10 installed?
still waiting on answer |
|
CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
2117
|
Posted - 2016.06.21 00:26:47 -
[192] - Quote
Violent CEO wrote:Violent CEO wrote:So my graphic card only supports up to DX 10.1, does that mean that in the future I wo't be able to play the game? Even tho I have windows 10 installed? still waiting on answer When DX9 is eventually deprecated, you will most likely* need a DX11-capable graphics card, regardless of your Windows version. Fortunately, such graphics cards are available for tens of dollars (or your local equivalent) today.
* "Most likely" because at this time we have not worked out specifics of such a move or how our client would behave with particular hardware that doesn't meet our future system requirements.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
|
|
Violent CEO
Violent Femmes
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.21 08:20:52 -
[193] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:Violent CEO wrote:Violent CEO wrote:So my graphic card only supports up to DX 10.1, does that mean that in the future I wo't be able to play the game? Even tho I have windows 10 installed? still waiting on answer When DX9 is eventually deprecated, you will most likely* need a DX11-capable graphics card, regardless of your Windows version. Fortunately, such graphics cards are available for tens of dollars (or your local equivalent) today. * "Most likely" because at this time we have not worked out specifics of such a move or how our client would behave with particular hardware that doesn't meet our future system requirements.
The problem here is I play on a laptop. And I'm sure a lot of others are in my situation. In order to continue playing the game, the investment we would have to do would be substantial. Either buy a new laptop or a PC, which imo is too big of an investment to play one game.
It would be nice that an option was in place for people with lower end pc's to still be able to play the game but not completely overhaul everything. |
|
CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
2117
|
Posted - 2016.06.21 14:09:51 -
[194] - Quote
Violent CEO wrote:The problem here is I play on a laptop. I don't have any information to share about when DX9 would possibly be deprecated, or whether the game would continue to work on such machines after that point for a time. We just don't have answers to these questions yet.
I will point out that one reason we're communicating that this change is upcoming is so that people who may be running on hardware that may not work in the future have ample notice that this may be an issue. Even if replacing your laptop right now is not feasible, hopefully the advance notice can give you some time to consider what options you might have available in the future.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
|
|
Steintz
IronPig Sev3rance
10
|
Posted - 2016.06.21 20:16:12 -
[195] - Quote
Alexa Machavela wrote:I've installed the new launcher, copied my profile over, and logged in, as per the video. So far, soo good. Then I clicked on the 'Play' button, and absolutely nothing happened. I can still get on the server with my old launcher, but the new one, pretty as it may be, seems relatively useless. Has anyone else had this issue? I'd like to know if there's some easy way to fix it (ie, if there's something in the UI that I missed clicking before clicking on 'Play') or if I should put in a bug report. y.
I have the same problem ....
|
Tairon Usaro
ZERO T0LERANCE RAZOR Alliance
40
|
Posted - 2016.06.21 21:35:43 -
[196] - Quote
mybe a stupid question. When you download the new launcher you are asked where to install EVE. I put in my former EVE folder and then a warning pops up. Can I ignore this warning? Or am I really expected use a blank folder and download the full client i.e. 3.something Gig ??
|
Ren Kavik
Vapid Vacuums Inc. Rebel Alliance of New Eden
10
|
Posted - 2016.06.22 17:52:10 -
[197] - Quote
Is ccp looking into improving multi account performance? The only way i can run multiple accounts without a ton of lag is with DX9 and graphics on the lowest settings. Otherwise id have to unsub however many accounts i cant run anymore.
Just throwing it out there but... If direct X11 doesnt improve performance then maybe keep DX9 until that goal has been achieved.
Much appreciated :) |
|
CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
2119
|
Posted - 2016.06.23 00:37:15 -
[198] - Quote
Ren Kavik wrote:Is ccp looking into improving multi account performance? The only way i can run multiple accounts without a ton of lag is with DX9 and graphics on the lowest settings. Otherwise id have to unsub however many accounts i cant run anymore.
Just throwing it out there but... If direct X11 doesnt improve performance then maybe keep DX9 until that goal has been achieved.
Much appreciated :) DX11 should improve frame rate performance by about 5% over DX9, and otherwise there should be no performance hit (other than possibly in scenes where certain effects would be completely disabled due to DX9, and I don't think we do that too much right now.)
As for multiple account performance, can you give specifics about what kind of system you're running on (CPU, RAM, GPU), whether you're in fullscreen, fullscreen windowed, or windowed mode, how large your monitor is, and how you arrange your windows? And how many clients are you running?
In my experience, running multiple minimized clients and using Alt-Tab to switch between them should be pretty hard to distinguish from running a single client until you're running out of memory or disk space. If that's not the case, you should submit a bug report explaining all those details I mentioned, preferably from within client using the F12 menu -> Report Bug button.
Edit: If you're taking screenshots for a bug report, I recommend pressing ctrl-F to bring up the FPS window in each client and include the window in your screenshot, so we can see what your FPS performance looks like as you add clients.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
|
|
Sul Glass
Fat Dragon Mining Co. Darwinism.
61
|
Posted - 2016.06.29 07:17:46 -
[199] - Quote
Is this still going ahead?
I ask because a lot of my corp / alliance are have all sorts of problems with the new launcher.
Can we not push the date back an month or 12 so the bugs can be ironed out before you force us all into overview , non-launch, lost char info Hell.
Please.
I am Dreading having to do this.
Sul |
|
CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
2137
|
Posted - 2016.06.29 15:03:39 -
[200] - Quote
Sul Glass wrote:I ask because a lot of my corp / alliance are have all sorts of problems with the new launcher.
If they're willing to take the time, it would be greatly helpful if they could bug report any issues they experience.
Here's the Eve bug reporting web page.
Here's a document explaining how to find launcher logs.
You can also get to the logs by choosing Show in Explorer > Launcher Logs (or "Show in Finder" on the Mac.)
If they can explain exactly what happened, preferably including screen shots if they help, and include their latest launcher logs, that would be the best way to submit a bug.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
|
|
|
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
201
|
Posted - 2016.06.30 12:15:03 -
[201] - Quote
as vista player, will i be able to still launch game or launcher will say something like this "sorry o your system is obsolete and outdated and game no longer supported for this system" ?
how exacly will look end of support, if launcher gets borked we wont get any help to repair stuff? can you explain from technical side? |
|
CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3161
|
Posted - 2016.06.30 13:47:31 -
[202] - Quote
Amak Boma wrote:as vista player, will i be able to still launch game or launcher will say something like this "sorry o your system is obsolete and outdated and game no longer supported for this system" ?
how exacly will look end of support, if launcher gets borked we wont get any help to repair stuff? can you explain from technical side?
- Windows XP: Until we make changes on the backend system that the old Launcher relies on then you will be able to use and launch the game. When we make those changes, later this summer or early fall, then you won't be able to continue using the old Launcher and the new Launcher doesn't work on Windows XP.
- Windows Vista: You will be able to use the new Launcher on Windows Vista and the launcher and the game client will continue to work until we make changes (none are currently planned) that are incompatible.
To summarise, we are not checking and blocking these older operating systems but we are using functionality that is only available in Windows Vista and later (for now, at some point in the future we will rely on Windows 7 and later).
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
|
|
Xian Kaioku Khardula
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1
|
Posted - 2016.06.30 18:36:58 -
[203] - Quote
Even though the new launcher is out, will the old launcher still update until eventually updates are dropped on the old launcher? All I get is, this launcher is no longer supported. I've backed up my settings of course. :P |
Briar Thrain
Black Hat Frigates
6
|
Posted - 2016.06.30 18:42:54 -
[204] - Quote
There really needs to be some clear information presented that explains to people getting the new launcher how to migrate their settings using the 'profile manager'. The little cog button to the side is not obvious enough to most people who just want to get back into the game after having upgraded. I've talked dozens of people through the process after they were complaining that the new launcher 'wiped their settings'. |
|
CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
2166
|
Posted - 2016.07.01 01:07:54 -
[205] - Quote
Briar Thrain wrote:There really needs to be some clear information presented that explains to people getting the new launcher how to migrate their settings using the 'profile manager'. There's a video tutorial. Spread it far and wide.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
|
|
|
CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3164
|
Posted - 2016.07.01 15:03:20 -
[206] - Quote
Xian Kaioku Khardula wrote:Even though the new launcher is out, will the old launcher still update until eventually updates are dropped on the old launcher? All I get is, this launcher is no longer supported. I've backed up my settings of course. :P Yes, changing and removing backend systems that the old Launcher relies on will only happen as a part of ongoing development if and as those old systems hinder that development. That will happen probably happen in early to mid August.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
|
|
Nakaara Adahsa
Deep Void Enterprises
23
|
Posted - 2016.07.02 11:38:12 -
[207] - Quote
If the process of upgrading the launcher is complicated enough that it requires a video, that means you've already failed in your responsibilities as software developers to CCP's customers.
Sadly, this is the experience of EVE players: we see many areas of excellence in the game and its implementation that are too often marred by bouts of gross incompetence by the developers. This launcher upgrade is one of the latter. |
Marcius Decimus
Hogyoku Goonswarm Federation
24
|
Posted - 2016.08.09 20:34:47 -
[208] - Quote
Quick Question.
When i bring up the old launcher, the message comes up saying it is no longer supported and I can download the new one by clicking on the link. I click on the link and it brings up the community download screen but there is no link to a launcher download. There is just a link to download EVE online for windows. This kinda implies, IMHO, that I am clicking on link to download the whole client which i do not want to do. Do I use that link or is there one i am missing? |
|
CCP Tellus
C C P C C P Alliance
72
|
Posted - 2016.08.10 12:12:47 -
[209] - Quote
Marcius Decimus wrote:Do I use that link or is there one i am missing? Use that link. That is the link to the new launcher. The new launcher should take care of migrating your settings over.
|
|
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1185
|
Posted - 2016.08.10 20:12:15 -
[210] - Quote
CCP Tellus wrote:Marcius Decimus wrote:Do I use that link or is there one i am missing? Use that link. That is the link to the new launcher. The new launcher should take care of migrating your settings over. Confirming that he did that just fine for me.
Remove insurance.
|
|
Lentulus Sulla
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2016.08.12 19:36:52 -
[211] - Quote
CCP Tellus wrote:Marcius Decimus wrote:Do I use that link or is there one i am missing? Use that link. That is the link to the new launcher. The new launcher should take care of migrating your settings over.
Thank you for taking the time for a prompt answer. Much appreciated. |
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
17
|
Posted - 2016.08.20 01:57:17 -
[212] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:Windows XP: Until we make changes on the backend system that the old Launcher relies on then you will be able to use and launch the game. When we make those changes, later this summer or early fall. CCP Falcon wrote:On June 30th 2016 we will discontinue support for the old EVE launcher which will also bring our Windows XP and Vista support to an end. Players still using Windows XP will be unable to update and launch the EVE client from the new EVE Launcher
This is where things get funny;
Yesterday I hooked up my old Windows XP machine because I had to test something (and pulled some files I forgot to pull) and thought to myself "oh why the hell not" and patched Eve online in the meantime ...using the old launcher No, I am not trolling. I do get a nice big announcement smack dab in the middle of the screen that tells me things won't work, but I was still able to successfully patch, launch and play the game without any issues.
How is that possible? And the question remains now, what have you NOT changed? Because it can't be the reason that I'm still able to play and patch eve online on the old computer only because I have a DX11 compatible graphics card in there, if you said you're shutting the launcher down on a software level through changes on the backend system.
Mind you, this is not a complaint at all. It is sheer curiosity of inquisitive nature. Because by all means and by everything you said, this should NOT be possible. But it happened. This beckons the questions what the actual changes were. I don't think it's as simple as having a certain VCredist or a .NET framework installed, but damned if I know, sometimes it's the simplest of things. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
353
|
Posted - 2016.08.20 11:15:17 -
[213] - Quote
Drazz Caylen wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Windows XP: Until we make changes on the backend system that the old Launcher relies on then you will be able to use and launch the game. When we make those changes, later this summer or early fall. CCP Falcon wrote:On June 30th 2016 we will discontinue support for the old EVE launcher which will also bring our Windows XP and Vista support to an end. Players still using Windows XP will be unable to update and launch the EVE client from the new EVE Launcher This is where things get funny; Yesterday I hooked up my old Windows XP machine because I had to test something (and pulled some files I forgot to pull) and thought to myself "oh why the hell not" and patched Eve online in the meantime ...using the old launcherNo, I am not trolling. I do get a nice big announcement smack dab in the middle of the screen that tells me things won't work, but I was still able to successfully patch, launch and play the game without any issues. How is that possible? And the question remains now, what have you NOT changed? Because it can't be the reason that I'm still able to play and patch eve online on the old computer only because I have a DX11 compatible graphics card in there, if you said you're shutting the launcher down on a software level through changes on the backend system. Mind you, this is not a complaint at all. It is sheer curiosity of inquisitive nature. Because by all means and by everything you said, this should NOT be possible. But it happened. This beckons the questions what the actual changes were. I don't think it's as simple as having a certain VCredist or a .NET framework installed, but damned if I know, sometimes it's the simplest of things. They just aren't going to test if any possible changes break the old launcher. It may still work for the time being, but if it stops working, the devs won't care and won't fix it. They're not specifically disabling it.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
|
|
CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3167
|
Posted - 2016.08.21 16:27:40 -
[214] - Quote
Linus Gorp wrote:Drazz Caylen wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Windows XP: Until we make changes on the backend system that the old Launcher relies on then you will be able to use and launch the game. When we make those changes, later this summer or early fall. CCP Falcon wrote:On June 30th 2016 we will discontinue support for the old EVE launcher which will also bring our Windows XP and Vista support to an end. Players still using Windows XP will be unable to update and launch the EVE client from the new EVE Launcher This is where things get funny; Yesterday I hooked up my old Windows XP machine because I had to test something (and pulled some files I forgot to pull) and thought to myself "oh why the hell not" and patched Eve online in the meantime ...using the old launcherNo, I am not trolling. I do get a nice big announcement smack dab in the middle of the screen that tells me things won't work, but I was still able to successfully patch, launch and play the game without any issues. How is that possible? And the question remains now, what have you NOT changed? Because it can't be the reason that I'm still able to play and patch eve online on the old computer only because I have a DX11 compatible graphics card in there, if you said you're shutting the launcher down on a software level through changes on the backend system. Mind you, this is not a complaint at all. It is sheer curiosity of inquisitive nature. Because by all means and by everything you said, this should NOT be possible. But it happened. This beckons the questions what the actual changes were. I don't think it's as simple as having a certain VCredist or a .NET framework installed, but damned if I know, sometimes it's the simplest of things. They just aren't going to test if any possible changes break the old launcher. It may still work for the time being, but if it stops working, the devs won't care and won't fix it. They're not specifically disabling it. This ^.
Work is pending for the fall where support will explicitly break. Those changes will be deployed without further notification.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
|
|
Solecist Project
32295
|
Posted - 2016.08.21 16:38:48 -
[215] - Quote
Asking for a friend ...
Will we finally get new explosions this year? Like, maybe even combined with the new shipwrecks? Then it would at least make sense why we've been waiting so long ....
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
Typos. the curse of mobility.
|
Naseera Arshad
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2016.08.21 17:40:27 -
[216] - Quote
Nakaara Adahsa wrote:If the process of upgrading the launcher is complicated enough that it requires a video, that means you've already failed in your responsibilities as software developers to CCP's customers. Sadly, this is the experience of EVE players: we see many areas of excellence in the game and its implementation that are too often marred by bouts of gross incompetence by the developers. This launcher upgrade is one of the latter.
It doesn't require a video at all. |
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
17
|
Posted - 2016.08.23 16:03:59 -
[217] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:Work is pending for the fall where support will explicitly break. Those changes will be deployed without further notification. CCP Falcon said the game will be unplayable for XP and Vista post 30th of June, or didn't he? Wasn't that an inaccurate statement then? I mean I would have known 2 people who would have been able to spend more than a month in the game if they'd knew that.
If I can make a careful suggestion, then please mention as a permanent "last message" that windows XP and Vista playability has died once you make that change to the backend system. Because on the old launcher, you still see the most up-to-date news. I don't think another news entry written in 2 minutes is going to hurt your time tremendously. Because it still could happen that you have to postpone something in your schedule, and it will still work longer as expected, who knows? |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
657
|
Posted - 2016.08.23 16:30:29 -
[218] - Quote
ssshhh! Don't provoke them! Let us have our XP while it lasts, as the Mac client still performs a tad sluggish and overheats my rig. After a few hours, or when (trying to) dualbox, my machine flips a gasket. Can dualbox no prob under 32bit XP ...
I'm still in denial.
It still runs - for now.
XP FOREVERRRR! |
|
CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3168
|
Posted - 2016.08.23 16:39:36 -
[219] - Quote
Drazz Caylen wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Work is pending for the fall where support will explicitly break. Those changes will be deployed without further notification. CCP Falcon said the game will be unplayable for XP and Vista post 30th of June, or didn't he? Wasn't that an inaccurate statement then? I mean I would have known 2 people who would have been able to spend more than a month in the game if they'd knew that. He was in no position to promise any support beyond 30th of June, the work that would explicitly break support was committed to but the date was not set exactly. From his viewpoint this was the most prudent messaging.
Drazz Caylen wrote:If I can make a careful suggestion, then please mention as a permanent "last message" that windows XP and Vista playability has died once you make that change to the backend system. Because on the old launcher, you still see the most up-to-date news. I don't think another news entry written in 2 minutes is going to hurt your time tremendously. Because it still could happen that you have to postpone something in your schedule, and it will still work longer as expected, who knows? We have already communicated end of Windows XP support and the Old Launcher will stop to function at some point in the near future without further communication. Windows Vista will continue to work with the New Launcher for some time, possibly even years but we are not testing on Windows Vista anymore so I won't be able to tell you right before it breaks.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
|
|
Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
86
|
Posted - 2016.08.23 17:10:35 -
[220] - Quote
CCP Tellus wrote:Can we finally upgrade from Visual Studio 2010?
Lol, really? Sounds like my workplace |
|
Makdo
Ghost Net Industrialists Sock Puppet Federation
6
|
Posted - 2016.08.25 02:48:24 -
[221] - Quote
Disregard any attempt to make sense of this... |
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
18
|
Posted - 2016.08.27 11:54:44 -
[222] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:*snip* Ah well, you know what they say, it was worth trying :)
But seriously though, thank you for keeping Windows XP as long as you did /) It was much appreciated. |
|
CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3185
|
Posted - 2016.11.03 13:57:52 -
[223] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:Work is pending for the fall where support will explicitly break. Those changes will be deployed without further notification. As some may have noticed those changes were deployed on 2 Nov. The old launcher now doesn't display a login box anymore and various other features in it have been disabled. A couple of things will continue to work until Jan when we sunset the old launcher's backend.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
|
|
Malcorath Sacerdos
Rogue Meddlers
38
|
Posted - 2016.11.03 16:31:12 -
[224] - Quote
Resinball wrote:thank ******* god... the chip manufacturers are even on board with this, which is even more reason to force an upgrade for an old dead systems with huge security holes. NO MORE SUB 10!!! HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF YOU CANT USE THE WINDOWS 10 FREE UPGRADE (Even from HACKED Versions this WORKS!!!!) YOU'RE Doing it wrong.
Thank you CCP For ending legacy device support.
is win 10 bugfree and ready to use then ?
|
helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
615
|
Posted - 2016.11.03 22:00:59 -
[225] - Quote
@CCP Explorer
I guess this is a bit of a complaint.
Before citadels I could run two clients with max settings and adaptive anti aliasing (setting on my amd card). I had great graphics and no jaggies. (aliasing) Eve looked great and I was happily running at 50-60fps on both clients.
Post citadels... Now I need to turn off post processing and switch off adaptive anti aliasing on my card (downgrade to standard multipsampling AA) to get a framerate above 30 fps. Which means eve is now full of jaggies (aliasing) Is fairly unsatisfactory.
I have AMD r9270x 2gb card, 8gb of ram and runnig at 2.6 ghz.
What on earth did you guys do to up the system requirements so much !
"...ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new.... thats where eve is placed... not in cave." | zoonr-Korsairs |
Meanwhile Citadel release issues: "tried to bug report this and the bug report is bugged as well" | Rafeau |
|
Vigirr
19
|
Posted - 2016.11.04 08:37:52 -
[226] - Quote
Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:Resinball wrote:thank ******* god... the chip manufacturers are even on board with this, which is even more reason to force an upgrade for an old dead systems with huge security holes. NO MORE SUB 10!!! HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF YOU CANT USE THE WINDOWS 10 FREE UPGRADE (Even from HACKED Versions this WORKS!!!!) YOU'RE Doing it wrong.
Thank you CCP For ending legacy device support. is win 10 bugfree and ready to use then ?
I waited till the last day to do the free upgrade to avoid being a beta tester as much as possible. Tried it for a month and found it to be slower than 7 with more issues and little quirks, decided to reinstall win7 again. |
Elektra Vngeance
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2016.11.04 20:11:51 -
[227] - Quote
helana Tsero wrote:@CCP Explorer
I guess this is a bit of a complaint.
Before citadels I could run two clients with max settings and adaptive anti aliasing (setting on my amd card). I had great graphics and no jaggies. (aliasing) Eve looked great and I was happily running at 50-60fps on both clients.
Post citadels... Now I need to turn off post processing and switch off adaptive anti aliasing on my card (downgrade to standard multipsampling AA) to get a framerate above 30 fps. Which means eve is now full of jaggies (aliasing) Is fairly unsatisfactory.
I have AMD r9270x 2gb card, 8gb of ram and runnig at 2.6 ghz.
What on earth did you guys do to up the system requirements so much !
No wonder my PC gets shutdown by himself when i want to warp ... Geez .. I thought it's a software problem at some point .... .. By the way , i haven't read the forums lately so excuse my late discovery of the news ...
|
Altair Taurus
47
|
Posted - 2016.11.04 21:33:12 -
[228] - Quote
I report no issues with new EVE launcher on my new rig:
CPU Intel i5-6600K @ 4.6 GHz OC RAM Kingston 8 GB DDR4 @ 2400 MHz graphic card GIGABYTE GTX1070 G1 GAMING OC Windows 10 64-bit 25-inch LCD IPS monitor
All EVE graphic setting maxed-out - resolution 1440p @ 60Hz. Game looks beautiful! :) |
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 :: [one page] |