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Amarr Perfection
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:14:00 -
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you know how fair is it for ccp to ban somone that knows somone that broke the rules? anyone feel that is unfair that u can get banned just because u knew someone doing somthing wrong so automatically you are envolved with them? or in leage with them?? some very very good friends of mine got perma banned for knwoing someone that got caught selling isk on ebay, benoust our knowlege they were just rl friends, how is it my friends fault that they were breaking hte rules, now Here im breaking the eula agreement, and i really dont care because personaly i feel like CCP has done nothing but theif the money that my friends had put into the game playing it which is making our ccp friends FAT HAPPY AND RICH? so they can treat people like fish in a barrel and point and shoot because they got a stick up their bum? ooo wait **** that, im gonna cuss 2 because thats another thing might aswell break the rules becuase you epople need to know, so i hope that you people that are reading this before it gets deleted and i get banned and cannot play eve anymore for standing up for my friends that did nothing wrong you all should know what u are throwing ur money away to CCP. GM Nova banned my friends when not 2 weeks earlier he unbanned somone that had been caught iwth unequivical evidence that they were selling game time code cards, and he is back playing the game, hell my friend Nonterra, and this brothers char's alts and everything else Didnt do anything wrong they onyl knew somone that did and on top of htat they unbanned him for a day with -28bill isk LOL then Banned him saying WE are sorry we made a mistake, what kinda crap is that? anyone here think that is right? we tried explaining things to them, they dont care, and on top of that they have no evidence or anything else to ban my friends they just banned becasue he had helped them out becuae he was a rl friend, and on top of that, he was helping wth a captialship venture which takes BILLIONS of isk and teamwork, and just becuase there was no corpsonance in game doesnt mean that people dont talk all the time hell i talk with people i play with everyday and they have NEVER gotten a Evemail or private convo from me, anyone else? seriously? anyways, Here comes the Bannage i suppose. at one point i thought it was wroth it to pay to play this game, i was wrong, people that take away somones friendships, and hobbies over somthing trival for 1, and secondly for somthing they didnt do? lol hell with that im not investing another penny. i hope the people that get to read this Understand that :)
Sarge out
ps Gm Nova should really have his job performace checked because we all know he plays the game, and just becuase u have contacts inside CCP doesnt mean u can use it to cause dessention or the upper or lowerhand in the world of eve or try to play god because it makes you feel better.
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ToxicFire
Phoenix Knights
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:16:00 -
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PARAGRAPHS
Oh and yes CCP can ban who they like when they like its there game even your accounts are their property. Read the EULA that you agreed to when you signed up.... that is basically a contract you know.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:18:00 -
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I rarely post this, but.... tl;dr, use paragraphs.
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Stitcher
Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:20:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 06/02/2007 02:16:55 not to be mean, but what I saw was:
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Is it right For CCP to Ban who they chose? With no Evidence?
ENORMOUS BLOCK OF TEXT OMG!!!!!!
Sarge out.
Smaller block of text
I didn't actually read it, though from one or two of the standout words in there ("FAT HAPPY AND RICH?", "CCP. GM Nova", "BILLIONS", "NEVER" and the repeated use of the words "ban" or "banned") I suspect there is tinfoilhattery afoot.
So... can I have your stuff when you quit? ***
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Amarr Perfection
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:23:00 -
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You can only get banned for breaking hte Eula and They are really ooo how does a lawyer say it, in breach of agreement which makes the contract nule and void... hmmm wonder what that means.... lets see AND what abouthe consideration tehy already recivied, and by accepting payment that should emply service, and wihtout that service its theif of service and even in london thats a jailable offense. just bad all around
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:25:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Perfection You can only get banned for breaking the Eula
Originally by: EULA
We reserve the right to ban any user from the game without refund or compensation.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:26:00 -
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Actually no, you can be banned for being someone CCP dont like actually. For not using punctuation and for being illiterate as well. Or for not brushing your teeth often enough.
Of course, that makes no sense, so we'll just have to assume they *do* base bans off of the EULA or of security concerns.
You do know there's an appeal process btw ? You can ask for some other senior gm to look at the ban and procedure. Of course, going nuts on the forums doesn't improve your chances of that being succesfull much.
Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
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Amarr Perfection
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:26:00 -
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lol great get out of jail free card LMFAO!
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Stitcher
Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Perfection You can only get banned for breaking hte Eula and They are really ooo how does a lawyer say it, in breach of agreement which makes the contract nule and void... hmmm wonder what that means.... lets see AND what abouthe consideration tehy already recivied, and by accepting payment that should emply service, and wihtout that service its theif of service and even in london thats a jailable offense. just bad all around
Look, I really don't want to be cruel here, but you'd get your point across a lot better if you took more than five seconds to write your post, bothered to spell check it first, and used something even remotely resembling punctuation and paragraphs.
At the moment, what we're seeing appears to be the insane ramblings of a paranoid monkey that's desperately trying to convey the thoughts buzzing around it's simian little brain by poking at the keyboard with the wrong end of a hammer.
Slow down, take some time in composing your posts, and present your case clearly. Please. ***
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Amarr Perfection
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:28:00 -
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They wont Let htem do anything, and CCP cannot prove anything its purly on assumption and when somone has investd years into a game LOL thats a bit of cash :) and in real life that has monitary value, even though its a vertual item.
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TimR
Gallente GalacTECH Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Perfection
ps Gm Nova should really have his job performace checked because we all know he plays the game..
GM caught playing game. Chaos ensues.
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Stitcher
Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: TimR
Originally by: Amarr Perfection
ps Gm Nova should really have his job performace checked because we all know he plays the game..
GM caught playing game. Chaos ensues.
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Amarr Perfection
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:30:00 -
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and i could give a flying rats butox about my grammer or spell check if iwanted it to look professional i would get my lawyer to do it, right now i dont care and i can get my point across faster then most by being simple, i dont have tobe all hooopdy and ladi da perfect so its not cruel, looking smart doesnt make u smart, and looking dumb doesnt make u dumb.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:31:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 06/02/2007 02:27:43
Originally by: TimR
Originally by: Amarr Perfection
ps Gm Nova should really have his job performace checked because we all know he plays the game..
GM caught playing game. Chaos ensues.
Well, we obviously cant have that can we ?
Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Perfection looking dumb doesnt make u dumb.
Actually, recent studies revealed that it in fact does make you dumb.
Quelle une surprise !
Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
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Stitcher
Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:34:00 -
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Oh, I see! we're being troll'd!
How novel! ***
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Amarr Perfection
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:35:00 -
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well thank you for the compliment, i appreciate it when people smash somone becuase they cant spell lol but thats getting off the point, ccp banned good guys because they knew somone that helped them out, and accused them of buying isk with no proof or evidence and i know they didnt do it hell i know them personally, and ccp just banned them for knowing them permabanned and rudly at that. the investigation was well short to say the least.
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Perfection you know how fair is it for ccp to ban somone that knows somone that broke the rules?
anyone feel that is unfair that u can get banned just because u knew someone doing somthing wrong so automatically you are envolved with them? or in leage with them??
some very very good friends of mine got (were) perma banned for knwoing someone that got caught selling isk on ebay, benoust (WTH does that mean??? ) our knowlege they were just rl friends, how is it my friends fault that they were breaking hte rules. Now, here im breaking the eula agreement, and i really dont care because personaly i feel like CCP has done nothing but thieve the money that my friends had put into the game playing it, which is making our ccp friends FAT, HAPPY AND RICH? so they can treat people like fish in a barrel and point and shoot because they got a stick up their bum?
ooo wait **** that, im gonna cuss 2 because thats another thing might aswell break the rules becuase you epople need to know, so i hope that you people that are reading this before it gets deleted and i get banned and cannot play eve anymore for standing up for my friends that did nothing wrong, you all should know what (that?) u are throwing ur money away to CCP.
GM **** (naming GM's is bad, mmmkaaay?!) banned my friends when not 2 weeks earlier he unbanned somone that had been caught iwth unequivical (unequivocal?) evidence that they were selling game time code cards (this is allowed at the moment, however it may change), this gentleman is back playing the game, hell my friend Nonterra and this brothers char's alts and everything else didnt do anything wrong they onyl knew somone that did and on top of htat they unbanned him for a day with -28bill isk LOL then Banned him saying WE are sorry we made a mistake, what kinda crap is that?
Does anyone here think that is right? we tried explaining things to them, they dont care, and on top of that they have no evidence or anything else to ban my friends they just banned becasue he had helped them out becuae he was a rl friend, and on top of that, he was helping wth a captialship venture which takes BILLIONS of isk and teamwork, and just becuase there was no corpsonance (?) in game doesnt mean that people dont talk all the time hell i talk with people i play with everyday and they have NEVER gotten a Evemail or private convo from me, anyone else? seriously? anyways,
Here comes the Bannage i suppose. at one point i thought it was wroth it to pay to play this game, i was wrong, people that take away somones friendships, and hobbies over somthing trival for 1, and secondly for somthing they didnt do? lol hell with that im not investing another penny. i hope the people that get to read this Understand that :)
Sarge out
ps GM **** (I said it was bad to name the GM's) should really have his job performace checked because we all know he plays the game, and just becuase u have contacts inside CCP doesnt mean u can use it to cause dessention or the upper or lowerhand in the world of eve or try to play god because it makes you feel better.
Attempted to make the post more legible, if you can understand what this young and (unfortunetly) not too experienced person is babbling on about, I would appreciate a translation of some kind. Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing
Funny, i'm still here - Petwraith
There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:39:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 06/02/2007 02:35:54 hey, you havent been smashed at all. Or maybe a little :p
Anyway, what is the point here ? You expect us all to get our favourite firearm and march on iceland ?
get the petition escalated, and put some effort into punctuation when you send in the petition form. You might actually get a clear message across and get the issue solved ?
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Taedrin
Gallente Mercatoris Technologies
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:40:00 -
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They say that China built the great wall of text to keep out the Mongol invaders...
tl, dr - paragraphs and structure would make things easier on the brain.
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Blue Pixie
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:41:00 -
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Let me see if I understand your premise correctly...
CCP's strategy to get "FAT HAPPY AND RICH" is to ban subscribers indiscriminately, thus lowering their overall revenue?
Wow, that's genius!
And yes, to answer your question, it's well within CCP's legal and moral rights to refuse service to anyone they choose.
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Amarr Perfection
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:43:00 -
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you know, what are you guys afraid of, afraid to admit that possibly CCP is not exactly as good to their players as they act? Eula 7. CONDUCT A. Specifically Restricted Conduct Your continued access to the System and license to play the Game is subject to proper conduct. Without limiting CCP's rights to control the Game environment, and the conduct of the players within that environment, CCP prohibits the following practices that CCP has determined detract from the overall user experience of the users playing the Game: 1. You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System. 2. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played. 3. You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. 4. You may not use the Software, or any information accessible through the System, to bypass the System login architecture or create or provide any other means through which the System may be accessed and/or the Game may be played by others, as, for example, through server emulators. 5. You may not engage in any conduct that results in an Account containing items, objects, currency, character attributes, rank, or status that are inappropriate for the level or rank of the character contained in the Account, including without limitation arranging, making or accepting transfers of items to a character without adequate consideration, thereby augmenting or aggregating items in an Account and increasing its value for an Account sale.
B. Selling Items and Objects You may not transfer, sell or auction, or buy or accept any offer to transfer, sell or auction (or offer to do any of the foregoing), any content appearing within the Game environment, including without limitation characters, character attributes, items, currency, and objects, other than via a permitted Character Transfer as described in section 3 above. You may not encourage or induce any other person to participate in such a prohibited transaction. The buying, selling or auctioning (or any attempt at doing so) of characters, character attributes, items, currency, or objects, whether through online auctions (such as ebay), newsgroups, postings on message boards or any other means is prohibited by the EULA and a violation of CCP's proprietary rights in the Game.
C. Compliance with Rules of Conduct You agree to observe and abide by the Rules of Conduct as may be amended by CCP from time to time. The current version of the Rules of Conduct may be viewed at http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/terms.asp, and are incorporated in the EULA by reference.
They didnt break any of those rules, so why ban awnser that?
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Amarr Perfection
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:48:00 -
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And Their Right to do Whatever they want however they want when people that work for their money and pay for their service and then they rob them because they need a scape goat? lol anyone live in the real world here or am i just nuts? well im nuts ill admit that but i am honest and fair and willing to admit my mistakes and pay the price when i do somthing wrong, but if i didnt I FIGHT IT, and if u guys wont fight it u let them when when they are in the wrong, and personaly lol they are wrong, i dont knwo them or how their world works, but i know ive done my part and played this game paid my bill and went about my biz and if i got banned for knwoing somone who messed up, that is not my fault and in the real world, if im at home chilling doing my own thing and my neigbor that i drink beer with and play eve with murders his wife while im at home asleep, should they arrest me 2?
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:49:00 -
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Edited by: ThaMa Gebir on 06/02/2007 02:46:18
Originally by: Amarr Perfection Wow, he/she found the EULA.
They didnt break any of those rules, so why ban awnser that?
That is to be determined, can your friends PROVE that they did not sell/ buy said items on ebay or such? Perhaps they were given it by a player that was leaving and can they prove it?
If not and there is no way to find out where that isk actually came from (Like a gtc sale or such) then it leaves only one avenue, Ebay.
Makes sense to me at least.....
My advice; do not flame, wait it out and cool down. Truth will prevail, or in the worst case go emo and sit in the corner trying to cut yourself (or your grass for that matter) with a rusty butterknife.
Sounds to me like you would have more fun like that.
Edit; clarity. Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing
Funny, i'm still here - Petwraith
There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus
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Stitcher
Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:50:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 06/02/2007 02:46:30 Why is it that every twenty-first word in EVERY ONE* of his posts is "lol"?
*With the exception of the one where he quoted the EULA
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Dominator9987
Minmatar adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:51:00 -
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Well let me be one of the first non-trollers to reply to this and dumb it down for the trollers (as they can't read things if they don't have paragraphs and vary from Grade 10 level American english).
What's being said here is that a few people got banned because someone they were associated with got caught selling game content or something of the like. The GMs / Authorities then banned the culprit but did not stop there, they also banned people that the culprit played the game with penalizing them for association.
And it did not stop there.
Apparently, the individuals banned for association were unbanned with a negative wallet count (thats isk in the debt condition for your trollers), and then rebanned later after they had tried to reclaim the debt by doing honest work for it.
Now the argument our author is making is that we should be careful who we associate ourselves with and possibly turn this into a single player game because CCP could actually ban you for whatever reason they feel like; so best not to make friends with anyone because they might be targetted.
and at the risk of embracing some penalty myself...
These bannings took place the night prior to Goonswarm / others attacking detroid, and the individuals whose bans are in question were fueling PoS's.
ps. he gave me his stuff already.
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j0sephine
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:51:00 -
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"GM caught playing game. Chaos ensues."
CCP addresses the disturbance in swift and widely applauded manner -- torches, pitchforks and tinfoil hats to be Soon(tm) added to EVE Store.
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Amarr Perfection
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:54:00 -
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LOL is a nice common way of me saying im laughing at CCP for all this retarded crap that is unfair and bulloni and makes me want to quit. and of course since none of you are in the same situation and can hardly make u think the same i just want you all to know so atleast its not hidden.
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dominator9987 Well let me be one of the first non-trollers to reply to this and dumb it down for the trollers (as they can't read things if they don't have paragraphs and vary from Grade 10 level American english).
What's being said here is that a few people got banned because someone they were associated with got caught selling game content or something of the like. The GMs / Authorities then banned the culprit but did not stop there, they also banned people that the culprit played the game with penalizing them for association.
And it did not stop there.
Apparently, the individuals banned for association were unbanned with a negative wallet count (thats isk in the debt condition for your trollers), and then rebanned later after they had tried to reclaim the debt by doing honest work for it.
Now the argument our author is making is that we should be careful who we associate ourselves with and possibly turn this into a single player game because CCP could actually ban you for whatever reason they feel like; so best not to make friends with anyone because they might be targetted.
and at the risk of embracing some penalty myself...
These bannings took place the night prior to Goonswarm / others attacking detroid, and the individuals whose bans are in question were fueling PoS's.
ps. he gave me his stuff already.
Hmm the plot thickens.
Am interested to hear what comes of this, but then CCP or anyone else are not going to produce results.
Ah well. Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing
Funny, i'm still here - Petwraith
There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus
pwnt - Immy!!!11 |
Stitcher
Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.06 02:59:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 06/02/2007 02:57:37
Originally by: Dominator9987 Well let me be one of the first non-trollers to reply to this and dumb it down for the trollers (as they can't read things if they don't have paragraphs and vary from Grade 10 level American english).
What's being said here is that a few people got banned because someone they were associated with got caught selling game content or something of the like. The GMs / Authorities then banned the culprit but did not stop there, they also banned people that the culprit played the game with penalizing them for association.
And it did not stop there.
Apparently, the individuals banned for association were unbanned with a negative wallet count (thats isk in the debt condition for your trollers), and then rebanned later after they had tried to reclaim the debt by doing honest work for it.
Now the argument our author is making is that we should be careful who we associate ourselves with and possibly turn this into a single player game because CCP could actually ban you for whatever reason they feel like; so best not to make friends with anyone because they might be targetted.
and at the risk of embracing some penalty myself...
These bannings took place the night prior to Goonswarm / others attacking detroid, and the individuals whose bans are in question were fueling PoS's.
ps. he gave me his stuff already.
I think none of us have a problem with the message being conveyed, but honestly, is there any harm in presenting it clearly?
I know a player who got a warning for using a macro while mining. He was present at his keyboard the whole time, and got a warning and temporary ban over it. I myself received a warning from the GMs a while back over an (admittedly idiotic) piece of smack that got taken wildly out of context.
People make mistakes. You learn ten times as much from getting it wrong as you do from getting it right.
All I'm asking for is a thread that reads as if the author has taken a little effort over it. At the moment it reads like Grade A+ verbal Diarrhea and the (perfectly valid) query is lost in a sea of illegible drivel.
I'm all for an intelligent debate. but why should I be forced to decrypt the endless stream of bad spelling interspersed with the occasional random "lol" in order to have that debate? I have better things to do with my time than translate walls of text. ***
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