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Amarr Perfection	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:14:00 - [1] you know how fair is it for ccp to ban somone that knows somone that broke the rules? anyone feel that is unfair that u can get banned just because u knew someone doing somthing wrong so automatically you are envolved with them? or in leage with them?? some very very good friends of mine got perma banned for knwoing someone that got caught selling isk on ebay, benoust our knowlege they were just rl friends, how is it my friends fault that they were breaking hte rules, now Here im breaking the eula agreement, and i really dont care because personaly i feel like CCP has done nothing but theif the money that my friends had put into the game playing it which is making our ccp friends FAT HAPPY AND RICH? so they can treat people like fish in a barrel and point and shoot because they got a stick up their bum? ooo wait **** that, im gonna cuss 2 because thats another thing might aswell break the rules becuase you epople need to know, so i hope that you people that are reading this before it gets deleted and i get banned and cannot play eve anymore for standing up for my friends that did nothing wrong you all should know what u are throwing ur money away to CCP. GM Nova banned my friends when not 2 weeks earlier he unbanned somone that had been caught iwth unequivical evidence that they were selling game time code cards, and he is back playing the game, hell my friend Nonterra, and this brothers char's alts and everything else Didnt do anything wrong they onyl knew somone that did and on top of htat they unbanned him for a day with -28bill isk LOL then Banned him saying WE are sorry we made a mistake, what kinda crap is that? anyone here think that is right? we tried explaining things to them, they dont care, and on top of that they have no evidence or anything else to ban my friends they just banned becasue he had helped them out becuae he was a rl friend, and on top of that, he was helping wth a captialship venture which takes BILLIONS of isk and teamwork, and just becuase there was no corpsonance in game doesnt mean that people dont talk all the time hell i talk with people i play with everyday and they have NEVER gotten a Evemail or private convo from me, anyone else? seriously? anyways, Here comes the Bannage i suppose. at one point i thought it was wroth it to pay to play this game, i was wrong, people that take away somones friendships, and hobbies over somthing trival for 1, and secondly for somthing they didnt do? lol hell with that im not investing another penny. i hope the people that get to read this Understand that :) Sarge out ps Gm Nova should really have his job performace checked because we all know he plays the game, and just becuase u have contacts inside CCP doesnt mean u can use it to cause dessention or the upper or lowerhand in the world of eve or try to play god because it makes you feel better.
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:16:00 - [2] PARAGRAPHS Oh and yes CCP can ban who they like when they like its there game even your accounts are their property. Read the EULA that you agreed to when you signed up.... that is basically a contract you know. Join the save Stargate SG1 Campaign Today! http://savestargatesg1.com/
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:18:00 - [3] I rarely post this, but.... tl;dr, use paragraphs. -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:20:00 - [4] Edited by: Stitcher on 06/02/2007 02:16:55 not to be mean, but what I saw was: Quote: Is it right For CCP to Ban who they chose? With no Evidence? ENORMOUS BLOCK OF TEXT OMG!!!!!! Sarge out. Smaller block of text I didn't actually read it, though from one or two of the standout words in there ("FAT HAPPY AND RICH?", "CCP. GM Nova", "BILLIONS", "NEVER" and the repeated use of the words "ban" or "banned") I suspect there is tinfoilhattery afoot. So... can I have your stuff when you quit? ***
Amarr Perfection	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:23:00 - [5] You can only get banned for breaking hte Eula and They are really ooo how does a lawyer say it, in breach of agreement which makes the contract nule and void... hmmm wonder what that means.... lets see AND what abouthe consideration tehy already recivied, and by accepting payment that should emply service, and wihtout that service its theif of service and even in london thats a jailable offense. just bad all around
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:25:00 - [6] Originally by: Amarr Perfection You can only get banned for breaking the Eula Originally by: EULA We reserve the right to ban any user from the game without refund or compensation. -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:26:00 - [7] Actually no, you can be banned for being someone CCP dont like actually. For not using punctuation and for being illiterate as well. Or for not brushing your teeth often enough. Of course, that makes no sense, so we'll just have to assume they do base bans off of the EULA or of security concerns. You do know there's an appeal process btw ? You can ask for some other senior gm to look at the ban and procedure. Of course, going nuts on the forums doesn't improve your chances of that being succesfull much. Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Amarr Perfection	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:26:00 - [8] lol great get out of jail free card LMFAO!
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:28:00 - [9] Originally by: Amarr Perfection You can only get banned for breaking hte Eula and They are really ooo how does a lawyer say it, in breach of agreement which makes the contract nule and void... hmmm wonder what that means.... lets see AND what abouthe consideration tehy already recivied, and by accepting payment that should emply service, and wihtout that service its theif of service and even in london thats a jailable offense. just bad all around Look, I really don't want to be cruel here, but you'd get your point across a lot better if you took more than five seconds to write your post, bothered to spell check it first, and used something even remotely resembling punctuation and paragraphs. At the moment, what we're seeing appears to be the insane ramblings of a paranoid monkey that's desperately trying to convey the thoughts buzzing around it's simian little brain by poking at the keyboard with the wrong end of a hammer. Slow down, take some time in composing your posts, and present your case clearly. Please. ***
Amarr Perfection	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:28:00 - [10] They wont Let htem do anything, and CCP cannot prove anything its purly on assumption and when somone has investd years into a game LOL thats a bit of cash :) and in real life that has monitary value, even though its a vertual item.
TimR Gallente GalacTECH Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:29:00 - [11] Originally by: Amarr Perfection ps Gm Nova should really have his job performace checked because we all know he plays the game.. GM caught playing game. Chaos ensues.
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:30:00 - [12] Originally by: TimR Originally by: Amarr Perfection ps Gm Nova should really have his job performace checked because we all know he plays the game.. GM caught playing game. Chaos ensues. ***
Amarr Perfection	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:30:00 - [13] and i could give a flying rats butox about my grammer or spell check if iwanted it to look professional i would get my lawyer to do it, right now i dont care and i can get my point across faster then most by being simple, i dont have tobe all hooopdy and ladi da perfect so its not cruel, looking smart doesnt make u smart, and looking dumb doesnt make u dumb.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:31:00 - [14] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 06/02/2007 02:27:43 Originally by: TimR Originally by: Amarr Perfection ps Gm Nova should really have his job performace checked because we all know he plays the game.. GM caught playing game. Chaos ensues. Well, we obviously cant have that can we ? Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:32:00 - [15] Originally by: Amarr Perfection looking dumb doesnt make u dumb. Actually, recent studies revealed that it in fact does make you dumb. Quelle une surprise ! Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:34:00 - [16] Oh, I see! we're being troll'd! How novel! ***
Amarr Perfection	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:35:00 - [17] well thank you for the compliment, i appreciate it when people smash somone becuase they cant spell lol but thats getting off the point, ccp banned good guys because they knew somone that helped them out, and accused them of buying isk with no proof or evidence and i know they didnt do it hell i know them personally, and ccp just banned them for knowing them permabanned and rudly at that. the investigation was well short to say the least.
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:36:00 - [18] Originally by: Amarr Perfection you know how fair is it for ccp to ban somone that knows somone that broke the rules? anyone feel that is unfair that u can get banned just because u knew someone doing somthing wrong so automatically you are envolved with them? or in leage with them?? some very very good friends of mine got (were) perma banned for knwoing someone that got caught selling isk on ebay, benoust (WTH does that mean??? ) our knowlege they were just rl friends, how is it my friends fault that they were breaking hte rules. Now, here im breaking the eula agreement, and i really dont care because personaly i feel like CCP has done nothing but thieve the money that my friends had put into the game playing it, which is making our ccp friends FAT, HAPPY AND RICH? so they can treat people like fish in a barrel and point and shoot because they got a stick up their bum? ooo wait ** that, im gonna cuss 2 because thats another thing might aswell break the rules becuase you epople need to know, so i hope that you people that are reading this before it gets deleted and i get banned and cannot play eve anymore for standing up for my friends that did nothing wrong, you all should know what (that?) u are throwing ur money away to CCP. GM (naming GM's is bad, mmmkaaay?!) banned my friends when not 2 weeks earlier he unbanned somone that had been caught iwth unequivical (unequivocal?) evidence that they were selling game time code cards (this is allowed at the moment, however it may change), this gentleman is back playing the game, hell my friend Nonterra and this brothers char's alts and everything else didnt do anything wrong they onyl knew somone that did and on top of htat they unbanned him for a day with -28bill isk LOL then Banned him saying WE are sorry we made a mistake, what kinda crap is that? Does anyone here think that is right? we tried explaining things to them, they dont care, and on top of that they have no evidence or anything else to ban my friends they just banned becasue he had helped them out becuae he was a rl friend, and on top of that, he was helping wth a captialship venture which takes BILLIONS of isk and teamwork, and just becuase there was no corpsonance (?) in game doesnt mean that people dont talk all the time hell i talk with people i play with everyday and they have NEVER gotten a Evemail or private convo from me, anyone else? seriously? anyways, Here comes the Bannage i suppose. at one point i thought it was wroth it to pay to play this game, i was wrong, people that take away somones friendships, and hobbies over somthing trival for 1, and secondly for somthing they didnt do? lol hell with that im not investing another penny. i hope the people that get to read this Understand that :) Sarge out ps GM (I said it was bad to name the GM's) should really have his job performace checked because we all know he plays the game, and just becuase u have contacts inside CCP doesnt mean u can use it to cause dessention or the upper or lowerhand in the world of eve or try to play god because it makes you feel better. Attempted to make the post more legible, if you can understand what this young and (unfortunetly) not too experienced person is babbling on about, I would appreciate a translation of some kind. Lets see if my sig can survive this round of ***ing Funny, i'm still here - Petwraith There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy!!!11
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:39:00 - [19] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 06/02/2007 02:35:54 hey, you havent been smashed at all. Or maybe a little :p Anyway, what is the point here ? You expect us all to get our favourite firearm and march on iceland ? get the petition escalated, and put some effort into punctuation when you send in the petition form. You might actually get a clear message across and get the issue solved ? Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:40:00 - [20] They say that China built the great wall of text to keep out the Mongol invaders... tl, dr - paragraphs and structure would make things easier on the brain.
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:41:00 - [21] Let me see if I understand your premise correctly... CCP's strategy to get "FAT HAPPY AND RICH" is to ban subscribers indiscriminately, thus lowering their overall revenue? Wow, that's genius! And yes, to answer your question, it's well within CCP's legal and moral rights to refuse service to anyone they choose.
Amarr Perfection	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:43:00 - [22] you know, what are you guys afraid of, afraid to admit that possibly CCP is not exactly as good to their players as they act? Eula 7. CONDUCT A. Specifically Restricted Conduct Your continued access to the System and license to play the Game is subject to proper conduct. Without limiting CCP's rights to control the Game environment, and the conduct of the players within that environment, CCP prohibits the following practices that CCP has determined detract from the overall user experience of the users playing the Game: 1. You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System. 2. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played. 3. You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. 4. You may not use the Software, or any information accessible through the System, to bypass the System login architecture or create or provide any other means through which the System may be accessed and/or the Game may be played by others, as, for example, through server emulators. 5. You may not engage in any conduct that results in an Account containing items, objects, currency, character attributes, rank, or status that are inappropriate for the level or rank of the character contained in the Account, including without limitation arranging, making or accepting transfers of items to a character without adequate consideration, thereby augmenting or aggregating items in an Account and increasing its value for an Account sale. B. Selling Items and Objects You may not transfer, sell or auction, or buy or accept any offer to transfer, sell or auction (or offer to do any of the foregoing), any content appearing within the Game environment, including without limitation characters, character attributes, items, currency, and objects, other than via a permitted Character Transfer as described in section 3 above. You may not encourage or induce any other person to participate in such a prohibited transaction. The buying, selling or auctioning (or any attempt at doing so) of characters, character attributes, items, currency, or objects, whether through online auctions (such as ebay), newsgroups, postings on message boards or any other means is prohibited by the EULA and a violation of CCP's proprietary rights in the Game. C. Compliance with Rules of Conduct You agree to observe and abide by the Rules of Conduct as may be amended by CCP from time to time. The current version of the Rules of Conduct may be viewed at http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/terms.asp, and are incorporated in the EULA by reference. They didnt break any of those rules, so why ban awnser that?
Amarr Perfection	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:48:00 - [23] And Their Right to do Whatever they want however they want when people that work for their money and pay for their service and then they rob them because they need a scape goat? lol anyone live in the real world here or am i just nuts? well im nuts ill admit that but i am honest and fair and willing to admit my mistakes and pay the price when i do somthing wrong, but if i didnt I FIGHT IT, and if u guys wont fight it u let them when when they are in the wrong, and personaly lol they are wrong, i dont knwo them or how their world works, but i know ive done my part and played this game paid my bill and went about my biz and if i got banned for knwoing somone who messed up, that is not my fault and in the real world, if im at home chilling doing my own thing and my neigbor that i drink beer with and play eve with murders his wife while im at home asleep, should they arrest me 2?
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:49:00 - [24] Edited by: ThaMa Gebir on 06/02/2007 02:46:18 Originally by: Amarr Perfection Wow, he/she found the EULA. They didnt break any of those rules, so why ban awnser that? That is to be determined, can your friends PROVE that they did not sell/ buy said items on ebay or such? Perhaps they were given it by a player that was leaving and can they prove it? If not and there is no way to find out where that isk actually came from (Like a gtc sale or such) then it leaves only one avenue, Ebay. Makes sense to me at least..... My advice; do not flame, wait it out and cool down. Truth will prevail, or in the worst case go emo and sit in the corner trying to cut yourself (or your grass for that matter) with a rusty butterknife. Sounds to me like you would have more fun like that. *Edit; clarity.* Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing Funny, i'm still here - Petwraith There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy!!!11
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:50:00 - [25] Edited by: Stitcher on 06/02/2007 02:46:30 Why is it that every twenty-first word in EVERY ONE* of his posts is "lol"? *With the exception of the one where he quoted the EULA ***
Dominator9987 Minmatar adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:51:00 - [26] Well let me be one of the first non-trollers to reply to this and dumb it down for the trollers (as they can't read things if they don't have paragraphs and vary from Grade 10 level American english). What's being said here is that a few people got banned because someone they were associated with got caught selling game content or something of the like. The GMs / Authorities then banned the culprit but did not stop there, they also banned people that the culprit played the game with penalizing them for association. And it did not stop there. Apparently, the individuals banned for association were unbanned with a negative wallet count (thats isk in the debt condition for your trollers), and then rebanned later after they had tried to reclaim the debt by doing honest work for it. Now the argument our author is making is that we should be careful who we associate ourselves with and possibly turn this into a single player game because CCP could actually ban you for whatever reason they feel like; so best not to make friends with anyone because they might be targetted. and at the risk of embracing some penalty myself... These bannings took place the night prior to Goonswarm / others attacking detroid, and the individuals whose bans are in question were fueling PoS's. ps. he gave me his stuff already.
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:51:00 - [27] "GM caught playing game. Chaos ensues." CCP addresses the disturbance in swift and widely applauded manner -- torches, pitchforks and tinfoil hats to be Soon(tm) added to EVE Store.
Amarr Perfection	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:54:00 - [28] LOL is a nice common way of me saying im laughing at CCP for all this retarded crap that is unfair and bulloni and makes me want to quit. and of course since none of you are in the same situation and can hardly make u think the same i just want you all to know so atleast its not hidden.
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:56:00 - [29] Originally by: Dominator9987 Well let me be one of the first non-trollers to reply to this and dumb it down for the trollers (as they can't read things if they don't have paragraphs and vary from Grade 10 level American english). What's being said here is that a few people got banned because someone they were associated with got caught selling game content or something of the like. The GMs / Authorities then banned the culprit but did not stop there, they also banned people that the culprit played the game with penalizing them for association. And it did not stop there. Apparently, the individuals banned for association were unbanned with a negative wallet count (thats isk in the debt condition for your trollers), and then rebanned later after they had tried to reclaim the debt by doing honest work for it. Now the argument our author is making is that we should be careful who we associate ourselves with and possibly turn this into a single player game because CCP could actually ban you for whatever reason they feel like; so best not to make friends with anyone because they might be targetted. and at the risk of embracing some penalty myself... These bannings took place the night prior to Goonswarm / others attacking detroid, and the individuals whose bans are in question were fueling PoS's. ps. he gave me his stuff already. Hmm the plot thickens. Am interested to hear what comes of this, but then CCP or anyone else are not going to produce results. Ah well. Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing Funny, i'm still here - Petwraith There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy!!!11
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:59:00 - [30] Edited by: Stitcher on 06/02/2007 02:57:37 Originally by: Dominator9987 Well let me be one of the first non-trollers to reply to this and dumb it down for the trollers (as they can't read things if they don't have paragraphs and vary from Grade 10 level American english). What's being said here is that a few people got banned because someone they were associated with got caught selling game content or something of the like. The GMs / Authorities then banned the culprit but did not stop there, they also banned people that the culprit played the game with penalizing them for association. And it did not stop there. Apparently, the individuals banned for association were unbanned with a negative wallet count (thats isk in the debt condition for your trollers), and then rebanned later after they had tried to reclaim the debt by doing honest work for it. Now the argument our author is making is that we should be careful who we associate ourselves with and possibly turn this into a single player game because CCP could actually ban you for whatever reason they feel like; so best not to make friends with anyone because they might be targetted. and at the risk of embracing some penalty myself... These bannings took place the night prior to Goonswarm / others attacking detroid, and the individuals whose bans are in question were fueling PoS's. ps. he gave me his stuff already. I think none of us have a problem with the message being conveyed, but honestly, is there any harm in presenting it clearly? I know a player who got a warning for using a macro while mining. He was present at his keyboard the whole time, and got a warning and temporary ban over it. I myself received a warning from the GMs a while back over an (admittedly idiotic) piece of smack that got taken wildly out of context. People make mistakes. You learn ten times as much from getting it wrong as you do from getting it right. All I'm asking for is a thread that reads as if the author has taken a little effort over it. At the moment it reads like Grade A+ verbal Diarrhea and the (perfectly valid) query is lost in a sea of illegible drivel. I'm all for an intelligent debate. but why should I be forced to decrypt the endless stream of bad spelling interspersed with the occasional random "lol" in order to have that debate? I have better things to do with my time than translate walls of text. ***
Kurtz Minmatar Eldorado Exploration Expedition	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:59:00 - [31] You are attempting to use the written word to convey your thoughts. It is considered a valid style to write in the stream of consciousness manner, ala James Joyce. However, a smashed together diatribe of poor penmanship brings only derision to your cause. You must understand this simple fact if you are to present a written argument. Now, on to your argument, or at least what I can parse out of ità. How? Pray tell, did the folks at CCP find out about your real life friends and their association with the forbidden behavior? I doubt they tapped phone lines or teamspeak/vent servers. I doubt they listened in whilst sitting at the next table at the coffee shop. I suspect there was some in game chatting going on where the forbidden activity was discussed. This would be prima-facie evidence that these folks had more than just knowledge of the forbidden activities. CCP likely banned based upon transcripts of chats. As stated above, your best chances would be via the petition system. Quietly pleading your case. A public action such as this is not going to help you, other than for entertainment purposes. In before the lock :-/
Benco97 Gallente Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:00:00 - [32] CCP can ban who they like, it's their game and they allow us to play it, it's a privilage not a right. "MY GOD KEEP THIS AWAY FROM BENCO97!!!!!" - Constantine Arcanum
Vodka Neat Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:09:00 - [33] The only reason this thread isn't locked and the poster banned is nobody in CCP is able read through the word wall he used pretty smart of him. (wonder if it contained any information? we may never know.) -Why don't the NPC pilots have pods?-
MeestaPenni Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:10:00 - [34] "bulloni" Heh. That's actually better than bologna. We may be witnessing an etymological revolution.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:12:00 - [35] In short: Yes, their game, their rules, which you agree to. They can ban anyone at any time. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:13:00 - [36] Originally by: Rod Blaine Actually no, you can be banned for being someone CCP dont like actually. For not using punctuation and for being illiterate as well. Or for not brushing your teeth often enough. /me waves goodbye... Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:16:00 - [37] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Rod Blaine Actually no, you can be banned for being someone CCP dont like actually. For not using punctuation and for being illiterate as well. Or for not brushing your teeth often enough. /me waves goodbye... But, but Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing Funny, i'm still here - Petwraith There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy!!!11
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:18:00 - [38] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia In short: Yes, their game, their rules, which you agree to. They can ban anyone at any time. Well, to be fair the question's not whether they're allowed to, it's whether they should. Or, more precisely, whether more subtlety should be exercised and each individual case should be given more care and attention. I think EVE players are comfortable with the ways the GMs operate for the most part. After all, if we weren't, there'd be more threads like this one on these here boards (except most of them would be spell checked and punctuated). ***
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:21:00 - [39] Ban Mail: Victim: Amarr Perfection Destroyed: self-respect Involved Parties: Name: TomB (laid the final blow) Security: -11.0 Alliance: CCP Corp: Management
Erdain Umbra Congregatio	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:23:00 - [40] Yes, it's fair for them to ban someone. They reserve the right. Also, if you feel like you have been banned unfairly, take it up with them; they're pretty good about their customer service. Frankly, I'm glad they ban. I don't want to play an unmoderated game. *RockOut**
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:25:00 - [41] Originally by: Erdain Yes, it's fair for them to ban someone. They reserve the right. Also, if you feel like you have been banned unfairly, take it up with them; they're pretty good about their customer service. Frankly, I'm glad they ban. I don't want to play an unmoderated game. QFT ***
Mirus Crosius Caldari adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:35:00 - [42] well its enough for me to cancel my accounts u all do what you want. CCP doesnt deserve the money they get for the way they treat their customers.
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:37:00 - [43] Edited by: Stitcher on 06/02/2007 03:34:56 Originally by: Mirus Crosius well its enough for me to cancel my accounts u all do what you want. CCP doesnt deserve the money they get for the way they treat their customers. can I have your stuff? EDIT: sorry, it's mandatory. On a more serious note, I really don't see where you're coming from with that statement. I'm yet to see CCP actually mistreat any customer too severely. What specific example would you like to cite before leaving? After all, I'm pretty certain there's a "customer feedback" thing somewhere... ***
Bawldeux IV Green Lantern Corps	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:37:00 - [44] Originally by: Erdain Yes, it's fair for them to ban someone. They reserve the right. Also, if you feel like you have been banned unfairly, take it up with them; they're pretty good about their customer service. Frankly, I'm glad they ban. I don't want to play an unmoderated game. ya. ...if you did get banned, you had to have done something...if it was about who ccp "liked"...I would have been banned long ago.<waves>
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:38:00 - [45] Originally by: Amarr Perfection you know how fair is it for ccp to ban somone that knows somone that broke the rules? anyone feel that is unfair that u can get banned just because u knew someone doing somthing wrong so automatically you are envolved with them? or in leage with them?? some very very good friends of mine got perma banned for knwoing someone that got caught selling isk on ebay, benoust our knowlege they were just rl friends, how is it my friends fault that they were breaking hte rules, now Here im breaking the eula agreement, and i really dont care because personaly i feel like CCP has done nothing but theif the money that my friends had put into the game playing it which is making our ccp friends FAT HAPPY AND RICH? so they can treat people like fish in a barrel and point and shoot because they got a stick up their bum? ooo wait **** that, im gonna cuss 2 because thats another thing might aswell break the rules becuase you epople need to know, so i hope that you people that are reading this before it gets deleted and i get banned and cannot play eve anymore for standing up for my friends that did nothing wrong you all should know what u are throwing ur money away to CCP. GM Nova banned my friends when not 2 weeks earlier he unbanned somone that had been caught iwth unequivical evidence that they were selling game time code cards, and he is back playing the game, hell my friend Nonterra, and this brothers char's alts and everything else Didnt do anything wrong they onyl knew somone that did and on top of htat they unbanned him for a day with -28bill isk LOL then Banned him saying WE are sorry we made a mistake, what kinda crap is that? anyone here think that is right? we tried explaining things to them, they dont care, and on top of that they have no evidence or anything else to ban my friends they just banned becasue he had helped them out becuae he was a rl friend, and on top of that, he was helping wth a captialship venture which takes BILLIONS of isk and teamwork, and just becuase there was no corpsonance in game doesnt mean that people dont talk all the time hell i talk with people i play with everyday and they have NEVER gotten a Evemail or private convo from me, anyone else? seriously? anyways, Here comes the Bannage i suppose. at one point i thought it was wroth it to pay to play this game, i was wrong, people that take away somones friendships, and hobbies over somthing trival for 1, and secondly for somthing they didnt do? lol hell with that im not investing another penny. i hope the people that get to read this Understand that :) Sarge out ps Gm Nova should really have his job performace checked because we all know he plays the game, and just becuase u have contacts inside CCP doesnt mean u can use it to cause dessention or the upper or lowerhand in the world of eve or try to play god because it makes you feel better. Too bad your friend wasn't in BOB. If he had been you guys prolly wouldda got medals instead of getting the boot. Thanks for finally giving me my damn picture!
Nikla Uthaan Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:40:00 - [46] In RL I can lose my job for associating with the wrong people. So I don't see banning people who are associates as an issue, but thats just my slight bias. And by associating, I mean I'd merely have to willingly befriend, and not actually get involved in any wrongdoings they may be performing. On a side note, i love it when people post these things in here. Go to CCP if you are actually serious about resolving the issue. ----------------- One word,, emo,,, The Mishing is an ethnic group in the districts of North Lakhimpur, Sonitput, Dhemaji, Dibrugarh, Sibsagar, Jorhat, Golaghat, Tinsukia of Assam.
Mirus Crosius Caldari adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:42:00 - [47] F U C K E N I D I O T S you are paying to play the game. You have rights, If you think you dont, Your a Moron, Plain and simple. And For you Forum Hoe's Shut The F U C K Up just because someone does not take the time to be propore for you doesn't give you the right to bash them. Or do you have anything better to do Then read the thread, You Read it, You Replied, If its a waste of your time don't Reply.
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:43:00 - [48] Edited by: Stitcher on 06/02/2007 03:41:11 Edited by: Stitcher on 06/02/2007 03:40:04 woah.... Okay, where's the "report topic" button? This has gone on long enough I think. ***
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:45:00 - [49] I hope a forum mod comes in and bans the guy 2 posts up. That's ridiculously uncalled for. Thanks for finally giving me my damn picture!
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:47:00 - [50] Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 06/02/2007 03:41:11 Edited by: Stitcher on 06/02/2007 03:40:04 woah.... Okay, where's the "report topic" button? This has gone on long enough I think. Dayumn, that was harsh. QFT. Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing Funny, i'm still here - Petwraith There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy!!!11
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:51:00 - [51] Originally by: Mirus Crosius F U C K E N I D I O T S you are paying to play the game. You have rights, If you think you dont, Your a Moron, Plain and simple. And For you Forum Hoe's Shut The F U C K Up just because someone does not take the time to be propore for you doesn't give you the right to bash them. Or do you have anything better to do Then read the thread, You Read it, You Replied, If its a waste of your time don't Reply. fresh air and perspective that way --->
Mirus Crosius Caldari adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:51:00 - [52] God dam right its harsh and i dont give a F U C K what you think, personally this game and its moderators have a seriously bad problem with a power complex and i know im gonna get banned anyway so what do i got lost 30 mill sp char ooo well lol, sombody needs a slap in real life, and wars are happen here dont they, and u pipsqueak up there telling they hope they delete my post shut up, it was called for, what do care bout spelling anyway, and if u dont have somthing worthwhile to put into this thing then STFU
Seana Elria E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:51:00 - [53] Originally by: Liquid Vision I hope a forum mod comes in and bans the guy 2 posts up. That would be suitably ironic in relation to this thread's topic.
Mirus Crosius Caldari adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:52:00 - [54] Least my kids cant hear me cussing LOL!
Dominator9987 Minmatar adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:53:00 - [55] I think this post was called for, if this kinda thing is going on we should be informed of it. Shutting it down (no matter how it was conveyed) is censureship.
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:54:00 - [56] Originally by: Mirus Crosius God dam right its harsh and i dont give a F U C K what you think, personally this game and its moderators have a seriously bad problem with a power complex and i know im gonna get banned anyway so what do i got lost 30 mill sp char ooo well lol, sombody needs a slap in real life, and wars are happen here dont they, and u pipsqueak up there telling they hope they delete my post shut up, it was called for, what do care bout spelling anyway, and if u dont have somthing worthwhile to put into this thing then STFU And you insulting people here is actually constructive? Got to start calling my boss a four letter word that means female genetalia more often because it is "constructive". Oh hang on, I would then be banned.... Bummer. Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing Funny, i'm still here - Petwraith There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy!!!11
Mirus Crosius Caldari adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:54:00 - [57] FREEEDOM OF SPEECH Mf'ERS!
Nikla Uthaan Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:55:00 - [58] Edited by: Nikla Uthaan on 06/02/2007 03:53:27 Originally by: Mirus Crosius God dam right its harsh and i dont give a * * * * what you think, personally this game and its moderators have a seriously bad problem with a power complex and i know im gonna get banned anyway so what do i got lost 30 mill sp char ooo well lol, sombody needs a slap in real life, and wars are happen here dont they, and u pipsqueak up there telling they hope they delete my post shut up, it was called for, what do care bout spelling anyway, and if u dont have somthing worthwhile to put into this thing then STFU and for clarification. Originally by: Mirus Crosius .. a seriously bad problem with a power complex ... ----------------- One word,, emo,,, The Mishing is an ethnic group in the districts of North Lakhimpur, Sonitput, Dhemaji, Dibrugarh, Sibsagar, Jorhat, Golaghat, Tinsukia of Assam.
Seana Elria E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:56:00 - [59] Originally by: Dominator9987 I think this post was called for, if this kinda thing is going on we should be informed of it. Shutting it down (no matter how it was conveyed) is censureship. Last time I looked, GM/Dev correspondence with players is something that is not allowed on the boards and since bannings in-and-of-themselves are matters between GMs and the player-getting-banned in question, then it would naturally proceed that it would be a matter that wouldn't be allowed on the board. Personally, don't give a care to hear about someone else getting banned as its between the person banned and the GMs if the person wants to dispute it. We've no right or obligation to be policing and analyzing GM decisions, that's what the appeals process is for.
Mirus Crosius Caldari adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:56:00 - [60] Hey I would love to have the Debate in Realife at a table face to face, im Sure it would go quite differently, its just easier for people to try to act superior in a little white box on a computer screen safe from the reality of what you say. and that is not meant in a threating way its just not how things are handled in realife, but when u are using realife money it then becomes somthing more then just a game.
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:56:00 - [61] Originally by: Mirus Crosius God dam right its harsh and i dont give a F U C K what you think, If you dont care what we think then why on earth are you posting? Seriously, theres channels to get this kind of stuff sorted. Ask for your petition to be escalated and explain in clear and concise terms why you feel its wrong. GM's make mistakes, perhaps theres a side to whatever happened that they missed. Coming here and ranting like this makes you look like a chump.
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:57:00 - [62] Originally by: Dominator9987 I think this post was called for, if this kinda thing is going on we should be informed of it. Shutting it down (no matter how it was conveyed) is censureship. Maybe... like I said before, it's not the point that's causing problems, it's the presentation and flagrant abuse being thrown around in this thread. Threads like these get locked not because the mods are a bunch of egomaniacs, but because of the way some people treat each other. This COULD be a perfectly civil thread. it isn't. at this point, we can only hope it gets a snip so we can actually get back to discussing the issue sensibly... I for one wouldn't mind seeing some of my previous posts go the way of the dodo if it mean we wound up with a rational discussion at the end of it all.. oh, and my question still hasn't been answered. Can I have your stuff, Mirus? put it on contract maybe? or just reprocess it, sell the ore, and wire me the ISK, I don't mind. ***
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.06 04:00:00 - [63] Originally by: Mirus Crosius FREEEDOM OF SPEECH Mf'ERS! Ok..... I find your tone rather offensive, and I would like you to cease and desist in swearing on a forum. It is stupid and retarded. Why can't you just discuss things, instead of blatantly offending people as if it were an argument against what was being said here? Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing Funny, i'm still here - Petwraith There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy!!!11
Seana Elria E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.06 04:00:00 - [64] Originally by: Mirus Crosius Hey I would love to have the Debate in Realife at a table face to face, im Sure it would go quite differently, its just easier for people to try to act superior in a little white box on a computer screen safe from the reality of what you say. and that is not meant in a threating way its just not how things are handled in realife, but when u are using realife money it then becomes somthing more then just a game. Was nice knowing you, least you made yourself all the more easy to ban by a mod for delving into veiled RL threats. A pity this reflects poorly on the actions of LV members.
Mirus Crosius Caldari adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.06 04:01:00 - [65] Its more Information Warfare then anything else, and I dont care what you think, the power is already given from teh reply weither its good or BAD you know why? because it becomes a topic of discussion and that can really get out of hand quick, and that is the goal here, for it to really all off a sudden fire up and everyone else that might or may have a opinion on it post and see what happens after that who knows its the fact that somone tried, its the people that dont try are the losers, and i paid my dues in real life, in ways many of u could possibly never imagine. and i have better things to do in life, then let a company make me pay to play a game and then there be a chance they can take it all away from me when i did nothing wrong F U C K that.
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.06 04:02:00 - [66] Originally by: ThaMa Gebir Originally by: Mirus Crosius FREEEDOM OF SPEECH Mf'ERS! Ok..... I find your tone rather offensive, and I would like you to cease and desist in swearing on a forum. QFT I cuss like a drill sergeant, and even I'm scandalized... ***
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.06 04:02:00 - [67] By CCP for Termination of the Game CCP does not guarantee that it will continue to offer access to the System or support the Game. CCP may, in its sole discretion, cease to provide any or all of the services offered in connection with EVEÖ (including access to the System and any or all features or components of the Game), terminate the EULA, close all Accounts and cancel all of the rights granted to you under the EULA. CCP may communicate such termination to you upon 30 days notice in any of the following manners: (i) when you log into your Account; (ii) in a notice on CCP's website; (iii) via electronic mail; or (iv) in another manner that CCP deems suitable to inform you of the termination. If CCP terminates the EULA pursuant to this section, you will not receive a refund of prepaid subscription fees. That's section 6A of the EULA.... saying that CCP can just stop providing total service of Eve whenever they feel like it... so that about 50K people's accounts will just be gone with no refund... meaning if you looked through the EULA hard enough a GM could probably ban you because he doesn't like your character portrait and you will get no refund and can't do anything... the GMs are and are probably at you.
Mirus Crosius Caldari adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.06 04:03:00 - [68] LV has nothing to do with it, its people in general and how dare you point the finger at them, that is wrong and you know it. u wanna point fingers POINT at me, not at my allanice tag peon
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.06 04:05:00 - [69] Originally by: Mirus Crosius .....i have better things to do in life, then let a company make me pay to play a game and then there be a chance they can take it all away from me when i did nothing wrong F U C K that. I can't remember anyone MAKING you play the game, or is your situation somewhat different to everyone elses and your life depends on Eve somehow, I can see that your sanity is already gone, however I am sure Eve or CCP was not the reason. Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing Funny, i'm still here - Petwraith There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy!!!11
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.06 04:06:00 - [70] Originally by: Mirus Crosius LV has nothing to do with it, its people in general and how dare you point the finger at them, that is wrong and you know it. u wanna point fingers POINT at me, not at my allanice tag peon Your actions reflect on your corp and alliance. You are dragging them down with your juvenile behaviour.
Seana Elria E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.06 04:06:00 - [71] Originally by: Mirus Crosius LV has nothing to do with it, its people in general and how dare you point the finger at them, that is wrong and you know it. u wanna point fingers POINT at me, not at my allanice tag peon You, being a member of said alliance, act as a respresentative of LV by virtue of being one of them. As such any action you take reflects on the alliance as a whole to an uninformed outside party with nothing else to compare to. So if you go out and make yourself look like an ass, well its going to affect people's perceptions of your alliance whether you intend to/care about or not. I was simply commenting to that effect, which it appears you missed entirely.
Mirus Crosius Caldari adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.06 04:08:00 - [72] and you pay to play somthing like that LOL you just proved the point, THROW UR MONEY AWAY :) with no recorse or response LMFAO great idea, thats a nice way of saying Hey F U C K You we don't give a F U C K bout you or your money, Ur Banned lol O7
Dominator9987 Minmatar adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.06 04:08:00 - [73] just so you get a chance to make a correllation; then let a company make me pay to play a game and then there be a chance they can take it all away from me when i did nothing wrong
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.06 04:09:00 - [74] Edited by: Stitcher on 06/02/2007 04:06:11 Originally by: Seana Elria You, being a member of said alliance, act as a respresentative of LV by virtue of being one of them. As such any action you take reflects on the alliance as a whole to an uninformed outside party with nothing else to compare to. So if you go out and make yourself look like an ass, well its going to affect people's perceptions of your alliance whether you intend to/care about or not. I was simply commenting to that effect, which it appears you missed entirely. well, to be fair, he's only been with them for 15 days... and I do tend to ask that the actions of one person not be taken as reflecting on the whole. I'm pretty sure it's only a matter of time before someone from LV comes in here and condemn his behaviour after all. Let's not get carried away. Requesting that LV not be tarnished by his actions is the one point he's raised that I actually agree with. ***
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.06 04:10:00 - [75] Oh I give up, this guy is just braindead. Hope you enjoy Eve and if not, well just join the lag reducing crowd and leave, btw can I have your stuff if you do leave? Actually, no, why should I want it? Your bad attitude probably rubbed off on it all. Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing Funny, i'm still here - Petwraith There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy!!!11

Kaemonn Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.02.06 04:10:00 - [76] Please do not discuss Bans/GM actions on the forums. forum rules \| [email protected]\| Eve-CCG

Trillian Mcmillan Cry Me A River Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.06 04:11:00 - [77] So long as this thread is so alive... And you seem to be ignoring just about every forum (and otherwise) rule... Would it be possible to say exactly what happened? "My friends got banned while fueling poses prior to an attack becouse they were friends of someone who got banned"... care to expand on that?

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