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Arkoth 24
Phayder
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Posted - 2016.03.01 08:56:11 -
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Just because someone should make it already.
I DO NOT expect CCP to put EVElopedia back online. I DO NOT think this thread will change CCP mind and force 'em to cancel EVElopedia shutdown. This thread was made to show community's opinion and, probably, to find some other way to bring EVElopedia back to life.
Why?
1. 3rd-party wikias lack on information about New Eden's lore and history.
2. EVElopedia was directly accessable from Help menu and popular among new pilots.
3. EVElopedia was an official resource. 3rd-party wikias may be closed by their owners anytime, access to 'em may be limited, and it's content may not be trusted.
What now?
If someone have enough time and effort, he may be able to make a mirror-site for EVElopedia and community may ask CCP for full EVElopedia dump - if it was not destroyed already.
Take a shot now.
Source:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/evelopedia-shutdown-2016-02-29-09-00/?_ga=1.178812132.1797931384.1448610908
Related threads:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6362441#post6362441
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6370184#post6370184 |
Suzanne Khale
Khale Privateer
6
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Posted - 2016.03.01 09:20:50 -
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Signed |
FIREDASH Visagie
HC-Nightshade
0
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Posted - 2016.03.01 09:23:32 -
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Signed aswell |
Jaantrag
44
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Posted - 2016.03.01 09:27:55 -
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Signed |
Agent 711
State War Academy
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2016.03.01 09:29:12 -
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signed |
Sierra Pell Achassi
Corleone Industries
0
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Posted - 2016.03.01 09:34:00 -
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Signed |
Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
88
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Posted - 2016.03.01 09:45:36 -
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Signed |
Rondont
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.03.01 09:47:09 -
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who cares? so many better dbs around ... really |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1042
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Posted - 2016.03.01 10:04:41 -
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The folks in backstage.eve-inspiracy.com are hard at work using the CCP data dumps to put together a wiki for lore info. Especially the player-created stuff. Go support their efforts instead.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Arkoth 24
Phayder
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Posted - 2016.03.01 10:31:32 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Go support their efforts instead.
Sounds nice, but let's aim for some higher goal: full-working EVElopedia clone.
May be EVElopedia's closure will give it community attention at last. For years we forget 'bout it - just because it was always here and no one gived a drek to it. Now it's gone - and looks like we still need it. |
Ncc 1709
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Phoenix Company Alliance
262
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Posted - 2016.03.01 10:37:56 -
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i noticed one of the devs say he's working for stuff for the new site, but its not online yet... |
Arkoth 24
Phayder
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Posted - 2016.03.01 10:45:01 -
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Ncc 1709 wrote:i noticed one of the devs say he's working for stuff for the new site, but its not online yet...
EVElopedia was nice because it provided information on both EVE mechanics AND lore for new pilots right-here-and-right-now. Some other sites may be good, but i don't think it would be the same thing. |
Aviola von Yodalgut
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2016.03.01 10:51:43 -
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A mirror site is useless unless it'll be kept up-to-date.
If it is kept up-to-date then it'll just become a player run site and there are already a few good ones of those. |
Pandora Bokks
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
53
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Posted - 2016.03.01 10:53:31 -
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I would love to support this.
But if you look at Evelopedia at its last state - it was still good, but totally outdated and misleading in a couple of chapters. While this is ok for a fansite and the playerbase might also accept it with a 'better than nothing' argument, I am sure the developer does not want to have an official wiki with outdated and misleading information. And they obviously do not want to allocate ressources to rewriting or updating it.
So if you want to do something for the community, I would suggest to contribute to already existing fansites. I would bet, e.g. Talvorian would also put DED 1-5 complexes on his site, if someone else does the writing. |
Aleksei Kunitckii
Anonymous Hyena
0
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Posted - 2016.03.01 10:53:54 -
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SIgned |
Arkoth 24
Phayder
77
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Posted - 2016.03.01 10:58:47 -
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Aviola von Yodalgut wrote:A mirror site is useless unless it'll be kept up-to-date.
If it is kept up-to-date then it'll just become a player run site and there are already a few good ones of those.
EVElopedia was outdated in many ways, but it was community's fault only. It was up to players, not to CCP to update wiki with new data.
As about other wikias - i said it already: they are mostly up-to-date and got good explanation on EVE's mechanics for new pilots, but they provide almost no information on lore and history, and they are not officialy approoved. |
Tisiphone Dira
WiNGSPAN Academy for Enterprising Pilots
The WINGSPAN Logo Alliance
663
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Posted - 2016.03.01 11:35:58 -
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Why stop there?! Long as we've got devs working on useless and redundant content, lets get them working on walking in stations as well!
Counter un-sign times infinity. |
Aviola von Yodalgut
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2016.03.01 11:36:09 -
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Arkoth 24 wrote:Aviola von Yodalgut wrote:A mirror site is useless unless it'll be kept up-to-date.
If it is kept up-to-date then it'll just become a player run site and there are already a few good ones of those. EVElopedia was outdated in many ways, but it was community's fault only. It was up to players, not to CCP to update wiki with new data.
As about other wikias - i said it already: they are mostly up-to-date and got good explanation on EVE's mechanics for new pilots, but they provide almost no information on lore and history, and they are not officialy approoved.
In that case other player run sites were more popular, another reason why it could be removed.
Seems to me it's not the information on how things work within the game but the lore you are concerned with.
If CCP doesn't intend to add to the lore then it could be copied and archived, even linked from the main site as it would require no maintenance other than initially moving it. |
Geronimo McVain
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2016.03.01 11:37:45 -
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signed, as a new player found it very helpful |
Aviola von Yodalgut
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2016.03.01 11:52:12 -
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From what the guy says in this thread
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=471658&find=unread post #13
It sounds like the lore will still be accessible.
So your petition is pointless. |
Arkoth 24
Phayder
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Posted - 2016.03.01 13:06:35 -
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Tisiphone Dira wrote:Why stop there?! Long as we've got devs working on useless and redundant content, lets get them working on walking in stations as well!
You're blind. Totally.
"Lore is useless, WiS is useless, gimme more crap to grind!!" - i heard dat bullshit thousand times. Lore makes world of EVE interesting for newcommers and RP-freaks. WiS is a new base for interaction among capsuleers, which also makes New Eden to be not only raw mechanics and mindless "search-and-destroy" thing.
New Eden needs to be a world out of pod, not some sort of cooperative butt-kickin'. At least for those, who's not r-¦t-¦rd-¦d.
Aviola von Yodalgut wrote:
And as i answered there - i doubt it will be so easily accessible as on wiki engine. It would probably be one more "lore-which-no-one-read" site, not some short and easily gained right from NeoCom information. |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
290
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Posted - 2016.03.01 13:13:00 -
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Signed
@lunettelulu7
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Kaivar Lancer
Garoun Investment Bank
895
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Posted - 2016.03.01 15:08:20 -
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It makes me wonder why players prefer to update player-run wikis rather than the official one. Is there something specific about CCP that deterred players from updating the official wiki?
Anyway, an official wiki would be nice. Simply because it's a sign of professionalism. |
Molpadia Devaux
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2016.03.01 15:26:51 -
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With no game manuals, it is incumbent upon CCP to have an in game link to the RULES that govern the Eve universe. Lore, fittings guides etc. might be handled well by 3rd party sites. But CCP is obliged to provide players with the official rules. Imagine a pirate or goon site giving you the "official" rules of engagement. |
Tisiphone Dira
WiNGSPAN Academy for Enterprising Pilots
The WINGSPAN Logo Alliance
663
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Posted - 2016.03.01 15:35:48 -
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Arkoth 24 wrote:
WiS is a new base for interaction among capsuleers,
Citation needed.
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Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
1723
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Posted - 2016.03.01 15:55:43 -
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All of the current information on the Eve wiki was dumped and can be downloaded from the news article. Community sites are already up which host the data contained in the dump:
https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/evelopedia/index.php/Main_Page
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
6020
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Posted - 2016.03.01 16:58:43 -
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Its Steve Ronuken's work.
My vote was not wasted. 
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
71
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Posted - 2016.03.01 17:00:21 -
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I can't sign on against the closure of something that I felt had limited use in its current form. I might sign on against the timing of it, I think it still has use and its replacement(s) aren't fully functional yet. Closing something before it's truly redundant isn't the smartest thing to do unless there is another serious set of pressures driving it.
Newbie help, in so far as getting to know the basic concepts and working the game properly, should be IN-GAME as far as I'm concerned. I haven't seen this in-game help enough other than to start up a new toon and at that point it's really not done well.
What the game needs for help is actual video, either animated or live action (which would be fun to get some fans together and shoot with some props and such), that goes over the various concepts and forces you into simulations that show how things work. The game is super complex and the videos only need to cover the basics, but that's what it should have. I've seen some of the stuff they are doing now and it's not as far along as I'd have hoped.
The videos can be supplemented by an official library reference that details exactly how to do all the functions of the game but leaves the theory-crafting out of it (which can be confusing to a beginner as they don't understand the ramifications of it) which most 3rd party libraries include. Cross linking stable 3rd party resources is also a good idea for those that are ready to dive into theory-crafting.
So, I can see why CCP is dropping the resource, just not happy with the timing. The replacement needs to be fully operational first. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
6020
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Posted - 2016.03.01 17:05:28 -
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https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/evelopedia/index.php/Sacred_Flesh
Its good to see that back.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Skeleton Crew.
216
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Posted - 2016.03.01 17:27:25 -
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i was thinking about hosting it so ill try do it i have a eve site im working on so it should fit in. ive downloaded the database so watch this space. |
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