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DTee The Huns	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:04:00 - [211] Edited by: DTee on 12/02/2007 23:00:58 Good fights gentlemen. I look forward to plenty more. welsh wizard can you stop stalking me please? What have I done that you hunt me across the universe... I promise I will give the sheep back.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:09:00 - [212] Originally by: Befounder Originally by: Molotka I would love to have you living under our banner or even as members of Ka-Tet. over our dead-frozen-cloned bodies! We don't turn back on our friends, however old they are. Keep bringing it, we sure will keep blowing them up. Nooooo, don't mention frozen bodies. If Konk hears of this....you don't want to know what he does with them. /me shudders On a more serious note, fighting has been mucho fun, and this night the lag was pretty good for me. Still lost 2 ships, but thats because I am crazy. -------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft.
Turin Caldari RONA Deepspace Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:21:00 - [213] Originally by: Fetrik Snubbe Might have been just me. But looked that you had a damn fine tank Turin. As much as i'm enjoying all these fights i just want to add i never wanted a outpost in the first place. One way or the other i am looking forward to the day we're out of the tight leash we are on now. Then the real fun begins. 80% or better resists across the board, and 320k worth of shields = takes a beating. :) and of course the shield repper with the 45% boost amp. Thanks though! ________________________________________________________
Turin Caldari RONA Deepspace Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:22:00 - [214] Originally by: Stamm Originally by: Turin As your main target last night, ( thankfully I still have my dread ) id just like to say thank you for the few gray hairs!!! There is nothing more intimidating than seeing a 50 man fleet with a swarm of fighters, and a big ass swarm of tacklers coming your way, all targeting you at once. My heart skipped a couple and I was like "uh... I think im primary" Kudos to my fleet for keeping them off me. It might surprise you to hear Turin, that you sounded completely and utterly calm. I was expecting at least some OMFGWTFBBQ THEYRE NOSSING ME GET THEM OFF! But your bottle didn't crash, despite having 2bil+ ISK sitting in space getting blasted :) Eh, if they had gotten it, it wouldnt be the first cap ship Iv lost. :) I dont get rattled to easily. ________________________________________________________
Armois Delgato FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:35:00 - [215] The correct answer on the name for your NAP Bloc is "New Regions Coalition" or NRC. It is short, to the point, and works. It also makes my blood boil, so it does its job.
Gunship Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:35:00 - [216] It's all about trust. We trust in our friends, you trust in yours. Nothing wrong here. But look at it this way, did we go in and try to take over another Alliance space? No, we slaved away in the only area of space not yet taken. For a PvP Alliance building an outpost was quite an undertaking as I'm sure even the industrial players among you would appreciate. Yes we have been roaming in Ka-tet and X-pact at times, but only for ônormalö fleet engagements. POS wars are not my love for eve. I can't blame the enemy to blob up thats unfortunately the only way eve is playing right now and thats down to CCP to possible solve, not you or me. We had put forward a simple and strait forward proposal, you stay in your space, we will stay out of yours. We claim one constellation, not even a region, although we do need to be able to fly to empire and back etc. I have had nice convos with KA-TET leaders, told them that above and also we are not a staging ground for some mass assault. This has been a friendly thread and respectful too, and I hope it stays that way, but at the end of the day what you are doing to us by continuing to drag more and more Alliances and people to the fight is hardly nice or a fair fight or a ôgfö. Yes we are not giving up and it would be a lot cheaper for you (and us) if you just build your own outpost in the constellation next door. At the end of the day it's a question of trusting our/my word. Friendship is something that comes over time, not by a flick of a switch. So you want to join us?
Helen STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:41:00 - [217] But I like your outpost Gunship. Most of us attacking you know how hard it is to put a outpost up, however I get the impression were it not for the DICE office you would of been left alone. I dunno to be honest heck I only came because Virt offered cookies, actually thats a point where the hell are my cookies!
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:30:00 - [218] Quote: Originally by: Molotka -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would love to have you living under our banner or even as members of Ka-Tet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- over our dead-frozen-cloned bodies! We don't turn back on our friends, however old they are. Keep bringing it, we sure will keep blowing them up. This is exactly why the war is going on. if dice or lv had come to fatal saying "hey guys we need to attack {enemy a} let us use your op as a staging ground" the above quote shows what the answer would be. no one thinks that you are lv/dice slaves..but you are their friends and as such would allow them to stage from your op. Which is obviously a security risk for those living in the new regions for the following reason 1) enemy a could be one of the alliances living in the new regions 2) enemy a could be a close ally to one of the alliances living in the new regions 3) it would bring the war to the new regions. and it is this reason which has lead us down this road. Many of us have had less than pleasurable dealings with both lv and dice...and dont want to have a possible staging ground next door, you can say that it wouldnt of happned but the answers your guys have posted here showed that if a request was made...it would of been a very real threat. But having said that FATAL so far have been among the best enemies i have seen in the past 26 months, and it would of been a honour, no matter how unlikley it is to happen to fly with them. Anyhow having said that im glad this will be a drawn out war as im working nights for the next 6 days :D (and i personaly welcome any fatal dude who wants to make life hard for our caerbears in the months to come) RAM is recruiting
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:42:00 - [219] Originally by: shivan Originally by: Molotka Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean your right you dont understand what im sayin. the justification ive heard for this fight was the fact that we didnt nap with the entire region and we have mates in a bob corp plus we left lv and may still be friendly with them. Just a clarification, since there seems to be some misunderstandings about this. The problem wasn't that you weren't NAP'd with the rest of the region, nor was it the fact you have mates in BoB or were former LV. XPact and FREGE continue to pew pew each other, and we don't care. Both RAM and AWM fought with LV before forming Ka-Tet. AWM was with BoB in the begining, working with them in Tenal and Branch during the GNW. AWM even has former It had to do entirely with geopolitical development, and those former points were a factor. First things first. FATAL has ties with DICE, are friends with them, had their alliance formed with them, and flew in combat gangs with them. Unfortunately, DICE are part of BoB, and there was no way for us to guarantee that you wouldn't allow DICE or the rest of BoB to base out of your station. That presented a maor strategic liability - it would allow BoB to hit RA from the rear into Cache, or push north into D2/IRON space. Either one would bring that war to our doorstep, which we didn't want. Secondly was your association with LV. AWM fought with LV while we were part of KOS, and based on our experiences then there was no way we wanted the main LV corporations to have a home out in the new Kali regions. FATAL we knew, and you have since confirmed by your actions, are stand up guys who just like to blow stuff up. Other LV corps have far different aims, ones that we don't want to have any part of. Once again, letting LV have an escape route into the Kali regions would bring that war to our doorstep, which we didn't want. Based on those two things, we decided that unless FATAL was going to break ties with DICE and LV - something we considered unlikely at best - there was a good chance that DICE/BOB/LV would be able to use FATAL's facilities in the future. We therefore decided to put that outpost under new management, which would be less likely to present as hospitable a home for those elements. Personally speaking, I think that FATAL is an incredible corporation, and I would love to have you living under our banner or even as members of Ka-Tet. But leaving you with an outpost that we can't control the access to is simply an unacceptable risk from a strategic point of view, and thus we come to the present war. That pretty much hits the nail on the head on why we went to war. i think the nial your trying to hit is the wrong one if bob or lv decided to come here we may have let them use the station but if history is to be our guide both of these alliances could swallow us whole without notice and if they wanted an outpost they would hardly break a sweat tacking one from anybody in this region with or without our help. i honestly belive and have had reports that you guys have put yourself on the map as a full aliance (even if not on paper) as these mamouth pvp alliances are concerned by attacking a smallish alliance that has absolutly no interest in pos war fare what so ever. lets face it and i mean no disrespect you had to bring in all or at least a lot of your nap alliance to handle us and just to freely admit that its to in some way inconveniance bob against ra may have woken the sleeping dragon (or at least the dragon that was focused on a differant area) i am still looking forwards to more pew pew with you guys and i do agree that your pvp has improved somwhat at least in the smaller engagments we have. but id say that you have still a bit to go if you want to be in the sort of class that you will be facing in the future. remember numbers did'nt help ascn when faced with a lesses numbered but more skilled pvp force
CPU	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:51:00 - [220] sheesh, nutcuprs to the end, ...have a BoDacious cookie.
Virtuozzo eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:53:00 - [221] Folks, it's way less complicated then what I am reading here, my god, complicated = bad, keep it simple. Virtuozzo RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"
Sebo Darrens FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 01:11:00 - [222] Originally by: dantes inferno Quote: Originally by: Molotka -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would love to have you living under our banner or even as members of Ka-Tet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- over our dead-frozen-cloned bodies! We don't turn back on our friends, however old they are. Keep bringing it, we sure will keep blowing them up. This is exactly why the war is going on. if dice or lv had come to fatal saying "hey guys we need to attack {enemy a} let us use your op as a staging ground" the above quote shows what the answer would be. no one thinks that you are lv/dice slaves..but you are their friends and as such would allow them to stage from your op. If this is why you went to war, then you are both paranoid and have a chip on your shoulder.. I just wonder what you guys would have done if we HAD been a BoB or LV shell
Niedar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.13 01:13:00 - [223] Ok, I think needs to be simplified. You have your friends, we have ours. We have respect for you but your not our friends and we are definately not friends with your friends. Why not attack you?
Thoric Frosthammer The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.13 01:27:00 - [224] Originally by: Sebo Darrens If this is why you went to war, then you are both paranoid and have a chip on your shoulder.. I just wonder what you guys would have done if we HAD been a BoB or LV shell I'm sorry, did you say something? I can't hear you over the LV DD firing and the loud music coming from that Dice office~
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 01:30:00 - [225] Originally by: Niedar Ok, I think needs to be simplified. You have your friends, we have ours. We have respect for you but your not our friends and we are definately not friends with your friends. Why not attack you? now that is the best and almost the most honest answer ive heard so far like you loads m8 hope to shoot you soon
gaz widdow Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 01:45:00 - [226] Originally by: Helen But I like your outpost Gunship. Most of us attacking you know how hard it is to put a outpost up, however I get the impression were it not for the DICE office you would of been left alone. This is my 2 cents worth: And no you dont: the grunts know: I dunno to be honest heck I only came because Virt offered cookies, actually thats a point where the hell are my cookies! Come on its the ASCN way they killed Tribal Souls = EASY TARGET Yarr: they swarm ECP- = EASY TARGET Yarr, rubbing shoulders with the big knobs they send there CAP fleet into CJ- when RA are down to the last station YARR = EASY TARGET now FATAL Yarr = EASY TARGET. Id have hoped you gou guys whould have learned but alas no. But hey its the ASCN way, Gl all _ anyways see yer in space Oh and remember ZE NORTHERN SLAUGHTER I think thats how it was pharased on the killboards. FFS: the amount of people that hate ascn could form a corp your no angels the few things I give credit for: You Blew What I say or do does not implicate my corp or allince in anyway. its personal If what ive said offends or is wrong please contact ingame
WhiteSnake Generals Of Destruction Syndicate X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.13 01:49:00 - [227] Originally by: Gunship Yes we have been roaming in Ka-tet and X-pact at times, but only for ônormalö fleet engagements. POS wars are not my love for eve. roaming is a hostile action, and why should we want an alliance 8 jumps away attacking when they are feeling bored? BTW was it your POS you have anchored one jump away from our home system? I dont know what the diplomats will decide, but if we need to remove you becouse of your hostilities, that will be done. Indeed you are fighting hard, having good scores, but it is not about stats. You need to be removed. click
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.13 01:50:00 - [228] Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 13/02/2007 01:46:27 FATAL lost that outpost the moment they refused any plan's put forward to actually attack their attackers. Turtling up in your own system against superior numbers and refusing to engage known staging and logistics points is only going to lose you the war. Originally by: Ice Conch In soviet russia, soap drops you!
Sebo Darrens FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 02:02:00 - [229] Originally by: Niedar Ok, I think needs to be simplified. You have your friends, we have ours. We have respect for you but your not our friends and we are definately not friends with your friends. Why not attack you? Good! drop the bs and back to pew pew
More Vodka	Posted - 2007.02.13 05:41:00 - [230] Originally by: Sebo Darrens We are Fatal. We aren't BoB, we aren't LV, we aren't a shell or dummy entity. Whatever reasoning or excuse you come up with for attacking us, we are not them. You know what you've brought to kill us, and you know the brunt of the resistance you've met with has been Fatal. Admit that you came just to kill Fatal, which is fine - just don't delude yourselves into thinking this is some greater political maneuver. and smack talk about killboards? it's been a bloody fight for both sides, but the only statistic you win on is loss/volume, with the emphasis on volume Keep the smack out of these forums, and if you've come to kill Fatal then keep at it, but stop pretending you're doing anything else but fighting our alliance with your alliances Sorry for your understandable fustration. All I can say is I wish those fighters had kill mails whats it upto at least 300 or so I'd think. Also as stated, as long as we get our objectives completed ship losses don't count toward much. -Employing faulty logic since Feb 2nd 2007-
Stoli Vodka Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.13 05:56:00 - [231] Originally by: Sebo Darrens We are Fatal. We aren't BoB, we aren't LV, we aren't a shell or dummy entity. Whatever reasoning or excuse you come up with for attacking us, we are not them. You know what you've brought to kill us, and you know the brunt of the resistance you've met with has been Fatal. Admit that you came just to kill Fatal, which is fine - just don't delude yourselves into thinking this is some greater political maneuver. and smack talk about killboards? it's been a bloody fight for both sides, but the only statistic you win on is loss/volume, with the emphasis on volume Keep the smack out of these forums, and if you've come to kill Fatal then keep at it, but stop pretending you're doing anything else but fighting our alliance with your alliances Sorry for your understandable fustration. All I can say is I wish those fighters had kill mails whats it upto at least 300 or so I'd think. Also as stated, as long as we get our objectives completed ship losses don't count toward much. -Employing faulty logic since Feb 2nd 2007-
BobFromMarketing Amarr The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.13 06:28:00 - [232] I for one can honestly say I did not come to kill Fatal. I have not fired a single shot. I have sat in my Cov Ops, and watched people for days on end. Why am I Cov Ops? Because my name begins with a B and I dislike heavy tanks
Rick Thwaites A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.13 07:29:00 - [233] Originally by: BobFromMarketing I for one can honestly say I did not come to kill Fatal. I have not fired a single shot. I have sat in my Cov Ops, and watched people for days on end. Why am I Cov Ops? Because my name begins with a B and I dislike heavy tanks I came for the pew-pew when I was told there was pew-pew to be had. And I have told some of my friends who play EVE about that time you guys warped in right into our fleet at the station. The highlight of my EVE career, right there! = )!. My thought proccess: Reds incoming -> They are getting close... -> Holy **** -> They're on top of us! -> Pew-pew-pew-pew!! Afterwards my palms were sweaty. TY Fatal. = )
Akov Stohs Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 07:52:00 - [234] Glad we could pop so many cherries
Scav Silver Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.13 07:54:00 - [235] walks in here, reads about women playin' in no undies, walks away silently mumblin': "Times have changed.. I feel ol'.." ------------------------------------------------------------- -=Baby Seal Killer=-
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 08:06:00 - [236] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 13/02/2007 01:46:27 FATAL lost that outpost the moment they refused any plan's put forward to actually attack their attackers. Turtling up in your own system against superior numbers and refusing to engage known staging and logistics points is only going to lose you the war. Back seat drivers should STFU. And I hate to break this to you: We have not lost it, we know exactly where it is. F4T4L - Recruitment
Rick Thwaites A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.13 08:37:00 - [237] Originally by: Noluck Ned And I hate to break this to you: We have not lost it, we know exactly where it is. I can attest to this. They do not appear lost when they engage us close range, long range, when they dock for new ships, undock with new ships, etc. Now, if a cloak was implemented for outposts, I think we would all be screwed. --
HatePeace LoveWar Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 09:10:00 - [238] Grr if lag seems to be client side i need to look at upgrading. Giving serious thought to one of these :D
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.13 09:19:00 - [239] Quote: Yes we have been roaming in Ka-tet and X-pact at times, but only for ônormalö fleet engagements. POS wars are not my love for eve. so lets review 1) you got strong ties to enemies of virtualy every one else in the new regions and could be a staging ground for an attack (hell you got a dice office in your op and the titan came to help you) 2) you send raiding parties into the space of your neighbours then you act shocked and suprised when said neighbours dont like this and come to evict you? RAM is recruiting
HatePeace LoveWar Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 09:20:00 - [240] Originally by: dantes inferno Quote: Yes we have been roaming in Ka-tet and X-pact at times, but only for ônormalö fleet engagements. POS wars are not my love for eve. so lets review 1) you got strong ties to enemies of virtualy every one else in the new regions and could be a staging ground for an attack (hell you got a dice office in your op and the titan came to help you) 2) you send raiding parties into the space of your neighbours then you act shocked and suprised when said neighbours dont like this and come to evict you? Only after seeing raiding parties from x-pact, ka-tet, tnt and rule of three prior to us sending anything out. We hit back, not first.

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