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Kaiu Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:18:00 - [91] Originally by: Maya Rkell You are supporting the cheaters, Goonfleet, and their pet hacker. What? These are upstanding dudes. You have it all wrong. ---
Degaal Valen Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:24:00 - [92] Yes, goonswarm's pet hacker, how right you are. The guy who has caused our pilots several hundred isk in fines for failing to comply to security measures, the guy who caused our webmaster to freak out to the point that I had to fill out an in-game form every 7 days for every single account and character I had to get rid of some ridiculous warning text and not get booted from the corp. The guy who tried tricking multiple goons into joining his corp as some sort of social engineering. Yes he's my bestest friend in the entire game. I'm so glad so many people so informed about my alliance are taking the time to pontificate about it because you're all so very spot on.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:29:00 - [93] Edited by: Nez Perces on 10/02/2007 05:28:34 Originally by: Maya Rkell Nez Perces, you're still bitter? Oh please. Unless you ban the players from playing together, BoB would continue. You are supporting the cheaters, Goonfleet, and their pet hacker. Your high horse...isn't. Get over losing to BoB and move on. First off stop trying to muddy the waters by dragging other issues into the main one... lets try and address the BoB issue. Do explain what I am bitter about..... even if I was, I very much doubt you would know towards whom it is my bitterness is reserved or even the reasons why. I like BoB very much.... I think they are a great bunch of guys. But... their organisation is now tainted beyond repair.. and if CCP is not careful so will their's be. If BoB care about the game they will disband. If CCP care about the game they will disband BoB. What will this achieve?.. it will send a clear message. If you are a developer playing within an alliance, and you are found guilty of misconduct, however small, you will have killed that alliance. Yes the BoB players would in all likelyhood join up under a different banner.. having the alliance disbanded though would be a substantial inconvenience.. and would demonstrate that this kind of behaviour by Devs or the alliances they play for will not be tolerated.
Ione Hunt Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:33:00 - [94] Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am Hey, look on the bright side of things guys. Whenever you lose a ship or a whole fleet due to a sabre placed bubble or spike ammo, you can petition First post that makes me laugh today in the CAOD section...except for our wardec post ofc (that was more of a sick evil laugh though). _______________
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:37:00 - [95] Originally by: Nez Perces But... their organisation is now tainted beyond repair.. and if CCP is not careful so will their's be. If BoB care about the game they will disband. If CCP care about the game they will disband BoB. Yes the BoB players would in all likelyhood join up under a different banner.. having the alliance disbanded though would be a substantial inconvenience.. and would demonstrate that this kind of behaviour by Devs or the alliances they play for will not be tolerated. Do you have a fever or something? Several hundred players should have what they worked for torn down because one dev cheated to give his character a saber bpo's and some ammo bpos? Sorry but thats just insane. If this were some evil tinfoil ccp conspiracy they could have just claimed all the BPO's were legit as there are older players with a better collection. Instead they fessed up when they didn't have to.
0August0 Gallente Gooch Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:47:00 - [96] Originally by: Nez Perces Yes the BoB players would in all likelyhood join up under a different banner.. having the alliance disbanded though would be a substantial inconvenience.. and would demonstrate that this kind of behaviour by Devs or the alliances they play for will not be tolerated. So you'd punish players for the actions of a dev? Wow that's fair... And I suppose you also recommend they do this now in the middle of a galactic war too? Why don't you just ask that anyone with BoB in their corp history just be banned from the game? . . . Regards, August
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:47:00 - [97] Originally by: Herculite Several hundred players should have what they worked for torn down because one dev cheated to give his character a saber bpo's and some ammo bpos? Yes........ the misconduct is serious enough to warrant it.. and in the interests of the wellbeing of the game of as a whole it would be a very small price to pay. Its just a game after all... and I do not know what this "work" is that you speak of.....
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:52:00 - [98] Originally by: 0August0 So you'd punish players for the actions of a dev? Wow that's fair... Yes absolutely... what better message to send... If you are a DEV and you help an alliance you are running the risk of destroying said alliance. I cant think of a better way to ensure this never happens again.. however innocent .. the underlying intention.
Therem Harth DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:02:00 - [99] Add IRC (former ASCN corp and ASCN empire training corp, now BoB vassals) EXE (no idea if hired or what) on the BoB/LV side
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:03:00 - [100] Originally by: Maya Rkell Get over losing to BoB and move on. You know thats funny... when did I or any alliance I have been in lose to BoB? I mean lose a war not a fleet battle... None ..... I have never been in an alliance that has lost a war to BoB. So my high horse is just fine thankyou very much... I also have never been in an alliance that has recieved developer help.

mishkof Caldari Emerald Empire	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:09:00 - [101] Sorry but Nez is right. I play this game for the realism. The lack of a god with an easy button in RL is why I am able to make this comparison. Economics, Strategy, force multipliers, firstest with the mostest, infiltrating your enemies intelligence system, it is all there. Until the devs start spawning mother ships, and it starts raining T2 BPO's in certain parts of the universe. That is where you lose me.
Third Down Hard Rock Cafe	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:26:00 - [102] Originally by: Valator Uel Call it "Galactic War I" instead of "EVE War I" (we didn't call it Earth War I - it was World War I) or "World War I" (Doesn't apply lol). Eve Cluster **** ? :)
Comstr Technology Acquisition Collective Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:29:00 - [103] War of Revelations is apt.
Franga Caldari NQX Logistics	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:30:00 - [104] Maya - my goodness. Be quiet. Have you realised that you're about the only one that seems think that BoB are fine and that nothing should be done? And you have this unhealthy addiction to making sure Nez knows that he lost to BoB. Whatever ... I think if he was going to take it on board by now he probably would have. Also - how can you compare Goons (which aren't on my most liked list) to a Dev cheating? So silly. So very, very silly. I'm looking down on you. My high-horse is a clydesdale. His name is Barry. He likes apples and small samplings of hay. Don't you Barry? Don't you? Yes you do! Yes you do! I love Barry. _____________________________ Eldo spanked my sig but I can't be bothered changing it just now.
SSgt Sniper Gallente Zekarus Ltd.	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:32:00 - [105] Originally by: Third Down Originally by: Valator Uel Call it "Galactic War I" instead of "EVE War I" (we didn't call it Earth War I - it was World War I) or "World War I" (Doesn't apply lol). Eve Cluster **** ? :) As my first and only Official Announcement: My Corp has decided to disband and join a corp in the North, with plans to engage BoB. (God help us) It was fun being CEO while it lasted..... The vote was unanimous. Be joining you in fleets together soon D2 and IRON. Good Luck and God give us strength. --------- Representing all the casual gamers happily living in Empire, that want NO PART of your 0.0 annoyances. However, I do not represent my corp. We vote first.
Franga Caldari NQX Logistics	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:32:00 - [106] And just to make sure that I'm on topic ... 'War of the Aliiances and Stuff'. That's my official entry into the competition. Can all the people on the side of D2 set my corp to blue? We wanna go down there and blow up Xelas and BoB and whoever else is on that side. We might find some BPOs appear out of nowhere at a gate. You never know ... _____________________________ Eldo spanked my sig but I can't be bothered changing it just now.
Jimmy Doe Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:33:00 - [107] Lets just call it "The Revelation" or "The War of Southern Aggression" something as such since after all, the revelations patch kicked it all off basically, and it is vitually N vs S here. and just out of curiosity has everyone forgotten the GNW already? would not that be considered a massive war of note worthy efforts? http://www.housedok.com/eve/forum_sig_JD.jpg Limits for signatures are 400x120 pixels and 24,000 bytes. Please fix your signature. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip You look at me and you laugh at the noob, but look at your wallet and see that insurance the SCC just paid you for your loss
0August0 Gallente Gooch Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:34:00 - [108] Originally by: Nez Perces I also have never been in an alliance that has recieved developer help. Then you never have been in an alliance, otherwise there is no way you could know that, any more than the average BoB pilot. CCP is not going to take your advice so forget it. Read Kierons message on the subject. They are not going to punish innocent paying customers for the actions of a Dev. Taking their alliance away in the middle of a war for their 0.0 survival would be just that. . . . Regards, August
Vily Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:35:00 - [109] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: 0August0 So you'd punish players for the actions of a dev? Wow that's fair... Yes absolutely... what better message to send... If you are a DEV and you help an alliance you are running the risk of destroying said alliance. I cant think of a better way to ensure this never happens again.. however innocent .. the underlying intention. But the problem is that it DOESN't work. It has been proved a hundred times by people who study the field. punishment for all does not lead to no more evil happenings. If Mayor X commits acts of corruption the city will feel it and may even be punished. This wont hamper mayor Y from doing the same thing. the ASSSUMPTION is that this was done for ALLIANCE gain. When it was more than likely for PERSONAL gain. It ended up being an alliance benefit when they ended up with his BPO's after he had his characters deleted. -
Tar Kovsky Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:46:00 - [110] It's a bit earlier than expected, but clearly, there can be only one name for this war. T+TALHELLDE-TH

Gobblock Gobbatron's cloning vats	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:47:00 - [111] Originally by: Vadoc Trax Maybe there should be some kind of random generator to name wars. Rehashing the same old titles is boring and unimaginative. I propose "THE BATTLE FOR MECHANICAL ADVANTAGE 5"
Duke Grail Darkblade Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:08:00 - [112] Originally by: Tonkin Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 10/02/2007 03:34:26 Originally by: Herculite If the devs were on BoB's side they would have fixed loggofski months ago. Hmm imagine the tinfoiling if they released a patch for that on Tuesday im wearing mine now I don't read CAOD without mine. Originally by: 0August0 I sometimes wonder what the alliance map will look like if BoB and LV are destroyed? Which of these alliances and grand alliances will be at each others throats in equally vindictive wars of extermination? THere are many people on our side of this war that in the past and hopefully some time in the future will be red. but there are a lot of people with bitter feelings involved in this war. Some are more "anti-bob" others are more "anti-LV". When they are fighting together, it makes it easy for the rest of us to set aside our disputes and work for a common goal. Once that goal is reached... We can go back to running around and **ing on each others doorstep if we really want to. Lets face it... living in 0.0 without red people would suck. Originally by:** Gamesguy Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS Never forget Poland! Didnt Poland get overrun by the Germans and/or the Russians in every war? Guess who we have on our side? Both of you just made me spit beer out my nose onto my keyboard... i propose that you both win the thread. Originally by: Dravin Dread The War of Revelations, all puns intended? This name couldn't be any more fitting, not even if the dev's had scripted it into the storyline of the game... sound of tinfoil crumpling
Jargoon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:21:00 - [113] Originally by: Tar Kovsky It's a bit earlier than expected, but clearly, there can be only one name for this war. T+TALHELLDE-TH I like this man's thinking :)
LiquidSteele Veto. Academy Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:28:00 - [114] Goodluck to everyone involoved, let the nodes be with you Sincerly, LS "Let Them Eat War..."
Cringeley GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:35:00 - [115] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 10/02/2007 05:28:34 If you are a developer playing within an alliance, and you are found guilty of misconduct, however small, you will have killed that alliance. Sounds like a great way for a dev to kill an alliance they don't like. You can't take comprehensive action against the whole playerbase of an alliance like that, not everybody is responsible. Measures should be taken against the exact people who can be proved to have engaged knowingly in cheating/misconduct (including both employees and any players who knowingly received favours from them).
0August0 Gallente Gooch Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:35:00 - [116] Edited by: 0August0 on 10/02/2007 07:33:53 Originally by: Duke Grail THere are many people on our side of this war that in the past and hopefully some time in the future will be red. but there are a lot of people with bitter feelings involved in this war. Some are more "anti-bob" others are more "anti-LV". When they are fighting together, it makes it easy for the rest of us to set aside our disputes and work for a common goal. Once that goal is reached... We can go back to running around and ****ing on each others doorstep if we really want to. Lets face it... living in 0.0 without red people would suck. Oh I agree, and I imagine the smart ones are already positioning themselves to be in the best spot for doing just that when the time comes. That's why i'd like to see who's supposed to get what. It will tell a lot. . . . Regards, August
Fry Fortune Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:42:00 - [117] I propose the name "The Dev Wars" also about the t2 bpo's, guess "bob didn't want them anyway"...
BobFromMarketing Amarr The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:49:00 - [118] Originally by: Troubadour lol, a few crappy T2 blueprints are handed out to a bob member and all of a sudden every single time you lost against them you can blame it on haxploits? Face it, you are losing because they are better then you. There is nothing worse then a bunch of sore losers. Besides, i'm sure if devs were doing stuff like making nodes and players crash in bob's favor, someone at CCP would of noticed by now. Only every single person they kill it seems nowadays comes on the forums to whine about it and call haxploit. Without any proof, STFU. kthx. Ok, let me run a real world example of why people are paranoid now. You're dating a chick, and she goes out all the time but you never give it a second thought because thats your woman and she loves you(or whatever). One day you find out she cheated on you(or the last guy) but decide to stay with her, now all those times when she goes out you dont really trust her anymore, you become paranoid because of an unrelated(yet related) fact. She could just be going out with the girls having a good time and going home no harm no foil. Or she could be getting boinked by some guy thats better looking than you every night of the week. Regardless the chain of trust is broken and at this point its almost impossible for CCP or the imaginary girl to repair with simple words. So the paranoia is really quite standard.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:50:00 - [119] Originally by: BobFromMarketing Originally by: Troubadour lol, a few crappy T2 blueprints are handed out to a bob member and all of a sudden every single time you lost against them you can blame it on haxploits? Face it, you are losing because they are better then you. There is nothing worse then a bunch of sore losers. Besides, i'm sure if devs were doing stuff like making nodes and players crash in bob's favor, someone at CCP would of noticed by now. Only every single person they kill it seems nowadays comes on the forums to whine about it and call haxploit. Without any proof, STFU. kthx. Ok, let me run a real world example of why people are paranoid now. You're dating a chick, and she goes out all the time but you never give it a second thought because thats your woman and she loves you(or whatever). One day you find out she cheated on you(or the last guy) but decide to stay with her, now all those times when she goes out you dont really trust her anymore, you become paranoid because of an unrelated(yet related) fact. She could just be going out with the girls having a good time and going home no harm no foil. Or she could be getting boinked by some guy thats better looking than you every night of the week. Regardless the chain of trust is broken and at this point its almost impossible for CCP or the imaginary girl to repair with simple words. So the paranoia is really quite standard. QFT
Degaal Valen Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:54:00 - [120] Originally by: Nez Perces they should start anew .. they should disband the alliance and start fresh. And if they are not willing to do it.. CCP should do it for them. I'd really take issue with any broad-sweeping action on CCP's part that penalized the innocent along with the guilty. To put it bluntly I felt like I was the victim of something similar at the hands of BoB, blindly labeling all goons a cancer, comparing us to terrorists, etc, and I'd rather not see the same thing done to the innocent amongst them. More importantly I'd be upset at anything that ruined my chance to enjoy an in-game battle with my alliance against another alliance I have felt took things to a personal level unnecessarily last summer. I still remember that stuff said about us last summer by BoB leaders and the hypocracy of comments about goonswarm not caring about the EVE community and being a cancer on it while BoB was receving inside information and T2 BPOs is not lost on me in the slightest.



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