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David Godfrey D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:14:00 - [61] Dont forget me --------------------------------- Ghey Seal of Approval
Dravin Dread	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:15:00 - [62] Originally by: SolApathy how about War on Devs 1? The War of Revelations, all puns intended?
Vadoc Trax Caldari RABBLE-RABBLE	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:18:00 - [63] Maybe there should be some kind of random generator to name wars. Rehashing the same old titles is boring and unimaginative. -------------------------------------------------- #1. Pillage, THEN burn. #8. Mockery and derision have their place. Usually, it's on the far side of the airlock.
Baddias Mongo Caldari Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:23:00 - [64] Listen carefully and you can almost hear the knives being sharpened for BoD.
Tonkin Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:27:00 - [65] Originally by: CreEDLom Edited by: CreEDLom on 10/02/2007 02:05:03 OK guys can we get a idea of who is on what sides? So far I have. . . RA TCF GoonSwarm IAC CA AAA D2 IRON MM Razor Pandemic Legion SMASH Alliance KOS CLS TNT Prime Orbital Systems -VS- BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS CCP you forget CCP on BOB's side
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:29:00 - [66] Originally by: Tonkin Originally by: CreEDLom Edited by: CreEDLom on 10/02/2007 02:05:03 OK guys can we get a idea of who is on what sides? So far I have. . . RA TCF GoonSwarm IAC CA AAA D2 IRON MM Razor Pandemic Legion SMASH Alliance KOS CLS TNT Prime Orbital Systems -VS- BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS CCP you forget CCP on BOB's side If the devs were on BoB's side they would have fixed loggofski months ago.
Tonkin Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:32:00 - [67] Originally by: Herculite Originally by: Tonkin Originally by: CreEDLom Edited by: CreEDLom on 10/02/2007 02:05:03 OK guys can we get a idea of who is on what sides? So far I have. . . RA TCF GoonSwarm IAC CA AAA D2 IRON MM Razor Pandemic Legion SMASH Alliance KOS CLS TNT Prime Orbital Systems -VS- BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS CCP you forget CCP on BOB's side If the devs were on BoB's side they would have fixed loggofski months ago. we will see mate what will happen. atm everbody hates bob for the c------g (i dont want to be snipped) even fix members where like wtf and a bet some people in bob where like wtf and i bet some mebers have left there bob corps due to dishoner
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:38:00 - [68] Originally by: Dravin Dread The War of Revelations, all puns intended? Yep, this name covers it all. Signed.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:38:00 - [69] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 10/02/2007 03:34:26 Originally by: Herculite If the devs were on BoB's side they would have fixed loggofski months ago. Hmm imagine the tinfoiling if they released a patch for that on Tuesday ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Tonkin Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:39:00 - [70] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 10/02/2007 03:34:26 Originally by: Herculite If the devs were on BoB's side they would have fixed loggofski months ago. Hmm imagine the tinfoiling if they released a patch for that on Tuesday im wearing mine now

Victor Merren The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:50:00 - [71] I do not post much in this forum. As the game card said, after posting I feel unclean and feel the urge to take a shower - and I already had my shower for this month. Anyway, to my all important and completely original post. I am really intrigued by how this war will pan out for the side fighting Bob. I fought against Bob in two different corps during the ASCN war and I can tell you two things from the grunt's perspective: 1. Bob pilots fight very well and are by and large a nice bunch of people, even in local. DC cannot help himself but even he is polite in his own way. 2. Nodes crash very often and when you log in, Bob already has a gate camp set up, not just pilots in local. There are no friendlies. You will all be in a queue somewhere while Bob sets up tacklers and snipers waiting for you to spawn one at a time. 3. Unexplained or barely explainable things happen to your assets and POSes that Bob are assaulting. Thus, Bob pilots can fight very well and odd things happen impacting on your overall war effort when you fight Bob that make their pilots seem even more effective. Now we know for sure they had help from the developers. How much of their success could be attributed to that is unknown and it does not take away from the skill of Bob pilots - they are very good and their fleets are very disciplined. However, I do wonder how much ISK and resources they obtained, how much otherwise impossible to obtain intelligence they gained, and how many strategic objectives they achieved through recently uncovered cheating. Thus fighting Bob is like fighting the Matrix. Individuals within Bob are most likely not aware and not concerned with the corruption within, but Bob is rotten to the core and yes, they can despawn you at will, warp you back to the gate camp even if you successfully got away, they can offline your POSes and they can see your fleet movements. So how do you fight this elite band of pilots and the immature band of developers that form Bob? Eve warfare almost requires a third party auditor at this stage. Someone that answers the "Who will oversee the overseer" now that our confidence in CCP's ability for self audit has been shaken. To those that dismiss this problem remember: we pay for Eve, and we already PAID a lot for Eve. Unlike the rational economics dictates, the sunk cost rationale cannot be applied to something with emotional involvement which is what Eve is for us all, thus simply leaving Eve or forgetting about this issue is not possible. Without the third party auditor or some major reassurances from CCP, I unfortunately foresee this war descending into a farce, especially if Bob starts winning. This would be bad for everyone and unfair to those elite Bob band of pilots that are now stuck in the middle of this mess. V.
Zaphod Jones Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:58:00 - [72] Originally by: Victor Merren .... Without the third party auditor or some major reassurances from CCP, I unfortunately foresee this war descending into a farce, especially if Bob starts winning. This would be bad for everyone and unfair to those elite Bob band of pilots that are now stuck in the middle of this mess. V. trouble is DEATH killed the auditors, PTerry said so !
Hellaciouss Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:58:00 - [73] Originally by: Victor Merren I do not post much in this forum. As the game card said, after posting I feel unclean and feel the urge to take a shower - and I already had my shower for this month. Anyway, to my all important and completely original post. I am really intrigued by how this war will pan out for the side fighting Bob. I fought against Bob in two different corps during the ASCN war and I can tell you two things from the grunt's perspective: 1. Bob pilots fight very well and are by and large a nice bunch of people, even in local. DC cannot help himself but even he is polite in his own way. 2. Nodes crash very often and when you log in, Bob already has a gate camp set up, not just pilots in local. There are no friendlies. You will all be in a queue somewhere while Bob sets up tacklers and snipers waiting for you to spawn one at a time. 3. Unexplained or barely explainable things happen to your assets and POSes that Bob are assaulting. Thus, Bob pilots can fight very well and odd things happen impacting on your overall war effort when you fight Bob that make their pilots seem even more effective. Now we know for sure they had help from the developers. How much of their success could be attributed to that is unknown and it does not take away from the skill of Bob pilots - they are very good and their fleets are very disciplined. However, I do wonder how much ISK and resources they obtained, how much otherwise impossible to obtain intelligence they gained, and how many strategic objectives they achieved through recently uncovered cheating. Thus fighting Bob is like fighting the Matrix. Individuals within Bob are most likely not aware and not concerned with the corruption within, but Bob is rotten to the core and yes, they can despawn you at will, warp you back to the gate camp even if you successfully got away, they can offline your POSes and they can see your fleet movements. So how do you fight this elite band of pilots and the immature band of developers that form Bob? Eve warfare almost requires a third party auditor at this stage. Someone that answers the "Who will oversee the overseer" now that our confidence in CCP's ability for self audit has been shaken. To those that dismiss this problem remember: we pay for Eve, and we already PAID a lot for Eve. Unlike the rational economics dictates, the sunk cost rationale cannot be applied to something with emotional involvement which is what Eve is for us all, thus simply leaving Eve or forgetting about this issue is not possible. Without the third party auditor or some major reassurances from CCP, I unfortunately foresee this war descending into a farce, especially if Bob starts winning. This would be bad for everyone and unfair to those elite Bob band of pilots that are now stuck in the middle of this mess. V. Nice post
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:08:00 - [74] So much is to be had. FIX and MC have made their choices. And I look foward to the upcoming fights, and this whole ordeal promises to be one of the largest events in Eve history, and I am damned proud to not only be part of it, but to be part of a group of people that are ready to tackle the "big guy" knowing they may very well have an unfair advantage 8). (place your own conspiracy theory here lol.) WildCat
Knubbins McGee Duck Farts	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:08:00 - [75] /puts on tinfoil hat The best thing for CCP and BoB would be for BoB to be resoundingly defeated and let things blow over. As long as BoB is a sisable power in 0.0 this whole "Band of Developers" thing will never go away. So BoB knowingly picks a fight right before everything goes public while they are aware that once the allegations are admitted as true than all of EVE will line up to fight them. BoB takes a dive (not that they could realistically be expected to find off nearly every major 0.0 alliance) to "take one for the game" so we can all move forward. Knowing CCP they'll probably reward BoB leaders with 12 month GTCs.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:14:00 - [76] After reading about the allegations concerning BoB and CCP, I have the belief that the following should happen. No CCP employee should lose their job over this. But..... BoB as an alliance should be officially disbanded by CCP. .. it seems CCP are unwilling to do this... Therefore every entity in the game should make it their personal business to eliminate BoB from the game. .. if the EVE community is unwilling to do this.... You should all unplug your keyboards and find some other game to play because this one is broken. Thankyou for reading.
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:17:00 - [77] lol, a few crappy T2 blueprints are handed out to a bob member and all of a sudden every single time you lost against them you can blame it on haxploits? Face it, you are losing because they are better then you. There is nothing worse then a bunch of sore losers. Besides, i'm sure if devs were doing stuff like making nodes and players crash in bob's favor, someone at CCP would of noticed by now. Only every single person they kill it seems nowadays comes on the forums to whine about it and call haxploit. Without any proof, STFU. kthx.
Siliya AirHawk Alliance Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:27:00 - [78] Edited by: Siliya on 10/02/2007 04:24:04 well now that theres been confirmed Dev help to BoB (not only w/ BPO's but stratigic advice) ... I think its prolly warrented
BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:35:00 - [79] Hey, look on the bright side of things guys. Whenever you lose a ship or a whole fleet due to a sabre placed bubble or spike ammo, you can petition Originally by: Eloryan Persago, Goonfleet I welcome you to the coalition of people with user access to EvE
0August0 Gallente Gooch Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:40:00 - [80] Originally by: Valator Uel Call it "Galactic War I" instead of "EVE War I" (we didn't call it Earth War I - it was World War I) or "World War I" (Doesn't apply lol). It wasn't called World War One until World War Two got started. They called it "The Great War" or "The World War", no number, but then again why would they, as they figured it was "the war to end all wars" and we here in Eve know that ain't gonna happen! Right? I sometimes wonder what the alliance map will look like if BoB and LV are destroyed? Which of these alliances and grand alliances will be at each others throats in equally vindictive wars of extermination? The coalition must have worked out each member alliances cut of space will be if they are successful. Now theres a map i'd like to see leaked... . . . Regards, August

Soryn Kael The Sanctum	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:42:00 - [81] I think that a lot of people, especially in BoB are underestimating what this means. Basically it means that absolutely no accomplishment that BoB has made will ever be taken at face value ever again. There will always be that question of whether they had illicit help. They're the Rafael Palmeiro of alliances now. Every single thing they've done or ever will do is now destined to be nothing more than a footnote of shame.
Gallente Caliente Anti-BoB Flash Mob	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:51:00 - [82] I think everything has been boiling for a loooong time, and now its just finally come to a head. People in EVE are just tired of BoB for a variety of reasons. Maybe they fought against them in a previous alliance, maybe they are fighting now. Maybe they want a small slice of 0.0 and they see that BoB has had so much of it for so long. And then of course there's the recent development. I'm here to say that if any of you want to make a difference, but can't due to your own corporation/alliance politics, then join up. Its only a day and a half of diverted training for what'll possibly be months and months of pure PVP fun. See you on the field. ----------------------------------------------- www.nobob.info
0August0 Gallente Gooch Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:51:00 - [83] Originally by: Soryn Kael I think that a lot of people, especially in BoB are underestimating what this means. Basically it means that absolutely no accomplishment that BoB has made will ever be taken at face value ever again. There will always be that question of whether they had illicit help. They're the Rafael Palmeiro of alliances now. Every single thing they've done or ever will do is now destined to be nothing more than a footnote of shame. At least a percentage of Eve will see it that way. To be fair CCP ought to publish the corp histories of every one of their people who plays or has played the game and let the community itself decide who got helped or didn't. . . . Regards, August
buggerme 3	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:54:00 - [84] Just wondering if a member of the CCP team would like to comment on the stuff being said in this thread about BOB being BOD and the help BOB have received, will receive if we all believe what has been written here?
Vasili Z Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:00:00 - [85] You guys act like the only reason BoB has space is because devs gave it to them. -- Whatever I said I said while drunk and doesn't reflect my alliance or corporation's views.
Phelaen Under the Wings of Fury Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:00:00 - [86] universe war I just had to start on my day of inactivity... we need a phone list made so next time somebody informs me of all this :P Your sig exceeds 24,000 bytes. Please resize it so that it is under that amount. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
LordChaos Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:01:00 - [87] any of u remeber the post from Diana "What if we win eve" i think he made the post about 1 year or more ago. :) u guys figure out the rest The Master Of Chaos Celes Celes KB
Jonis Sinmaker Valiant Logistics Inc. Black Flag Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:02:00 - [88] I haven't posted in almost six months on these forums. Reading the scandal and hearing all the alligations I agree that CCP needs to make a big stand on this. For them not to is the same as them condoning it. Everything BoB claims to have accomplished is nothing. Whether they accomplished it on their own or not it no longer matters because no matter how many great things you do you will always be remembered for the one bad thing you did. Corruption within the BoB alliance linked to GM's...wow. The sad thing is this isn't the first time this has happened...just the first time there is proof...anyone remember the stain / curse war.....I know I do and this looks very familiar indeed. -------- Semper Fi, Jonis Sinmaker
LordMordred The Short Bus Squad	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:13:00 - [89] I would have to say this is infact Eve War II if anything. SA vs CA then all the third parties involed, was EVE War I, and really set the stage for everything happening right now. That is just my humble opinion however. -----
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:16:00 - [90] Nez Perces, you're still bitter? Oh please. Unless you ban the players from playing together, BoB would continue. You are supporting the cheaters, Goonfleet, and their pet hacker. Your high horse...isn't. Get over losing to BoB and move on. //Maya



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