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CreEDLom DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:49:00 - [1] Edited by: CreEDLom on 10/02/2007 00:54:43 OK guys can we get a idea of who is on what sides? So far I have. . . RA TCF GoonSwarm IAC CA AAA D2 IRON MM Razor Pandemic Legion SMASH Alliance KOS -VS- BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV
The Matari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:49:00 - [2] You may not post in this forum without having your corporation or alliance ticker showing- Tirg Members of NPC corporations may not post in this forum - Tirg
Rail Duke SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:50:00 - [3] TCF GoonSwarm IAC CA AAA D2 IRON MM Razor -VS- BoD MC FIX RISE Xelas Fixed ------------- GM in goonspace, hmmm?
Jake Noble Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:50:00 - [4] Edited by: Jake Noble on 10/02/2007 00:47:01 Maybe we should call it a world war lol? The size and number of people involved appears to be growing hourly. Oh my Rail Duke arent you so very witty...
lljkDeathscythe	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:51:00 - [5] where is RA? durr
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:51:00 - [6] I hope FIX won't get involved in this.
mishkof Caldari Emerald Empire	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:51:00 - [7] Did you forget LV on purpose?
merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:52:00 - [8] Edited by: merc999 on 10/02/2007 00:48:21 Originally by: Rail Duke TCF GoonSwarm IAC CA AAA D2 IRON MM Razor Pandemic legion -VS- BoD MC FIX RISE Xelas LV Fixed Slaps Rail Duke
Boceifus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:52:00 - [9] KOS is having fun with the goons lately, and Snigg just threw their hat in as well.
Liu Kaskakka PAK	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:52:00 - [10] Edited by: Liu Kaskakka on 10/02/2007 00:51:37 Originally by: Rail Duke BoD Devkoku, Devolution, Devstructive Influence, GMC and TAISDP? King Liu is RIGHT!!

Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:53:00 - [11] Go BoB! No, I don't like BoB (and they don't like me). I don't like the Goons more. //Maya
Tasuric Orka Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:54:00 - [12] Don't forget SMASH up there with the bees. :) Originally by: Deja Thoris The dead horse has now been flogged into puree.
rgreat Gallente OEG	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:54:00 - [13] Originally by: lljkDeathscythe where is RA? durr RA is dead(tm). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Don't worry. I struck you with the back of the sword. Oh, sorry. This sword's double-bladed.
Tellamon Nomallet	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:56:00 - [14] Edited by: Tellamon Nomallet on 10/02/2007 00:52:31
The StrayDawg GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Boceifus KOS is having fun with the goons lately, and Snigg just threw their hat in as well. KOS does need to be added too
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:57:00 - [16] I see a... Vision... World War II Germany vs all the world... happening again...
Eleese Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:58:00 - [17] Also got the 2 merc alliance attacking fix. gekidoku's allaince plus mordus angels think they called.
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:59:00 - [18] Originally by: rgreat Originally by: lljkDeathscythe where is RA? durr RA is dead(tm). ohhh, I remember that one ! lol ! :) HI LV \o/ you done "winning all the major fleet battles" yet? - BH
merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.10 01:00:00 - [19] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=473440 Celestial Horizon corps also seem to want to shoot at BoD for some reason
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.02.10 01:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Bural dont forget to add CCP and ISD to BOB side It's not funny when a system starts lagging and crashing all of a sudden when only 100 bob jump into a system and you can't log back in :( Especially when just seconds before your jump in you had perfect stable game with 0 lag with 200 friendlies in local :D now that's fckd up - BH

Szprinkoth Sponsz ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.10 01:04:00 - [21] BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS Never forget Poland!
Imode Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.10 01:08:00 - [22] Originally by: Rennard I hope FIX won't get involved in this. Guilty by association in the eyes of the community. _________________________________
Velsharoon Gallente The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.02.10 01:09:00 - [23] Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS Never forget Poland!
FowlPlayChiken Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.10 01:09:00 - [24] Edited by: FowlPlayChiken on 10/02/2007 01:08:29 mc are involved unless you get us involved afaik. do remove us from the list till you do:-d we are happily on contract on the other side of the galaxy. lol /me activates t2 tinfoil hat hardeners Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
Bural PPN United Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.10 01:12:00 - [25] Originally by: FowlPlayChiken mc are involved unless you get us involved afaik. do remove us from the list till you do:-d we are happily on contract on the other side of the galaxy. lol psl do the same like Selenee.. logoff...
Virtuality Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 01:12:00 - [26] Originally by: FowlPlayChiken mc are involved unless you get us involved afaik. do remove us from the list till you do:-d we are happily on contract on the other side of the galaxy. lol Nobody buys that anymore I don't think.
CreEDLom DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 01:13:00 - [27] BoB hired you. When the contract is up I will be more than happy to Remove MC.
Shinji Seto Minmatar Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.10 01:13:00 - [28] Hehehe man this is gonna be fun "Outlaw" This was the name given to those who roam the universe with only his freedom as his guide.
Stahlregen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 01:16:00 - [29] Originally by: CreEDLom BoB hired you. When the contract is up I will be more than happy to Remove MC. Off the list or off the face of the galaxy?
Valator Uel Caldari Pax Minor Asylum Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.02.10 01:24:00 - [30] Call it "Galactic War I" instead of "EVE War I" (we didn't call it Earth War I - it was World War I) or "World War I" (Doesn't apply lol). Anyways, haven't there been wars of this size before? -----------------------------------------------------

SolApathy Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.02.10 01:25:00 - [31] how about War on Devs 1? and erm, all those players and no TNT just to get the fire going :P yeah baby u know where we stand pew pew to bob Play with TNT and things explode!
CreEDLom DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 01:32:00 - [32] Originally by: Valator Uel Call it "Galactic War I" instead of "EVE War I" (we didn't call it Earth War I - it was World War I) or "World War I" (Doesn't apply lol). Anyways, haven't there been wars of this size before? Hey Guys I am not the deciding factor on what we want to call this Huge war. Lets just get sides down so we don't have friendly fire.
Mordrake MetaForge Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.10 01:40:00 - [33] Originally by: Falryx Slight off topic -- and perhaps requiring another thread. But surely we can come up with a better name than EVE War I or World War I or something.. Giant Space Kablooie? (credit to Calvin & Hobbes). Just imagine, "Well, yes kiddies.. I remember the days of the GSK.. that is, the Giant Space Kablooie. Boy did the excrement hit the fan there..." "The Cleansing" comes to mind ; ] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=473415 "Arte et Marte"
HydroSan GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 01:40:00 - [34] Edited by: HydroSan on 10/02/2007 01:37:08 Every single alliance and military power in EVE is at war right now. We don't know how long this war will last, or what the outcome will be. We need to be careful of not jumping the gun and giving it a name when the real fighting and epic battles haven't even started yet. I don't think there is any other game where war is entirely constant. And thats why EVE is so great. Also, D2, I lost a ton of ships to you guys back when I was a month-old newbie in XZH-4X, but XZH was also one of the best times I had in any game ever. You guys were worthy f'ing adversaries, and I hope you give BoB hell in Fountain and Querious.
Enders Vaal SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.10 01:41:00 - [35] How about 'The Reconquista' ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista --- "You are without doubt the worst pirate I've ever heard of." "...but you have heard of me."
Myz Toyou the Organ Grinder and Company Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.02.10 01:42:00 - [36] Originally by: Liu Kaskakka Edited by: Liu Kaskakka on 10/02/2007 00:51:37 Originally by: Rail Duke BoD Devkoku, Devolution, Devstructive Influence, GMC and TAISDP? You Sir won eve today CYVOK > All you station jockies better get out their and start killing these idiots
Lunarra Paradox v2.0 Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.02.10 01:44:00 - [37] I'll tell my minmatar offsprings: Yes, i remember that day when BOB cried for peace. TNT is in!
CreEDLom DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 01:44:00 - [38] Originally by: Enders Vaal How about 'The Reconquista' ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista Bud in this "PC" world we live in that would totally ** off a ** ton of people.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 01:48:00 - [39] Edited by: Shin Ra on 10/02/2007 01:44:07 Lets not forget to thank Anthony Z for being the catalyst behind all of this.
Myz Toyou the Organ Grinder and Company Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.02.10 01:49:00 - [40] Originally by: Lunarra I'll tell my minmatar offsprings: Yes, i remember that day when BOB cried for peace. TNT is in! We in ? Awsum news CYVOK > All you station jockies better get out their and start killing these idiots

Skrypt Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.10 01:51:00 - [41] MC: "We're neutral, thanks for the invite though." Axis of Evil: "Screw you. #@$%#$^~!!!" Meh. I wouldn't mind seeing some MC 'round the area. :) I <3 Max T. ---------- "I know. I know you can fight. But it's our wits that make us men." ~ Malcom Wallace (Braveheart)
Susan Acid Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.10 01:53:00 - [42] Gods Of Night And Day[GONADS]and Intrepid Crossing[IRc]are renting ASCN stations in Feyth.What about Confederation Of Red Moon[CORM]Are they 'in' with BoB?
PirateShampoo UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.10 01:55:00 - [43] Edited by: PirateShampoo on 10/02/2007 01:52:54 Edited by: PirateShampoo on 10/02/2007 01:52:36 Quote: It's not funny when a system starts lagging and crashing all of a sudden when only 100 bob jump into a system and you can't log back in :( Especially when just seconds before your jump in you had perfect stable game with 0 lag with 200 friendlies in local :D now that's fckd up Actually the lag was caused by LV jumping 200 into system the same time you and BoB did, as it happens you jumped into BoB's gate while everyone was lagged out and you died pretty quickly. So sorry, lag ftl (in your case).
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.10 02:00:00 - [44] Dammit, I just moved all my stuff back north. Ahh well. Small price to pay for pew pew.
Borgholio Minmatar Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.02.10 02:07:00 - [45] Originally by: CreEDLom Edited by: CreEDLom on 10/02/2007 01:42:37 OK guys can we get a idea of who is on what sides? So far I have. . . RA TCF GoonSwarm IAC CA AAA D2 IRON MM Razor Pandemic Legion SMASH Alliance KOS CLS TNT -VS- BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS Add Prime Orbital Systems to the RA / Goonswarm side. We're still here, we're still very much alive, and we're itching for some payback. ----------------------------------- You will be assimilated...bunghole!
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.10 02:07:00 - [46] Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS Never forget Poland! so much for being neutral eh?
Deva Blackfire Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.10 02:13:00 - [47] Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS Never forget Poland! Sorry - some of us are on other side of barricade :)
arkarsk Provenance.	Posted - 2007.02.10 02:14:00 - [48] Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz Never forget Poland! If in the future you could avoid sullying the name of my native country by using it in tandem with your alliance, I'd appreciate it! ----------------- http://www.eve-provenance.com
Gallente Caliente Gallente Anti-BoB Flash Mob	Posted - 2007.02.10 02:16:00 - [49] This is as good a time as any, we are still ramping up but we hate to not catch this wave. Anyone that wants in on the action but can't for political reasons, sign up now. http://www.nobob.info Let's roll.
SirPolle Gallente Band of Developers	Posted - 2007.02.10 02:27:00 - [50] Originally by: Rail Duke TCF GoonSwarm IAC CA AAA D2 IRON MM Razor -VS- BoD MC FIX RISE Xelas Fixed Oh no! We've been discovered! Good thing I have this t2 rapetrain bpo.

Gamesguy Amarr E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.10 02:30:00 - [51] Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS Never forget Poland! Didnt Poland get overrun by the Germans and/or the Russians in every war? Guess who we have on our side?
Chirinako Caldari Legionari Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.10 02:32:00 - [52] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS Never forget Poland! Didnt Poland get overrun by the Germans and/or the Russians in every war? Guess who we have on our side? lol'd irl
Cattraknoff Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.10 02:32:00 - [53] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS Never forget Poland! Didnt Poland get overrun by the Germans and/or the Russians in every war? Guess who we have on our side? Wow, I just realised the germans, the russians, AND the french are all on the same side This is my new signature.... wewt.
Padrean Wolfenrecon	Posted - 2007.02.10 02:36:00 - [54] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS Never forget Poland! Didnt Poland get overrun by the Germans and/or the Russians in every war? Guess who we have on our side? First to fight. Sold as slaves for Russification by our "allies" (Yalta). Over 1000 years, Poland has had worse. Bring it on. I seriously hope you die in a fire for bringing this up.
Vodka Neat Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.10 02:39:00 - [55] They originally called WWI "The Great War" because they didn't know they would have to number them later. Just FYI. -Why don't the NPC pilots have pods?-
Inquis Eisenhorn Viziam	Posted - 2007.02.10 02:58:00 - [56] TCF -VS- prvtr GoonSwarm -vs- PRVTR IAC -VS- PRVTR CA -VS- PRVTR AAA -VS- PRVTR D2 -VS- PRVTR IRON -VS- PRVTR MM -VS- PRVTR Razor -VS- PRVTR -VS- -VS- PRVTR BoD -VS- PRVTR MC -VS PRVTR FIX -VS-PRVTR RISE -VS- PRVTR Xelas -VS- PRVTR Sorry, couldnt resist. lasers, how crude, give me an armored prow and a nova cannon any day. [center]The emperor is the master o
Siliya AirHawk Alliance Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:06:00 - [57] just want to Make sure I Understand this Setup BoB Attacks RA Goon & friends 6 or so hours ago the Dev Scandle goes down BoB Becomes Targeted by most of the Server just making sure I understand this.... was that the case or was this a Strike of oppurtunity
Marvel Master Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:08:00 - [58] This could be the first world war in eve. ;-) Every big alliance is in war mode now. The time will show, what will happen. Perhaps the bob cheaters (DN event team [Tribute], tech II bpos for 0 isk, GM transfer of money, region upgrade, event informations 4 month before the event, .... ) will leave this universe. Hehe. Marvel
Rudy Metallo Minmatar G.H.O.S.T	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:11:00 - [59] I think It's safe to say that it's BoB and friends vs. Rest of PvPing EVE.
CaptainButts GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:12:00 - [60] How about we just cut to the point and call it the "A*sholes Getting Their Teeth Kicked In" War I? ___________________________________________ http://xs109.xs.to/xs109/06466/ghostridin.gif Sig removed, lacks game related content. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -Pirlouit

David Godfrey D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:14:00 - [61] Dont forget me --------------------------------- Ghey Seal of Approval
Dravin Dread	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:15:00 - [62] Originally by: SolApathy how about War on Devs 1? The War of Revelations, all puns intended?
Vadoc Trax Caldari RABBLE-RABBLE	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:18:00 - [63] Maybe there should be some kind of random generator to name wars. Rehashing the same old titles is boring and unimaginative. -------------------------------------------------- #1. Pillage, THEN burn. #8. Mockery and derision have their place. Usually, it's on the far side of the airlock.
Baddias Mongo Caldari Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:23:00 - [64] Listen carefully and you can almost hear the knives being sharpened for BoD.
Tonkin Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:27:00 - [65] Originally by: CreEDLom Edited by: CreEDLom on 10/02/2007 02:05:03 OK guys can we get a idea of who is on what sides? So far I have. . . RA TCF GoonSwarm IAC CA AAA D2 IRON MM Razor Pandemic Legion SMASH Alliance KOS CLS TNT Prime Orbital Systems -VS- BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS CCP you forget CCP on BOB's side
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:29:00 - [66] Originally by: Tonkin Originally by: CreEDLom Edited by: CreEDLom on 10/02/2007 02:05:03 OK guys can we get a idea of who is on what sides? So far I have. . . RA TCF GoonSwarm IAC CA AAA D2 IRON MM Razor Pandemic Legion SMASH Alliance KOS CLS TNT Prime Orbital Systems -VS- BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS CCP you forget CCP on BOB's side If the devs were on BoB's side they would have fixed loggofski months ago.
Tonkin Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:32:00 - [67] Originally by: Herculite Originally by: Tonkin Originally by: CreEDLom Edited by: CreEDLom on 10/02/2007 02:05:03 OK guys can we get a idea of who is on what sides? So far I have. . . RA TCF GoonSwarm IAC CA AAA D2 IRON MM Razor Pandemic Legion SMASH Alliance KOS CLS TNT Prime Orbital Systems -VS- BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS CCP you forget CCP on BOB's side If the devs were on BoB's side they would have fixed loggofski months ago. we will see mate what will happen. atm everbody hates bob for the c------g (i dont want to be snipped) even fix members where like wtf and a bet some people in bob where like wtf and i bet some mebers have left there bob corps due to dishoner
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:38:00 - [68] Originally by: Dravin Dread The War of Revelations, all puns intended? Yep, this name covers it all. Signed.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:38:00 - [69] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 10/02/2007 03:34:26 Originally by: Herculite If the devs were on BoB's side they would have fixed loggofski months ago. Hmm imagine the tinfoiling if they released a patch for that on Tuesday ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Tonkin Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:39:00 - [70] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 10/02/2007 03:34:26 Originally by: Herculite If the devs were on BoB's side they would have fixed loggofski months ago. Hmm imagine the tinfoiling if they released a patch for that on Tuesday im wearing mine now

Victor Merren The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:50:00 - [71] I do not post much in this forum. As the game card said, after posting I feel unclean and feel the urge to take a shower - and I already had my shower for this month. Anyway, to my all important and completely original post. I am really intrigued by how this war will pan out for the side fighting Bob. I fought against Bob in two different corps during the ASCN war and I can tell you two things from the grunt's perspective: 1. Bob pilots fight very well and are by and large a nice bunch of people, even in local. DC cannot help himself but even he is polite in his own way. 2. Nodes crash very often and when you log in, Bob already has a gate camp set up, not just pilots in local. There are no friendlies. You will all be in a queue somewhere while Bob sets up tacklers and snipers waiting for you to spawn one at a time. 3. Unexplained or barely explainable things happen to your assets and POSes that Bob are assaulting. Thus, Bob pilots can fight very well and odd things happen impacting on your overall war effort when you fight Bob that make their pilots seem even more effective. Now we know for sure they had help from the developers. How much of their success could be attributed to that is unknown and it does not take away from the skill of Bob pilots - they are very good and their fleets are very disciplined. However, I do wonder how much ISK and resources they obtained, how much otherwise impossible to obtain intelligence they gained, and how many strategic objectives they achieved through recently uncovered cheating. Thus fighting Bob is like fighting the Matrix. Individuals within Bob are most likely not aware and not concerned with the corruption within, but Bob is rotten to the core and yes, they can despawn you at will, warp you back to the gate camp even if you successfully got away, they can offline your POSes and they can see your fleet movements. So how do you fight this elite band of pilots and the immature band of developers that form Bob? Eve warfare almost requires a third party auditor at this stage. Someone that answers the "Who will oversee the overseer" now that our confidence in CCP's ability for self audit has been shaken. To those that dismiss this problem remember: we pay for Eve, and we already PAID a lot for Eve. Unlike the rational economics dictates, the sunk cost rationale cannot be applied to something with emotional involvement which is what Eve is for us all, thus simply leaving Eve or forgetting about this issue is not possible. Without the third party auditor or some major reassurances from CCP, I unfortunately foresee this war descending into a farce, especially if Bob starts winning. This would be bad for everyone and unfair to those elite Bob band of pilots that are now stuck in the middle of this mess. V.
Zaphod Jones Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:58:00 - [72] Originally by: Victor Merren .... Without the third party auditor or some major reassurances from CCP, I unfortunately foresee this war descending into a farce, especially if Bob starts winning. This would be bad for everyone and unfair to those elite Bob band of pilots that are now stuck in the middle of this mess. V. trouble is DEATH killed the auditors, PTerry said so !
Hellaciouss Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:58:00 - [73] Originally by: Victor Merren I do not post much in this forum. As the game card said, after posting I feel unclean and feel the urge to take a shower - and I already had my shower for this month. Anyway, to my all important and completely original post. I am really intrigued by how this war will pan out for the side fighting Bob. I fought against Bob in two different corps during the ASCN war and I can tell you two things from the grunt's perspective: 1. Bob pilots fight very well and are by and large a nice bunch of people, even in local. DC cannot help himself but even he is polite in his own way. 2. Nodes crash very often and when you log in, Bob already has a gate camp set up, not just pilots in local. There are no friendlies. You will all be in a queue somewhere while Bob sets up tacklers and snipers waiting for you to spawn one at a time. 3. Unexplained or barely explainable things happen to your assets and POSes that Bob are assaulting. Thus, Bob pilots can fight very well and odd things happen impacting on your overall war effort when you fight Bob that make their pilots seem even more effective. Now we know for sure they had help from the developers. How much of their success could be attributed to that is unknown and it does not take away from the skill of Bob pilots - they are very good and their fleets are very disciplined. However, I do wonder how much ISK and resources they obtained, how much otherwise impossible to obtain intelligence they gained, and how many strategic objectives they achieved through recently uncovered cheating. Thus fighting Bob is like fighting the Matrix. Individuals within Bob are most likely not aware and not concerned with the corruption within, but Bob is rotten to the core and yes, they can despawn you at will, warp you back to the gate camp even if you successfully got away, they can offline your POSes and they can see your fleet movements. So how do you fight this elite band of pilots and the immature band of developers that form Bob? Eve warfare almost requires a third party auditor at this stage. Someone that answers the "Who will oversee the overseer" now that our confidence in CCP's ability for self audit has been shaken. To those that dismiss this problem remember: we pay for Eve, and we already PAID a lot for Eve. Unlike the rational economics dictates, the sunk cost rationale cannot be applied to something with emotional involvement which is what Eve is for us all, thus simply leaving Eve or forgetting about this issue is not possible. Without the third party auditor or some major reassurances from CCP, I unfortunately foresee this war descending into a farce, especially if Bob starts winning. This would be bad for everyone and unfair to those elite Bob band of pilots that are now stuck in the middle of this mess. V. Nice post
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:08:00 - [74] So much is to be had. FIX and MC have made their choices. And I look foward to the upcoming fights, and this whole ordeal promises to be one of the largest events in Eve history, and I am damned proud to not only be part of it, but to be part of a group of people that are ready to tackle the "big guy" knowing they may very well have an unfair advantage 8). (place your own conspiracy theory here lol.) WildCat
Knubbins McGee Duck Farts	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:08:00 - [75] /puts on tinfoil hat The best thing for CCP and BoB would be for BoB to be resoundingly defeated and let things blow over. As long as BoB is a sisable power in 0.0 this whole "Band of Developers" thing will never go away. So BoB knowingly picks a fight right before everything goes public while they are aware that once the allegations are admitted as true than all of EVE will line up to fight them. BoB takes a dive (not that they could realistically be expected to find off nearly every major 0.0 alliance) to "take one for the game" so we can all move forward. Knowing CCP they'll probably reward BoB leaders with 12 month GTCs.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:14:00 - [76] After reading about the allegations concerning BoB and CCP, I have the belief that the following should happen. No CCP employee should lose their job over this. But..... BoB as an alliance should be officially disbanded by CCP. .. it seems CCP are unwilling to do this... Therefore every entity in the game should make it their personal business to eliminate BoB from the game. .. if the EVE community is unwilling to do this.... You should all unplug your keyboards and find some other game to play because this one is broken. Thankyou for reading.
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:17:00 - [77] lol, a few crappy T2 blueprints are handed out to a bob member and all of a sudden every single time you lost against them you can blame it on haxploits? Face it, you are losing because they are better then you. There is nothing worse then a bunch of sore losers. Besides, i'm sure if devs were doing stuff like making nodes and players crash in bob's favor, someone at CCP would of noticed by now. Only every single person they kill it seems nowadays comes on the forums to whine about it and call haxploit. Without any proof, STFU. kthx.
Siliya AirHawk Alliance Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:27:00 - [78] Edited by: Siliya on 10/02/2007 04:24:04 well now that theres been confirmed Dev help to BoB (not only w/ BPO's but stratigic advice) ... I think its prolly warrented
BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:35:00 - [79] Hey, look on the bright side of things guys. Whenever you lose a ship or a whole fleet due to a sabre placed bubble or spike ammo, you can petition Originally by: Eloryan Persago, Goonfleet I welcome you to the coalition of people with user access to EvE
0August0 Gallente Gooch Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:40:00 - [80] Originally by: Valator Uel Call it "Galactic War I" instead of "EVE War I" (we didn't call it Earth War I - it was World War I) or "World War I" (Doesn't apply lol). It wasn't called World War One until World War Two got started. They called it "The Great War" or "The World War", no number, but then again why would they, as they figured it was "the war to end all wars" and we here in Eve know that ain't gonna happen! Right? I sometimes wonder what the alliance map will look like if BoB and LV are destroyed? Which of these alliances and grand alliances will be at each others throats in equally vindictive wars of extermination? The coalition must have worked out each member alliances cut of space will be if they are successful. Now theres a map i'd like to see leaked... . . . Regards, August

Soryn Kael The Sanctum	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:42:00 - [81] I think that a lot of people, especially in BoB are underestimating what this means. Basically it means that absolutely no accomplishment that BoB has made will ever be taken at face value ever again. There will always be that question of whether they had illicit help. They're the Rafael Palmeiro of alliances now. Every single thing they've done or ever will do is now destined to be nothing more than a footnote of shame.
Gallente Caliente Anti-BoB Flash Mob	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:51:00 - [82] I think everything has been boiling for a loooong time, and now its just finally come to a head. People in EVE are just tired of BoB for a variety of reasons. Maybe they fought against them in a previous alliance, maybe they are fighting now. Maybe they want a small slice of 0.0 and they see that BoB has had so much of it for so long. And then of course there's the recent development. I'm here to say that if any of you want to make a difference, but can't due to your own corporation/alliance politics, then join up. Its only a day and a half of diverted training for what'll possibly be months and months of pure PVP fun. See you on the field. ----------------------------------------------- www.nobob.info
0August0 Gallente Gooch Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:51:00 - [83] Originally by: Soryn Kael I think that a lot of people, especially in BoB are underestimating what this means. Basically it means that absolutely no accomplishment that BoB has made will ever be taken at face value ever again. There will always be that question of whether they had illicit help. They're the Rafael Palmeiro of alliances now. Every single thing they've done or ever will do is now destined to be nothing more than a footnote of shame. At least a percentage of Eve will see it that way. To be fair CCP ought to publish the corp histories of every one of their people who plays or has played the game and let the community itself decide who got helped or didn't. . . . Regards, August
buggerme 3	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:54:00 - [84] Just wondering if a member of the CCP team would like to comment on the stuff being said in this thread about BOB being BOD and the help BOB have received, will receive if we all believe what has been written here?
Vasili Z Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:00:00 - [85] You guys act like the only reason BoB has space is because devs gave it to them. -- Whatever I said I said while drunk and doesn't reflect my alliance or corporation's views.
Phelaen Under the Wings of Fury Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:00:00 - [86] universe war I just had to start on my day of inactivity... we need a phone list made so next time somebody informs me of all this :P Your sig exceeds 24,000 bytes. Please resize it so that it is under that amount. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
LordChaos Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:01:00 - [87] any of u remeber the post from Diana "What if we win eve" i think he made the post about 1 year or more ago. :) u guys figure out the rest The Master Of Chaos Celes Celes KB
Jonis Sinmaker Valiant Logistics Inc. Black Flag Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:02:00 - [88] I haven't posted in almost six months on these forums. Reading the scandal and hearing all the alligations I agree that CCP needs to make a big stand on this. For them not to is the same as them condoning it. Everything BoB claims to have accomplished is nothing. Whether they accomplished it on their own or not it no longer matters because no matter how many great things you do you will always be remembered for the one bad thing you did. Corruption within the BoB alliance linked to GM's...wow. The sad thing is this isn't the first time this has happened...just the first time there is proof...anyone remember the stain / curse war.....I know I do and this looks very familiar indeed. -------- Semper Fi, Jonis Sinmaker
LordMordred The Short Bus Squad	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:13:00 - [89] I would have to say this is infact Eve War II if anything. SA vs CA then all the third parties involed, was EVE War I, and really set the stage for everything happening right now. That is just my humble opinion however. -----
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:16:00 - [90] Nez Perces, you're still bitter? Oh please. Unless you ban the players from playing together, BoB would continue. You are supporting the cheaters, Goonfleet, and their pet hacker. Your high horse...isn't. Get over losing to BoB and move on. //Maya

Kaiu Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:18:00 - [91] Originally by: Maya Rkell You are supporting the cheaters, Goonfleet, and their pet hacker. What? These are upstanding dudes. You have it all wrong. ---
Degaal Valen Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:24:00 - [92] Yes, goonswarm's pet hacker, how right you are. The guy who has caused our pilots several hundred isk in fines for failing to comply to security measures, the guy who caused our webmaster to freak out to the point that I had to fill out an in-game form every 7 days for every single account and character I had to get rid of some ridiculous warning text and not get booted from the corp. The guy who tried tricking multiple goons into joining his corp as some sort of social engineering. Yes he's my bestest friend in the entire game. I'm so glad so many people so informed about my alliance are taking the time to pontificate about it because you're all so very spot on.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:29:00 - [93] Edited by: Nez Perces on 10/02/2007 05:28:34 Originally by: Maya Rkell Nez Perces, you're still bitter? Oh please. Unless you ban the players from playing together, BoB would continue. You are supporting the cheaters, Goonfleet, and their pet hacker. Your high horse...isn't. Get over losing to BoB and move on. First off stop trying to muddy the waters by dragging other issues into the main one... lets try and address the BoB issue. Do explain what I am bitter about..... even if I was, I very much doubt you would know towards whom it is my bitterness is reserved or even the reasons why. I like BoB very much.... I think they are a great bunch of guys. But... their organisation is now tainted beyond repair.. and if CCP is not careful so will their's be. If BoB care about the game they will disband. If CCP care about the game they will disband BoB. What will this achieve?.. it will send a clear message. If you are a developer playing within an alliance, and you are found guilty of misconduct, however small, you will have killed that alliance. Yes the BoB players would in all likelyhood join up under a different banner.. having the alliance disbanded though would be a substantial inconvenience.. and would demonstrate that this kind of behaviour by Devs or the alliances they play for will not be tolerated.
Ione Hunt Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:33:00 - [94] Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am Hey, look on the bright side of things guys. Whenever you lose a ship or a whole fleet due to a sabre placed bubble or spike ammo, you can petition First post that makes me laugh today in the CAOD section...except for our wardec post ofc (that was more of a sick evil laugh though). _______________
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:37:00 - [95] Originally by: Nez Perces But... their organisation is now tainted beyond repair.. and if CCP is not careful so will their's be. If BoB care about the game they will disband. If CCP care about the game they will disband BoB. Yes the BoB players would in all likelyhood join up under a different banner.. having the alliance disbanded though would be a substantial inconvenience.. and would demonstrate that this kind of behaviour by Devs or the alliances they play for will not be tolerated. Do you have a fever or something? Several hundred players should have what they worked for torn down because one dev cheated to give his character a saber bpo's and some ammo bpos? Sorry but thats just insane. If this were some evil tinfoil ccp conspiracy they could have just claimed all the BPO's were legit as there are older players with a better collection. Instead they fessed up when they didn't have to.
0August0 Gallente Gooch Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:47:00 - [96] Originally by: Nez Perces Yes the BoB players would in all likelyhood join up under a different banner.. having the alliance disbanded though would be a substantial inconvenience.. and would demonstrate that this kind of behaviour by Devs or the alliances they play for will not be tolerated. So you'd punish players for the actions of a dev? Wow that's fair... And I suppose you also recommend they do this now in the middle of a galactic war too? Why don't you just ask that anyone with BoB in their corp history just be banned from the game? . . . Regards, August
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:47:00 - [97] Originally by: Herculite Several hundred players should have what they worked for torn down because one dev cheated to give his character a saber bpo's and some ammo bpos? Yes........ the misconduct is serious enough to warrant it.. and in the interests of the wellbeing of the game of as a whole it would be a very small price to pay. Its just a game after all... and I do not know what this "work" is that you speak of.....
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:52:00 - [98] Originally by: 0August0 So you'd punish players for the actions of a dev? Wow that's fair... Yes absolutely... what better message to send... If you are a DEV and you help an alliance you are running the risk of destroying said alliance. I cant think of a better way to ensure this never happens again.. however innocent .. the underlying intention.
Therem Harth DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:02:00 - [99] Add IRC (former ASCN corp and ASCN empire training corp, now BoB vassals) EXE (no idea if hired or what) on the BoB/LV side
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:03:00 - [100] Originally by: Maya Rkell Get over losing to BoB and move on. You know thats funny... when did I or any alliance I have been in lose to BoB? I mean lose a war not a fleet battle... None ..... I have never been in an alliance that has lost a war to BoB. So my high horse is just fine thankyou very much... I also have never been in an alliance that has recieved developer help.

mishkof Caldari Emerald Empire	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:09:00 - [101] Sorry but Nez is right. I play this game for the realism. The lack of a god with an easy button in RL is why I am able to make this comparison. Economics, Strategy, force multipliers, firstest with the mostest, infiltrating your enemies intelligence system, it is all there. Until the devs start spawning mother ships, and it starts raining T2 BPO's in certain parts of the universe. That is where you lose me.
Third Down Hard Rock Cafe	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:26:00 - [102] Originally by: Valator Uel Call it "Galactic War I" instead of "EVE War I" (we didn't call it Earth War I - it was World War I) or "World War I" (Doesn't apply lol). Eve Cluster **** ? :)
Comstr Technology Acquisition Collective Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:29:00 - [103] War of Revelations is apt.
Franga Caldari NQX Logistics	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:30:00 - [104] Maya - my goodness. Be quiet. Have you realised that you're about the only one that seems think that BoB are fine and that nothing should be done? And you have this unhealthy addiction to making sure Nez knows that he lost to BoB. Whatever ... I think if he was going to take it on board by now he probably would have. Also - how can you compare Goons (which aren't on my most liked list) to a Dev cheating? So silly. So very, very silly. I'm looking down on you. My high-horse is a clydesdale. His name is Barry. He likes apples and small samplings of hay. Don't you Barry? Don't you? Yes you do! Yes you do! I love Barry. _____________________________ Eldo spanked my sig but I can't be bothered changing it just now.
SSgt Sniper Gallente Zekarus Ltd.	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:32:00 - [105] Originally by: Third Down Originally by: Valator Uel Call it "Galactic War I" instead of "EVE War I" (we didn't call it Earth War I - it was World War I) or "World War I" (Doesn't apply lol). Eve Cluster **** ? :) As my first and only Official Announcement: My Corp has decided to disband and join a corp in the North, with plans to engage BoB. (God help us) It was fun being CEO while it lasted..... The vote was unanimous. Be joining you in fleets together soon D2 and IRON. Good Luck and God give us strength. --------- Representing all the casual gamers happily living in Empire, that want NO PART of your 0.0 annoyances. However, I do not represent my corp. We vote first.
Franga Caldari NQX Logistics	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:32:00 - [106] And just to make sure that I'm on topic ... 'War of the Aliiances and Stuff'. That's my official entry into the competition. Can all the people on the side of D2 set my corp to blue? We wanna go down there and blow up Xelas and BoB and whoever else is on that side. We might find some BPOs appear out of nowhere at a gate. You never know ... _____________________________ Eldo spanked my sig but I can't be bothered changing it just now.
Jimmy Doe Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:33:00 - [107] Lets just call it "The Revelation" or "The War of Southern Aggression" something as such since after all, the revelations patch kicked it all off basically, and it is vitually N vs S here. and just out of curiosity has everyone forgotten the GNW already? would not that be considered a massive war of note worthy efforts? http://www.housedok.com/eve/forum_sig_JD.jpg Limits for signatures are 400x120 pixels and 24,000 bytes. Please fix your signature. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip You look at me and you laugh at the noob, but look at your wallet and see that insurance the SCC just paid you for your loss
0August0 Gallente Gooch Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:34:00 - [108] Originally by: Nez Perces I also have never been in an alliance that has recieved developer help. Then you never have been in an alliance, otherwise there is no way you could know that, any more than the average BoB pilot. CCP is not going to take your advice so forget it. Read Kierons message on the subject. They are not going to punish innocent paying customers for the actions of a Dev. Taking their alliance away in the middle of a war for their 0.0 survival would be just that. . . . Regards, August
Vily Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:35:00 - [109] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: 0August0 So you'd punish players for the actions of a dev? Wow that's fair... Yes absolutely... what better message to send... If you are a DEV and you help an alliance you are running the risk of destroying said alliance. I cant think of a better way to ensure this never happens again.. however innocent .. the underlying intention. But the problem is that it DOESN't work. It has been proved a hundred times by people who study the field. punishment for all does not lead to no more evil happenings. If Mayor X commits acts of corruption the city will feel it and may even be punished. This wont hamper mayor Y from doing the same thing. the ASSSUMPTION is that this was done for ALLIANCE gain. When it was more than likely for PERSONAL gain. It ended up being an alliance benefit when they ended up with his BPO's after he had his characters deleted. -
Tar Kovsky Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:46:00 - [110] It's a bit earlier than expected, but clearly, there can be only one name for this war. T+TALHELLDE-TH

Gobblock Gobbatron's cloning vats	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:47:00 - [111] Originally by: Vadoc Trax Maybe there should be some kind of random generator to name wars. Rehashing the same old titles is boring and unimaginative. I propose "THE BATTLE FOR MECHANICAL ADVANTAGE 5"
Duke Grail Darkblade Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:08:00 - [112] Originally by: Tonkin Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 10/02/2007 03:34:26 Originally by: Herculite If the devs were on BoB's side they would have fixed loggofski months ago. Hmm imagine the tinfoiling if they released a patch for that on Tuesday im wearing mine now I don't read CAOD without mine. Originally by: 0August0 I sometimes wonder what the alliance map will look like if BoB and LV are destroyed? Which of these alliances and grand alliances will be at each others throats in equally vindictive wars of extermination? THere are many people on our side of this war that in the past and hopefully some time in the future will be red. but there are a lot of people with bitter feelings involved in this war. Some are more "anti-bob" others are more "anti-LV". When they are fighting together, it makes it easy for the rest of us to set aside our disputes and work for a common goal. Once that goal is reached... We can go back to running around and **ing on each others doorstep if we really want to. Lets face it... living in 0.0 without red people would suck. Originally by:** Gamesguy Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS Never forget Poland! Didnt Poland get overrun by the Germans and/or the Russians in every war? Guess who we have on our side? Both of you just made me spit beer out my nose onto my keyboard... i propose that you both win the thread. Originally by: Dravin Dread The War of Revelations, all puns intended? This name couldn't be any more fitting, not even if the dev's had scripted it into the storyline of the game... sound of tinfoil crumpling
Jargoon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:21:00 - [113] Originally by: Tar Kovsky It's a bit earlier than expected, but clearly, there can be only one name for this war. T+TALHELLDE-TH I like this man's thinking :)
LiquidSteele Veto. Academy Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:28:00 - [114] Goodluck to everyone involoved, let the nodes be with you Sincerly, LS "Let Them Eat War..."
Cringeley GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:35:00 - [115] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 10/02/2007 05:28:34 If you are a developer playing within an alliance, and you are found guilty of misconduct, however small, you will have killed that alliance. Sounds like a great way for a dev to kill an alliance they don't like. You can't take comprehensive action against the whole playerbase of an alliance like that, not everybody is responsible. Measures should be taken against the exact people who can be proved to have engaged knowingly in cheating/misconduct (including both employees and any players who knowingly received favours from them).
0August0 Gallente Gooch Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:35:00 - [116] Edited by: 0August0 on 10/02/2007 07:33:53 Originally by: Duke Grail THere are many people on our side of this war that in the past and hopefully some time in the future will be red. but there are a lot of people with bitter feelings involved in this war. Some are more "anti-bob" others are more "anti-LV". When they are fighting together, it makes it easy for the rest of us to set aside our disputes and work for a common goal. Once that goal is reached... We can go back to running around and ****ing on each others doorstep if we really want to. Lets face it... living in 0.0 without red people would suck. Oh I agree, and I imagine the smart ones are already positioning themselves to be in the best spot for doing just that when the time comes. That's why i'd like to see who's supposed to get what. It will tell a lot. . . . Regards, August
Fry Fortune Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:42:00 - [117] I propose the name "The Dev Wars" also about the t2 bpo's, guess "bob didn't want them anyway"...
BobFromMarketing Amarr The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:49:00 - [118] Originally by: Troubadour lol, a few crappy T2 blueprints are handed out to a bob member and all of a sudden every single time you lost against them you can blame it on haxploits? Face it, you are losing because they are better then you. There is nothing worse then a bunch of sore losers. Besides, i'm sure if devs were doing stuff like making nodes and players crash in bob's favor, someone at CCP would of noticed by now. Only every single person they kill it seems nowadays comes on the forums to whine about it and call haxploit. Without any proof, STFU. kthx. Ok, let me run a real world example of why people are paranoid now. You're dating a chick, and she goes out all the time but you never give it a second thought because thats your woman and she loves you(or whatever). One day you find out she cheated on you(or the last guy) but decide to stay with her, now all those times when she goes out you dont really trust her anymore, you become paranoid because of an unrelated(yet related) fact. She could just be going out with the girls having a good time and going home no harm no foil. Or she could be getting boinked by some guy thats better looking than you every night of the week. Regardless the chain of trust is broken and at this point its almost impossible for CCP or the imaginary girl to repair with simple words. So the paranoia is really quite standard.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:50:00 - [119] Originally by: BobFromMarketing Originally by: Troubadour lol, a few crappy T2 blueprints are handed out to a bob member and all of a sudden every single time you lost against them you can blame it on haxploits? Face it, you are losing because they are better then you. There is nothing worse then a bunch of sore losers. Besides, i'm sure if devs were doing stuff like making nodes and players crash in bob's favor, someone at CCP would of noticed by now. Only every single person they kill it seems nowadays comes on the forums to whine about it and call haxploit. Without any proof, STFU. kthx. Ok, let me run a real world example of why people are paranoid now. You're dating a chick, and she goes out all the time but you never give it a second thought because thats your woman and she loves you(or whatever). One day you find out she cheated on you(or the last guy) but decide to stay with her, now all those times when she goes out you dont really trust her anymore, you become paranoid because of an unrelated(yet related) fact. She could just be going out with the girls having a good time and going home no harm no foil. Or she could be getting boinked by some guy thats better looking than you every night of the week. Regardless the chain of trust is broken and at this point its almost impossible for CCP or the imaginary girl to repair with simple words. So the paranoia is really quite standard. QFT
Degaal Valen Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:54:00 - [120] Originally by: Nez Perces they should start anew .. they should disband the alliance and start fresh. And if they are not willing to do it.. CCP should do it for them. I'd really take issue with any broad-sweeping action on CCP's part that penalized the innocent along with the guilty. To put it bluntly I felt like I was the victim of something similar at the hands of BoB, blindly labeling all goons a cancer, comparing us to terrorists, etc, and I'd rather not see the same thing done to the innocent amongst them. More importantly I'd be upset at anything that ruined my chance to enjoy an in-game battle with my alliance against another alliance I have felt took things to a personal level unnecessarily last summer. I still remember that stuff said about us last summer by BoB leaders and the hypocracy of comments about goonswarm not caring about the EVE community and being a cancer on it while BoB was receving inside information and T2 BPOs is not lost on me in the slightest.

Sargonius Minmatar Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:58:00 - [121] Originally by: Victor Merren I do not post much in this forum. As the game card said, after posting I feel unclean and feel the urge to take a shower - and I already had my shower for this month. Anyway, to my all important and completely original post. I am really intrigued by how this war will pan out for the side fighting Bob. I fought against Bob in two different corps during the ASCN war and I can tell you two things from the grunt's perspective: 1. Bob pilots fight very well and are by and large a nice bunch of people, even in local. DC cannot help himself but even he is polite in his own way. 2. Nodes crash very often and when you log in, Bob already has a gate camp set up, not just pilots in local. There are no friendlies. You will all be in a queue somewhere while Bob sets up tacklers and snipers waiting for you to spawn one at a time. 3. Unexplained or barely explainable things happen to your assets and POSes that Bob are assaulting. Thus, Bob pilots can fight very well and odd things happen impacting on your overall war effort when you fight Bob that make their pilots seem even more effective. Now we know for sure they had help from the developers. How much of their success could be attributed to that is unknown and it does not take away from the skill of Bob pilots - they are very good and their fleets are very disciplined. However, I do wonder how much ISK and resources they obtained, how much otherwise impossible to obtain intelligence they gained, and how many strategic objectives they achieved through recently uncovered cheating. Thus fighting Bob is like fighting the Matrix. Individuals within Bob are most likely not aware and not concerned with the corruption within, but Bob is rotten to the core and yes, they can despawn you at will, warp you back to the gate camp even if you successfully got away, they can offline your POSes and they can see your fleet movements. So how do you fight this elite band of pilots and the immature band of developers that form Bob? Eve warfare almost requires a third party auditor at this stage. Someone that answers the "Who will oversee the overseer" now that our confidence in CCP's ability for self audit has been shaken. To those that dismiss this problem remember: we pay for Eve, and we already PAID a lot for Eve. Unlike the rational economics dictates, the sunk cost rationale cannot be applied to something with emotional involvement which is what Eve is for us all, thus simply leaving Eve or forgetting about this issue is not possible. Without the third party auditor or some major reassurances from CCP, I unfortunately foresee this war descending into a farce, especially if Bob starts winning. This would be bad for everyone and unfair to those elite Bob band of pilots that are now stuck in the middle of this mess. V. Meh , thats scary. After only one day of activity, its happening. Laging bad with 150 people only in local. Nodes crash twice and log back in middle of titan , MS and more capital ship ... geting DDed. Disconnection in PoS , connection in middle of fleet And LV claiming all over the forum * we rock we won 6 fleet battles! ...* When only showdown pressing the DD button . Oh well I agree that BoB are good pilot . But for LV ... ahahahha Fun! Thats only the begining Lets have fun and hope for better server stability! Good luck to all involved !
Drunken Cajun F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:04:00 - [122] 1 part of me feels sympathy for the BOB grunt that has no clue about all this. Getting lumped in and by association being branded cheats. The other part wonders why they would remain with a group under that stigma. laissez les bon temps rouler
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:04:00 - [123] Edited by: Nez Perces on 10/02/2007 08:01:53 Originally by: Degaal Valen I'd really take issue with any broad-sweeping action on CCP's part that penalized the innocent along with the guilty. To put it bluntly I felt like I was the victim of something similar at the hands of BoB, blindly labeling all goons a cancer, comparing us to terrorists, etc, and I'd rather not see the same thing done to the innocent amongst them. More importantly I'd be upset at anything that ruined my chance to enjoy an in-game battle with my alliance against another alliance I have felt took things to a personal level unnecessarily last summer. I still remember that stuff said about us last summer by BoB leaders and the hypocracy of comments about goonswarm not caring about the EVE community and being a cancer on it while BoB was receving inside information and T2 BPOs is not lost on me in the slightest. Yes looking back the irony is strong is it not... BoB did their holy crusade against Goons on the very pretext that they had overstepped the boundaries of what is acceptable within EVE. Well.... whaddya know huh.... However there is a crucial difference... Goons can be accused of poor taste.. but they cannot be accused of looking the other way in the face of developer collusion. In my books the accusations BoB is faced with are far worse... they attack the very point of playing a fiercely competitive pvp game like EVE where even the smallest advantage can have a ripple effect with unforseen consequences. And IMO some big sweeping punishment from CCP should be forthcoming.. if for no other reason than to protect the meritocracy inherent in the EVE system.. where through collective effort things can be achieved and competitiveness on an alliance scale is not determined by whether you have devs onboard or not. Cause if EVE is not a true meritocracy.. I don't wanna be here. We got enough of that crap in RL.
Daedal Virtu Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:12:00 - [124] I'm surprised to find FLA is not listed with the rest, then again we do fly under the radar a fair bit. Ill also not TRI was only anti BoB while they were in the north... dunno what they are going to do now. But considering they attacked us with 8 carriers today im gonna guess that they aren't so friendly. FLA One http://fla.killerspace.com/forum/ <No tree's were harmed during this transmission. However, a great number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced>
NereSky Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:14:00 - [125] Edited by: NereSky on 10/02/2007 08:10:52 Originally by: Vasili Z You guys act like the only reason BoB has space is because devs gave it to them. No Bod got their space i believe , but they definately got tucked in , had a bedtime story read to them while thier space was seeded with nice new toys turning a very nice piece of real estate to a plush one. edited for spelling mistakes
Admentus Cor'vion Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:15:00 - [126] Originally by: Tar Kovsky It's a bit earlier than expected, but clearly, there can be only one name for this war. T+TALHELLDE-TH Winnar! Blah, I'll fix the durn sig when I feel like it.
Ferocious FeAr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:25:00 - [127] Originally by: BobFromMarketing Originally by: Troubadour lol, a few crappy T2 blueprints are handed out to a bob member and all of a sudden every single time you lost against them you can blame it on haxploits? Face it, you are losing because they are better then you. There is nothing worse then a bunch of sore losers. Besides, i'm sure if devs were doing stuff like making nodes and players crash in bob's favor, someone at CCP would of noticed by now. Only every single person they kill it seems nowadays comes on the forums to whine about it and call haxploit. Without any proof, STFU. kthx. Ok, let me run a real world example of why people are paranoid now. You're dating a chick, and she goes out all the time but you never give it a second thought because thats your woman and she loves you(or whatever). One day you find out she cheated on you(or the last guy) but decide to stay with her, now all those times when she goes out you dont really trust her anymore, you become paranoid because of an unrelated(yet related) fact. She could just be going out with the girls having a good time and going home no harm no foil. Or she could be getting boinked by some guy thats better looking than you every night of the week. Regardless the chain of trust is broken and at this point its almost impossible for CCP or the imaginary girl to repair with simple words. So the paranoia is really quite standard. It's called go find another girlfriend and stop being insecure about yourself. Sorry dude but that's a bad example. Troubadour makes a valid point, you all know that if BoB comes out on top, there will be excuses for why they won. Honestly, if you feel that insecure about a video game you should really re-evaluate your life. This is a game, I'm sure those who were involved will be dealt with. There is no reason for a whole alliance to be branded as 'cheaters'. Don't hate me, learn to love me
solarwinds ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:25:00 - [128] My pick was simply "Everyone vs. Everyone Else" or "HOLY F@#$ING SH!T"!!! To hell with neutrality!
Dracolich North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:33:00 - [129] Originally by: Nez Perces All the stuff Nez has mentioned in this thread I understand where you are going, but I think someone has put a purple pill into your morning coffee. If the allegations hold true(still an if), whatever that will be done is beyond repair. Disbanding BoB? They will just make a new one, and continue where they left off. Secondly, I don't know to what extend the devs have helped BoB with(if at all, other than being normal members). Nonetheless, still 99.99% of what Bob has accomplished, they have done by being ballsy - and having great non-dev leadership. Much like other great(in more than one sense) alliances like RA. I don't really care much for discussing what CCP should do, if the allegations hold true, I believe they are more capable of doing so, than any player. Everyone is of cause entitled to their views and may even vent them without intervention of the moderators - but to think the playerbase can enforce CCP to do certain things, is ignorent and naive at best.
Wormeyes Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:39:00 - [130] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 10/02/2007 05:28:34 Originally by: Maya Rkell Nez Perces, you're still bitter? Oh please. Unless you ban the players from playing together, BoB would continue. You are supporting the cheaters, Goonfleet, and their pet hacker. Your high horse...isn't. Get over losing to BoB and move on. First off stop trying to muddy the waters by dragging other issues into the main one... lets try and address the BoB issue. Do explain what I am bitter about..... even if I was, I very much doubt you would know towards whom it is my bitterness is reserved or even the reasons why. I like BoB very much.... I think they are a great bunch of guys. But... their organisation is now tainted beyond repair.. and if CCP is not careful so will their's be. If BoB care about the game they will disband. If CCP care about the game they will disband BoB. What will this achieve?.. it will send a clear message. If you are a developer playing within an alliance, and you are found guilty of misconduct, however small, you will have killed that alliance. Yes the BoB players would in all likelyhood join up under a different banner.. having the alliance disbanded though would be a substantial inconvenience.. and would demonstrate that this kind of behaviour by Devs or the alliances they play for will not be tolerated. Nez, as disheartening the recent events have been, I don't think this is the answer. BOB has many enemies and for them to be able to say "We were so damn good CCP had to disband us in order for us to actually lose" would be even worse. Not to mention it would set a precedent that CCP could disband your alliance for anything they see as "misconduct." Granted, the events that have taken place are complete and utter bull** but I don't think that is a road CCP should go down. I think the proper course is taking place as we speak. ** the playerbase off enough to disassemble BOB themselves.

Hennry Fromer Gallente TRSG Research	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:46:00 - [131] Although the list of alliance allied or NAP'ed is impressive and will blot the stars from any system they traverse, I will bet the server wins and sends everyone to desktop.
Linavin Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:51:00 - [132] I'd call it the 'Tinfoil War' myself... ---
BobFromMarketing Amarr The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.10 09:00:00 - [133] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Originally by: BobFromMarketing Originally by: Troubadour lol, a few crappy T2 blueprints are handed out to a bob member and all of a sudden every single time you lost against them you can blame it on haxploits? Face it, you are losing because they are better then you. There is nothing worse then a bunch of sore losers. Besides, i'm sure if devs were doing stuff like making nodes and players crash in bob's favor, someone at CCP would of noticed by now. Only every single person they kill it seems nowadays comes on the forums to whine about it and call haxploit. Without any proof, STFU. kthx. Ok, let me run a real world example of why people are paranoid now. You're dating a chick, and she goes out all the time but you never give it a second thought because thats your woman and she loves you(or whatever). One day you find out she cheated on you(or the last guy) but decide to stay with her, now all those times when she goes out you dont really trust her anymore, you become paranoid because of an unrelated(yet related) fact. She could just be going out with the girls having a good time and going home no harm no foil. Or she could be getting boinked by some guy thats better looking than you every night of the week. Regardless the chain of trust is broken and at this point its almost impossible for CCP or the imaginary girl to repair with simple words. So the paranoia is really quite standard. It's called go find another girlfriend and stop being insecure about yourself. Sorry dude but that's a bad example. Troubadour makes a valid point, you all know that if BoB comes out on top, there will be excuses for why they won. Honestly, if you feel that insecure about a video game you should really re-evaluate your life. This is a game, I'm sure those who were involved will be dealt with. There is no reason for a whole alliance to be branded as 'cheaters'. I know the majority of the playerbase doesn't have english as a first language, but for God's if you're going to ignore the whole argument and say what you wanted to say before you opened the thread don't quote my statement to do it. Learn to man up and stand on your own two legs. Also im not saying the paranoia isnt overblow, im saying its justified because we are all human, and that's a prime example of how paranoia is spawned in the human mind. Now go troll elsewhere. PS. If you'll look real closely I even covered the "Just leave her" thing for nitwits like you
Hennry Fromer Gallente TRSG Research	Posted - 2007.02.10 09:13:00 - [134] Originally by: BobFromMarketing PS. If you'll look real closely I even covered the "Just leave her" thing for nitwits like you You forgot the hire a mercenary to take her out option - oddly that works in either sence of "take her out".
BobFromMarketing Amarr The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.10 09:15:00 - [135] Originally by: Hennry Fromer Originally by: BobFromMarketing PS. If you'll look real closely I even covered the "Just leave her" thing for nitwits like you You forgot the hire a mercenary to take her out option - oddly that works in either sence of "take her out". Now that's funny.
Khirzan Wolfson The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.02.10 09:17:00 - [136] dont bring the whole t20 thing into BoB's soon to be whoopin with LV against "us" because for some time now, bob has lost its friends...however I dont care about BoB......I care about chowdown's titan popping, and LV losing all their stations...especially the one's that KOS helped put up. I will enjoy living there...yes. The views are wonderous.....harr harr harr harr -Khirzan Wolfson Co-Ceo,The Taining Corp
LynxArd UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.10 09:28:00 - [137] thx all im having fun, at work now so cant be there but wow what a night of mass killing, im only a grunt so no titan for me i have to do it the old fashioned way, takeing a tau ceti gate camp in 9-9 while being out numbered as group jumps really gets the blood flowing :) GF all :) this is what we want, hate shouldnt be in the "game" just this "fun" suck it up ignore the crap and enjoy the rush.
Agillious Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.02.10 09:37:00 - [138] Originally by: BobFromMarketing Originally by: Troubadour lol, a few crappy T2 blueprints are handed out to a bob member and all of a sudden every single time you lost against them you can blame it on haxploits? Face it, you are losing because they are better then you. There is nothing worse then a bunch of sore losers. Besides, i'm sure if devs were doing stuff like making nodes and players crash in bob's favor, someone at CCP would of noticed by now. Only every single person they kill it seems nowadays comes on the forums to whine about it and call haxploit. Without any proof, STFU. kthx. Ok, let me run a real world example of why people are paranoid now. You're dating a chick, and she goes out all the time but you never give it a second thought because thats your woman and she loves you(or whatever). One day you find out she cheated on you(or the last guy) but decide to stay with her, now all those times when she goes out you dont really trust her anymore, you become paranoid because of an unrelated(yet related) fact. She could just be going out with the girls having a good time and going home no harm no foil. Or she could be getting boinked by some guy thats better looking than you every night of the week. Regardless the chain of trust is broken and at this point its almost impossible for CCP or the imaginary girl to repair with simple words. So the paranoia is really quite standard. Except you fell in love with a *****, Bob. CCP was never anyone's GF, so the analogy fails. not like it matters, this post'll be deleted since i'm not in a corp anymore. MORE SHINY, PLEASE!!!
Ferocious FeAr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.10 09:41:00 - [139] Apparently I'm a trolling 'nitwit' because I seem to use logic. Hey, whatever makes you sleep better at night buddy. You can never have a decent conversation with anyone without them being defensive or resulting in verbally attacking ones intelligence. I know how paranoia works, you haven't discovered anything new here. It's the context on how you used it was wrong. I would explain but from what I've seen from you so far is that you don't know how to react when someone tries to comment on your statements. You can reply, it doesn't matter anymore, I'm done. These forums make me sick. Don't hate me, learn to love me
Third Down Hard Rock Cafe	Posted - 2007.02.10 09:45:00 - [140] Originally by: Nez Perces If you are a developer playing within an alliance, and you are found guilty of misconduct, however small, you will have killed that alliance. What if they were a really small developer?

Don Yokushi Kudzu Collective	Posted - 2007.02.10 10:20:00 - [141] Stop demanding CCP to disband BoB. Disbanding them yourself would be much more fun, no? Allow the War of Revelations to go on. It'll be fun to watch if not take part in.
Lagkills Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2007.02.10 10:21:00 - [142] Edited by: Lagkills on 10/02/2007 10:20:37 Stop whining about BoB & CCP .. stay in topic pls ^^
Itzena Amarr OtakuDyne Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.10 10:25:00 - [143] Edited by: Itzena on 10/02/2007 10:22:18 Edited by: Itzena on 10/02/2007 10:21:36 Originally by: Degaal Valen I'd really take issue with any broad-sweeping action on CCP's part that penalized the innocent along with the guilty. To put it bluntly I felt like I was the victim of something similar at the hands of BoB, blindly labeling all goons a cancer, comparing us to terrorists, etc, and I'd rather not see the same thing done to the innocent amongst them. More importantly I'd be upset at anything that ruined my chance to enjoy an in-game battle with my alliance against another alliance I have felt took things to a personal level unnecessarily last summer. I still remember that stuff said about us last summer by BoB leaders and the hypocracy of comments about goonswarm not caring about the EVE community and being a cancer on it while BoB was receving inside information and T2 BPOs is not lost on me in the slightest. Get a list from T20 about who in BoB knew for certain he was a dev. Ban those people. Ask all other devs to leave BoB & BoB's pets right now (and not to talk to them) on pain of dismissal. Repeat for any other publically-known devs in any other alliances. If a dev is smart enough to keep quiet and not cheat - great! Have fun in game. Put up a public warning to everyone in the entire game, along the lines of "If someone in your alliance or corp claims to be a dev or GM, report them now or you may face dire repercussions later" Get all other items which could be considered illegitimate gains via corrupt Dev back from whoever has them, in whichever corp (the event mothership and similar toys). Fire T20. That'll do...for a start, anyway. -- I want my people to reclaim their rightful place in the galaxy... I want a rebirth of glory, a renaissance of power... I want us to be what we used to be.
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.02.10 10:25:00 - [144] Add us to the BOB side. Thanks. Dark-Rising
Sirius Lonestar Gallente GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.02.10 10:39:00 - [145] Originally by: Vily [But the problem is that it DOESN't work. It has been proved a hundred times by people who study the field. punishment for all does not lead to no more evil happenings. If Mayor X commits acts of corruption the city will feel it and may even be punished. This wont hamper mayor Y from doing the same thing. the ASSSUMPTION is that this was done for ALLIANCE gain. When it was more than likely for PERSONAL gain. It ended up being an alliance benefit when they ended up with his BPO's after he had his characters deleted. You have never been in the Military have you? Group punishment can be quite effective as the members of the group effected by the punishment will take care of the offender(s) and make sure it doesn't happen again. The problem with your analogy is that you place it in scenario where enforcement is difficult in a free society. This is a game where CCP has absolute authority to enforce rules and absolute power to hand out punishments. That said, I do not believe that disbanding BoB is the answer. They can, however, permaban the people involved and fine the Alliance/Corp heavily. According to the evidence provided, Leaders in BoB knowingly cheated by accepting in game goods and intelligence that regular players are not privy to. This deserves serious sanctions as they were willing participants. So far, much of the evidence has been back up by the investigation. Common sense also states that there allegations would be something that people, like the Leadership of BoB, who are extremely arrogant and have a win at any cost mentality would do. I only ask CCP to do us a favor and wait until the "Great War" is over so the last thing that Sir Molle and the other cheaters remember in the game is the fact that they lost to our coalition.
Yagyu Munemori Amarr Space lane Patrol	Posted - 2007.02.10 10:48:00 - [146] Originally by: Siliya just want to Make sure I Understand this Setup BoB Attacks RA Goon & friends 6 or so hours ago the Dev Scandle goes down BoB Becomes Targeted by most of the Server just making sure I understand this.... was that the case or was this a Strike of oppurtunity Isnt it Great =) Time to pop some egos. ________________________________________________ Its better to have loved and lost then never to have lost at all
sariss Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:14:00 - [147] Funny how all the forum warriors/whiners/flamers now all found the perfect explanation for everything that happened and that will happen: If Ragoons loose vs. LV/BoB it is because BoB cheat. If Ragoons win it is because BoB can not cheat any more. And of course, node crashes are never because you have 500 people in system shooting each others. If you follow your own logic you should quit EVE. Can i have your stuff?
D2O HeavyWater Amarr Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:19:00 - [148] Goddam those eve nodes are gonna be doin some sweatin. GM's get ready for the floods of petitions, 0 fps, ctd's locked up screens etc....
Zanarkand Gallente Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:19:00 - [149] Originally by: sariss Funny how all the forum warriors/whiners/flamers now all found the perfect explanation for everything that happened and that will happen: If Ragoons loose vs. LV/BoB it is because BoB cheat. If Ragoons win it is because BoB can not cheat any more. And of course, node crashes are never because you have 500 people in system shooting each others. If you follow your own logic you should quit EVE. Can i have your stuff? AND all of the bannable stuff that has been done by GS, RA, RAT etc is overlooked? All the GS, RA, A, etc pilots please look at the mirror... Hmmm, can't think of any better name than GoonCheat
Sargonius Minmatar Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:22:00 - [150] Edited by: Sargonius on 10/02/2007 11:18:57 Originally by: sariss And of course, node crashes are never because you have 500 people in system shooting each others. What about 142 peoples in the same system and 2 nodes crash?

Mulletstation GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:22:00 - [151] Originally by: Zanarkand Originally by: sariss Funny how all the forum warriors/whiners/flamers now all found the perfect explanation for everything that happened and that will happen: If Ragoons loose vs. LV/BoB it is because BoB cheat. If Ragoons win it is because BoB can not cheat any more. And of course, node crashes are never because you have 500 people in system shooting each others. If you follow your own logic you should quit EVE. Can i have your stuff? AND all of the bannable stuff that has been done by GS, RA, RAT etc is overlooked? All the GS, RA, A, etc pilots please look at the mirror... Hmmm, can't think of any better name than GoonCheat Cheatswarm I think comes off the tongue a bit better
Fedaykinn Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:23:00 - [152] Lol all this drama already and were not even a day into the war yet more like 15 hours heh. Got a feeling its gonna be a long time before we see the victors. Battles will be lost and won but the war is far from over people more alliances will prob jump in tis a very exciting time hehe
sariss Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:25:00 - [153] Originally by: Mulletstation Originally by: Zanarkand Originally by: sariss Funny how all the forum warriors/whiners/flamers now all found the perfect explanation for everything that happened and that will happen: If Ragoons loose vs. LV/BoB it is because BoB cheat. If Ragoons win it is because BoB can not cheat any more. And of course, node crashes are never because you have 500 people in system shooting each others. If you follow your own logic you should quit EVE. Can i have your stuff? AND all of the bannable stuff that has been done by GS, RA, RAT etc is overlooked? All the GS, RA, A, etc pilots please look at the mirror... Hmmm, can't think of any better name than GoonCheat Cheatswarm I think comes off the tongue a bit better Thank you. At least not everybody is taking the whole situation that uber serious.
Spaced Skunk D00M.	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:25:00 - [154] Originally by: Padrean Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS Never forget Poland! Didnt Poland get overrun by the Germans and/or the Russians in every war? Guess who we have on our side? First to fight. Sold as slaves for Russification by our "allies" (Yalta). Over 1000 years, Poland has had worse. Bring it on. I seriously hope you die in a fire for bringing this up. Aye I agree, not the comment but in general. Poland had it bad, and it wasnt very thoughtful of you to add it to a forum for EvE events. None the less the Polish were probably the most courageous people in WWII, and deserve honour and repect for it, not a foolish comment such as that one Gamesguy, and is seriously not a matter to joke about. Eve related, hope theres not too much lag (or who and I kidding)
Tabouli GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:25:00 - [155] Originally by: Zanarkand AND all of the bannable stuff that has been done by GS, RA, RAT etc is overlooked? All the GS, RA, A, etc pilots please look at the mirror... Hmmm, can't think of any better name than GoonCheat You also can't seem to think of an insult better than 'no you are'. Honestly, if for some reason you are aware of GoonSwarm exploiting where the rest of eve isn't, start a blog with reams of chatlogs and incriminating evidence. I'm pretty sure it's worked wonders in the past.
Logi3 EVE Corporation 1631	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:36:00 - [156] Wow, this could be one of the biggest event of Eve history. Also, whats driving most of the Alliances to go to war? Is it the Dev incedent, who knows? I dont think i want to miss this out, might have to put my services on offer hehe ;) Your Signature exceeds the max filesize limit of 24,000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo
Soryn Kael The Sanctum	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:38:00 - [157] Originally by: sariss Funny how all the forum warriors/whiners/flamers now all found the perfect explanation for everything that happened and that will happen: If Ragoons loose vs. LV/BoB it is because BoB cheat. If Ragoons win it is because BoB can not cheat any more. And of course, node crashes are never because you have 500 people in system shooting each others. If you follow your own logic you should quit EVE. Can i have your stuff? Close.. but try this on. No matter what BoB does from here on out people are always going to have the Dev thing in the back of their minds. The tourney wins.. did BoB know what the other side was fitting? Has BoB received other help? Do BoB petitions get looked on more favorably? Do petitions from actions against BoB get shuttled aside? Is BoB really any good or have they had help? Quite literally everything from here on out that BoB does is poisoned by the knowledge that just maybe they didn't accomplish it the same way everyone else did, that they had help from the people who actually run the game. Every single fortunate coincidence for BoB is now going to be viewed askance. I mean be realistic, I'm what you'd consider an average player with no ties to any alliance anymore. I follow these forums for fun. It's like the foundation has *****ed. I rooted for the goons to all die in the "crusade". I was amazed at Kayasoni and DB Preacher pulling it out against IAC, heck, that show even got a couple of my friends to start playing Eve. I enjoyed the war reports from ASCN falling down. I was looking forward to the coming D2/BoB war to see which group would really prove the strongest... Now.. I can't help but wonder if maybe Kayo and DB knew what Tyrrax had fitted... As a veteran MMO player I'm used to having my illusions about a game shattered. That doesn't mean you can't keep hoping that maybe this time it'll be different and it doesn't stop it from hurting when it isn't.
Eamz Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:39:00 - [158] Ive been away from game and must have missed something, since when have LV and BoB been friends? All i can see happening is BoB going after LV once they killed the others. LV should side with the rest.
Horatio Nately Caldari Finis Lumen	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:41:00 - [159] Edited by: Horatio Nately on 10/02/2007 11:38:48 I vote for the Great Southern war. to defend bob: I bet half the people posting on the forum would take things from questionable means in a heartbeat. against bob: well wtf man, some guy magically gets an assload of T2 BPOs and you dont get suspicious? (see I can bring 2 points to the table) --------------------------------------- My Usual Feedback: Pro BoB post = omg you suck up stfu. Anti BoB Post = omg add more tinfoil. Maybe its just my own opinion?
AaronP Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:45:00 - [160] ExE Will be fighting on the BoB side btw, so please add them.

Ghitza Backup Squad	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:45:00 - [161] Originally by: Liu Kaskakka Edited by: Liu Kaskakka on 10/02/2007 00:51:37 Originally by: Rail Duke BoD Devkoku, Devolution, Devstructive Influence, GMC and TAISDP? I like that , words of day for me.

Ivan Kirilenkov Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:50:00 - [162] While I realize that a lot of people are upset by the recent events, but please keep those discussions in this thread. Also; Kieron has started to address questions from that thread in thisthread. Please keep this thread about the upcoming and ongoing war; and try to keep it on topic and civil. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website

PC5 ClanKillers	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:50:00 - [163] Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz Never forget Poland! Poland!? WTF that means? Please explain.
Raevenor GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:12:00 - [164] Originally by: PC5 Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz Never forget Poland! Poland!? WTF that means? Please explain. Welp.
TheArchJudge Gallente Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:27:00 - [165] Originally by: PC5 Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz Never forget Poland! Poland!? WTF that means? Please explain. /me points to WWII history
PC5 ClanKillers	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:33:00 - [166] Originally by: TheArchJudge Originally by: PC5 Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz Never forget Poland! Poland!? WTF that means? Please explain. /me points to WWII history I hope he has that in mind. EOD
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:35:00 - [167] Originally by: Soryn Kael Originally by: sariss Funny how all the forum warriors/whiners/flamers now all found the perfect explanation for everything that happened and that will happen: If Ragoons loose vs. LV/BoB it is because BoB cheat. If Ragoons win it is because BoB can not cheat any more. And of course, node crashes are never because you have 500 people in system shooting each others. If you follow your own logic you should quit EVE. Can i have your stuff? Close.. but try this on. No matter what BoB does from here on out people are always going to have the Dev thing in the back of their minds. The tourney wins.. did BoB know what the other side was fitting? Has BoB received other help? Do BoB petitions get looked on more favorably? Do petitions from actions against BoB get shuttled aside? Is BoB really any good or have they had help? Quite literally everything from here on out that BoB does is poisoned by the knowledge that just maybe they didn't accomplish it the same way everyone else did, that they had help from the people who actually run the game. Every single fortunate coincidence for BoB is now going to be viewed askance. I mean be realistic, I'm what you'd consider an average player with no ties to any alliance anymore. I follow these forums for fun. It's like the foundation has *****ed. I rooted for the goons to all die in the "crusade". I was amazed at Kayasoni and DB Preacher pulling it out against IAC, heck, that show even got a couple of my friends to start playing Eve. I enjoyed the war reports from ASCN falling down. I was looking forward to the coming D2/BoB war to see which group would really prove the strongest... Now.. I can't help but wonder if maybe Kayo and DB knew what Tyrrax had fitted... As a veteran MMO player I'm used to having my illusions about a game shattered. That doesn't mean you can't keep hoping that maybe this time it'll be different and it doesn't stop it from hurting when it isn't. Since CCP wont allow any more cheating to be even possible and will monitor very strict, this means, that every battle BoB wins from here on out will prove their opponents suck. And this time they can't scream hax and cheats.
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.02.10 13:07:00 - [168] Still way too much speculation tbh. Couple that with some narrowmindnessness (is that even a word?) and every argument will still be mixed into a gigant turd of lies, truths, facts and everything between. The result: Never ending discussions that result in everyone having their opinion that they will never change no matter what! It has already happened, there are many Tinfoil-structures in here that has been answered by CCP and things that wasnt even a problem if people had actually bothered to read in more than one place and was open to seeing more than the imidiate emotional response. Some of this of course sucks donkey and its wrong on so many levels but there is also a limit to what has been done, what can be done about it and what the end result will be without it taking rediculous proportions. One thing that I see over and over again is that "xxx new before everyone else!" What? I dont even follow the progression and changes to EVE that much but I know most of all changes before they occur anyway? Why? You are not a Dev are you? Because I read blogs, I have others making a life out of looking up information, going to Dev-chats, doing tests on SiSi, prediciting whats going to happened based on my own experiences in the game and most of all ASKING QUESTIONS! You cant punish or call people cheaters just because they dont have a life other than getting into this game on level far above others!* That is what it takes. No more, no less. Try it and you will see it too. Of course, all of what I just wrote will go into the mentioned "Turd mixer" and be lost without any logical discussions about it, just like all others posts, from either side. One good thing about all this though is the scale of warfare we are now getting into! Hell yeah! Lock and load! Whip me up and call me Susan, this War has potential!!! Cheers, Lowa *And please, not frikkin jokes about the obvious Dev issue here. You get my point. What if the truth was something else?
The Assyrian Mound of Severed Heads	Posted - 2007.02.10 13:12:00 - [169] Originally by: Tabouli Originally by: Zanarkand AND all of the bannable stuff that has been done by GS, RA, RAT etc is overlooked? All the GS, RA, A, etc pilots please look at the mirror... Hmmm, can't think of any better name than GoonCheat You also can't seem to think of an insult better than 'no you are'. Honestly, if for some reason you are aware of GoonSwarm exploiting where the rest of eve isn't, start a blog with reams of chatlogs and incriminating evidence. I'm pretty sure it's worked wonders in the past. Like here? Some discussion here (and there was a lot more) Remedial sharing accounts, and other Goon problems here
Hastrabull Caldari Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.10 13:14:00 - [170] Originally by: Spaced Skunk Originally by: Padrean Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS Never forget Poland! Didnt Poland get overrun by the Germans and/or the Russians in every war? Guess who we have on our side? First to fight. Sold as slaves for Russification by our "allies" (Yalta). Over 1000 years, Poland has had worse. Bring it on. I seriously hope you die in a fire for bringing this up. Aye I agree, not the comment but in general. Poland had it bad, and it wasnt very thoughtful of you to add it to a forum for EvE events. None the less the Polish were probably the most courageous people in WWII, and deserve honour and repect for it, not a foolish comment such as that one Gamesguy, and is seriously not a matter to joke about. Eve related, hope theres not too much lag (or who and I kidding) and thats why im proud to be polish! Teraz ruskie dostana po zadzie! :D :) Hastrabull

Shin Ra BURN EDEN GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 13:32:00 - [171] Originally by: Zanarkand Originally by: sariss Funny how all the forum warriors/whiners/flamers now all found the perfect explanation for everything that happened and that will happen: If Ragoons loose vs. LV/BoB it is because BoB cheat. If Ragoons win it is because BoB can not cheat any more. And of course, node crashes are never because you have 500 people in system shooting each others. If you follow your own logic you should quit EVE. Can i have your stuff? AND all of the bannable stuff that has been done by GS, RA, RAT etc is overlooked? All the GS, RA, A, etc pilots please look at the mirror... Hmmm, can't think of any better name than GoonCheat What are we supposed to have done?
Tabouli GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 13:34:00 - [172] Originally by: The Assyrian broken links Sweet, now you just have to get it slashdotted and written about on bluesnews and then get all seven of your (presumably minmatar interdictor specced) accounts banned.
Godolphin Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.10 13:41:00 - [173] Has CCP finished their investigation into dev help?? if so what was the outcome. PS..mail godolphin ingame looking forra corp to join fighting BOB [gold]Your SIG is to big please reduce it to fit these limits The size limits for signature graphics are as follows: Maximum height:
Christopher Scott Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 13:49:00 - [174] I would like to clarify, this is not EVE War I. We already had EVE War I with the old CA+FE+PA vs. everyone else. This is like EVE War II, maybe III. Originally by: DB Preacher I may be a muppet on these forums and wind peeps up massively but what is going on here is waaaaay over the edge of reasonable morality.
Major Stormer Caldari Red Storm Vendetta	Posted - 2007.02.10 13:57:00 - [175] Edited by: Major Stormer on 10/02/2007 13:54:08 Playtime is over. Time to die.
Ganond0rf Legio Nova Invicta Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.10 13:58:00 - [176] Originally by: Shin Ra What are we supposed to have done? Inviting enemies to conversations to lag them some more until the node crashed (yesterday, 46dp)? Dropping cans stacked with bms to lag enemies and node crash a system before the revelation hw upgrade ? Purposedly lag 1v so RA dreads would be not attackable since there was 1 hour module lag - RA dreads were firing at posses, then lag, then nobody could activate any modules ? Been playing only a few months, and all this comes to mind. Personally i think CCP should eliminate every advantage BoB had from dev(s), by investigating and takin things back, if it's a BPO they should take also away the isk made by using it, if they conquered a system with insider information nuke it or whatever. BoB still has very experienced, well equipped pilots, hundreds of them, they didn't all cheat, and when CCP removes every advantage and they still win, you can't blame dev help anymore. I also would like to see those goons opening convos yesterday banned.
zedman Cruel The Outsider's	Posted - 2007.02.10 14:02:00 - [177] This looks to be the biggest eve universal war evar, gonna be an interesting looking map over the coming months
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.10 14:08:00 - [178] If you take into account the number of players on each side, I know who I'd bet on. But, when you take into account the number of devs on each side, the Pendulum may swing in the opposite...
The Assyrian Mound of Severed Heads	Posted - 2007.02.10 14:14:00 - [179] Originally by: Kozak If you take into account the number of players on each side, I know who I'd bet on. But, when you take into account the number of devs on each side, the Pendulum may swing in the opposite... Shouldn't you be busy setting up a log-off/log-in trap somewhere?
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.10 14:20:00 - [180] We're beyond that. We are feverishly working on generating our own BPOs. Our efforts have so far been fruitless, but we will not give up till we spawn a BPO of some sort. On another note, we are looking for black magic wizards to help us in our efforts.

Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.02.10 14:21:00 - [181] Originally by: Kozak We're beyond that. We are feverishly working on generating our own BPOs. Our efforts have so far been fruitless, but we will not give up till we spawn a BPO of some sort. On another note, we are looking for black magic wizards to help us in our efforts. Why not buy some from the isk you get from exploiting complexes?
Night Haunter Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.10 14:23:00 - [182] Free Kugutsumen!!!!!! I'll see you on the lagfield!
Mindlles 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.10 14:30:00 - [183] Can i shoot at u all?
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.10 14:31:00 - [184] Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: Kozak We're beyond that. We are feverishly working on generating our own BPOs. Our efforts have so far been fruitless, but we will not give up till we spawn a BPO of some sort. On another note, we are looking for black magic wizards to help us in our efforts. Why not buy some from the isk you get from exploiting complexes? Why does everyone know how to exploit complexes but me? Can you guys share this information, or if you have proof that it's going on, report it dammit!
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.10 14:34:00 - [185] Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: Soryn Kael Originally by: sariss Funny how all the forum warriors/whiners/flamers now all found the perfect explanation for everything that happened and that will happen: If Ragoons loose vs. LV/BoB it is because BoB cheat. If Ragoons win it is because BoB can not cheat any more. And of course, node crashes are never because you have 500 people in system shooting each others. If you follow your own logic you should quit EVE. Can i have your stuff? Close.. but try this on. No matter what BoB does from here on out people are always going to have the Dev thing in the back of their minds. The tourney wins.. did BoB know what the other side was fitting? Has BoB received other help? Do BoB petitions get looked on more favorably? Do petitions from actions against BoB get shuttled aside? Is BoB really any good or have they had help? Quite literally everything from here on out that BoB does is poisoned by the knowledge that just maybe they didn't accomplish it the same way everyone else did, that they had help from the people who actually run the game. Every single fortunate coincidence for BoB is now going to be viewed askance. I mean be realistic, I'm what you'd consider an average player with no ties to any alliance anymore. I follow these forums for fun. It's like the foundation has ***ed. I rooted for the goons to all die in the "crusade". I was amazed at Kayasoni and DB Preacher pulling it out against IAC, heck, that show even got a couple of my friends to start playing Eve. I enjoyed the war reports from ASCN falling down. I was looking forward to the coming D2/BoB war to see which group would really prove the strongest... Now.. I can't help but wonder if maybe Kayo and DB knew what Tyrrax had fitted... As a veteran MMO player I'm used to having my illusions about a game shattered. That doesn't mean you can't keep hoping that maybe this time it'll be different and it doesn't stop it from hurting when it isn't. Since CCP wont allow any more cheating to be even possible and will monitor very strict, this means, that every battle BoB wins from here on out will prove their opponents suck. And this time they can't scream hax and cheats. Right, since CCP really punished their own people who did this....oh wait. They found out last july and did jack ** until it was made public. Not even remove the BPOs in question. Why would we trust CCP not to sweep it under the rug again? All they gotta do is do a better job at hiding it. It aint true remorse if you only show it after you get caught. -------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft.
Cuebick Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.10 14:34:00 - [186] Originally by: Kozak Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: Kozak We're beyond that. We are feverishly working on generating our own BPOs. Our efforts have so far been fruitless, but we will not give up till we spawn a BPO of some sort. On another note, we are looking for black magic wizards to help us in our efforts. Why not buy some from the isk you get from exploiting complexes? Why does everyone know how to exploit complexes but me? Can you guys share this information, or if you have proof that it's going on, report it dammit! Don't mind them.. they are all just bitter stop fudging with my sig :( waves -HornFrog
Everbane Underworld Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.10 14:38:00 - [187] Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: Kozak We're beyond that. We are feverishly working on generating our own BPOs. Our efforts have so far been fruitless, but we will not give up till we spawn a BPO of some sort. On another note, we are looking for black magic wizards to help us in our efforts. Why not buy some from the isk you get from exploiting complexes? Is this BoB's official tip of day? Wouldn't devspawning them be a little easier?
TheDevilsJury principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.10 14:41:00 - [188] Call it the Great Southern War Why? Because all the catalysts to fighting have occured in the South. Furthermore it won't be far into the war that the fighting leaves the South. I would even go so far as to say that the war will be won and lost in the South. And if you think that this war is about the dev misconduct then you haven't been following eve politics at all. The North has already had it's great war, it's time for a rumble in the South. ^^^^ You can hide, but you can't run. ^^^^
Hlaron GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 15:00:00 - [189] Edited by: Hlaron on 10/02/2007 14:57:07 Originally by: Ganond0rf Originally by: Shin Ra What are we supposed to have done? Inviting enemies to conversations to lag them some more until the node crashed (yesterday, 46dp)? Dropping cans stacked with bms to lag enemies and node crash a system before the revelation hw upgrade ? Purposedly lag 1v so RA dreads would be not attackable since there was 1 hour module lag - RA dreads were firing at posses, then lag, then nobody could activate any modules ? Been playing only a few months, and all this comes to mind. Personally i think CCP should eliminate every advantage BoB had from dev(s), by investigating and takin things back, if it's a BPO they should take also away the isk made by using it, if they conquered a system with insider information nuke it or whatever. BoB still has very experienced, well equipped pilots, hundreds of them, they didn't all cheat, and when CCP removes every advantage and they still win, you can't blame dev help anymore. I also would like to see those goons opening convos yesterday banned. You forgot to mention how when we fofofo after a battle it causes retroactive lag, and only to the opposing fleet.
Mortuus Minmatar Just-fun Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.10 15:10:00 - [190] Edited by: Mortuus on 10/02/2007 15:08:57 Oh wow, who to support... Damn, I think I have to support BoB. Mainly because the rest were to scared to go and do something about it by themselves for this entire time. And as for RAT and complex exploits....I watched you folks doing it with alts down when RA was non-existant and we were in CHIMP. Unless RAT forces magically showed up whenever those carrier using complex farmers sitting in the last level farming the boss who spawned every 45 minutes got in trouble and were no way connected to these exploiting bastards. ex-Occassus Republica <3

Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.10 15:46:00 - [191] Triumvirate will keep standings with IRON/D2/RAZOR/MM. And we will be joining this war.
commander tycho Minmatar Nekronius Bellicus	Posted - 2007.02.10 18:18:00 - [192] Edited by: commander tycho on 10/02/2007 18:19:54 My one-man corp will be joining the war against BoB. You guys in D2, goons, anti-bob etc. should feel honoured. I have truly won this war for you... Ok, not really. I am disbanding my corp and finding someone to join so i can get a piece of this. cough anyone? cough Cant wait. See you all on the lagfields! Oh and by the way, im not doing this because of the recent dev events. I just wanna shoot stuff. All of BoB arent to blame. i just dont like em
Welfare State GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 18:19:00 - [193] Originally by: Kozak We're beyond that. We are feverishly working on generating our own BPOs. Our efforts have so far been fruitless, but we will not give up till we spawn a BPO of some sort. On another note, we are looking for black magic wizards to help us in our efforts. I put on my robe and wizard's hat...
soulkiller3 Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 18:50:00 - [194] Edited by: soulkiller3 on 10/02/2007 18:50:23 Edited by: soulkiller3 on 10/02/2007 18:49:50 Edited by: soulkiller3 on 10/02/2007 18:48:40 Have posted once on the forms in my 2 1/2 years of been hear, but with resent events i think ill have my say. LV i see you can now smack talk since BOB have comes to save the day. I was in one of the two main allyed system camps on thursday wille LV fleet was warping around between them panicing. And am glad BOB came becoue tbh it was borning. Friday was fun, got in on the action and got a DD to the face and lived. And 2ed thing is LV cant play the "look its us v the who RED/GOON/CA/SMASH allince" card, as i remeber a year ago it was the LV,-V-,KOS allince v RED, and red slowly won and gained space slowly. So end of the day LV,V,KOS tryed to gank RED and failed so RED has the right to wipe you off the map. Respect to all and lets our guns do the taking, looking forward to seeing you all on the battlefield
Renard deGuerre	Posted - 2007.02.10 21:09:00 - [195] Edited by: Renard deGuerre on 10/02/2007 21:10:31 Originally by: Jake Noble Edited by: Jake Noble on 10/02/2007 00:47:01 Maybe we should call it a world war lol? The size and number of people involved appears to be growing hourly. Oh my Rail Duke arent you so very witty... Nah. Just call it "The Cheater War." Sigh.
Waut 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.10 21:12:00 - [196] I wonder which side the MGRL will be on In Soviet EVE, roids pop YOU
Hubris Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.10 21:12:00 - [197] Edited by: Hubris on 10/02/2007 21:08:58 the name of the war is already decided, its the MULLACAUST.
Zensige Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.11 08:20:00 - [198] Originally by: Jake Noble Edited by: Jake Noble on 10/02/2007 00:47:01 Maybe we should call it a world war lol? The size and number of people involved appears to be growing hourly. Oh my Rail Duke arent you so very witty... It's not a world war until France falls.....so I guess that means BoB has to invade Gallente space first :D
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.11 08:34:00 - [199] Originally by: Major Stormer Edited by: Major Stormer on 10/02/2007 13:54:08 Playtime is over. Time to die. errr what? isn't this like the 6th time "It's serious" from Celest?
Heptameron Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.11 08:49:00 - [200] well personally i think this would have happened at some point anyway. Recent events have just pushed it forward.... Whatevers true about the whole scanadal or not, i really don't care right now. We are about to write a peice of eve history, the kind of battles that we all dream about are about to unfold. Let's try and put SOME of the reasons why this is happening behind us and focus on the pure entertainment we are about to get. I would just like to say good luck, clean and smack free fights to BOTH sides of this (hopefully!) epic conflict! (oh and maedden... your still my biatch....) ---------------------------------------------- We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by

Tiwaz Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2007.02.11 10:01:00 - [201] Edited by: Tiwaz on 11/02/2007 09:58:36 its great for the game that so many have gotten their act together and attacked bob. But i for one, will not be spending anymore time on bob. Playing against ppl who have been proven cheats, is not my game. tiw (former bob fanboi)
Quartex Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.11 10:11:00 - [202] snip Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Ivan K ([email protected])
tails52 Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.11 10:30:00 - [203] Just remember... Kugutsumen wants you to avenge him. ^~ --------------------------------------------------
Lance Tyr Minmatar Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.11 10:39:00 - [204] Originally by: Hubris Edited by: Hubris on 10/02/2007 21:08:58 the name of the war is already decided, its the MULLACAUST. That's the dumbest thing i've ever heard. I refuse to call it a mullacaust. Like what a genocide on people with mullets? I think not. kthx
Quartex Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.11 10:47:00 - [205] 1. Let's try and keep references to real world politics/history off the boards. We have a chance to leave that behind when we come to play this game. The "community aspects of being in the EvE world are what sets online games apart. 2. CCP are working to explain what's going on in different threads. Hunt them out and give the guys a chance to explain. Personally I'd like to see a post from the CCP CEO who needs to realise just how precarious the future of the game is poised right now. We pay to play EvE and any sense that this is being taken for granted will drive players out. We should get on with having fun and CCP should get on with regaining our trust. >>>>> http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=423 <<<< 3. The Big War that has started is going to be epic and will redraw the map again. It is something that CCP have probably dreamed of. They are possibly a little frustrated it's come before the "need for speed" optimizations that were planned for a later patch! Good luck to everyone for a lag free experience, lets hope that CCP can keep server Powah where it's needed! 4. Whether BoB win, or lose, everyone will go back to fighting each other afterwards and it is this that will have the biggest impact on the next 12 months of the game ~ should be fun. So there's my two pennies; let's enjoy the game but keep the pressure on CCP in the appropriate threads to keep this game in our hearts; I for one would sorely miss it if it disappeared but want to feel that the top team in CCP are still working with us all to build the best online experience on the internet. http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=423
Jags Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.11 11:02:00 - [206] Originally by: Quartex Things this guy said 100% right Although after Day one of the war the forum-warriors have taken it in game and the bull**** spouted has calmed down a bit IMO.
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.11 11:04:00 - [207] Originally by: Herculite Originally by: Tonkin Originally by: CreEDLom Edited by: CreEDLom on 10/02/2007 02:05:03 OK guys can we get a idea of who is on what sides? So far I have. . . RA TCF GoonSwarm IAC CA AAA D2 IRON MM Razor Pandemic Legion SMASH Alliance KOS CLS TNT Prime Orbital Systems -VS- BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS CCP you forget CCP on BOB's side If the devs were on BoB's side they would have fixed loggofski months ago. They did. It's called a recon launcher.
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.11 11:13:00 - [208] Originally by: Nez Perces After reading about the allegations concerning BoB and CCP, I have the belief that the following should happen. No CCP employee should lose their job over this. But..... BoB as an alliance should be officially disbanded by CCP. Dunno about that. I don't think more external interference will erase damage done by prior interference. Would probably just lead to a cycle of outside meddling that would do more harm than good. Originally by: Nez Perces Therefore every entity in the game should make it their personal business to eliminate BoB from the game. .. if the EVE community is unwilling to do this.... You should all unplug your keyboards and find some other game to play because this one is broken. Thankyou for reading. /signed. couldnt agree more.
hired goon Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.11 13:56:00 - [209] Oh for crying out loud you silly community. When I asked you all to team up against BoB in 2004, I expected you to be able to assemble fleets a little faster than this. Ah well, you have my bow. (in before And My Axe) -omg-
The Assyrian Mound of Severed Heads	Posted - 2007.02.11 14:10:00 - [210] Originally by: Waut I wonder which side the MGRL will be on I'm sure they'll be behind you all the way...

Pesadel0 Vagabundos	Posted - 2007.02.11 14:18:00 - [211] Originally by: Maya Rkell Nez Perces, you're still bitter? Oh please. Unless you ban the players from playing together, BoB would continue. You are supporting the cheaters, Goonfleet, and their pet hacker. Your high horse...isn't. Get over losing to BoB and move on. The crazy thing here is that actions were only taken AFTER the hacker discovered them. After some episodes of pure stupidity like 4S,GM in a officer fited ratlesnake and know this..I'am loosing interest in EVE and that is the worst thing of them all.
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.02.11 15:04:00 - [212] Originally by: CreEDLom Edited by: CreEDLom on 10/02/2007 03:39:20 OK guys can we get a idea of who is on what sides? So far I have. . . RA TCF GoonSwarm IAC CA AAA D2 IRON MM Razor Pandemic Legion SMASH Alliance KOS CLS TNT Prime Orbital Systems Triumvirate -VS- BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS Southern Connection A small alliance called Southern Connection are fighting alongside BOB and LV. They are directly related to BOB and RKK. In my business there is no black, nor white. Just a million different shades of grey.
Abn Matar Minmatar Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.11 16:34:00 - [213] Originally by: hired goon Oh for crying out loud you silly community. When I asked you all to team up against BoB in 2004, I expected you to be able to assemble fleets a little faster than this. Ah well, you have my bow. (in before And My Axe) And my AXCHE! -------------------------------------------------- http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2310/16fd9c37ebc3fd5ee8fab1c1a8d9ca7fkr8.gif Your signature is larger than the forum allowed dimensions ( 400x120x 24000 bytes) . Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Rooker Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.02.11 17:30:00 - [214] Originally by: The Assyrian Originally by: Waut I wonder which side the MGRL will be on I'm sure they'll be behind you all the way... coffee spews from nose lol!!!! You, sir, have won today! ---
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2007.02.11 19:49:00 - [215] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Nez Perces After reading about the allegations concerning BoB and CCP, I have the belief that the following should happen. No CCP employee should lose their job over this. But..... BoB as an alliance should be officially disbanded by CCP. Dunno about that. I don't think more external interference will erase damage done by prior interference. Would probably just lead to a cycle of outside meddling that would do more harm than good. Originally by: Nez Perces Therefore every entity in the game should make it their personal business to eliminate BoB from the game. .. if the EVE community is unwilling to do this.... You should all unplug your keyboards and find some other game to play because this one is broken. Thankyou for reading. /signed. couldnt agree more. I'm getting more fed up with the mess by the minute. What is bugging me most now is i am accumulating mails from old mates saying they are quitting EVE because of the DevsinBoBgate scandel. That makes me very sad. Taur
Shuriken Ertai Princeps Corp	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:36:00 - [216] Edited by: Shuriken Ertai on 11/02/2007 20:33:25 Originally by: CreEDLom Edited by: CreEDLom on 10/02/2007 03:39:20 OK guys can we get a idea of who is on what sides? So far I have. . . RA TCF GoonSwarm IAC CA AAA D2 IRON MM Razor Pandemic Legion SMASH Alliance KOS CLS TNT Prime Orbital Systems Triumvirate -VS- BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS ]Southern Connection AXE They are fighting in fountain alongside with fix, corelum etc..
Galimiy Portret R.u.S.H. Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.11 21:18:00 - [217] I am already experiencing a really good change in the light of recent events and that is the absence of abudance (sp?) of stupid and arrogant BoB posts. I guess they got a no posting order and that is really refreshing for this part of the forums. A bit sad that they didn't get a no posting with alts order, but I guess that woul be too good to be true. ...now in RED
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.11 21:36:00 - [218] Originally by: Galimiy Portret I am already experiencing a really good change in the light of recent events and that is the absence of abudance (sp?) of stupid and arrogant BoB posts. I guess they got a no posting order and that is really refreshing for this part of the forums. A bit sad that they didn't get a no posting with alts order, but I guess that woul be too good to be true. I would say quite the opposite. Recently these forums (and indeed the whole game) have descended to Trial by popular opinion, guilt by rumour and just general paranoia, lies, stirring and bull****. This will be the death of eve far more than any minor incident involving a developer.
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.11 21:44:00 - [219] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Galimiy Portret I am already experiencing a really good change in the light of recent events and that is the absence of abudance (sp?) of stupid and arrogant BoB posts. I guess they got a no posting order and that is really refreshing for this part of the forums. A bit sad that they didn't get a no posting with alts order, but I guess that woul be too good to be true. I would say quite the opposite. Recently these forums (and indeed the whole game) have descended to Trial by popular opinion, guilt by rumour and just general paranoia, lies, stirring and bull****. This will be the death of eve far more than any minor incident involving a developer. People like you make the world go 'round. You just bury your head in the sand so 99% of the world's problems pass you by and the 1% you actually HAVE to deal with. . .well, for that you just make up excuses about why it isn't really a problem and how everyone is at fault BUT the people guilty.
Dekiri Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.11 21:47:00 - [220] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Galimiy Portret I am already experiencing a really good change in the light of recent events and that is the absence of abudance (sp?) of stupid and arrogant BoB posts. I guess they got a no posting order and that is really refreshing for this part of the forums. A bit sad that they didn't get a no posting with alts order, but I guess that woul be too good to be true. I would say quite the opposite. Recently these forums (and indeed the whole game) have descended to Trial by popular opinion, guilt by rumour and just general paranoia, lies, stirring and bull**. This will be the death of eve far more than any minor incident involving a developer. lol You do realize that the only thing bob would add here is more spinning and flaming? And more lies stirring and bull? At least show your BoB tag =P --------------------------------- Exanimo Inc. - Mercs for hire Join channel "CONTRACT EXAN" in game if you wish to hire Exanimo Inc. Or contact cptblood or kakanur**

pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.11 23:04:00 - [221] Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Galimiy Portret I am already experiencing a really good change in the light of recent events and that is the absence of abudance (sp?) of stupid and arrogant BoB posts. I guess they got a no posting order and that is really refreshing for this part of the forums. A bit sad that they didn't get a no posting with alts order, but I guess that woul be too good to be true. I would say quite the opposite. Recently these forums (and indeed the whole game) have descended to Trial by popular opinion, guilt by rumour and just general paranoia, lies, stirring and bull****. This will be the death of eve far more than any minor incident involving a developer. Since there is no source of accurate information there is only two ways to handle it. Trial by rumor and public opinion (which is absurd) or pretending it didn't happen (which is shameful and probably impossible). I can't think of any good alternative. Maybe you have one? I don't think the majority of bob members had anything to do with this. I also find it probably bob leadership didn't have anything to do with it either. Yet it still happened. Even though the majority of bob is probably completely innocent the organization is going to take the heat because they were/are the benifactors. I think this is something the eve community can't let slide. Self policing 4tw.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.11 23:58:00 - [222] Nice battle in Y-2 tonight Despite there being 200+ in local....local was silent, no smack, just good pew pew Only afterwards was there mutual respect. I dont even want to say who held the field, as it would show disrespect to those that fought. O7 FIX Xelas and even COIN...nice to see all of you fighting with honour Tears will stream down your face, when you lose something you can not replace
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.11 23:58:00 - [223] Nice battle in Y-2 tonight Despite there being 200+ in local....local was silent, no smack, just good pew pew Only afterwards was there mutual respect. I dont even want to say who held the field, as it would show disrespect to those that fought. O7 FIX Xelas and even COIN...nice to see all of you fighting with honour Tears will stream down your face, when you lose something you can not replace
Treylis Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.12 02:39:00 - [224] Originally by: Sinlare Since CCP wont allow any more cheating to be even possible and will monitor very strict, this means, that every battle BoB wins from here on out will prove their opponents suck. And this time they can't scream hax and cheats. Sinlare, please explain for us exactly what methods CCP has said they will use to prevent any future cheating, and why they will be foolproof.
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.12 02:49:00 - [225] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Galimiy Portret I am already experiencing a really good change in the light of recent events and that is the absence of abudance (sp?) of stupid and arrogant BoB posts. I guess they got a no posting order and that is really refreshing for this part of the forums. A bit sad that they didn't get a no posting with alts order, but I guess that woul be too good to be true. I would say quite the opposite. Recently these forums (and indeed the whole game) have descended to Trial by popular opinion, guilt by rumour and just general paranoia, lies, stirring and bull****. This will be the death of eve far more than any minor incident involving a developer. Since there is no source of accurate information there is only two ways to handle it. Trial by rumor and public opinion (which is absurd) or pretending it didn't happen (which is shameful and probably impossible). I can't think of any good alternative. Maybe you have one? I don't think the majority of bob members had anything to do with this. I also find it probably bob leadership didn't have anything to do with it either. Yet it still happened. Even though the majority of bob is probably completely innocent the organization is going to take the heat because they were/are the benifactors. I think this is something the eve community can't let slide. Self policing 4tw. I see two options. Trusting the devs to restore order in their house (after all they hardly want a repeat), or leaving Eve.
Cassiuss Minmatar STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:19:00 - [226] There was a comment made my Pez, that he felt sorry for BoB, the average grunt etc etc. I don't one bit. At the end of the day, with thier smack somehow free from this thread, they deserve everything they will get. Egos bruised, thier leadership caught lying, and successfully cheating within this game, alliance spies, TS spies and all the underhanded ways they had to use to win within EvE. I wont ever forget thier smack, thier lack of respect, thier wholier then thou attitude. EvE vs. BoB /me points and laughs. BoB is the Evil within this game. Cassiuss, STK-S Recruitment Officer
Veras Mendacity	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:25:00 - [227] BoB Wars seems pretty obvious. That's what most people are calling it.
Divus Hybrid Syndicate Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:30:00 - [228] Edited by: Divus on 12/02/2007 03:28:57 err nuttn :D
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:32:00 - [229] Originally by: Edde Bebbi I see two options. Trusting the devs to restore order in their house (after all they hardly want a repeat), or leaving Eve. From what I've heard (i could be wrong) CCP knew about this for months with out even taking away the items in question. It was also to some extent covered up by them. I don't think that any trust was earned in this case. I'm not into trusting someone who has done something to lead me to believe I shouldn't. I guess we could all quit the game. But I think I like option C better. Killing BoB. Everyone wins. BoB get the war they are looking for. Everyone else gets to take part in policing the community against cheating. Why isn't that the right way to handle it?
Bellon Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:33:00 - [230] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Edde Bebbi I see two options. Trusting the devs to restore order in their house (after all they hardly want a repeat), or leaving Eve. From what I've heard (i could be wrong) CCP knew about this for months with out even taking away the items in question. It was also to some extent covered up by them. I don't think that any trust was earned in this case. I'm not into trusting someone who has done something to lead me to believe I shouldn't. I guess we could all quit the game. But I think I like option C better. Killing BoB. Everyone wins. BoB get the war they are looking for. Everyone else gets to take part in policing the community against cheating. Why isn't that the right way to handle it? No, They knew a char had been revealed as a Dev and deleted. ONLY NOW do they realise that he gave the spawned BPOs to BoB by the look of it.

Treylis Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:39:00 - [231] Originally by: Bellon No, They knew a char had been revealed as a Dev and deleted. ONLY NOW do they realise that he gave the spawned BPOs to BoB by the look of it. That's not accurate at all, please re-read the information available. He gave them to BoB (along with some other assets) after being petitioned for cheating, which forced his departure from the alliance.
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:42:00 - [232] Originally by: Treylis Originally by: Bellon No, They knew a char had been revealed as a Dev and deleted. ONLY NOW do they realise that he gave the spawned BPOs to BoB by the look of it. That's not accurate at all, please re-read the information available. He gave them to BoB (along with some other assets) after being petitioned for cheating, which forced his departure from the alliance. That and kieron specifically said that they should have removed the assets 6 months ago and that he knew of no legitimate reason why they were not. The Enemy's Gate is Down
0August0 Gallente Gooch Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.12 05:19:00 - [233] Originally by: Taurequis What is bugging me most now is i am accumulating mails from old mates saying they are quitting EVE because of the DevsinBoBgate scandel. That makes me very sad. Taur Ask them for me, can i have their stuff? . . . Regards, August
Allatar Daimas The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.12 06:01:00 - [234] So... who cares what it is named, War is the best part of Eve, I would rather kill you all than live aside you peaceably.
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.12 06:14:00 - [235] don't forget OSNAP on the side of bob and friends :)
DiuxDium Casting Shadows	Posted - 2007.02.12 06:18:00 - [236] Prediction: BoB will create a stand still, not because they're being beaten, but because they understand the nature of band wagoners. The moment those on the band wagon begin to lose ships, without killing any BoB, they'll begin falling off one by one. Slowly the "Coalition" will fall apart. People will lose interest, the "passion" they're showing now is really nothing more than the same passion a 12 year old boy shows for his newest toy. It will pass, as all things do. The thing that won't pass though, is BoB's will to dominate. So they shall. You can't stop a force such as BoB with a bit of bandwagon knee-jerk fools. Enjoy your little "Fighting the evil BoB(D)" party. It won't last. I eagerly away the "Omg BoD r haxing again lol so we quit cuss noh worth playing". Mmmmmmm, humble pie be cooking. --------------- PvP in EvE is not consentual.
Christian Wolf Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:05:00 - [237] Originally by: Shuriken Ertai Edited by: Shuriken Ertai on 11/02/2007 20:33:25 Originally by: CreEDLom Edited by: CreEDLom on 10/02/2007 03:39:20 OK guys can we get a idea of who is on what sides? So far I have. . . RA TCF GoonSwarm IAC CA AAA D2 IRON MM Razor Pandemic Legion SMASH Alliance KOS CLS TNT Prime Orbital Systems Triumvirate -VS- BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS Southern Connection AXE INTERDICTION They are fighting in Goon home....
putukas Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:09:00 - [238] Edited by: putukas on 12/02/2007 09:06:14 Originally by: Shuriken Ertai Edited by: Shuriken Ertai on 11/02/2007 20:33:25 Originally by: CreEDLom Edited by: CreEDLom on 10/02/2007 03:39:20 OK guys can we get a idea of who is on what sides? So far I have. . . RA TCF GoonSwarm IAC CA AAA D2 IRON MM Razor Pandemic Legion SMASH Alliance KOS CLS TNT Prime Orbital Systems Triumvirate -VS- BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS Southern Connection AXE INTERDICTION Cult Of War They are fighting in Goon home....
Srecko C Swedish Gimp Squad	Posted - 2007.02.12 12:19:00 - [239] i don't like none of the sides involved in this conflict but tbh i enjoyed BoB forum spammage more, at least it was more entertaining.. this is just.. well boring
Dekiri Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:08:00 - [240] Originally by: DiuxDium Prediction: BoB will create a stand still, not because they're being beaten, but because they understand the nature of band wagoners. The moment those on the band wagon begin to lose ships, without killing any BoB, they'll begin falling off one by one. Slowly the "Coalition" will fall apart. People will lose interest, the "passion" they're showing now is really nothing more than the same passion a 12 year old boy shows for his newest toy. It will pass, as all things do. The thing that won't pass though, is BoB's will to dominate. So they shall. You can't stop a force such as BoB with a bit of bandwagon knee-jerk fools. Enjoy your little "Fighting the evil BoB(D)" party. It won't last. I eagerly away the "Omg BoD r haxing again lol so we quit cuss noh worth playing". Mmmmmmm, humble pie be cooking. I think you give BoB to much credit tbh =P And the "coalition" not enough. --------------------------------- Exanimo Inc. - Mercs for hire Join channel "CONTRACT EXAN" in game if you wish to hire Exanimo Inc. Or contact cptblood or kakanur

Frogzuk Dragonian Freelancers Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:39:00 - [241] Those of you that sided with BOB dont get it do you. Bob has said in the past that 'THEY' want to own all of 0.0, so with this in mind those of you jumping on the lets defend BoB bandwagon will either 1) become thier pets if they were to win 2) become their targets should those fighting BoB lose GL everyone and lets have more smack free pew pew
WETRAIN Minmatar Viper Squad Mordus Angels	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:54:00 - [242] Originally by: Liu Kaskakka Edited by: Liu Kaskakka on 10/02/2007 00:51:37 Originally by: Rail Duke BoD Devkoku, Devolution, Devstructive Influence, GMC and TAISDP? You sir just made my week not only this day ----------------------------------------- When People are Ready the Master will come. - Original by Anihilus - -----------------------------------------
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:56:00 - [243] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 12/02/2007 13:52:51 Originally by: Frogzuk Those of you that sided with BOB dont get it do you. Bob has said in the past that 'THEY' want to own all of 0.0, so with this in mind those of you jumping on the lets defend BoB bandwagon will either Wait a minute... and everyone else doesn't? I have a hard time believing that the anti-BoB NAPwagon is going to just attack BoB, kill them, and then leave and not touch the space they owned . I would much rather Band of Brothers own all of 0.0 than Goonfleet, regardless, though I doubt either will ever happen. -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Morbius Nyks Amarr Rave Technologies Inc. Ion Core	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:11:00 - [244] This war should be called Tinfoil Revolution
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:30:00 - [245] Originally by: DiuxDium Prediction: BoB will create a stand still, not because they're being beaten, but because they understand the nature of band wagoners. The moment those on the band wagon begin to lose ships, without killing any BoB, they'll begin falling off one by one. Slowly the "Coalition" will fall apart. People will lose interest, the "passion" they're showing now is really nothing more than the same passion a 12 year old boy shows for his newest toy. It will pass, as all things do. The thing that won't pass though, is BoB's will to dominate. So they shall. You can't stop a force such as BoB with a bit of bandwagon knee-jerk fools. Enjoy your little "Fighting the evil BoB(D)" party. It won't last. I eagerly away the "Omg BoD r haxing again lol so we quit cuss noh worth playing". Mmmmmmm, humble pie be cooking. sure sure.. the germans tought exaclty the same thing 65 years ago about the allies. Do i need to remind you how it finished? Or how stuborn Reds can be? If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!!
merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:41:00 - [246] And with all due respect to LV/BoB this is what they really dont understand about the tactics being used against them. Everyone knows this will be a long war of attrition, there will be no quick decisive blow that decides this.. Goonfleet understand this concept totally and will willingly throw 150 T1 fitted frigates and cruisers to kill 10-20 T2 fitted battleships, as long as those battleships go down the losses to them are totally irrelevant. I was on TS and jumped into JV with 200 goons the other night, word came through that after we jumped in BoB had bubbled the otherside of the gate out, they simply didnt understand that bubbling the way out was totally uneeded, the Goons had no intention of jumping back out, they were there to kill as much as possible and to hell with the losses. Kill/Loss stastics mean nothing in this war (btw I say that from a stand point of our alliance having killed more than lost so far) wearing down the enemies ability to fight, taking and destroying the enemies major assets and reoving the enemies abilty to fund this war are what will win. To date the coalition against LV/BoB in the curse region have taken fairly large scale action agianst the enemy on their own or with small ad hoc groups, once the command structure is talking properly and co-ordinated attacks really start to take off then the war will start to kick off All the above is my view alone and not of my corps or alliance
Rat Hubble Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:15:00 - [247] Originally by: merc999 And with all due respect to LV/BoB this is what they really dont understand about the tactics being used against them. Everyone knows this will be a long war of attrition, there will be no quick decisive blow that decides this.. Goonfleet understand this concept totally and will willingly throw 150 T1 fitted frigates and cruisers to kill 10-20 T2 fitted battleships, as long as those battleships go down the losses to them are totally irrelevant. I was on TS and jumped into JV with 200 goons the other night, word came through that after we jumped in BoB had bubbled the otherside of the gate out, they simply didnt understand that bubbling the way out was totally uneeded, the Goons had no intention of jumping back out, they were there to kill as much as possible and to hell with the losses. Kill/Loss stastics mean nothing in this war (btw I say that from a stand point of our alliance having killed more than lost so far) wearing down the enemies ability to fight, taking and destroying the enemies major assets and reoving the enemies abilty to fund this war are what will win. To date the coalition against LV/BoB in the curse region have taken fairly large scale action agianst the enemy on their own or with small ad hoc groups, once the command structure is talking properly and co-ordinated attacks really start to take off then the war will start to kick off All the above is my view alone and not of my corps or alliance /me cuts n pastes to notepad - save to c:/documents and settings/my documents/mumbojumbo place holders- "pointless rhetoric"
Von Kleist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:24:00 - [248] Originally by: DiuxDium Prediction: BoB will create a stand still, not because they're being beaten, but because they understand the nature of band wagoners. The moment those on the band wagon begin to lose ships, without killing any BoB, they'll begin falling off one by one. Slowly the "Coalition" will fall apart. People will lose interest, the "passion" they're showing now is really nothing more than the same passion a 12 year old boy shows for his newest toy. It will pass, as all things do. The thing that won't pass though, is BoB's will to dominate. So they shall. You can't stop a force such as BoB with a bit of bandwagon knee-jerk fools. Enjoy your little "Fighting the evil BoB(D)" party. It won't last. I eagerly away the "Omg BoD r haxing again lol so we quit cuss noh worth playing". Mmmmmmm, humble pie be cooking. 1. Who are you exactly, and why are you important? 3. BoD die just like anyone else. C.) There are no goons, goodbye. I'd also like to mention how great it is working with corps and alliances I personally assumed would never be blue to me. You guys are awesome and a lot of fun to play with. And a thank you to BoD, if it were not for your failure as an alliance, none of this would be possible. This is my opinion only, the opinion of my alliance sounds like a creature who gnaws hungrily in inconceivable, unlighted chambers beyond time and space amidst the muffled, maddening beating of vile drums and the thin monotonous whine of accursed flutes.
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:50:00 - [249] Originally by: LordMordred I would have to say this is infact Eve War II if anything. SA vs CA then all the third parties involed, was EVE War I, and really set the stage for everything happening right now. That is just my humble opinion however. I think this too. Pwnage PvP Recruitment \m/ Metal Head \m/
Luthien Firefoot Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:10:00 - [250] Originally by: Herculite Originally by: Tonkin Originally by: CreEDLom Edited by: CreEDLom on 10/02/2007 02:05:03 OK guys can we get a idea of who is on what sides? So far I have. . . RA TCF GoonSwarm IAC CA AAA D2 IRON MM Razor Pandemic Legion SMASH Alliance KOS CLS TNT Prime Orbital Systems -VS- BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS CCP you forget CCP on BOB's side If the devs were on BoB's side they would have fixed loggofski months ago. well it didn't work for one of ur domi pilots during the war, so it's not all bad. wtb - the egg on ur face.

Gorvan	Posted - 2007.02.13 01:39:00 - [251] My statement is this.... The sandbox we call EVE is mostly controlled by us. It is within given rules to shift and shake. No matter who or what you believe every single person has an impact in some form. The Law of the players seems to be in effect. How cool is it that this is even possible. The battles that will take place are rule enforcement by players in a odd way. The flying debris from this War will be felt by every active player in some way. Gorvan
Rahn Altyr Minmatar Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.02.13 03:11:00 - [252] Edited by: Rahn Altyr on 13/02/2007 03:09:30 Originally by: CreEDLom Edited by: CreEDLom on 10/02/2007 03:39:20 OK guys can we get a idea of who is on what sides? So far I have. . . RA TCF GoonSwarm IAC CA AAA D2 IRON MM Razor Pandemic Legion SMASH Alliance KOS CLS TNT Prime Orbital Systems Triumvirate -VS- BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS Southern Connection AXE INTERDICTION Cult Of War Fallen Souls EXE Seems that people ignored Mitch's post about us. Edit: I guess I forgot about our friends in EXE too... sorry guys. The Dark is Rising. Come, and rise with us.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.13 03:51:00 - [253] Edited by: Plutoinum on 13/02/2007 03:51:13 Originally by: Frogzuk Those of you that sided with BOB dont get it do you. Bob has said in the past that 'THEY' want to own all of 0.0, so with this in mind those of you jumping on the lets defend BoB bandwagon will either 1) become thier pets if they were to win 2) become their targets should those fighting BoB lose GL everyone and lets have more smack free pew pew Well, if I take into account that the enemy took your space and you just joined his side after that, I find it a bit funny. Seems not to hurt to get assimilated.
Katoom Caldari OLE Mining Corp Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2007.02.13 04:41:00 - [254] We are here to fight the good fight - BoB 4TW!
Tab'Fren	Posted - 2007.02.13 04:51:00 - [255] Originally by: thetwilitehour Originally by: Siliya just want to Make sure I Understand this Setup BoB Attacks RA Goon & friends 6 or so hours ago the Dev Scandle goes down BoB Becomes Targeted by most of the Server just making sure I understand this.... was that the case or was this a Strike of oppurtunity D2 has contigency plans allowing us to invade any region in Eve within 6 hours of a dev scandal being announced. omg, snarfing coffee hurts. Thanks for the laugh.
Tab'Fren	Posted - 2007.02.13 05:01:00 - [256] Originally by: Herculite If this were some evil tinfoil ccp conspiracy they could have just claimed all the BPO's were legit as there are older players with a better collection. Instead they fessed up when they didn't have to. Ahem. There wasn't a conspiracy until someone else at CCP decided that BoD should continue to have access to the BPOs for another 8 months after t20's actions were discovered. I'm glad it's all-out war, because I don't really have anything else I want to accomplish atm other than getting a few pounds of flesh.
Sharmina ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 05:17:00 - [257] Originally by: Rahn Altyr Edited by: Rahn Altyr on 13/02/2007 03:09:30 Originally by: CreEDLom Edited by: CreEDLom on 10/02/2007 03:39:20 OK guys can we get a idea of who is on what sides? So far I have. . . RA TCF GoonSwarm IAC CA AAA D2 IRON MM Razor Pandemic Legion SMASH Alliance KOS CLS TNT Prime Orbital Systems Triumvirate -VS- BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS Southern Connection AXE INTERDICTION Cult Of War Fallen Souls EXE SCA Well I have added Southern Cross Alliance The iron fist in a velvet glove R
Anaximander Monk Mandala Group	Posted - 2007.02.13 05:36:00 - [258] Its interesting to note the 'feel' of the war, so far as the forums go. There seems to be overwhelming support for and faith in BoBs enemies. BoBs apparent backers seem to consist mainly of their vassals and allies. I put it down to the absence of the BoB propaganda squad. Viva La Revolucion!
Frederick Sheh Caldari Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2007.02.13 06:06:00 - [259] The best thing I can see coming out of this are the FRAPS movies of the fights. Good luck everyone. .FS Ensign Frederick_Sheh (Agent Relations) - Military Division - Hadean Drive Yards
D1ck Jones Old Detroit Crime Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.13 06:19:00 - [260] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 10/02/2007 08:01:53 Originally by: Degaal Valen I'd really take issue with any broad-sweeping action on CCP's part that penalized the innocent along with the guilty. To put it bluntly I felt like I was the victim of something similar at the hands of BoB, blindly labeling all goons a cancer, comparing us to terrorists, etc, and I'd rather not see the same thing done to the innocent amongst them. More importantly I'd be upset at anything that ruined my chance to enjoy an in-game battle with my alliance against another alliance I have felt took things to a personal level unnecessarily last summer. I still remember that stuff said about us last summer by BoB leaders and the hypocracy of comments about goonswarm not caring about the EVE community and being a cancer on it while BoB was receving inside information and T2 BPOs is not lost on me in the slightest. Yes looking back the irony is strong is it not... BoB did their holy crusade against Goons on the very pretext that they had overstepped the boundaries of what is acceptable within EVE. Well.... whaddya know huh.... However there is a crucial difference... Goons can be accused of poor taste.. but they cannot be accused of looking the other way in the face of developer collusion. In my books the accusations BoB is faced with are far worse... they attack the very point of playing a fiercely competitive pvp game like EVE where even the smallest advantage can have a ripple effect with unforseen consequences. And IMO some big sweeping punishment from CCP should be forthcoming.. if for no other reason than to protect the meritocracy inherent in the EVE system.. where through collective effort things can be achieved and competitiveness on an alliance scale is not determined by whether you have devs onboard or not. Cause if EVE is not a true meritocracy.. I don't wanna be here. We got enough of that crap in RL. Nez is eve's ultimate Bill Clinton. He jsut goes which ever way the wind is blowing. sad sad sad

Zarin	Posted - 2007.02.13 06:21:00 - [261] Originally by: Sharmina Originally by: Rahn Altyr Edited by: Rahn Altyr on 13/02/2007 03:09:30 Originally by: CreEDLom Edited by: CreEDLom on 10/02/2007 03:39:20 OK guys can we get a idea of who is on what sides? So far I have. . . -VS- BoB SCA Well I have added Southern Cross Alliance Yeah, but really for how long? 2 weeks then change sides?
Frogzuk Dragonian Freelancers Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 10:02:00 - [262] Originally by: Plutoinum Edited by: Plutoinum on 13/02/2007 03:51:13 Originally by: Frogzuk Those of you that sided with BOB dont get it do you. Bob has said in the past that 'THEY' want to own all of 0.0, so with this in mind those of you jumping on the lets defend BoB bandwagon will either 1) become their pets if they were to win 2) become their targets should those fighting BoB lose GL everyone and lets have more smack free pew pew Well, if I take into account that the enemy took your space and you just joined his side after that, I find it a bit funny. Seems not to hurt to get assimilated. /me points to my history, nuff said really. So the decision as to which side i took wasnt really an issue, after fighting both RA and BOB i have a hell a lot more respect for RA tbh so thats leaves the issue of do DGF sit on the sidelines and watch history unfold or should we pick a side and take part ? DGF nor I will never be a BoB puppet/fanboi lets have plenty of pew pew and perhaps CoW could show some balls by actually bringing some 'real' ships to the fight instead of nanoing all over the place. LV and Bob have a nice history of stabbing people in the back, I am pretty sure that if it wasnt for BoB's onslaught on ASCN,then it would not had been RA/Goons etel that V would need to had worried about - you have sided with the side that were looking to quite happily stab V in the back ........ intel i received at that time suggested that ASCN were gearing for war against V and LV were gonna side on the side and watch the onslaught ... speculation you may say, but my source is good... so .... Plutoinum what it like to lay in the bed with the real enemies of V ? Froggy
Minuz1 Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.13 10:25:00 - [263] Edited by: Minuz1 on 13/02/2007 10:27:38 Originally by: Frogzuk Me points to my history, nuff said really. So the decision as to which side i took wasnt really an issue, after fighting both RA and BOB i have a hell a lot more respect for RA tbh so thats leaves the issue of do DGF sit on the sidelines and watch history unfold or should we pick a side and take part ? Have you listened to remedials pep talk/speech? In that he confirms that after LV, BoB would be the next target? Now if your alliance had some balls and would be threatend like that....wouldn't you fight alongside someone who's already at war with them? As soon as BoB heard about this I'm pretty sure they said to themselfs...."ok either we fight them now....or we wait until the war between them and LV will come to an end and wait for them to attack us, hey maybe LV will win or the war will last over decades" It was a logical step for them to band with us to fight a common enemy alongside us. Originally by: Frogzuk DGF nor I will never be a BoB puppet/fanboi lets have plenty of pew pew and perhaps CoW could show some balls by actually bringing some 'real' ships to the fight instead of nanoing all over the place. Sure....as soon as your side brings a single titan into play...they'll lay off nanofibers :P Originally by: Frogzuk LV and Bob have a nice history of stabbing people in the back, I am pretty sure that if it wasnt for BoB's onslaught on ASCN,then it would not had been RA/Goons etel that V would need to had worried about - you have sided with the side that were looking to quite happily stab V in the back ........ For every action we have taken against "former" friends there have been reasons....maybe some that don't fit your bill....but reasons that LV's high command thought to justify war dec's (we never lay in siege against our victims of "betrayals") which would be a logical things to do if were to betray them. Originally by: Frogzuk intel i received at that time suggested that ASCN were gearing for war against V and LV were gonna side on the side and watch the onslaught ... speculation you may say, but my source is good... so .... Plutoinum what it like to lay in the bed with the real enemies of V ? You can probably have a ASCN High command member talk about this....the answers should be pretty straight since the alliance is no more. (ohh and btw France thought about trading Louisianna to Denmark for Iceland some centuries ago) --I've answered all these questions with hopes of bringing the intellect to a higher level...please try to come up with something that hasn't been tried to be explained in dozens of other posts.....I think about everybody on the cluster knows that you think we backstab our allies.....MOVE ALONG!!! The Tech 2 Lottery is rigged, In my favor!
Nastratu Minmatar Serefon Creatin	Posted - 2007.02.13 10:32:00 - [264] Given the following two premises: 1. A few of BoB members might have knowingly collaborated with the dishonest dev. 2. All those who knowingly collaborated with the dishonest dev are cheaters, they suck big time and should be banned because they can never be trusted. Datermine whether the following statement is true or false: Therefore all BoB members suck big time and should be banned because none of them can ever be trusted. If you picked 'True' as your answer, congratulations, you just failed the IQ logic test and earned yourself a total score of about 62 corresponding to about 0.0003% of EVE population. Have a nice day arguing here on the forums about it!
Frogzuk Dragonian Freelancers Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 10:53:00 - [265] Quote: --I've answered all these questions with hopes of bringing the intellect to a higher level...please try to come up with something that hasn't been tried to be explained in dozens of other posts.....I think about everybody on the cluster knows that you think we backstab our allies.....MOVE ALONG!!! I just love the immaturity sometimes with quotes like 'move along' As for listening to remedial pep i am deaf so listening isnt something i can do rather well.... Titans, dont make me laugh, they are the most boring ship to be bought to the battle field, hell yea anyone with the skills can sit in a system and hit a button to destroy x number of ships, but thats not really pvp is it, more like PVS player verus space anything in the way goes pop <yawn>
Minuz1 Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.13 11:07:00 - [266] Originally by: Frogzuk Quote: --I've answered all these questions with hopes of bringing the intellect to a higher level...please try to come up with something that hasn't been tried to be explained in dozens of other posts.....I think about everybody on the cluster knows that you think we backstab our allies.....MOVE ALONG!!! I just love the immaturity sometimes with quotes like 'move along' As for listening to remedial pep i am deaf so listening isnt something i can do rather well.... Titans, dont make me laugh, they are the most boring ship to be bought to the battle field, hell yea anyone with the skills can sit in a system and hit a button to destroy x number of ships, but thats not really pvp is it, more like PVS player verus space anything in the way goes pop <yawn> Noone in LV is bored by our Titans....I fully admit it must suck to have to fly back home every time someone hits 1 button.....Dreadnoughts I think are the undisputed most boring ships ever! (I've sat over 50h's looking at POS's going down while listening to Bj÷rk)....and only seen like 20 mins of action in total so far. You prefer "get over it" or "We get it already" ? The Tech 2 Lottery is rigged, In my favor!
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 11:27:00 - [267] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 12/02/2007 13:52:51 Originally by: Frogzuk Those of you that sided with BOB dont get it do you. Bob has said in the past that 'THEY' want to own all of 0.0, so with this in mind those of you jumping on the lets defend BoB bandwagon will either Wait a minute... and everyone else doesn't? I have a hard time believing that the anti-BoB NAPwagon is going to just attack BoB, kill them, and then leave and not touch the space they owned . I would much rather Band of Brothers own all of 0.0 than Goonfleet, regardless, though I doubt either will ever happen. I'm faird your pretty much uber wrong here. Let me point out. BOB owns all of the stations that thier pets live out of(Xelas is the only exception). Yous live in bobs space. Remember this now. GoonFleet don't own al of the stations that their allies base in. So they are not pets. You could come bac kand say same thing about Xelas having the same right but they always attack and help defend bob. You could also say MC, but those forces live insideBoB sapce. And thats why you are wrong. The other alliances, RA, CA, GoonFleet control their own space with their own boundaries. About BOB owning all of space. BOB's threat can be taken seriously, however I doubt they will be able to do such a thing. Nor anyoneelse in the EVE galaxy. AND PLEASE CHANGE THE TITLE TO ::: "Galactic EVE war II" or something WIHT A TWO. The fist was CA vs. everyone. Pwnage PvP Recruitment \m/ Metal Head \m/
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.13 11:42:00 - [268] Edited by: Plutoinum on 13/02/2007 11:45:58 Originally by: Frogzuk DGF nor I will never be a BoB puppet/fanboi lets have plenty of pew pew and perhaps CoW could show some balls by actually bringing some 'real' ships to the fight instead of nanoing all over the place. Not that a 15+ CA gang with at least one nanophoon tried to gank me this morning while I was ratting. Tbh, first I understood it wrong with 'bring some real ships' and loled, because the last times we were in GW with real ships, like a 30-40 people gang of mostly BS, we got either no response or a frig cruiser response from CA. Seemed almost familiar to the last weeks in -V-: People flying crap and LD saying: 'Guys, we need more BS !' When we form a cow fleet, it's more like: 'Sh!t, everyone in BS, we don't have tacklers.' Ok, enough smack. Hehe. Cu in space. And don't forget, GW is a warzone !
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Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.02.13 14:15:00 - [270] O.k cleaned this thread AGAIN Any posts that talk about dev misconduct no matter if its a joke, small comment or anything else will be removed, lets not derail a good thread. - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| Email us \| Wikipedia Entry They call me "Hutch" because my name is well... long


Streber Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.02.13 14:22:00 - [271] Edited by: Streber on 13/02/2007 14:19:07 Originally by: Kaeten Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 12/02/2007 13:52:51 Originally by: Frogzuk Those of you that sided with BOB dont get it do you. Bob has said in the past that 'THEY' want to own all of 0.0, so with this in mind those of you jumping on the lets defend BoB bandwagon will either Wait a minute... and everyone else doesn't? I have a hard time believing that the anti-BoB NAPwagon is going to just attack BoB, kill them, and then leave and not touch the space they owned . I would much rather Band of Brothers own all of 0.0 than Goonfleet, regardless, though I doubt either will ever happen. I'm faird your pretty much uber wrong here. Let me point out. BOB owns all of the stations that thier pets live out of(Xelas is the only exception). Yous live in bobs space. Remember this now. GoonFleet don't own al of the stations that their allies base in. So they are not pets. You could come bac kand say same thing about Xelas having the same right but they always attack and help defend bob. You could also say MC, but those forces live insideBoB sapce. And thats why you are wrong. The other alliances, RA, CA, GoonFleet control their own space with their own boundaries. About BOB owning all of space. BOB's threat can be taken seriously, however I doubt they will be able to do such a thing. Nor anyoneelse in the EVE galaxy. You cant claim to control your own space when your only there because your masters tolerate you. AND PLEASE CHANGE THE TITLE TO ::: "Galactic EVE war II" or something WIHT A TWO. The fist was CA vs. everyone. Not a single one of your souther coalition is capable of controlling their own space. Please tell me how Goon could possibly have taken Scalding Pass without TCF and RA cap ships? With all 6 Goon dreadnaughts? Wow.
Kelron Neesna Diligent Souls	Posted - 2007.02.13 14:52:00 - [272] Originally by: Kaeten I'm faird your pretty much uber wrong here. Let me point out. BOB owns all of the stations that thier pets live out of(Xelas is the only exception). Yous live in bobs space. Remember this now. What about FIX? They own their own station as well. As do MC (although, I'm not so sure you can count MC as a "pet" lol). In time, RISE will have their own outposts in time, I'm sure.
Tod Klemp Gallente K-Street Project	Posted - 2007.02.13 15:07:00 - [273] Originally by: Kelron Neesna Originally by: Kaeten I'm faird your pretty much uber wrong here. Let me point out. BOB owns all of the stations that thier pets live out of(Xelas is the only exception). Yous live in bobs space. Remember this now. What about FIX? They own their own station as well. As do MC (although, I'm not so sure you can count MC as a "pet" lol). In time, RISE will have their own outposts in time, I'm sure. I actually took the time to look at the ingame sov map and who owns what. Lets jsut say that FIX/Xelas/MC arent the only ones who own their own stations in the bob empire. It's jsut that the ati-bob posters are the usual half-wits that dont actually do research before making their opionins, let alone a forum post. It just makes the whole coalition looked like retards tbqh from where I stand.
Dionisius Gallente SpearMint Rhino GentleMen's Club	Posted - 2007.02.13 15:39:00 - [274] Edited by: Dionisius on 13/02/2007 15:35:40 Originally by: DiuxDium Prediction: BoB will create a stand still, not because they're being beaten, but because they understand the nature of band wagoners. The moment those on the band wagon begin to lose ships, without killing any BoB, they'll begin falling off one by one. Slowly the "Coalition" will fall apart. People will lose interest, the "passion" they're showing now is really nothing more than the same passion a 12 year old boy shows for his newest toy. It will pass, as all things do. The thing that won't pass though, is BoB's will to dominate. So they shall. You can't stop a force such as BoB with a bit of bandwagon knee-jerk fools. Enjoy your little "Fighting the evil BoB(D)" party. It won't last. I eagerly away the "Omg BoD r haxing again lol so we quit cuss noh worth playing". Mmmmmmm, humble pie be cooking. You don't seem to grasp the kind of feelings towards BoB most of these alliances have. You probably don't know what is to be driven out of your home system just because the 12 year old kids (BoB) felt bored about you and decided that was time for you to leave. You see, what made so many corps and some alliances fail against BoB is the lack of unity really, because BoB are more fragile than they look, if you had, lets say D2, Goons, E-R, MM, IAC, AAA, RA, CWAR, TCT, IRON, Horde, Insurgency and some more to come and actually start blowing POS's, declaring all out war even in empire and invading Fountain/Delve, BoB would be no more. Celest almost won the last war in fountain core i give that to them, probably the most brilliant move in tactical terms i ever saw, just by uniting so many diferent corps. The thing is if people stop looking to themselves and start looking at the whole picture, its not so difficult to understand that, despite the bobits are skilled fighters they are also subject to being shot down if enough and well organized people come to fight them. BoB do not have the power to create a standstill and are not used to loosing, so as long as the Goons keep pushing it, as long as D2 and Horde keep shooting Xelas, but most importantly shooting The Ronin, Fix and others taking care of fountain and causing havoc, bob sooner or later will have to retreat. The thing is i believe these alliances have more than enough power and experience people to acomplish such a task, only thing left is a real sense of comon objectives and unity towards they acomplishment. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Powdder CL0CKW0RK 0RANGE	Posted - 2007.02.13 15:40:00 - [275] Originally by: Beyond Horizon Originally by: Bural dont forget to add CCP and ISD to BOB side It's not funny when a system starts lagging and crashing all of a sudden when only 100 bob jump into a system and you can't log back in :( Especially when just seconds before your jump in you had perfect stable game with 0 lag with 200 friendlies in local :D now that's fckd up what you thought ascn/bob war was a hoax?? same crap all over again....
Aelena Thraant Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 15:58:00 - [276] Originally by: Dionisius Celest almost won the last war in fountain core i give that to them, probably the most brilliant move in tactical terms i ever saw, just by uniting so many diferent corps. You have got to be kidding. Celest didn't do crap. It was STK that made it possible. Without ASCN's help they wouldn't have even taken PNQY. And after a couple of weeks they didn't even fuel their poses and Xelas took PNQY back. We fought Celest every day and they were no way close to wining fountain. If I'm not mistaken there are 4 stations in fountain that are not NPC stations. They took 1 station for maybe 2 weeks. Originally by: Dionisius The thing is if people stop looking to themselves and start looking at the whole picture, its not so difficult to understand that, despite the bobits are skilled fighters they are also subject to being shot down if enough and well organized people come to fight them. BoB do not have the power to create a standstill and are not used to loosing, so as long as the Goons keep pushing it, as long as D2 and Horde keep shooting Xelas, but most importantly shooting The Ronin, Fix and others taking care of fountain and causing havoc, bob sooner or later will have to retreat. The thing is i believe these alliances have more than enough power and experience people to acomplish such a task, only thing left is a real sense of comon objectives and unity towards they acomplishment. Well I think the forces in fountain are doing a great job of holding our own. We have saved every pos that I know of and have reinforced station systems. D2 has a sizable capital fleet I'll give them that but without that titan they would have lost one or two capitals on Saturday and at least one fleet fight that was lost because of it.... Now if Titan's doomsdays weren't so overpowered they wouldn't have the i-win button (tm) - And Yes i think the doomsdays on titans need to be changed for all titans not just d2's I just love how everyone tries to spin things.
Dionisius Gallente SpearMint Rhino GentleMen's Club	Posted - 2007.02.13 16:37:00 - [277] Edited by: Dionisius on 13/02/2007 16:40:04 Originally by: Aelena Thraant You have got to be kidding. Celest didn't do crap. It was STK that made it possible. Without ASCN's help they wouldn't have even taken PNQY. And after a couple of weeks they didn't even fuel their poses and Xelas took PNQY back. We fought Celest every day and they were no way close to wining fountain. If I'm not mistaken there are 4 stations in fountain that are not NPC stations. They took 1 station for maybe 2 weeks. First things first, i was there and the first sight of Xelas fighting i saw was 3 of them cruisers getting blasted to oblivion by 2 Estabelishment Heavy Assault Ships in their own "controlled" system. Secondly, you and everyone, couldn't pass trough A1-CON and YZ-LQL without passing trough Celest gatecamps wich were daily need i remind you. Third, the only guys holding their own was The Huns, you only hid inside NPC stations or your station in PNQ or G95. STK and CELEST combined had the power, the ships and the people to crush the pathetic Xelas alliance anytime, not STK alone, neither Celest alone. Oh and btw, they took your system and your station for 2 weeks, you took...alot of losses. Originally by: Aelena Thraant Well I think the forces in fountain are doing a great job of holding our own. We have saved every pos that I know of and have reinforced station systems. D2 has a sizable capital fleet I'll give them that but without that titan they would have lost one or two capitals on Saturday and at least one fleet fight that was lost because of it.... Now if Titan's doomsdays weren't so overpowered they wouldn't have the i-win button (tm) - And Yes i think the doomsdays on titans need to be changed for all titans not just d2's I just love how everyone tries to spin things. Err, you do realise that BoB and MC have a capital fleet also, and they use the Titans also, and well a Doomsday does exactly what it says, blast alot of ships into oblivion so cut the whining. D2 has also alot of experienced fighters as both sides have, do not distort things, if D2 uses their capital ships wisely then good going D2. Edit: One more thing, i always forget someting, its not, again, Xelas that is holding the ground on fountain, its some bob forces, The Ronin and Corelum Sindicate, without them you would have lost fountain to Celest, youwhat, E-R, Horde and others. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Aelena Thraant Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 18:49:00 - [278] Originally by: Dionisius Edited by: Dionisius on 13/02/2007 16:40:04 Originally by: Aelena Thraant You have got to be kidding. Celest didn't do crap. It was STK that made it possible. Without ASCN's help they wouldn't have even taken PNQY. And after a couple of weeks they didn't even fuel their poses and Xelas took PNQY back. We fought Celest every day and they were no way close to wining fountain. If I'm not mistaken there are 4 stations in fountain that are not NPC stations. They took 1 station for maybe 2 weeks. First things first, i was there and the first sight of Xelas fighting i saw was 3 of them cruisers getting blasted to oblivion by 2 Estabelishment Heavy Assault Ships in their own "controlled" system. Secondly, you and everyone, couldn't pass trough A1-CON and YZ-LQL without passing trough Celest gatecamps wich were daily need i remind you. Third, the only guys holding their own was The Huns, you only hid inside NPC stations or your station in PNQ or G95. STK and CELEST combined had the power, the ships and the people to crush the pathetic Xelas alliance anytime, not STK alone, neither Celest alone. Oh and btw, they took your system and your station for 2 weeks, you took...alot of losses. Originally by: Aelena Thraant Well I think the forces in fountain are doing a great job of holding our own. We have saved every pos that I know of and have reinforced station systems. D2 has a sizable capital fleet I'll give them that but without that titan they would have lost one or two capitals on Saturday and at least one fleet fight that was lost because of it.... Now if Titan's doomsdays weren't so overpowered they wouldn't have the i-win button (tm) - And Yes i think the doomsdays on titans need to be changed for all titans not just d2's I just love how everyone tries to spin things. Err, you do realise that BoB and MC have a capital fleet also, and they use the Titans also, and well a Doomsday does exactly what it says, blast alot of ships into oblivion so cut the whining. D2 has also alot of experienced fighters as both sides have, do not distort things, if D2 uses their capital ships wisely then good going D2. Edit: One more thing, i always forget someting, its not, again, Xelas that is holding the ground on fountain, its some bob forces, The Ronin and Corelum Sindicate, without them you would have lost fountain to Celest, youwhat, E-R, Horde and others. If you look at my ticker you will see we are no longer with Xelas. Did celest own core... Sometimes yes. Mostly during euro times and near the beginning of January some times during US times but we fought them and got 569 kills in January for Shadows of the Dead only... Not sure about the rest of the friends around. Now we don't claim to be an elite pvp force but we do like to kill and we try to get as many as we can. Youwhat as far as I know never really showed their faces, The Ronin are - to us so they didn't help things, Corelum Sindicate and Slacker Industries really helped... I'll give you that. Celest brought us a lot of targets in Fountain I will give them that. And it's been fun killing them. If you notice the only 2 left now are statecorp and a few zenith affinity. The rest have packed up and left.... Even celest from what I hear. Luckily D2 decided to come join in on the fun and so we have more targets though sometimes our small alliance gets outblobed in core and there isn't much we can do... Especially when the titan is in system but we do fight when we can and will keep doing so until we have nothing left but an ibis to fight with. And that's the nice thing about core... You can never kick anyone out of it. You can always come back... though that works both ways.
Aelena Thraant Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 18:49:00 - [279] Originally by: Dionisius Edited by: Dionisius on 13/02/2007 16:40:04 Originally by: Aelena Thraant You have got to be kidding. Celest didn't do crap. It was STK that made it possible. Without ASCN's help they wouldn't have even taken PNQY. And after a couple of weeks they didn't even fuel their poses and Xelas took PNQY back. We fought Celest every day and they were no way close to wining fountain. If I'm not mistaken there are 4 stations in fountain that are not NPC stations. They took 1 station for maybe 2 weeks. First things first, i was there and the first sight of Xelas fighting i saw was 3 of them cruisers getting blasted to oblivion by 2 Estabelishment Heavy Assault Ships in their own "controlled" system. Secondly, you and everyone, couldn't pass trough A1-CON and YZ-LQL without passing trough Celest gatecamps wich were daily need i remind you. Third, the only guys holding their own was The Huns, you only hid inside NPC stations or your station in PNQ or G95. STK and CELEST combined had the power, the ships and the people to crush the pathetic Xelas alliance anytime, not STK alone, neither Celest alone. Oh and btw, they took your system and your station for 2 weeks, you took...alot of losses. Originally by: Aelena Thraant Well I think the forces in fountain are doing a great job of holding our own. We have saved every pos that I know of and have reinforced station systems. D2 has a sizable capital fleet I'll give them that but without that titan they would have lost one or two capitals on Saturday and at least one fleet fight that was lost because of it.... Now if Titan's doomsdays weren't so overpowered they wouldn't have the i-win button (tm) - And Yes i think the doomsdays on titans need to be changed for all titans not just d2's I just love how everyone tries to spin things. Err, you do realise that BoB and MC have a capital fleet also, and they use the Titans also, and well a Doomsday does exactly what it says, blast alot of ships into oblivion so cut the whining. D2 has also alot of experienced fighters as both sides have, do not distort things, if D2 uses their capital ships wisely then good going D2. Edit: One more thing, i always forget someting, its not, again, Xelas that is holding the ground on fountain, its some bob forces, The Ronin and Corelum Sindicate, without them you would have lost fountain to Celest, youwhat, E-R, Horde and others. If you look at my ticker you will see we are no longer with Xelas. Did celest own core... Sometimes yes. Mostly during euro times and near the beginning of January some times during US times but we fought them and got 569 kills in January for Shadows of the Dead only... Not sure about the rest of the friends around. Now we don't claim to be an elite pvp force but we do like to kill and we try to get as many as we can. Youwhat as far as I know never really showed their faces, The Ronin are - to us so they didn't help things, Corelum Sindicate and Slacker Industries really helped... I'll give you that. Celest brought us a lot of targets in Fountain I will give them that. And it's been fun killing them. If you notice the only 2 left now are statecorp and a few zenith affinity. The rest have packed up and left.... Even celest from what I hear. Luckily D2 decided to come join in on the fun and so we have more targets though sometimes our small alliance gets outblobed in core and there isn't much we can do... Especially when the titan is in system but we do fight when we can and will keep doing so until we have nothing left but an ibis to fight with. And that's the nice thing about core... You can never kick anyone out of it. You can always come back... though that works both ways.
Aelena Thraant Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 19:02:00 - [280] Originally by: Dionisius Edited by: Dionisius on 13/02/2007 16:40:04 Oh and btw, they took your system and your station for 2 weeks, you took...alot of Yes Xelas did... But tbh everyone knows Xelas is an industrial alliance and most the pvp corps left.... Like us... If you look on the SOD killboards we had almost a 74% efficiency rating during January. The Xelas carebares did get ganked a lot... Just like the "Friends of Celest" did by us. There were a few fleet fights but most of the time the fighting was either we way outnumbered them or they way outnumbered us. Anyway... back to the topic on hand... Eve War 1... Interesting times ahead I believe... What will become of BoB and their friends... vs the rest of eve (well maybe not all of the rest of eve but sometimes it feels like it based on the forums... time will tell.

Aelena Thraant Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 19:02:00 - [281] Originally by: Dionisius Edited by: Dionisius on 13/02/2007 16:40:04 Oh and btw, they took your system and your station for 2 weeks, you took...alot of Yes Xelas did... But tbh everyone knows Xelas is an industrial alliance and most the pvp corps left.... Like us... If you look on the SOD killboards we had almost a 74% efficiency rating during January. The Xelas carebares did get ganked a lot... Just like the "Friends of Celest" did by us. There were a few fleet fights but most of the time the fighting was either we way outnumbered them or they way outnumbered us. Anyway... back to the topic on hand... Eve War 1... Interesting times ahead I believe... What will become of BoB and their friends... vs the rest of eve (well maybe not all of the rest of eve but sometimes it feels like it based on the forums... time will tell.
Tab'Fren TBC Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 19:16:00 - [282] Originally by: Herculite If this were some evil tinfoil ccp conspiracy they could have just claimed all the BPO's were legit as there are older players with a better collection. Instead they fessed up when they didn't have to. Ahem. Let me remind you that this wasn't a conspiracy until someone at CCP decided that BoB should continue to have the BPOs for 8 months after it was determined that they were illegally obtained. At that point, it was no longer the actions of a single rogue developer. I'm relatively insignificant in the grand scheme of this war, and in the game overall... but I want to make sure I'm clear on something. At this point, I'm not fighting against the forces of Bob and pets (which I'm sure contain many honest players), I'm extracting a pound of flesh from the people who've rigged the game. For every kill I get in-game, it's some small salve to my angst against favoritism. For every loss, I feel less reason to feel angry. I'm not terribly rich, my total assets are prolly worth less than 4 billion. But 4 billion will buy a lot of t1 cruisers and I'm going to spend every single isk... because at this point, I jdgaf what happens 'after'. So lets bring on the pew-pew and can the smack, it's truly the best therapy. Tab'Fren TBC Curse Alliance I speak for me; the corp/alliance can speak for itself.
Tab'Fren TBC Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 19:16:00 - [283] Originally by: Herculite If this were some evil tinfoil ccp conspiracy they could have just claimed all the BPO's were legit as there are older players with a better collection. Instead they fessed up when they didn't have to. Ahem. Let me remind you that this wasn't a conspiracy until someone at CCP decided that BoB should continue to have the BPOs for 8 months after it was determined that they were illegally obtained. At that point, it was no longer the actions of a single rogue developer. I'm relatively insignificant in the grand scheme of this war, and in the game overall... but I want to make sure I'm clear on something. At this point, I'm not fighting against the forces of Bob and pets (which I'm sure contain many honest players), I'm extracting a pound of flesh from the people who've rigged the game. For every kill I get in-game, it's some small salve to my angst against favoritism. For every loss, I feel less reason to feel angry. I'm not terribly rich, my total assets are prolly worth less than 4 billion. But 4 billion will buy a lot of t1 cruisers and I'm going to spend every single isk... because at this point, I jdgaf what happens 'after'. So lets bring on the pew-pew and can the smack, it's truly the best therapy. Tab'Fren TBC Curse Alliance I speak for me; the corp/alliance can speak for itself.
Barsei Cataclysm Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.13 19:41:00 - [284] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 12/02/2007 13:52:51 Originally by: Frogzuk Those of you that sided with BOB dont get it do you. Bob has said in the past that 'THEY' want to own all of 0.0, so with this in mind those of you jumping on the lets defend BoB bandwagon will either Wait a minute... and everyone else doesn't? I have a hard time believing that the anti-BoB NAPwagon is going to just attack BoB, kill them, and then leave and not touch the space they owned . I would much rather Band of Brothers own all of 0.0 than Goonfleet, regardless, though I doubt either will ever happen. hey, when you want to be a pet instead to claim the region for yourself, do it.
Father Weebles North Face Force	Posted - 2007.02.13 20:33:00 - [285] Originally by: Dionisius You see, what made so many corps and some alliances fail against BoB is the lack of unity really, because BoB are more fragile than they look, if you had, lets say D2, Goons, E-R, MM, IAC, AAA, RA, CWAR, TCT, IRON, Horde, Insurgency and some more to come and actually start blowing POS's, declaring all out war even in empire and invading Fountain/Delve, BoB would be no more. So it'd take 15,000+ to take out BOB's 1900? BOB sounds more powerful than u make it out to be... "Welcome to EVE, where inflation is out of control."
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.13 20:47:00 - [286] Originally by: Dionisius lets say D2, Goons, E-R, MM, IAC, AAA, RA, CWAR, TCT, IRON, Horde, Insurgency and some more to come and actually start blowing POS's, declaring all out war even in empire and invading Fountain/Delve, BoB would be no more. What do you mean actually start POS's are burning, where you been And yes having the Titan in system to protect our capitals is a good tactic, it also means we dont have to completely overblob the system Not all fights will involve capital fleets, for example, 1hour ago, LBGI-2 was witness to a very nice little fleet engagement Good fight RKK EVOL and BNC o7 Tears will stream down your face, when you lose something you can not replace
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.13 20:47:00 - [287] Originally by: Dionisius lets say D2, Goons, E-R, MM, IAC, AAA, RA, CWAR, TCT, IRON, Horde, Insurgency and some more to come and actually start blowing POS's, declaring all out war even in empire and invading Fountain/Delve, BoB would be no more. What do you mean actually start POS's are burning, where you been And yes having the Titan in system to protect our capitals is a good tactic, it also means we dont have to completely overblob the system Not all fights will involve capital fleets, for example, 1hour ago, LBGI-2 was witness to a very nice little fleet engagement Good fight RKK EVOL and BNC o7 Tears will stream down your face, when you lose something you can not replace
DARK DAY Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.02.13 21:20:00 - [288] Originally by: Tab'Fren Ahem. Let me remind you that this wasn't a conspiracy until someone at CCP decided that BoB should continue to have the BPOs for 8 months after it was determined that they were illegally obtained. At that point, it was no longer the actions of a single rogue developer. I'm relatively insignificant in the grand scheme of this war, and in the game overall... but I want to make sure I'm clear on something. At this point, I'm not fighting against the forces of Bob and pets (which I'm sure contain many honest players), I'm extracting a pound of flesh from the people who've rigged the game. For every kill I get in-game, it's some small salve to my angst against favoritism. For every loss, I feel less reason to feel angry. I'm not terribly rich, my total assets are prolly worth less than 4 billion. But 4 billion will buy a lot of t1 cruisers and I'm going to spend every single isk... because at this point, I jdgaf what happens 'after'. So lets bring on the pew-pew and can the smack, it's truly the best therapy. Tab'Fren TBC Curse Alliance I speak for me; the corp/alliance can speak for itself. Ok, so help me with this one. If BOB win this war will you stop playing couse you will be definalty sure CCP help BoB all over. If so, good. But i have a feeling that all this ppl "HONESTLY" bealiving with all this crap posted all over will still continue to play. Why? Ebay 4tw In that scenario result will be that some ppl really dont care about "cheating" as long they can profit in the end
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.13 21:20:00 - [289] Originally by: Father Weebles So it'd take 15,000+ to take out BOB's 1900? BOB sounds more powerful than u make it out to be... Yes, because we're all ganging up on just BoB.
Fry Star	Posted - 2007.02.13 21:22:00 - [290] Edited by: Fry Star on 13/02/2007 21:18:54 all the bob vassals and alt corps and what have you are coming out of the woodwork, the numbers are not even, I'm not claiming that, but they are a darn sight closer than just a simple alliance count makes out ;)

Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 21:54:00 - [291] Originally by: Father Weebles Originally by: Dionisius You see, what made so many corps and some alliances fail against BoB is the lack of unity really, because BoB are more fragile than they look, if you had, lets say D2, Goons, E-R, MM, IAC, AAA, RA, CWAR, TCT, IRON, Horde, Insurgency and some more to come and actually start blowing POS's, declaring all out war even in empire and invading Fountain/Delve, BoB would be no more. So it'd take 15,000+ to take out BOB's 1900? BOB sounds more powerful than u make it out to be... we are not only shooting bob. Pwnage PvP Recruitment \m/ Metal Head \m/
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.13 21:58:00 - [292] You can't just count alliances, who have picked a side. Some are directly in the middle of this, some are not. We are not directly involved, since we don't have the numbers to send big fleets into the heat and do our contribution to lag out the nodes. We are currently continuing to 'poke' primarily CA and shoot their allies ofc. when were we meet them. More might follow though. I envy LV and BoB a bit that they can kill goons all day long.
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 22:05:00 - [293] Originally by: Plutoinum You can't just count alliances, who have picked a side. Some are directly in the middle of this, some are not. We are not directly involved, since we don't have the numbers to send big fleets into the heat and do our contribution to lag out the nodes. We are currently continuing to 'poke' primarily CA and shoot their allies ofc. when were we meet them. More might follow though. I envy LV and BoB a bit that they can kill goons all day long. Well tbh this two side thing makes things abit more easy to look at as it's either them or us. Little alliances going around in ganks squads scoring kills for themselfs might not help directly but yous do have an impact depending on what side your shooting. Since your only shooting one side (atm?) you considered on the other side. Pwnage PvP Recruitment \m/ Metal Head \m/
Mendibara The Merchant Marines Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2007.02.13 22:07:00 - [294] I have only been playing for a couple months, so you can see my fresh perspective. I'm not sure where my corp or alliance falls into all this, and to be honest, I could really care less. I came to the forums to find better ways to play the game, but all I find is a bunch of whiny wimps. If you donÆt like a group in the game, go talk to the other groups, band together, get off you lazy butts and do it. I hear talk about "insider information" but you post everything you are doing on the web for every idiot to see. If you really want to win, the element of surprise is by far the best tactical move ever. All you are doing is lining up in a row in a bunch of 'red coats' waiting to get shot! I'm not sure who are all the groups posting are, but it doesnÆt matter if you are MIC or KEY or even MOUSE, no one is 100% innocent. Is there anyone here that can guarantee that EVERY person in their group, alliance or corp. has never cheated? Not one single person bought some isk online? Stole from another player? Never Macro mined? Raped some noob over by charging way too much money of something? Killed some Noob, lost in his rookie ship in 0.4 areas or below instead of helping him find his way back? That they have NEVER done anything wrong? That every person is the perfect example of honor? Now for the people who are surprised that a Dev know whatÆs going on in the game and knows what is going to happen in future patches.... THE DEV CREATE THE GAME! Of course they know whatÆs going to happen; they write the code that makes it happen! Every ship you have and every gun you shoot was developed by a Dev before you even knew what it was. I have not played a game yet where the Devs could not get their characters some sort of ubber buffs/cheats/stats. IF you really want the Devs attention, stopping paying them money to play their game. This will get their attention, fix the game or not have a job. For those people who just want to fight... create two new alliances. Call one the Alliance for Defense and the other the Alliance for Attack. Pick two systems right next to each other, stage in your areas and have a great big war every month. If you get tired one try the other side. You can coordinate strategies and have free for alls, frig only battles, BS only battles, or what ever else you want. You might even be surprised at how much better you would get by all the practice because you can set up your battle to work on you weak points and strategies. Either way I think it would feel more rewarding than sitting in a 1.0 secure area with 5 BS and 5 other T2 ships trying to kill noobs in rookie ships who just started, donÆt know what happened with their corps in the past and barely know how to play. (And I still took out 12 of your heavy drones on my way out) So you want to chew on old stale vomit, feel free. If you want to have more fun in the game, do it. If you want to take your T2 ships and kill noobs with no defense, go for it, I hope it makes you feel like a real man. But for me, I think I'm just going to go back and play the game. If you want to stay and chat on the forum, thank you, because you are not in game causing lag. If you want to write me a reply donÆt bother, I'm not going to waste my time reading this tripe anymore. Personally, I hope the they come out with T3 ships and only give them to the NPC's and have a mass attack on every 0.3 and below system. Retaking low security space might be just give you all somthing to do rather than complain. "Had I not already know I was dead, I would have mourned the loss of my life." Oto Dokan
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.13 23:54:00 - [295] Originally by: Mendibara I have only been playing for a couple months, ...stuff... I dont have a flying scooby doo.. Welcome to EVE Tears will stream down your face, when you lose something you can not replace
Cudeiro Amarr Princeps Corp	Posted - 2007.02.14 01:59:00 - [296] Edited by: Cudeiro on 14/02/2007 01:58:20 Bleh, you cant defeat BoD, the "D" is the key...key of "UNLIMITED POWERRRRR!!!!". It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Fuujin Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2007.02.14 02:03:00 - [297] Anyone else find the Revelations trailer incredibly fitting for this war?
VossKarr Caldari The 6th Directorate	Posted - 2007.02.14 02:37:00 - [298] Edited by: VossKarr on 14/02/2007 02:34:20 Originally by: Troubadour Besides, i'm sure if devs were doing stuff like making nodes and players crash in bob's favor, someone at CCP would of noticed by now. Oh, I'm sure they would've! They would've also informed us about it, no doubt! Just like they informed us back in July 2006 that several T2 BPOs had been given to BoB by a corrupt Dev... Oh, wait!
Tab'Fren TBC Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.14 03:38:00 - [299] Originally by: DARK DAY Ok, so help me with this one. If BOB win this war will you stop playing couse you will be definalty sure CCP help BoB all over. If so, good. I didn't say I'd quit if BoB won and I certainly didn't say 'the only way BoB could win would be by cheating'... so go grind your axe elseswhere. What I said was that I'm not keeping anything in 'reserve' and don't particularly care how the politics/sov plays out months from now... so lets make with the pew-pew and let the killboards do the smackin'.
Lance Tyr Minmatar Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.14 04:27:00 - [300] Originally by: Mendibara I have only been playing for a couple months, so you can see my fresh perspective. I'm not sure where my corp or alliance falls into all this, and to be honest, I could really care less. I came to the forums to find better ways to play the game, but all I find is a bunch of whiny wimps. If you donÆt like a group in the game, go talk to the other groups, band together, get off you lazy butts and do it. I hear talk about "insider information" but you post everything you are doing on the web for every idiot to see. If you really want to win, the element of surprise is by far the best tactical move ever. All you are doing is lining up in a row in a bunch of 'red coats' waiting to get shot! I'm not sure who are all the groups posting are, but it doesnÆt matter if you are MIC or KEY or even MOUSE, no one is 100% innocent. Is there anyone here that can guarantee that EVERY person in their group, alliance or corp. has never cheated? Not one single person bought some isk online? Stole from another player? Never Macro mined? Raped some noob over by charging way too much money of something? Killed some Noob, lost in his rookie ship in 0.4 areas or below instead of helping him find his way back? That they have NEVER done anything wrong? That every person is the perfect example of honor? Now for the people who are surprised that a Dev know whatÆs going on in the game and knows what is going to happen in future patches.... THE DEV CREATE THE GAME! Of course they know whatÆs going to happen; they write the code that makes it happen! Every ship you have and every gun you shoot was developed by a Dev before you even knew what it was. I have not played a game yet where the Devs could not get their characters some sort of ubber buffs/cheats/stats. IF you really want the Devs attention, stopping paying them money to play their game. This will get their attention, fix the game or not have a job. For those people who just want to fight... create two new alliances. Call one the Alliance for Defense and the other the Alliance for Attack. Pick two systems right next to each other, stage in your areas and have a great big war every month. If you get tired one try the other side. You can coordinate strategies and have free for alls, frig only battles, BS only battles, or what ever else you want. You might even be surprised at how much better you would get by all the practice because you can set up your battle to work on you weak points and strategies. Either way I think it would feel more rewarding than sitting in a 1.0 secure area with 5 BS and 5 other T2 ships trying to kill noobs in rookie ships who just started, donÆt know what happened with their corps in the past and barely know how to play. (And I still took out 12 of your heavy drones on my way out) So you want to chew on old stale vomit, feel free. If you want to have more fun in the game, do it. If you want to take your T2 ships and kill noobs with no defense, go for it, I hope it makes you feel like a real man. But for me, I think I'm just going to go back and play the game. If you want to stay and chat on the forum, thank you, because you are not in game causing lag. If you want to write me a reply donÆt bother, I'm not going to waste my time reading this tripe anymore. Personally, I hope the they come out with T3 ships and only give them to the NPC's and have a mass attack on every 0.3 and below system. Retaking low security space might be just give you all somthing to do rather than complain. you used to play wow didn't you. There is a lot more going on than you know about. These wars have a lot of history.

Chin'Mei	Posted - 2007.02.14 12:22:00 - [301] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz BoB MC FIX RISE Xelas LV ISS Never forget Poland! Didnt Poland get overrun by the Germans and/or the Russians in every war? Guess who we have on our side? Poland was actaully the only country to take AND hold Moscow. And about being overrun, better study history a bit more. There was actually only one major conflict decesively lost by Poland against Germany or Russia - II World War. And alot won, like a thirteen year war (which have finally broken Teutonic's Order power) or Polish-Bolshevik's war which stopped reds from flooding the Europe. Back on topic now. I have to say that Galactic War sounds far better than Eve war I. I'm only the watcher though, still too young to take a big part in it. I wish everyone a lot of fun :)
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.14 12:35:00 - [302] EVE WAR 2 NOT 1 Pwnage PvP Recruitment \m/ Metal Head \m/
Sato Khan Caldari Viking Protectorate	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:08:00 - [303] BoB mocks EvE. Dont forget this. Before the proof of Developer influence, before the inquiry by CCP, BoB mocked these forums and everyone in the game brutally, whenever this was hinted at. It has now been proven true. The individual members of BoB may know nothing, may be unable to help their tone of condesention and mockery of the rest of EvE, but their leadership is some of the most disrespectful, goading, inciteful and malicious posters on these forums. When fighting BoB, never forget how much they have mocked you, and just how much they hope and pray you will all lose the guts to finish this job, so they can humiliate you, the rest of EvE, completely and relentlessly from now untill you leave this game. The reason BoB does not post on these forums just now is simple. They dont have a leg to stand on in public, and they will be unable to resist mocking you, the rest of EvE, further, and this will only cause more people to join your cause. BoB doesnt speak, because it cannot trust itself not to humiliate and enrage the rest of the EvE playing community, because this is what BoB plays for. Whenever old tensions between you flare up, old wounds re-opened, and your resolve starts to flag, do not forget the taunting, mocking, ridiculing superiority complex of Band of Brothers, do not forget that it has mocked and humiliated all of EvE that does not follow its lead, do not forget that you are here to destroy this unity, and to take from these players of your game what they have taken from you in space and in discussion forums. They think it is there game, that you are their slaves, their whipping boys, and the electronic laughing stocks and ego expanders. Everything they have claimed, and mocked you relentlessly for is now broken and tainted and lies in the shadow. Finish the job. Do EvE a favour. Break them. Remember all of this when your resolve slackens. Now that the path has been chosen, nothing matters more in our EvE than the defeat of BoB.
Tiwaz Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:38:00 - [304] To Aelena Thraant I really dont remember ur corp or alliance in Fountain before this year. So you lot have been there say 2 months?. CELES was a victim to our own success and behabs the "invite neutral corp" thing. We where in core for say 5 months.. killing well over 5000 xelas and horde ships.. When Core was populated again with you and others. we had allrdy lost more than half our active members do to boredom. If we hadnt, you lot would have gotten a harder time i asure you. So if you pleace.. In my eyes we did VERY well.
Athelas Loraiel Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.15 22:03:00 - [305] /signed. Made me cry. The mockery we all remember too well. Even when it was protected by CCP (ASCN forums revealed anyone? and such practice banished when Kug. opens BoD can of worms.) -------------- On the lookout for /restricted word that means ppl who work on the game/ in BOD disguise. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] -Oiri Yusko
Bastogne Caldari Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.15 23:53:00 - [306] So when this war is over, however it ends, I say we all band together and go wipe out Serenity.
Angel NZ KZ7	Posted - 2007.02.16 00:28:00 - [307] Originally by: Aelena Thraant I just love how everyone tries to spin things. Funny how that works, eh?
Angel NZ KZ7	Posted - 2007.02.16 00:31:00 - [308] Originally by: Major Stormer Edited by: Major Stormer on 10/02/2007 13:54:08 Playtime is over. Time to die. o_0 press my 'good' buttons why doncha <3
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.16 00:43:00 - [309] Originally by: Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc O.k cleaned this thread AGAIN Any posts that talk about dev misconduct no matter if its a joke, small comment or anything else will be removed, lets not derail a good thread. They call me "Hutch" because my name is well...long No, they call you "Hush". Proud?
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.16 00:58:00 - [310] Edited by: welsh wizard on 16/02/2007 00:56:51 Originally by: Aelena Thraant ...There were a few fleet fights but most of the time the fighting was either we way outnumbered them or they way outnumbered us... lol, right. If Celes wanted to continue competing for the outpost they could have with or without STK. Fact is when Celes had a gang of 10 or more BS you didn't move or do anything after the first 2 or 3 fights. In hindsight Celes should have maintained the war-dec and continued with the pressure but as always the legendary Celes attention span won through. They got bored with outpost ping pong and approximately zero US presence and went back to A-1CON. You give Celes no credit where they're deserving. As I've said before, no single alliance has suffered anywhere near as much to one corp as Xelas has to Celes, its easily over 5000 kills now (maybe ATUK came close back in the day but I wasn't around then). Call Celes nothing at your own risk, but don't buy into the BoB forum crap too much, it isn't accurate. Truth be told Celes have bought it everyday for over 3 years, usually against significantly overwhelming numbers. Celes played their game and they played it well, they didn't claim to be space conquering behemoths. They stuck to their principals and ideals and came out with a massive load of kills against all parties and had a great time doing it, that has been their sole objective since day 1. The exit from Fountain and Celes general inactivity was due to some very unfortunate timing, mostly on my behalf. All that stuff about internal troubles, its true but not for the reasons you think it is. Apologies for the layout of this post, its all over the shop but I'm tired. Flame away.

Kashre Minmatar Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.16 03:04:00 - [311] Originally by: Major Stuart Wow that is a big war, is it a unofficial war so the corps dont pay? since i checked bobs war thing and it says they are only at war with the privateer alliance. Universe war 1 ! And are any of the corps in the alliances recruiting? You don't need concord declarations to fight in 0.0, which is what this is all about. Surely at some point there will be plenty of empire wars running around however. +++ "Etiquette is for the Dojo. In war there is only victory or death." - Eiji Yoshikawa
Trivas ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.16 03:25:00 - [312] Originally by: The Matari Members of NPC corporations may not post in this forum - Tirg Apparently Goonswarm is a NPC corp :) Sheesh, sad day when even the Moderators dont respect the goonies. Good luck with LV
Rumbaar Solitary Forsaken	Posted - 2007.02.16 03:49:00 - [313] The Book of Revelations according to EVE 6:1 I saw that the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying, as with a voice of thunder, "Come and see the end of BoD!" 6:2 And behold, a white horse, and RAZOR Alliance who sat on it had a bow. A crown was given to him, and he came forth conquering, and to conquer BoD. 6:3 When he opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, "Come!" 6:4 Another came forth, a red horse. To Goonswarm who sat on it was given power to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another. There was given to him a great sword. 6:5 When he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature saying, "Come and see!" And behold, a black horse, and CCP who sat on it had a balance in his hand. 6:6 I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, "A choenix of wheat for a denarius, and three choenix of barley for a denarius! Don't damage the oil and the wine!" 6:7 When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the fourth living creature saying, "Come and see the end of BoD!" 6:8 And behold, a pale horse, and Dusk to Dawn who sat on it, his name was Death. Hades followed with him. Authority over one fourth of the earth, to kill with the sword, with famine, with death, and by the wild animals of the EVE was given to him. 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been killed for the Word of CCP, and for the testimony of the Lamb which they had. 6:10 They cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, Master, the holy and true, until you judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell in EVE?" 6:11 A long white robe was given to each of them. They were told that they should rest yet for a while, until their fellow servants and their brothers, who would also be killed even as they were, should complete their course. 6:12 I saw when he opened the sixth seal, and there was a great doomsday flash. The sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became as blood. 6:13 The stars of the sky fell, like a fig tree dropping its unripe figs when it is shaken by a great wind. 6:14 The sky was removed like a scroll when it is rolled up. Every station and POS were moved out of their places. 6:15 The CEO's of the BoD, the princes, the commanding officers, the rich, the strong, and every slave and free person, hid themselves in the stations and in the safe spots of the systems. 6:16 They told the POS's and the shields, "Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, 6:17 for the great day of his wrath has come; and who is able to stand?" s come; and who is able to stand?" ___________________ Custom banner? Click above or EVEmail
CODE RED Caldari Phoenix Propulsion Labs Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.23 20:42:00 - [314] So does anyone have a accurate battle map of territory gained/lost? I think it would be intresting to see progress.....or lack of it :) Captain Kryo "CODE RED" Dracon - MIL DIV


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