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Hauler McTote	Posted - 2007.02.15 01:01:00 - [91] Edited by: Hauler McTote on 15/02/2007 01:00:15 I'd just be interested, as said in another thread, to learn some game stats about bpo ownership and quantity(figures, not names). Course, that will never happen, knowing the Iron Curtain mentality, and statistical black hole that is CCP.
Dark Kavar Caldari Even-Flow	Posted - 2007.02.15 02:43:00 - [92] I was thinking mabey they could do something where R and D agents hand them out like normal agent rewards so you actually have to do missions for them, and then have the actual production use more minerals so the production price is more around insurance cost? I haven't thought about it alot though so i'm sure there are problems with my suggestion. Originally by: id rather leave on a good note but I hate my corp and do not want to play with them.
Par'Gellen Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2007.02.15 03:48:00 - [93] Originally by: Jennifer Meek Originally by: Par'Gellen That made me LOL hard. Calling fair competition on an open market "communism" and then looking at your sig of the T2 cargo expander and the infinite wallet balance is just classic. Edit: Oh and if you will actually read more than the first line of my post you will see we are saying the same thing about the prices. T2 BPO's SHOULD be very expensive! I'm glad you found it funny. I meant to make it like that. I'm not hiding anything. If every T2 bpo was on the market, everyone would be producing T2 items, and in a few short weeks every item would be available for the mineral cost, meaning anyone who has invested billions of ISK into these prints will NEVER recoup their costs, and the players who just won the lottery won't make diddly squat. Most supporters of the "seed bpos on market" are simply non-lottery winners, and are probably just jealous. If you want a garanteed T2 bpo, save the ISK and buy one. And again I notice you only read the first line of my post. I totally agree that T2 BPO should be rediculously expensive. Billions and billions! It's the part about them not being available at all to those of us that want to spend that kind of isk on them that I have a problem with. --- CCP : Save my mousewheel!
Novina Agrari	Posted - 2007.02.15 03:53:00 - [94] Want to really make the T2 BPO market fun? Only award BPCs. Never BPOs. Remove T2 BPOs from the game entirely! Invention would take off overnight But hey, that's probably more of a T3 thing. :D
Neesa Corrinne Black Watch Legionnaires Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.15 05:18:00 - [95] Some people are whining about removing the lottery altogether and putting the BPO's on the market instead. I think this would be an incredibly bad idea for reasons that other people have already mentioned in this thread. The lottery itself isn't the bad idea. The bad idea was to put BPO's in the lottery instead of BPC's. BPO's ensure that the people who receive them will be wealthy beyond the rest of our dreams. BPC's would help relieve the frustration of having thousands or RP's and never seeing any benefit from them. Or how about both? Give out some BPO's so that we can always keep the dream of owning one alive, but then hand out BPC's on a more regular basis so that the rest of us can still turn a penny or two every once in a while.
Lubomir Penev Gallente Dark Nexxus	Posted - 2007.02.15 11:04:00 - [96] Edited by: Lubomir Penev on 15/02/2007 11:01:14 Originally by: The Judge Just take an example, do you ring up the national lottery every week and complain to them its not fair you're numbers weren't drawn in the lottery ?? The problem is that EVE is sold as being a free market economy game but that it isn't true if anybody cannot enter it. Says that in real world you want to enter the space MMORPG market, you have to aquire commodities (office space, programmers, designers...) put them to use and eventually you get a result. If you want to enter T2 industry in EVE you have to somehow get hold of a very rare item thru a lottery or the rare (for good BPOs) open sale. That's not a real free market, that's an oligopoly, and people that were sold the game under promises of free market are justifiably not satisfied.
Jennifer Meek Gallente Planck Bubble Generation Technologies	Posted - 2007.02.16 00:50:00 - [97] Edited by: Jennifer Meek on 16/02/2007 00:47:25 Originally by: Par'Gellen And again I notice you only read the first line of my post. I totally agree that T2 BPO should be rediculously expensive. Billions and billions! It's the part about them not being available at all to those of us that want to spend that kind of isk on them that I have a problem with. They are available, you just have to convince the owner to sell it. OMG Noes! I HAVE TO TALK TO ANOTHER PLAYER OMG HOW HORRIBLE OHNOESNOTTHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ---
Ruffio Sepico Minmatar Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2007.02.16 00:54:00 - [98] Originally by: Neesa Corrinne Some people are whining about removing the lottery altogether and putting the BPO's on the market instead. I think this would be an incredibly bad idea for reasons that other people have already mentioned in this thread. The lottery itself isn't the bad idea. The bad idea was to put BPO's in the lottery instead of BPC's. BPO's ensure that the people who receive them will be wealthy beyond the rest of our dreams. BPC's would help relieve the frustration of having thousands or RP's and never seeing any benefit from them. Or how about both? Give out some BPO's so that we can always keep the dream of owning one alive, but then hand out BPC's on a more regular basis so that the rest of us can still turn a penny or two every once in a while. The alternative to get lucky with bpo through R&D agents, is invention. If you didnt get lucky you could always gather the isk and try buy a tech2 bpo from those who get lucky and sell theirs. Or you could explore the invention path. Yes, Invention is a bit flawed, but its still an option. Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
Par'Gellen Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2007.02.16 01:18:00 - [99] Edited by: Par''Gellen on 16/02/2007 01:15:32 Originally by: Jennifer Meek Edited by: Jennifer Meek on 16/02/2007 00:47:25 Originally by: Par'Gellen And again I notice you only read the first line of my post. I totally agree that T2 BPO should be rediculously expensive. Billions and billions! It's the part about them not being available at all to those of us that want to spend that kind of isk on them that I have a problem with. They are available, you just have to convince the owner to sell it. OMG Noes! I HAVE TO TALK TO ANOTHER PLAYER OMG HOW HORRIBLE OHNOESNOTTHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please make some more assumptions about how I play and then tell me how I should be playing! It amuses me. OMG Noes! SOMEONE DOESN'T PLAY THE GAME EXACTLY LIKE I DO! OMG HOW HORRIBLE OHNOESNOTTHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --- CCP : Save my mousewheel!
Neridine	Posted - 2007.02.16 01:28:00 - [100] Edited by: Neridine on 16/02/2007 01:24:33 The easiest way to help the t2 lottery is to just keep putting out t2 bpos as the population increases. Maybe a new lottery cycle every 3 months or whatever... As others have said, the basic problem is that even with all of the in-game bpos running 24/7, the demand can't be supplied (admittedly - this is for some items more than others...) I'm less thrilled with the idea of BPCs being lotteried, purely as they are less useful for manufacturing (although, I guess if the runs are long enough, that may make a negligable difference) I would LOVE to see how many t2 bpos are owned by Devs (or were won by Devs...). T2 BPOs are specifically one thing that Devs don't need to have especially since they're playing the game to get a feeling for it, and the rarity of t2 bpos makes it an exclusive club, and hence something that the vast majority of users will not experience. It also (especially with the recent events) gives the impression (probably unjustified - after all these people have been playing for a long time...) of scamming the system.

Jennifer Meek Gallente Planck Bubble Generation Technologies	Posted - 2007.02.16 11:50:00 - [101] Originally by: Par'Gellen Edited by: Par''Gellen on 16/02/2007 01:15:32 Originally by: Jennifer Meek Edited by: Jennifer Meek on 16/02/2007 00:47:25 Originally by: Par'Gellen And again I notice you only read the first line of my post. I totally agree that T2 BPO should be rediculously expensive. Billions and billions! It's the part about them not being available at all to those of us that want to spend that kind of isk on them that I have a problem with. They are available, you just have to convince the owner to sell it. OMG Noes! I HAVE TO TALK TO ANOTHER PLAYER OMG HOW HORRIBLE OHNOESNOTTHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please make some more assumptions about how I play and then tell me how I should be playing! It amuses me. OMG Noes! SOMEONE DOESN'T PLAY THE GAME EXACTLY LIKE I DO! OMG HOW HORRIBLE OHNOESNOTTHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So you admit that you just want to buy BPO's from NPC's whenever you please? ---
Par'Gellen Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:47:00 - [102] Edited by: Par''Gellen on 16/02/2007 14:44:20 Originally by: Jennifer Meek Originally by: Par'Gellen Edited by: Par''Gellen on 16/02/2007 01:15:32 Originally by: Jennifer Meek Edited by: Jennifer Meek on 16/02/2007 00:47:25 Originally by: Par'Gellen And again I notice you only read the first line of my post. I totally agree that T2 BPO should be rediculously expensive. Billions and billions! It's the part about them not being available at all to those of us that want to spend that kind of isk on them that I have a problem with. They are available, you just have to convince the owner to sell it. OMG Noes! I HAVE TO TALK TO ANOTHER PLAYER OMG HOW HORRIBLE OHNOESNOTTHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please make some more assumptions about how I play and then tell me how I should be playing! It amuses me. OMG Noes! SOMEONE DOESN'T PLAY THE GAME EXACTLY LIKE I DO! OMG HOW HORRIBLE OHNOESNOTTHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So you admit that you just want to buy BPO's from NPC's whenever you please? NPCs, players, my mom, God, who cares? You are missing the point entirely and I tire of trying to explain it to you. waves dismissively --- CCP : Save my mousewheel!


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