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Tricotomy Celine	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:39:00 - [1] I know two people who have canceled their accounts due to recent events surrounding devs, BoB and CCP's coverup. Anyone else you know has left or are leaving? I'm also wondering how long this thread will last before censorship rears it's ugly head.
SonOTassadar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:42:00 - [2] It's seriously not that big of a deal to me. **** happens, BoB takes another region, and the world keeps spinning. Whatever. ----- Griffin -- 100,000 ISK ECM - Multispectral Jammer Is -- 20,000 ISK Standard Missile Launcher Is -- 10,000 ISK War target sobbing over losing a fight in his T2 fitted Battleship -- priceless
nieuwe harrie	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:42:00 - [3] i know someone who quit after he thrashed all is assets cause he was drunk though stopping this game cause you FINALY find out devs help BoB.. is pointless. they did it at the beginning lol so just keep on playing. i havent had any probs with BoB yet soo i dont give a damn
Bugszor Caldari The Redeeming Age	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:43:00 - [4] Edited by: Bugszor on 12/02/2007 08:40:10 the person above is me. lol STUUUPID alt system! I SAY THIS IS MY MAIN ACCOUNT nub forum ------------------------------------ Dont make me bug you... Originally by: Nex Angelus Perhaps it was a Bugszor
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:46:00 - [5] No, but i am disgusted by the way this whole thing has been handled, now it's gone global i think it's probably for the best, because CCP is still on damage limitation and cover up mode but tbh instead of leaving, i'd rather see the player base dole out a real good kicking here, and it looks like thats exactly whats happening. games to good to leave, just need the corruption stabbed in the face repeatedly till the message sinks in, that we all pay for this, not just the devs fav alliance Originally by: Wrangler That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
Dasi	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:47:00 - [6] Going to kick BoB in the nuts and then quit. Better help them out more BoD so I won't quit!
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:52:00 - [7] I would say by D/T next monday if CCP continues to sweep stuff under the rug I will quit. I do not enjoy playing games against cheaters, or at least let me think I have a chance. No one can have my stuff, trash ftw! ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:55:00 - [8] i see the recent events as a filter: idiots quit, worthy players stay. less idiots, less lag, everyone is happy . Originally by: Wrangler We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:58:00 - [9] I don't know of any recent events which have any effect on my gameplay so I see no reason to quit. Anyway, AFAIK it had something to do with T2 BPOs, which come from such a horribly broken system that concepts like 'fair' and 'cheating' can hardly be applied. ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Torchic	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:01:00 - [10] amazing and amusing to see all the BoD alts in this thread already. I know i've cancelled my 2 accounts, my best friend has done the same, and I know several others for a total of about 20 accounts or so in my alliance. And alot more are looking towards stuff like vanguard and wow now till something better, but atleast legitimate comes around.
Cupertino Castellum	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:05:00 - [11] Still thinking it over, but leaning more towards quitting than staying at the moment.
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:08:00 - [12] Originally by: Torchic I know i've cancelled my 2 accounts, my best friend has done the same, and I know several others for a total of about 20 accounts or so in my alliance. If you canceled all your 476848%#" accounts, how come you are still posting here? Inactive accounts cant post afaik. Originally by: Wrangler We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
X99 Z990	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:09:00 - [13] Anyone who quits please transfer all your money to this character so i can put it to good use.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:11:00 - [14] Why are people quitting? ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:12:00 - [15] Originally by: Tricotomy Celine I know two people who have canceled their accounts due to recent events surrounding devs, BoB and CCP's coverup. Anyone else you know has left or are leaving? I'm also wondering how long this thread will last before censorship rears it's ugly head. NO! I wont quit over this! I see no bloody reason why! The case where handled as a personal case which CCP allways have done. On personal basis! No one should be put to shame before the whole player base! The punishment they should have, but when its dealt the case is OVER!! FINITO! At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:20:00 - [16] Originally by: Crumplecorn Why are people quitting? Red Pill Blue Pill ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
Heinricci	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:21:00 - [17] I am canceling me account too. I dont like to play with fu**ing cheaters. I cant belive that there is some people in the forums ask to not fire the cheater. I dont like that the devs help Band of Brothers because they are my enemies. I am not going to pay for this
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:21:00 - [18] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT. same here. never thought this community was as rotten as it looks to be now. Originally by: Wrangler We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:22:00 - [19] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Tricotomy Celine I know two people who have canceled their accounts due to recent events surrounding devs, BoB and CCP's coverup. Anyone else you know has left or are leaving? I'm also wondering how long this thread will last before censorship rears it's ugly head. NO! I wont quit over this! I see no bloody reason why! The case where handled as a personal case which CCP allways have done. On personal basis! No one should be put to shame before the whole player base! The punishment they should have, but when its dealt the case is OVER!! FINITO! At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! /Signed People who post threads like this are not going to be missed. Please cancel away and good riddance to bad rubbish. F4T4L - Recruitment
zeeZ Exus Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:23:00 - [20] I just reactivated my account to tell you that I'll quit because of all this Oh wait, crap, now I'm stuck with this for another three months Give me some of your stuffs too! Character Portrait
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:24:00 - [21] Originally by: Noluck Ned Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Tricotomy Celine I know two people who have canceled their accounts due to recent events surrounding devs, BoB and CCP's coverup. Anyone else you know has left or are leaving? I'm also wondering how long this thread will last before censorship rears it's ugly head. NO! I wont quit over this! I see no bloody reason why! The case where handled as a personal case which CCP allways have done. On personal basis! No one should be put to shame before the whole player base! The punishment they should have, but when its dealt the case is OVER!! FINITO! At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! /Signed People who post threads like this are not going to be missed. Please cancel away and good riddance to bad rubbish. For anyone wondering... FATAL alliance are in bed with BoB and LV. ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
X99 Z990	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:28:00 - [22] My opinions on people who are quitting. --- You want to see one of the CCP staff lose his job just to satisfy your feeling of justice, if the alliance was anyone other than BoB not as many people would care. Reading all the dev posts and articles state that they have already punished the member of staff back in the summer they cant second guess that and fire him after he has been working continuing months. The list of BPOs were listed on the dev blog and all in all in the grand scheme of the eve galaxy have not affected balance whatsoever or given BoB any advantage they would not have already, the assets aquired are probably equivelant to a full freighter being destroyed. As for the other accusations against CCP they have denied giving BoB information unfairly and the use of developer tools. Really i doubt any good could come from terminating the devs employment so i think its very small of people to quit over that. Feel free to flame me or call me a BoB alt if it makes you feel better.
Strong Badd Trogdor the Burninator Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:29:00 - [23] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! I'm disgusted that the player base didn't do this because of BoBs I am better than you attitude and knock them off of their high horse.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:30:00 - [24] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 12/02/2007 09:27:17 Originally by: X99 Z990 Feel free to flame me or call me a BoB alt if it makes you feel better. BoB Alt! No, don't feel any better. But I feel fine as it is, so, whatever. ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
elohllird Gallente Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:30:00 - [25] Originally by: Noluck Ned Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Tricotomy Celine I know two people who have canceled their accounts due to recent events surrounding devs, BoB and CCP's coverup. Anyone else you know has left or are leaving? I'm also wondering how long this thread will last before censorship rears it's ugly head. NO! I wont quit over this! I see no bloody reason why! The case where handled as a personal case which CCP allways have done. On personal basis! No one should be put to shame before the whole player base! The punishment they should have, but when its dealt the case is OVER!! FINITO! At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! /Signed People who post threads like this are not going to be missed. Please cancel away and good riddance to bad rubbish. QFT
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:32:00 - [26] Originally by: MrDisposable Originally by: Noluck Ned Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Tricotomy Celine I know two people who have canceled their accounts due to recent events surrounding devs, BoB and CCP's coverup. Anyone else you know has left or are leaving? I'm also wondering how long this thread will last before censorship rears it's ugly head. NO! I wont quit over this! I see no bloody reason why! The case where handled as a personal case which CCP allways have done. On personal basis! No one should be put to shame before the whole player base! The punishment they should have, but when its dealt the case is OVER!! FINITO! At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! /Signed People who post threads like this are not going to be missed. Please cancel away and good riddance to bad rubbish. For anyone wondering... FATAL alliance are in bed with BoB and LV. POST WITH YOUR MAIN. OMFG I just realised something...wait for it....F4T4L corp used to be IN LV. We left that alliance because their goals and ours are different. What do you want us to to? Set them to red? Some of us are more honourable than that thank you very much. Now get back on your bandwagon, its leaving without you. F4T4L - Recruitment
Weebear The Bowrey	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:33:00 - [27] Quote: Will You Quit? Nope, I'm capable of thinking for myself and putting things into perspective!
MEBHansen The Necromongers E N I G M A	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:35:00 - [28] Originally by: MrDisposable Originally by: Crumplecorn Why are people quitting? Red Pill Blue Pill HAHAHA... Good one =)
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:36:00 - [29] Originally by: MrDisposable For anyone wondering... FATAL alliance are in bed with BoB and LV. but but...but their chix are so hawt !!!! Originally by: Wrangler We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
Minikrimi Extreme Zephyr Manufacturing Group SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:36:00 - [30] Edited by: Minikrimi Extreme on 12/02/2007 09:33:02 I've cancelled...hmmm, five accounts over the years, as I decide I want to try new things in Eve. But I've always maintained at least one account here. Eh, someone makes a mistake, a firing offense, and the boss is away so nothing gets done about it until he gets back and by then there's another crisis going so nothing much happens... it's standard fare in the corporate world. And I'm not going to lose any sleep over a game that isn't winnable, anyway. Frankly, in Eve I don't think it much matters if you do cheat, since there is no win in Eve. I play by the rules, mind you, there's not much of a reason not to and heck I helped beta this thing and I respect its vision. But something like this, even with 0.0 alliances, meh, it means nothing really to me. Maybe it comes from having watched a movie on military contractors such as Halliburton earlier tonite, but right now there's nothing in Eve that can even remotely disturb me other than the polarized nature of the community against itself.
Heinricci	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:43:00 - [31] Originally by: X99 Z990 --- You want to see one of the CCP staff lose his job just to satisfy your feeling of justice, if the alliance was anyone other than BoB not as many people would care. Reading all the dev posts and articles state that they have already punished the member of staff back in the summer they cant second guess that and fire him after he has been working continuing months. The list of BPOs were listed on the dev blog and all in all in the grand scheme of the eve galaxy have not affected balance whatsoever or given BoB any advantage they would not have already, the assets aquired are probably equivelant to a full freighter being destroyed. As for the other accusations against CCP they have denied giving BoB information unfairly and the use of developer tools. Really i doubt any good could come from terminating the devs employment so i think its very small of people to quit over that. Feel free to flame me or call me a BoB alt if it makes you feel better. Yes, i want to see this cheater loosing his job, but CCP bans the one who discover all the thing, why??? You have a cheater and you bans the person who discovers him. CCP is like a Caribbean Republic
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:46:00 - [32] Originally by: Heinricci Yes, i want to see this cheater loosing his job, but CCP bans the one who discover all the thing, why??? You have a cheater and you bans the person who discovers him. CCP is like a Caribbean Republic becaus he violated the eula? right. even if his intentions were noble (they weren't, he just wanted attention tbh), he is still a bad guy. so he deserves the ban. Originally by: Wrangler We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:55:00 - [33] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Tricotomy Celine I know two people who have canceled their accounts due to recent events surrounding devs, BoB and CCP's coverup. Anyone else you know has left or are leaving? I'm also wondering how long this thread will last before censorship rears it's ugly head. NO! I wont quit over this! I see no bloody reason why! The case where handled as a personal case which CCP allways have done. On personal basis! No one should be put to shame before the whole player base! The punishment they should have, but when its dealt the case is OVER!! FINITO! At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! Speak for yourself. The mob (us) demands to see a public execution. CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:57:00 - [34] Has CCP removed the Veldspar? There's my answer. Help me help you .

Heinricci	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:58:00 - [35] Originally by: Breed Love becaus he violated the eula? right. even if his intentions were noble (they weren't, he just wanted attention tbh), he is still a bad guy. so he deserves the ban. Why he violated the EULA??? Because he suspects that something was wrong. And looks, it happens that the devs are helping his friends. We know this event because a player discovered it, but how many BPO and another kind of help they gave to his friends and we dont know. This fu**ing cheater t20 says that he gave 6 bpo, but i dont know if it is true.
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:01:00 - [36] I don't care, my way of playing the game hasn't been affected at all. [OMG! CURRENTLY RECRUITING!]
MrDisposable Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:02:00 - [37] HE revealed private information about another player... as did Sir Molle. This is dangerous. Say some idiot gets Sir Molle's personal info and decides to go kill him. It wouldn't be the first time. Hence the insta-ban. If this does not happen to all violators of this part of the Eula I will leave the game and not even regret it. My life > EvE ______________ BoB Alts "This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!" "Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve."
SilkE G	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:03:00 - [38] Will I quit? Well this is some epic SOE type of Developer Misconduct here, I mean this is bad. Did John Smedley give CCP a pep talk? Did SOE buy this game when I was not looking? This is some bad crap, wow bad... And BoD and its defenders, come on! You got your hands caught in the cookie jar, have the guts to take the lumps. But will I quit, well I am new and this is CCP's first blunder with me here. My SOE danger sense is going crazy, but I'll ignore it for now. This is currently the best game on the market, but if Devs keep up with this crap, well I will leave and I am sure I wont be the only one.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:10:00 - [39] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Tricotomy Celine I know two people who have canceled their accounts due to recent events surrounding devs, BoB and CCP's coverup. Anyone else you know has left or are leaving? I'm also wondering how long this thread will last before censorship rears it's ugly head. NO! I wont quit over this! I see no bloody reason why! The case where handled as a personal case which CCP allways have done. On personal basis! No one should be put to shame before the whole player base! The punishment they should have, but when its dealt the case is OVER!! FINITO! At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! Speak for yourself. The mob (us) demands to see a public execution. Oh, I speak for myself. As you can clearly see from my post you have quoted. I cant say the same for you however. The case have been closed. The dev have been punished. BoB have been told innocent by the actual Dev. They simply did not know anything!! So why bring out the pitchforks and the torches when its all been solved? Also its not that serious cheat. He cheated yes, but the BPOs where not that good it would do any use. Let this case DIE I say! DIE! It have nothing more to provide!! Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
Doomed Predator The Phoenix Rising Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:12:00 - [40] Originally by: Breed Love i see the recent events as a filter: idiots quit, worthy players stay. less idiots, less lag, everyone is happy . QFT
Peirce Caldari Jovian Labs	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:14:00 - [41] Everyone must be wearing their tin foil hats a little too tightly if they conclude that all those people who do not quit or post something negative about CCP are BoB alts. I can't believe that people would stoop so low as to as to brush everyone that doesn't agree with their particular opinion into the same pile as the accused. Truth be told CCP will and has handled this according to their own code of conduct and protocols. In the end we have no right to dictate to them what these protocols should or should not do. It is their matter and they will handle it how they see fit for the circumstances. IF you have decided that they are not handling they way YOU would like. Feel FREE to tell them what you think in any way YOU feel necessary. HOWEVER.. It is neither necessary, nor pertinent to your argument or thoughts to attempt to label all those who don't necessarily agree with YOUR point of view as the enemy. In closing I am NOT a BoB alt This IS my main I have been around since beta And I will continue to be around You don't have to agree with it, and you don't have to accuse me of something I'm not to get your point across.
pricecheck8	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:20:00 - [42] i say he should be fired. yeah im sure lots of games the game "devs,guides,helpers,gms, etc" may help/cheat to various degrees either way its still wrong. they go on and on how certain things will not be tolerated and will result in bans but does that only apply to players. does the do as i say not as i do apply to ccp? youre in a position of trust and when you violate that trust im sorry what you get slapped on the wrist? you try waking up today, going to work and committing a major work violation. yeah i bet they will say thats okay, dont worry. get a verbal counseling. NOT.... i bet ya most jobs will can ya on the spot
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:22:00 - [43] Quit? Over this? No way. Certainly CCPs handling of this has been quite poor, and a lot of people will have a very hard time trusting them on anything anymore. But I played a small backwater game before EVE where admin cheating was much more blatant, and I am extremely paranoid by default, and I believed all along that BoB was full of Dev alts, so really nothing at all has changed for me except for some suspicions being turned into facts. Does not change my game experience one bit. And I don't play a game because I trust the makers, but because it is fun. --------- There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Kestrel
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:24:00 - [44] Originally by: Chribba Has CCP removed the Veldspar? There's my answer. Well, they have removed the Veldspar in Jita and Ourseleart, and some other places What you think about THAT mr. Veldspar! (yes I am trying to hijack the thread) Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:24:00 - [45] Anyone that quits over this, really has to ask themselves if they truely enjoyed and loved the game that much in the first place. If not, then mabye them quitting is best for everyone.
Alhambra Rainwalker Caldari Rosa Alba Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:26:00 - [46] Originally by: Peirce Everyone must be wearing their tin foil hats a little too tightly if they conclude that all those people who do not quit or post something negative about CCP are BoB alts. I can't believe that people would stoop so low as to as to brush everyone that doesn't agree with their particular opinion into the same pile as the accused. Truth be told CCP will and has handled this according to their own code of conduct and protocols. In the end we have no right to dictate to them what these protocols should or should not do. It is their matter and they will handle it how they see fit for the circumstances. IF you have decided that they are not handling they way YOU would like. Feel FREE to tell them what you think in any way YOU feel necessary. HOWEVER.. It is neither necessary, nor pertinent to your argument or thoughts to attempt to label all those who don't necessarily agree with YOUR point of view as the enemy. In closing I am NOT a BoB alt This IS my main I have been around since beta And I will continue to be around You don't have to agree with it, and you don't have to accuse me of something I'm not to get your point across. True, not nearly all people who won't quit are BoB alts. On your second comment, both sides seem to be doing this. First part gets called bob alts, dev alts, cheaters, sheep etc. And the other whiners, noobs, loosers... Lots of love in the air. Customers usually have 2 options to deal with the situation if they aren't happy about the way company they are investing their money in is running things. First, they can complain/protest on the official forums, in game and to outside media about it. Second is withdrawing your financial support from them (cancelling sub, asking credit card company to return the money invested if companys actions warrant it). Personally I found the way they dealt with this cheating incident not to my liking at all thus far and so I cancelled. No need to rehash that stuff here though, there's 99+ page long thread in the eve portal forum about it.
Skaz Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:30:00 - [47] Highly doubt that I'll quit but I might not be as fast to renew my subscription if I see the need to try something new, I never expected CCP to be perfect but as it is now and unless CCP clarifies a couple of things, I may have to think things through when next renewal comes around. - - PINK PINK PINK PINK
Omber Zombie Gallente Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:30:00 - [48] if the people who quit could transfer their isk and assets to me I'll be happy to see them used in a constructive manner. oz ---------------------- FTEK is Recruiting
Uuve Savisaalo Umbra Congregatio	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:34:00 - [49] still the best damn mmog out there for a person like me, so the answer is no, i won't be going anyplace. I imagine the same can be said for a great deal of others.
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:36:00 - [50] Edited by: Juwi Kotch on 12/02/2007 10:32:52 No, I won't quit. I'm only afraid that the game will quit us, since the totally unapt crisis management of CCP has the potential to destroy that company economically. Juwi Kotch JOIN NOW, KLICK SIG!
Riho Red Wrath Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:36:00 - [51] dunno why people quit over this??? u trying to win EvE or something and now cant cause a dev gave a few crap bpos to BoB whit out them knowing ? this stuff doesn't affect me one bit.... yes, its sucks it happened but nothing can be done about it now. ill keep on playing the same way i have played and will enjoy it. Great being Gallente... aint it ?
Forando Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:36:00 - [52] Edited by: Forando on 12/02/2007 10:34:23 Quit?.. Just when I've got started?.. NEVER! Nah, they need to serve much more drama to pull me from this game! Enjoy, and fly safe..
Dagny Caldari Oldschool	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:41:00 - [53] Quit? No. --- This is my signature, there are many like it, but this one is mine.
Benco97 Gallente Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:42:00 - [54] No, I will not quit and if those saying they will close their 500 accounts and think they are important.. you're no loss, play another game. This is simply sorting the Wheat from the chaff. "MY GOD KEEP THIS AWAY FROM BENCO97!!!!!" - Constantine Arcanum
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:57:00 - [55] And over here we have some crops and over here we have some anti-missile countermeasures ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Max Godsnottlingson Amarr Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:57:00 - [56] Quite no. Hope CCP take on board the lessons from all this yes. What's happend has happened and so long as I remain assured that it won't happen again that's good enough for me.
sugark Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:04:00 - [57] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! I wish I had the guts to sig that... ___________________________________________________ Thank you Annya Avishnaya for my awesome sig! <3
Irawaru	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:11:00 - [58] To all those leaving over this and call yourselves enemies of BOB, why not stay and use it as motivation to wipe them off Eve in a legit way? Prove that it's the dev that led to their success and not them. There's never been a better time than now to do it too. Otherwise give me your stuff so I can use it on them since it would be wasted resources otherwise.
Nomar Akron	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:18:00 - [59] I came home from work today, entered eve, chatted with Corpies, made some isk, lost a ship, replaced the ship, salvaged some componets to replace my rigs, generally the same as every day. Had a good time, relaxed and enjoyed it all. Quit? Are you nuts? This is the best game I've played since my first internet access what? 10ish years ago? As for the nonsence this thread is based on. LOL. Life. I've watched people throw away $100,000 a year jobs because the wanted ***** around on a business accout. I've seen the guy that lost his job for 2 sirloin steaks on the excuse he needed to feed his family. (Those steaks cost him a $600 a week paycheck.) People do stupid things and hopefully they learn from them. What's happened here will happen again. Will happen in any game, any job, any political office. The effect on me? Not a thing. No lost Corpies, no lost roids, no lost ships, (at least as a result of this stuff). So no, I won't quit. I'll keep on having fun with friends and enjoying the beautiful graphics and using my grey matter to work with some very interesting game mechanics. To those that screwed up. Learn from it. To those that do leave, Your loss, good luck finding a place as perfect as you dream of. And to the rest..... Here's to good fights, Lots of isk and further improvements to the best Space game around. SYIG (See You In Game)
Detrol Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:22:00 - [60] I probably won't be quitting although a lot depends on how CCP keeps handling this the next hours/days. I'm afraid that for them the matter is closed and no official response will be made anymore. Problem for me is... how will they avoid it in the future? If another dev is caught for similar actions, will he be fired? Difficult to do as he did the same as t20 but t20 didn't get fired for it. So if they don't get fired for abuse, what's stopping them from doing it more and more from now on? CCP needs to send the correct signal, to the players AND to the other devs. There's no excuse, misconduct means only one thing: you're out. And when I'm putting my tinfoil hat a bit more firm on my head, I'm thinking that t20 knows about other devs that did similar things and threatened to spil the beans should they fire him. If he gets fired they have to fire the others too and if it's a big group, that's completely crippling your development team. So he can stay as long as he keeps quiet about the others. Why else would they keep a dev that misused his powers although they've always clearly stated that in such a case, the dev has to go.
medecau 33 cl's	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:26:00 - [61] Quote: Will you quit? dunno. payments are not active but i don't know if I will quit. It didn't really affect me directly, has i am a mission runner, but i still want to see some blood.
Lost Ninja CompleXion Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:28:00 - [62] I don't know where T20 is based (nor do I much care) but they'd have real issues sacking him under EU/UK law particularly, he could quite realistically sue the pants off them for unfair dismissal, especially if he hasn't done anything wrong since the summer. As for the guy who blew the whistle... he broke into someone elses account! All those people who want him unbanned, think of it like this: What if someone thinks you're cheating? That doesn't give them the right to look into your account does it? Unban the above player and that would be exactly what you'd be saying. As for quiting? No way, this game is great, the devs IMO handled the situation correctly, some of the rabid player base are rabid and wanted something to get upset over. _________________________________________________________ Complexion Industries
Lucre STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:28:00 - [63] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker The case have been closed. The dev have been punished. BoB have been told innocent by the actual Dev. They simply did not know anything!! So why bring out the pitchforks and the torches when its all been solved? Also its not that serious cheat. He cheated yes, but the BPOs where not that good it would do any use. That's an interesting representation of events... What happened was CCP said they "could neither prove nor disprove the cheating on game events accusation. Now could we move on". Then after a storm of "not good enough", CCP then admitted that indeed there was more to it than that, revealed a scapegoat and an unlikely list of mostly low-value T2 bpo's, promised to remove the illicit bpo's (that somehow weren't removed when the crime was discovered) and again asked to move on... They've tried covering it up twice now, and even now the story is still not convincing. (We're apparently supposed to believe that the head of BoB's capital fleet didn't know anything about shared cyno networks!) The EULA (posting of RL names) is still not being applied consistently. That's why the storm continues. (And may I also say how disgusted I am that anyone could even utter the phrase "not that serious a cheat". When it comes to devs and cheating there is no such thing.)
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:29:00 - [64] I'm not quitting, its not as if nearly every other MMORPG hasn't had similar incidents. I'm still waiting until CCP and BoB give more full explanations. Right now both are almost silent, BoB in particular. -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Allen Deckard Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:31:00 - [65] Originally by: X99 Z990 My opinions on people who are quitting. --- You want to see one of the CCP staff lose his job just to satisfy your feeling of justice, if the alliance was anyone other than BoB not as many people would care. Reading all the dev posts and articles state that they have already punished the member of staff back in the summer they cant second guess that and fire him after he has been working continuing months. The list of BPOs were listed on the dev blog and all in all in the grand scheme of the eve galaxy have not affected balance whatsoever or given BoB any advantage they would not have already, the assets aquired are probably equivelant to a full freighter being destroyed. As for the other accusations against CCP they have denied giving BoB information unfairly and the use of developer tools. Really i doubt any good could come from terminating the devs employment so i think its very small of people to quit over that. Feel free to flame me or call me a BoB alt if it makes you feel better. At this point really dont care. Plan on leaving in june for pirates of burning sea. BUT To answer something about a devs job. CCP is a company. The employee of the company stole from the company. The theft caused damage to the reputation of the company along with financial cost. Forget about bob for a sec. Think of this as a company trying to make a profit. If it were my company? sure as **** he'd be out on his ear. I really dont care if it was a shuttle bpo. Let me add one other thing. I dont believe for 1 sec that what was "found" was the only thing stole unless he was one really crappy thief. You really think that every drunk driver caught that that was the very first time they ever drove drunk? I'm not a conspiracy theorist but comeon here a bit of rational here. Will I quit over this? Naa theirs nothing worth a crap to change to right now and not gonna punish myself cause of cheeters. Has it solidified my decision to leave for pirates of the burning sea? maybe a little but was gonna open an account there anyway. Simply the game looks better. Now if I think the cheeting continues I will just isolate myself from it. Kentucky where the goats roam and the rednecks run free
Galyrion Star Scream Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:36:00 - [66] This whole game stinks. The fact that ccp has known about this issue for a long time without doing anything only shows how sorry ccp are they got cought with their pants down and had no choise but to telle the full story. This makes me wonder if there are other stuff ccp is sweeping under the rug that yet hasnt come to the light of day. I give you the benefit of the doubt, one more case like this and its all over with
Gigi Barbagrigia Latent Appliance Fetishists	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:42:00 - [67] To all that just had their "online games are fair" cherry popped, hope it didn't hurt too bad. But look it this way, you'll be able to really enjoy it from now on.
Imuran	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:46:00 - [68] No I will not quit, being a primary Empire based player this has not affected my gaming experience yet. However that this has happened is symptamatic of the way CCP appear to organise and manage things in a fairly lax manner. I now have 25 years in the IT industry under my belt heaven help me and a lot of things that have happened recently point to a very relaxed approach to large scale development. Source control, unit testing and Quality assurance appear to be inadequate for the size of this development. Silly little things like the Eve Mail bug, Salvager/Tractor beam icon display bugs etc may be small but point to a distinct lack in the quality/testing/development process.
IndIIy Minmatar W33D Corp. O X I D E	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:49:00 - [69] Originally by: Breed Love Originally by: Heinricci Yes, i want to see this cheater loosing his job, but CCP bans the one who discover all the thing, why??? You have a cheater and you bans the person who discovers him. CCP is like a Caribbean Republic becaus he violated the eula? right. even if his intentions were noble (they weren't, he just wanted attention tbh), he is still a bad guy. so he deserves the ban. dude this is my opinion why are u even posting here u are frendly whit bob of course u don't want them to lose there bpos and etc let me tell u a funy thing i saw today 1 guy got baned so qucik for harasement in local where fatal is fighting that i didn't even catch his name and i have 2 haresment petitions open for 2 months now and that is a fact and anothere exempl that spinles junkie that was on eve tv doesn't he play for bob and during the ascn war seams that he had spys or othere acounts in ascn thats how he got acces to the forums i mean how come evreyone thinks that the gms are in bob its evreyone crazy
Lucifer Fellblade Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:53:00 - [70] Edited by: Lucifer Fellblade on 12/02/2007 11:50:13 Originally by: IndIIy Originally by: Breed Love Originally by: Heinricci Yes, i want to see this cheater loosing his job, but CCP bans the one who discover all the thing, why??? You have a cheater and you bans the person who discovers him. CCP is like a Caribbean Republic becaus he violated the eula? right. even if his intentions were noble (they weren't, he just wanted attention tbh), he is still a bad guy. so he deserves the ban. dude this is my opinion why are u even posting here u are frendly whit bob of course u don't want them to lose there bpos and etc let me tell u a funy thing i saw today 1 guy got baned so qucik for harasement in local where fatal is fighting that i didn't even catch his name and i have 2 haresment petitions open for 2 months now and that is a fact and anothere exempl that spinles junkie that was on eve tv doesn't he play for bob and during the ascn war seams that he had spys or othere acounts in ascn thats how he got acces to the forums i mean how come evreyone thinks that the gms are in bob its evreyone crazy 1. BoB did lose the BPOs that were illegally gained as far as I know. 2. WTS ENGLISH LESSONS. And no, I'm not gonna be quitting over something that barely effects me at all, it's not like they used invulnerability hax. ------
Lunadi Minmatar Solar Trade	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:54:00 - [71] C'mon, imho CCP has handled it the proper way atm. - it's ok the guy is not being punished twice - I'm sure he has a really hard time now (and probably he had a bad time when it was first discovered) - the actualy damage done (in isk term) was hopefully minor - no need to reroll things back or try to fix - the event has put many in an 'alert' state, CCP will probably take more time in checking things on their side - positive. - BoB is a really bad position, I don't think that it will be forgotten easily, hopefully that should be a lesson for them also - positive What are you expecting a public lynch in a medieval style? -------- hate my spelling? go play SCRABBLE
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:59:00 - [72] Edited by: Breed Love on 12/02/2007 11:56:12 Originally by: IndIIy some random nosense punctuation is your friend, mkay? other than that, please read the posts and atleast familiarize yourself with the case before replying here. Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
IndIIy Minmatar W33D Corp. O X I D E	Posted - 2007.02.12 12:01:00 - [73] 1. BoB did lose the BPOs that were illegally gained as far as I know. 2. WTS ENGLISH LESSONS. And no, I'm not gonna be quitting over something that barely effects me at all, it's not like they used invulnerability hax. yeah i forgot to post sorry for the bad english
Teckie	Posted - 2007.02.12 12:16:00 - [74] Quit, I doubt I will. Surprised about what's going on,, nope. When it is a known fact that CCP employees are playing thier own game, how can you be surprised that stuff like this happens. TBH the only thing I was surprised about when I first joined this game, was when I found out that CCP employees were allowed to play thier own game, my first thought was, I wonder if they'll help themselves out. Looks like I was right.
Lance Hawke New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.12 12:24:00 - [75] Anyone who quits over this is a ******* crybaby.
Arcticblue2 Gallente Nordic Freelancers inc	Posted - 2007.02.12 12:32:00 - [76] Actually have already canceled my other account (got 2), the other one was already paid for so it won't be canceled before next month. This one I am a CEO of a small corp and quite frankly I can't cancel this one before I have set a few things straight in the corp. Like saying goodbye to friends and such.... this account will also be canceled within 2 weeks time I think. With me I will take 2x tech 2 bpo's (ammo so that is not that bad), 10 battleships (including 1 Nightmare battleship), numerous of faction cruisers and other ships like battlecruisers and frigates also some tech 2 ships like interceptors, Assault frigates and so on. Plus 350-400 million isk that I got... and many many things more... I won't give it away, I might consider to resubscribe again later on if CCP do the right thing eventually so will be follow the forums and check status but for now yeah I will cancel my 2 accounts. Have had a great 3 years now in the game, I still enjoy the game and even that the whole BoB incident does not affect my gameplay so to speak... the tought of GM/Dev's giving one alliance some advantage is just not my type of game. And yeah I suppose we have always known that there where GM/Devs in BoB... just not knowing that they helped BoB in a unetical way. ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Emily Spankratchet Minmatar Pragmatics	Posted - 2007.02.12 12:32:00 - [77] Won't quit. All the fuss doesn't really affect us in our little corner of low-sec, no matter how many people claim that the sky is falling. The only thing that worries me is that if enough vets quit, the community will be impoverished as a result. Hopefully CCP will take this swift kick up the arse onboard and run things a little more tightly in future.
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.12 12:36:00 - [78] the bpos and other stuff tbh aint that big of a deal...but what is a big deal is how ccp have dealt with it. 1) they knew of it 6 months ago, and did nothing, left the bpos in bob and covered it up...strangley enough this was during the time merger talks with white wolf were going on..coincidence? 2) they have banned 1 player for posting rl info, which is fair enough, but a second one has not been punished for doing the same crime...in fact he did worse because the second player was encoiuraging the playerbase to use this information to inflict rl harm on the person. 3) they have not removed any assets from bob which they gained from the bpos, claiming they cant prove the assets were gained from bpos...again fair enough BUT cases have come to light that they have removed assets from other players who gained from unfair means without their knowledge. 4) the orginal reaction from ccp was "ok we investgated nothing was found we removed the players arnt we cool move along now" only having to admit to the bpos after community pressure forced their hands..their original attempts to cover it up make people wonder what else are they hiding. 1&4 show ccp to be blatant liars, 2&3 show they do not enforce their own rules in a equal manner but show favoritism. all 4 points show that ccp have no respect for the player base, and as such deserve none in return again ill state i dont care much about what was done...thats expected, how ti was handled was disgraecful. RAM is recruiting
Karodnotos Caldari Tides of Silence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 12:39:00 - [79] Originally by: Gigi Barbagrigia To all that just had their "online games are fair" cherry popped, hope it didn't hurt too bad. But look it this way, you'll be able to really enjoy it from now on. It hurt, but i will follow your advice ___________________ Eve Wiki \| dont forget
Gudrun Hart	Posted - 2007.02.12 12:41:00 - [80] Edited by: Gudrun Hart on 12/02/2007 12:41:45 I wont quit because of that story. Hey, EvE is a online game with real players behind it and if i look around, i can't say that all are smart and fair . Remove 1 Mio skill points from every BoB Member and transfer it to my account, give me all BoB T2 BPOs and let the devloper(s) who done that clean the public toilets in Reykjavik for a year.
Maxtor Killer Mentally Unstable Enterprises Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 12:42:00 - [81] quit ? no But im wondering why sirmolle isnt banned when he posted personal info about kugu but when kugu posted personal info about a dev he get's banned ? As for kugutsumen breaking into anybody's flippin account that hasnt been proven. He said that he obtained the info from a guy with access to the sql database of RKK forums that gave him a dump of it.
Kelron Queldine Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 12:44:00 - [82] Why would I quit a game I love playing because someone got given free BPOs? It shouldn't happen, but it doesn't affect my enjoyment of the game. --------------------------- Signatures are for the weak.
Lorn Yeager Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.12 12:46:00 - [83] Originally by: Dark Shikari I'm not quitting, its not as if nearly every other MMORPG hasn't had similar incidents. I'm still waiting until CCP and BoB give more full explanations. Right now both are almost silent, BoB in particular. /signed... Why leave? I still like the game. "Recent events" are sad, but I cannot say that it has had an impact on my gaming experience. Nothing has changed. Tbh.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.12 12:58:00 - [84] Quit? Me? After three years? No. Nothing that happens in 0.0 bothers me much anyway. It's all just virtual gang warfare and politics so I retreated back to Empire ages ago. That people take a game so seriously in the first place amuses me. The fact that they quit when the game hasn't changed seems silly. If you were having fun last month you can still have fun now. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Please don't read this signature.
Kruugore Minmatar Vigilant Justice	Posted - 2007.02.12 12:59:00 - [85] Edited by: Kruugore on 12/02/2007 12:57:05 There is a poll on this issue at MMORPG.com (Snapshot at 118 votes) 28.8% plan on cancelling 22.9% aren't sure 48.3% don't plan to. POLL-Will you quit eve because of Dev Corruption? Me? I won't. What would I do? Play WoW or Vanguard? LOL! EvE is still a great concept... I just hope CCP learns to protect themselves from corruption and scandal that is bound to happen. I mean policy and action, not just covering it up. I'm sure with their lax policies we'll be hearing about it again. I just don't plan on playing EVE 'Sandbox', actually trying to build anything in eve. I'll just go PEW PEW. EvE isn't a game to try to build anything because of the way the company handles dev involement. That's the problem with Dev involvement in EVE. There is SO MUCH at stake. WoW and all, it doesn't matter. Devs could spawn super elite items and it wouldn't matter because dying means nothing in wow. In EVE Corruption is a huge deal, because people spend YEARS building up an empire... and for dev corruption to even be blamed or linked to another Customer Alliances superiority and anothers downfall... is horrendous. It's just not something appropriate for the game concept. I think the biggest challenge now... is trying to attract the people that were going to play. or were interested... who are now turned off. Mr. K VIGILANT JUSTICE CEO/FOUNDER
Leilani Solaris Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:04:00 - [86] I QUIT! Not really.... Outbreak Killboard
Anatolius Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:18:00 - [87] No, I won't quit. The main reason? Despite my dislike of how CCP is handling this.. Well, I'm a veteran of half a dozen commercial MMOGs and countless others. I've seen far, far, far, far, far, far, far* worse when it comes to developer idiocy.* Plus there's nowhere else out there to play internet spaceships. As for the details.. I at least agree with one thing; the idea that CCP should not press a magical button to destroy BoB via out of game means. That's one argument that irritates me to no extreme. That people should whine for justice when they have arms and the ability to use them - if the destruction of BoB should happen, it should happen by people hopping in the nearest battleship and heading down south. I do think punishment has been very, very lenient with regard to the guilty; this does not mean the innocent should be punished. And it's unthinkable that the majority of the rank and file BoB members are anything but innocent. T2 BPOs being handed out? Sure, it affected the game's economy. Sure, it gives a giant middle finger to anyone who's ever had a research character. If T2 production was what I based my enjoyment of the game on, I'd have quit ages ago. (I still have no T2 BPO, nor do I expect that I will ever actually get one. ) That they weren't previously removed was disgusting; that they have been now is a step in the right direction. Let's remember T2, the debacle of the lottery, and this prime example of the affect that cheating could have because of the system when it comes to rolling out T3, hey? The banning of a certain party: if the messenger is to be shot, then those of his targets who broke the same rules he did should also suffer the same penalty. This is actually the only serious reason I'd have for leaving the game. At any rate, factoring in all the above things, I just bought a Raven for my research character. Holy crap, people are right, we are playing Caldari Online. "If God be for us, whom can be against us?"

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Zirth Caldari The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:22:00 - [89] I have never even seen a member of BOB. I just don't care, I got my little pirating game going on, and having fun. I totally see why BOB is somewhat too big (it's like making teams at PE, and 4 out of 10 join one team, and 4 are not playing) though, and that CPP devs being in them is ridiculous. Devs know more, pure and simple, and that they also spawned things is just fecked up. All I know it's just rumours though, I'm gonna give it some more time, and see how CPP responds after there's a few dozen more threads like these and they feel forced to.

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