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Speedkermit Damo
Hax. Abuse of Power.
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Posted - 2016.04.15 14:57:22 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:http://www.ibtimes.com/eve-online-battle-control-most-boring-video-game-world-2352253 Quote:Known as The Mittani within the virtual world of GÇ£Eve Online,GÇ¥ Gianturco commands an army of 40,000 space pilots loyal to his Imperium coalition. He has a trusted band of lieutenants and uses propaganda, espionage and deception to retain his position as the gameGÇÖs most powerful player, describing himself as the Vladimir Putin of the GÇ£EveGÇ¥ universe. He has even leveraged his position to earn a living from GÇ£Eve Online,GÇ¥ setting up his own website and renting out his army of mercenaries to other video games. Just seemed relevant.
It looks as if IBT were less than impressed by what Mittens said in "those" leaks.
Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.
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Josef Djugashvilis
3344
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Posted - 2016.04.15 14:59:57 -
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Poor Lucas, he will keep insisting that IWI is going against the EULA and will keep doing so until CCP get bored of him and close this thread.
Then he will find another thread to whinge about IWI.
Sad really.
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Speedkermit Damo
Hax. Abuse of Power.
493
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Posted - 2016.04.15 15:12:33 -
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"THEY WILL PRINT WHATEVER I TELL THEM"
Well Mittens, they certainly printed that bit.
GG Mittens GG
Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7482
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Posted - 2016.04.15 15:32:10 -
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Cidanel Afuran wrote:IWI hasn't acquired a single ISK outside of the game. No, they've aquired isk in game by using a third party tool out of game. Simply put, do you agree that if they didn't have the website, they would acquire less ISK? If you answer yes, then they are acquiring ISK in an accelerated rate to normal gameplay. If no, you're a complete liar.
Jenn aSide wrote:http://www.ibtimes.com/eve-online-battle-control-most-boring-video-game-world-2352253 Quote:Known as The Mittani within the virtual world of GÇ£Eve Online,GÇ¥ Gianturco commands an army of 40,000 space pilots loyal to his Imperium coalition. He has a trusted band of lieutenants and uses propaganda, espionage and deception to retain his position as the gameGÇÖs most powerful player, describing himself as the Vladimir Putin of the GÇ£EveGÇ¥ universe. He has even leveraged his position to earn a living from GÇ£Eve Online,GÇ¥ setting up his own website and renting out his army of mercenaries to other video games. Just seemed relevant. Because making real money from a website while trading no in game items for it is bad? Better tell Rixx Javix to pack up his work then.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Mario Putzo
1650
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Posted - 2016.04.15 15:33:58 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:http://www.ibtimes.com/eve-online-battle-control-most-boring-video-game-world-2352253 Quote:Known as The Mittani within the virtual world of GÇ£Eve Online,GÇ¥ Gianturco commands an army of 40,000 space pilots loyal to his Imperium coalition. He has a trusted band of lieutenants and uses propaganda, espionage and deception to retain his position as the gameGÇÖs most powerful player, describing himself as the Vladimir Putin of the GÇ£EveGÇ¥ universe. He has even leveraged his position to earn a living from GÇ£Eve Online,GÇ¥ setting up his own website and renting out his army of mercenaries to other video games. Just seemed relevant. Because making real money from a website while trading no in game items for it is bad? Better tell Rixx Javix to pack up his work then.
Except you know paying out the guys who write the articles that drive site traffic with ISK...you know the in game currency of EVE Online.
But hey why let facts ruin a good story right. |
Cidanel Afuran
Static-Noise Upholders
712
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Posted - 2016.04.15 15:42:49 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:No, they've aquired isk in game by using a third party tool out of game. Simply put, do you agree that if they didn't have the website, they would acquire less ISK? If you answer yes, then they are acquiring ISK in an accelerated rate to normal gameplay. If no, you're a complete liar.
That website is part of normal gameplay. Just as is any other 3rd party tool.
Simply put, could a coalition like CFC have grown to its size with zero out of game tools? If your answer is no, you're a complete liar.
Take your propaganda somewhere else, or at least be subtle enough about what you're doing that it's not painfully obvious. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7482
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Posted - 2016.04.15 15:53:07 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Except you know paying out the guys who write the articles that drive site traffic with ISK...you know the in game currency of EVE Online.
But hey why let facts ruin a good story right. Which CCP explicitly allow, hence why sites like EN24 do exactly the same thing.
Cidanel Afuran wrote:That website is part of normal gameplay. Just as is any other 3rd party tool. LOL. When I logged on a new account I didn't actually get a gambling site with it. I guess my copy of EVE must be broken. What gambling site do you own and operate that you got as part of logging on to EVE?
Cidanel Afuran wrote:Simply put, could a coalition like CFC have grown to its size with zero out of game tools? If your answer is no, you're a complete liar. But would't your answer to that question also be no? I think you are confused.
To be clear to you,yes, all third party tools provide a benefit, that's why they exist, but like CCP stated themselves, there's a difference between a fair benefit like TS3 provides and an unfair advantage that tools like ISBoxer provide. IWI is a tool that provides an unfair benefit to it's owner, and so should not be allowed.
I do like by the way how you completely skipped over the question I asked you.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Mario Putzo
1652
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Posted - 2016.04.15 15:58:37 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Except you know paying out the guys who write the articles that drive site traffic with ISK...you know the in game currency of EVE Online.
But hey why let facts ruin a good story right. Which CCP explicitly allow, hence why sites like EN24 do exactly the same thing.
And CCP explicitly allows for gambling services to exist in EVE Online. So begs to question. Just what is your ******* point?
Don't actually answer though because I really don't care what your opinion is. After all, its CCP's opinion that is final. |
james ayyhan
Capital Maintenance
8
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Posted - 2016.04.15 16:02:18 -
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Mits tried to do the Evening Games Club which was a copy of the most successful iwi and eve-bet and so.
so he failed at a eve casino but haven for bid someone else makes isk from it, if they do then its wrong and RmT well what can i say to that |
Speedkermit Damo
Hax. Abuse of Power.
494
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Posted - 2016.04.15 16:06:28 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Except you know paying out the guys who write the articles that drive site traffic with ISK...you know the in game currency of EVE Online.
But hey why let facts ruin a good story right. Which CCP explicitly allow, hence why sites like EN24 do exactly the same thing. And CCP explicitly allows for gambling services to exist in EVE Online. So begs to question. Just what is your ******* point? Don't actually answer though because I really don't care what your opinion is. After all, its CCP's opinion that is final.
Sour grapes.
Very very sour grapes.
Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7482
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Posted - 2016.04.15 16:13:31 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:And CCP explicitly allows for gambling services to exist in EVE Online. So begs to question. Just what is your ******* point?
Don't actually answer though because I really don't care what your opinion is. After all, its CCP's opinion that is final. They have't explicity allowed them, they've implicity allowed them. Also, we are all free to ask CCP to make changes. If you want to try to make them stop allowing articles to be paid for with isk, feel free. I, unlike you, won't turn up and start launching personal attacks at you simply because I disagree with your opinion.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Carn Uta
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
8
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Posted - 2016.04.15 16:13:54 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote:
Who knows, CODE could be next.
Oh, I do hope so.
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Cheburko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2016.04.15 16:19:28 -
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CCP allowed isboxer unhindered until it became a cause for unfair advantage to other players. When it became clear that it was an unfair advantage, they enforced limitations on what you could do with it. No reason they shouldn't do that for casinos.
Websites that wanted to use eve apis for their content would have a special api just for websites. Could have for profit and non profit apis. To have a profit api, corp has to hold sov. Corp loses its sov, api is disabled until they get sov again. |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Violence of Action.
1114
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Posted - 2016.04.15 19:47:01 -
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Carn Uta wrote:Pandora Carrollon wrote:
Who knows, CODE could be next.
Oh, I do hope so.
The tears would be endless.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7476
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Posted - 2016.04.15 20:19:46 -
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You know I just realized something.
There's always been a lot of grrr about CFC being too cozy with CCP. The quit article from Gevlon says much about it... but....
When people come into Eve expecting a certain thing, Eve becomes that thing.
When big space battles make international news, people coming into the game expect that. They may get it, or not, or get it and TiDi disenchants them, and they move on. But the expectation is why we have TiDi as CCP does what they can to address lag, TiDi being better than "I got on grid, black screen, clone vat".
When Eve has a reputation of being a litter box rather than a sandbox, hence the response CCP took to the E1 scandal for example, people will come into the game expecting and performing stuff like that.
Now would be, more than ever, one of the best times to be having a subscription/advertisement drive. Imagine a field of new players here on the pretense of "taking down a huge alliance". Imagine what they would do for the game with that expectation.
Yet it's pretty silent. Is there foot-dragging going on here? Or is this happening too fast? Or are there people on the inside who feel that this is not a goon-friendly thing to do?
Just my 2 cents. Note I ask questions, but I don't have answers. I'm wondering why there is no massive sub drive going on in what is going to be a huge pivotal point in the Eve timeline.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
984
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Posted - 2016.04.15 20:34:17 -
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I saw Eve a lot in the gaming press lately, and according to eve-offline, the number of newly created characters was about 50-ish percent higher than usual during the last couple of weeks. So, something happened at least.
But I agree. My impression is, that CCP are not very good very good at advertising their game. Never have been. |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
237
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Posted - 2016.04.15 21:52:26 -
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I believe there is a difference between what draws people to the game, and what keeps 'em here.
For example - I admit in all honesty - I was going to be a space mogul, inventing stuff, running multiple production lines and I almost could envision shipping lanes running around the clock ferrying the goods.
Then I got shot. Repeatedly.
I EmOrAgEQuiTTT!!
I came back.
I started shooting people just to get my PvP on - discovered I liked that ... and out of the window my production empire dream went. So you see... signing up for taking on the Evil Space Imperium is one thing; chances are those people will discover that perhaps they don't like it after all. Or they 5uck at it. They may yet become highsec dwellers, or rather carve themselves a place to stay in a nice quiet wormhole with friends.
The tools are there ; what they make for themselves, only time will tell. |
Stalker Ofeveryone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2016.04.18 00:00:35 -
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Goons aren't going anywhere. I think people have started believing their own propaganda. For starters the groups involved have no interest in keeping dek. They've all stated they're "burning sov", cool keep kicking over those space flags. Next, the moment PL get bored/train for AT etc, the coalition will lose the one major power carrying them around on the backs of their supers.
Let's assume they actually keep dek, cool, we'll go somewhere else. We'll be unleashed upon the great unwashed masses of highsec. With a refreshed, and agitated alliance ready to burn ****. Say what you want of the other alliances, but goons are growing in membership. |
Avaelica Kuershin
Aliastra
249
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Posted - 2016.04.18 00:38:01 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote:
It's entirely possible that IWI has found a way to gather new 'players' to them by dividing the players that are Destroyers at Heart vs. those that are Builders at Heart.
But which group is which? Sometimes it's hard to separate the roleplay "Grr Goons" from a rather disturbing hatred of anything to do with Goonswarm. |
Chewytowel Haklar
Project RESET
140
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Posted - 2016.04.18 03:15:27 -
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I think that the one thing this recent war shows is that holding SOV is much more difficult now. The old ways don't work and defending apparently is a pain in the butt. The future of Sov will probably involve systems trading hands far more often now, no mega alliance would be safe if the attacking group has enough firepower to tear down its space. The old days and old ways are gone, and Null will never again be quite the same. Oh and renting out nullsec space will become nothing more than a memory.
War is coming to nullsec. There will be no more Grrrr mega alliance anymore, new strategies will have to be adopted. This World War Bee has started something, and this is only the beginning I think. |
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
241
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Posted - 2016.04.18 03:16:19 -
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This probably has to do with similarities with real life. As much as we'd like to keep in-game and out-game separated, I think it's only human we recognise behaviour from the one seeping through in the other.
The in-game world allows us to be better people than we actually are, because our very lives are not at stake. "it is but pixels", right?
In game we can do what we fail to do in real life: make a difference. Kick the whole house of cards into oblivion. Back in the real world however, we're still very much governed by goon-alikes.
I'm sure somebody will write a nice thesis about it, but it may very turn out that those fighting for Freedom in the Pixel World care because they feel oppressed in the real one. Despite the fact it hasn't played out in-game yet, we already know what would happen if we don't stand up to civilisation - unified carebear masses under the umbrella of a "commonwealth". Some may just long the Far West had never ended, and are unwilling to repeat the mistakes of old. In the pixel world, that is.
When all things you see or do in game involve real people, it seems quite normal to pierce the veil between worlds. On one hand this is a truly amazing feat by CCP. It's also a long-winded way of say "people will be a55holes in any world." |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7482
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Posted - 2016.04.18 03:42:03 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote: I'm sure somebody will write a nice thesis about it, but it may very turn out that those fighting for Freedom in the Pixel World care because they feel oppressed in the real one. Despite the fact it hasn't played out in-game yet, we already know what would happen if we don't stand up to civilisation - unified carebear masses under the umbrella of a "commonwealth". Some may just long the Far West had never ended, and are unwilling to repeat the mistakes of old. In the pixel world, that is.
When all things you see or do in game involve real people, it seems quite normal to pierce the veil between worlds. On one hand this is a truly amazing feat by CCP. It's also a long-winded way of say "people will be a55holes in any world."
I've often wondered about this.
On the flipside, I have wondered if the people making their game the wrecking of someone else's game (or stuff generally) are people who face a lot of RL pressure to act in certain ways. I'm sure if I was not the boss and instead a cubicle slave having to hide my package from HR lest I be deemed something undesirable and fired that would affect how I play this game.
Most notable to me is how the "quality" of piracy and nefariousness in Eve has degenerated in the same vector as society in general. That is, it's not like everybody was nice in the game at one time (nobody ever was), but it seems that those who aren't now are showing a level of "meta" to their madness. It's not like before it started getting worse things like ransoms were honored and noobs were not so easily ganked 'for lulz". Capers of players who "should have known better" getting their comeuppance or pushing things too far on a gamble (or hubris) started to trail off and get replaced with "we pretended to be his friend then took all of his stuff and ganked him and kept his pod scrammed until he logged and we ain't seen him since!! WE'RE SO LEET!!!!"
Now compare western civilization now to how it was 9 years ago.
Also I cannot help thinking that it's also along the same vector the people are getting fed up with corrupt systems in representational parties, with 2016 being that kind of year of things coming to a head finally (as the people running those systems say "this is what we are going to do, your vote never counted, so what if it wrecks your country or your life, nyah nyah nyah), and here we are in 2016 and finally after all those years CFC is being challenged.
Direct relation? I doubt it's direct. But there certainly is a "spirit" going on out of game and it may well be "seeping" into the game here.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Zappity
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2828
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Posted - 2016.04.18 04:59:37 -
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Stalker Ofeveryone wrote:Goons aren't going anywhere. I think people have started believing their own propaganda. For starters the groups involved have no interest in keeping dek. They've all stated they're "burning sov", cool keep kicking over those space flags. Next, the moment PL get bored/train for AT etc, the coalition will lose the one major power carrying them around on the backs of their supers.
Let's assume they actually keep dek, cool, we'll go somewhere else. We'll be unleashed upon the great unwashed masses of highsec. With a refreshed, and agitated alliance ready to burn ****. Say what you want of the other alliances, but goons are growing in membership. I don't think goons will collapse. They will certainly shrink, especially from Section 8 corps, but I'd be surprised if goons didn't endure.
The real question is about how long the MBC will hunt goons for once Deklein is taken. The number probably increases every time Mittani gives one of those cringey 40k speeches. Honestly, they are getting embarrassing.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
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Sister MaryElephant
Stellar Conundrum
17
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Posted - 2016.04.18 07:01:50 -
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fofofofofofofofofofo
My what exciting (albeit one-sided) times we have here.
The pleasure derived from the line-by-line NaCl desiccant delivered by the estimable Mr lolLucas is exceeded only by Mittler's permanent ostrich impression........
The 2016 version of Goon is a sad shadow of 2006-2007 Goon.
Laughable. |
Stalker Ofeveryone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2016.04.18 07:11:48 -
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Zappity wrote:The real question is about how long the MBC will hunt goons once Deklein is taken.
They'll probably do a half assed effort to make it look like they're still 'super duper serious', then slowly walk out the back door. I mean, the only "hunting" they're doing so far is kicking sandcastles over. |
Zappity
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2828
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Posted - 2016.04.18 07:30:01 -
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Stalker Ofeveryone wrote:I mean, the only "hunting" they're doing so far is kicking sandcastles over. As opposed to what? Camping the Saranen undock? You are deliberately not undocking anything meaningful so you can't legitimately complain when they go after what they CAN hit.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
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Mithandra
Catastrophic Operations RAZOR Alliance
524
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Posted - 2016.04.18 09:16:00 -
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Still here, for a given value of still, and here.
I'm getting almost as much enjoyment out of reading both sides of the forum war as I'm getting from fleeting up and not flying safe :)
Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
305
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Posted - 2016.04.18 09:56:06 -
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Loyalty makes people do such strange things doesn't it? Quite a few imperium members seem to be incapable of thinking that goons may be at an end, meanwhile the rest of eve is ripping their sov from them.
If I were goons and wanted to win, I'd use my spy network to smash a few enemies and show not to mess with goons. Find out about super movements or whatever and hit back, not all of your opponents are non-sov holders. Your whole mantra has been "blueball or decimate, aim to win" but it seems you have lost that will, sitting in saranen isn't going to win you anything.
A case for more AoE in EvE
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Geronimo McVain
McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc
30
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Posted - 2016.04.18 10:06:16 -
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To keep moral up you need some of these:
1. Fanatics: Well, they have some 2. spoils: A loosing battle gives no spoils. 3. vision: missing, except something spezific like: We will win.......... 4. Moral boosting action: missing. Even if you go down in a big BOOM it will keep your troops together because they have something to show but hiding will not only grind on the enemy.
If the leaders miss the right time Goon will not go down but fade away. Some members are complaining that they are missing chances to rat or otherwise make money. And if they wait to long MBC will tear down their capitals one by one as they take the systems and the POSs |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11570
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Posted - 2016.04.18 10:07:17 -
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Mr Mieyli wrote:Loyalty makes people do such strange things doesn't it? Quite a few imperium members seem to be incapable of thinking that goons may be at an end, meanwhile the rest of eve is ripping their sov from them.
If I were goons and wanted to win, I'd use my spy network to smash a few enemies and show not to mess with goons. Find out about super movements or whatever and hit back, not all of your opponents are non-sov holders. Your whole mantra has been "blueball or decimate, aim to win" but it seems you have lost that will, sitting in saranen isn't going to win you anything.
you're right, goonswarm has absolutely never lost all of its space before
buuut we actually have and we're still around
Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."
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