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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
711
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Posted - 2016.04.21 19:03:54 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:The problem with the 'IWIs ISk is the only reason this war is happening' narrative is it ignores the part where goons spent the best part of six years making people hate them enough to want to dogpile them if the chance arose. Take that away and what have you got? A bunch of mercs with no motivation beyond getting paid who stick rigidly to the contract then go home once its done, whereas what we have now is a group thats been motivated enough to blast through six whole regions of sov lasers and node fights and still has the will to make sure goons are ended before we declare things done.
Taking LSV as an example, we had every reason to come and help kick the imperiums ass even before IWI offered us a share of the money. Most of LSV had been fightng the Imperium for almost a month before the IWI thing even broke so their Isk literally means nothing to us, IWI could give up tomorrow and we'd still be out there fleeting up killing goons and burning their stuff.
This war in its most basic form is the imperium in general, and goons in particular, reaping what they've spent years sowing.
Except if it wasn't to do with the ISK, there's no reason it wouldn't have already happened. You're seriously trying to suggest that people just so happened to get riled up enough to have this war just at the same time IWI started paying people just by sheer coincidence?
Yes thats exactly what I'm saying, the only thing that had to happen was that the Imperium needed to show weakness, which they did when the viceroy program failed and again when LSV kicked them out of lowsec entirely. Look I dont doubt IWIs contributions have helped bring in a bunch of people who might otherwise have sat out the war but as soon as the blood hit the water something like this was going to happen, it was just a matter of when and how big.
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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
140
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Posted - 2016.04.21 19:10:36 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:]And they shouldn't be. You certainly shouldn't have to write software to remain competitive, which is what you are suggesting.
I respect that that's your opinion, but I disagree. A sandbox environment adds a lot of complexity making it a better game. You don't have to know how to write code. You just have to know how to leverage people in game who do. That's the beauty of the multiplayer aspect. This isn't call of duty.
Quote:I know right? Which is why when you asked me that exact question I said yes. Once again, you're inability to read has nothing to do with me.
Isaac "I can't be bothered to read opposibng arguments yet still have the nerve to claim they are wrong" Armer, everyone.
I hear what you're saying. I disagree with it. I would respect what you're saying more if you weren't cherry picking 3rd party software. Your stance is hypocritical, which is why I can't respect it. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7489
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Posted - 2016.04.21 19:53:21 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:Yes thats exactly what I'm saying, the only thing that had to happen was that the Imperium needed to show weakness, which they did when the viceroy program failed and again when LSV kicked them out of lowsec entirely. Look I dont doubt IWIs contributions have helped bring in a bunch of people who might otherwise have sat out the war but as soon as the blood hit the water something like this was going to happen, it was just a matter of when and how big. It might be the case that they would have wanted to, but without the isk to do so they may not have actually done it. The wya I see it, if a dude can afford a trillion a week to pay for mercs then no group is safe, and there's no in game means to fight back.
Isaac Armer wrote:I respect that that's your opinion, but I disagree. A sandbox environment adds a lot of complexity making it a better game. You don't have to know how to write code. You just have to know how to leverage people in game who do. Sandboxes still have their boundaries. At the end of the day if it were fully open then there should be no rules. What people can do they should be able to, so bots should be fully allowed if your want a sandbox with no boundaries.
Isaac Armer wrote:I hear what you're saying. I disagree with it. I would respect what you're saying more if you weren't cherry picking 3rd party software. Your stance is hypocritical, which is why I can't respect it. But I'm not cherry picking, I'm prioritising. Like I said, I'd be happy to see all third party software banned, but some I give more effort in fighting than others based on the impact they have. If anything you are the one with the hypocritical stance, since you're happy to have bots banned, but not happy to have IWI banned. Why is that? They are both third party software and both undeniably give an advantage.
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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
140
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Posted - 2016.04.21 20:00:28 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Sandboxes still have their boundaries. At the end of the day if it were fully open then there should be no rules. What people can do they should be able to, so bots should be fully allowed if your want a sandbox with no boundaries.
But I'm not cherry picking, I'm prioritising. Like I said, I'd be happy to see all third party software banned, but some I give more effort in fighting than others based on the impact they have. If anything you are the one with the hypocritical stance, since you're happy to have bots banned, but not happy to have IWI banned. Why is that? They are both third party software and both undeniably give an advantage.
I'm 100% convinced you don't listen to yourself when you talk now. Bots aren't people playing in game. IWI gains 100% of isk by player donations to other players actively at a keyboard in game. They haven't earned a red cent outside of the game.
I will repeat that slower, since you seem to have a comprehension problem. As long as it's a player making the ISK in game through in game means (which IWI is, given 100% of ISK trades hands by active players in game) there is no problem. Following your logic, we should ban people from paying ISK for putting together a google doc spreadsheet for an ore buyback program, which is just as ridiculous as what you're saying. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7489
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Posted - 2016.04.21 20:25:39 -
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Isaac Armer wrote:I'm 100% convinced you don't listen to yourself when you talk now. Bots aren't people playing in game. IWI gains 100% of isk by player donations to other players actively at a keyboard in game. They haven't earned a red cent outside of the game. Market bots earn 100% of their isk by players buying and selling their items in game. Even mining bots collect only resources which are then sold. And in ALL of those cases - including IWI - the gaining of the income is increased over a normal player by the use of the third party application. Without the application IWI would not make that much isk.
Isaac Armer wrote:since you seem to have a comprehension problem That means absolutely nothing coming from the player who has repeatedly argued against arguments I never made.
Isaac Armer wrote:As long as it's a player making the ISK in game through in game means (which IWI is, given 100% of ISK trades hands by active players in game) there is no problem. Oh, you mean like ISBoxer did for example? Oh wait.. Hell, try to make an EVE bank which allows characters to transfer isk to each other and charge them an isk fee for it, see how quickly you get shut down.
Isaac Armer wrote:Following your logic, we should ban people from paying ISK for putting together a google doc spreadsheet for an ore buyback program, which is just as ridiculous as what you're saying. Well since I've already agreed that all third party apps should be disallowed, that makes total sense. Again though the priority for their removal would be based on how much benefit they give and how available they are to other players, so I'd get rid of IWI before I get rid of ore buyback applications, but I'd get rid of ore buyback programs before I got rid of killboards for example.
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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
143
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Posted - 2016.04.21 20:44:39 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:even more stuff
1. market bots aren't players. They are computer programs interacting directly with the game client. IWI is real players interacting real time with zero computer program interfacing with the client. Try again.
2. ISBoxer is yet again a computer program interfacing with the client, not a player, again irrelevant to what IWI is doing.
3. Your argument that "all third party apps should be shut down" would destroy EVE as it is today. You're intelligent enough to know that that simply won't happen, so you're using that to try and justify your thinly hidden agenda of complaining about people in game who you haven't figured out how to beat yet.
Try again slugger.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7489
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Posted - 2016.04.21 21:48:58 -
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Whatever way you swing it they are all third party applications designed to facilitate increased income. Stop being such a hypocrite.
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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
144
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Posted - 2016.04.21 21:59:20 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Whatever way you swing it they are all third party applications designed to facilitate increased income. Stop being such a hypocrite.
I support all of them being legal, as long as the ISK changes hands in game, no computer program is controlling a client, and no RMT is going on. How am I a hypocrite, exactly? Do you know what that word means? |
Starrakatt
Run and Gun Mercenary Corps
FETID
457
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Posted - 2016.04.22 01:31:19 -
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You all are just feeding the troll, and he enjoys it.
Stop being puppets he strings along.
Do like I did.
Block him.
Sneaky bastard.
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Chewytowel Haklar
Project RESET
143
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Posted - 2016.04.22 01:37:34 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Whatever way you swing it they are all third party applications designed to facilitate increased income. Stop being such a hypocrite.
Perhaps you should stop being one as well? Your alliance was the one that started this major war, attracted these bankers attention after your own members pre-emptively hacked their IWI server. You are the reason Goons campaign into LoSec was lost, and why a now massive army is sitting in Goon space roflstomping it. If anything you look like a huge sore loser. Maybe you should admit that you guys screwed up majorly and cost your own alliance and the Goons everything they had going for them?
But nah, let's just pretend IWI are the big evil bad guys. I mean sure they can chose to fund whatever war they want, but if they do I suppose everyone can thank you for it.
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/04/21/eve-online-world-war-bee-mittani/3/
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Josef Djugashvilis
3356
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Posted - 2016.04.22 07:22:33 -
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The goons will not recover or have any meaningful future in Eve until Mittens is handed his cup of Hemlock.
Many of them know this, but are too scared to come out and say it in public for fear of been seen as 'disloyal' to the tribe.
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
11572
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Posted - 2016.04.22 07:36:26 -
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are you saying the goons 0.0 dream is over?
Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
11572
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Posted - 2016.04.22 07:40:39 -
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because the last guy that said that stopped playing when, in fact, our 0.0 dream was not quite over
Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Geronimo McVain
McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc
33
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Posted - 2016.04.22 07:46:40 -
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What is the Mittani best in: Media war.
What is going in here: constant complaint over IWI. And declining the victorys of MBC because it is "only" because of the IWI money.
Here rockpapershotgun is a good article that shows the huge involvement of IWI but also shows that it's certainly not the only reason.
No matter whats your opinion of the war: it's good for EVE because there is a lot of movement and all of goon space is taken there are huge space areas that need new masters. So even if goon are done, and they are far from this, there will be war in north for a long time until it is all settled. The best thing, for eve, would be if the goon would pack and start somewhere else from scratch because that would stir up even more of Null. Constant denying of fun and just harrassing the winners on the other hand would be bad in the long run for both sides and Eve in general. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7489
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Posted - 2016.04.22 09:08:29 -
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You support some third party programs but not others, hypocrite.
If you're going to completely ignore everything I say and keep stating the same BS, then I will too.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
231
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Posted - 2016.04.22 10:08:18 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:...If you're going to completely ignore everything I say and keep stating the same BS, then I will too.
Everyone has known this for a while.
You completely ignore what others say and keep stating the same BS.
Maybe now you've realized that you'll stop, but I doubt it. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7489
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Posted - 2016.04.22 11:41:02 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Everyone has known this for a while.
You completely ignore what others say and keep stating the same BS.
Maybe now you've realized that you'll stop, but I doubt it. Except of course that's not what's happened at all. I read the questions, I give full answers, then people like Isaac completely ignore everything said and throw up another straw man. People like you then sit around chiming in with insults and memes. I'm up for a civil discussion, but apparently that's too difficult for many people on here.
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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
604
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Posted - 2016.04.22 12:41:46 -
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And another war thread gets Lucas'd.
Not surprised.
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
145
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Posted - 2016.04.22 13:02:59 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:You support some third party programs but not others, hypocrite.
If you're going to completely ignore everything I say and keep stating the same BS, then I will too.
You're really stretching now mate. This is just getting sad. What third party programs, assuming they don't pass commands to a game client did I say I didn't support?
Are you a troll, really, really bad at propaganda, or just angry enough you need to argue online to get your rocks off? I'm genuinely curious. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
711
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Posted - 2016.04.22 15:31:33 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:Yes thats exactly what I'm saying, the only thing that had to happen was that the Imperium needed to show weakness, which they did when the viceroy program failed and again when LSV kicked them out of lowsec entirely. Look I dont doubt IWIs contributions have helped bring in a bunch of people who might otherwise have sat out the war but as soon as the blood hit the water something like this was going to happen, it was just a matter of when and how big. It might be the case that they would have wanted to, but without the isk to do so they may not have actually done it. The wya I see it, if a dude can afford a trillion a week to pay for mercs then no group is safe, and there's no in game means to fight back.
That's a fair point except for one thing, IWI have no reason to wardec anyone unless they specifically go out of their way to **** IWI off just like SMA did. Lenny only went ahead with the merc program because Eep and Ironbank said they would back him and why would they do that if he decided to dec someone who has done nothing to affect IWI in any way.
Youve been obsessing so much over the fact they CAN do this thing that you've been ignoring the factors governing if they WOULD do that thing. I shouldnt have to say this but IWI is in the business of making money and its the height of bad business practice to go around blowing up your customers when thats your overall objective. There has to be an overwhelmingly good reason to go against their interests like that and outside of cases where people deliberately poke the bear I just dont see that happening.
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron
1746
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Posted - 2016.04.22 16:07:02 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:Yes thats exactly what I'm saying, the only thing that had to happen was that the Imperium needed to show weakness, which they did when the viceroy program failed and again when LSV kicked them out of lowsec entirely. Look I dont doubt IWIs contributions have helped bring in a bunch of people who might otherwise have sat out the war but as soon as the blood hit the water something like this was going to happen, it was just a matter of when and how big. It might be the case that they would have wanted to, but without the isk to do so they may not have actually done it. The wya I see it, if a dude can afford a trillion a week to pay for mercs then no group is safe, and there's no in game means to fight back. That's a fair point except for one thing, IWI have no reason to wardec anyone unless they specifically go out of their way to **** IWI off just like SMA did. Lenny only went ahead with the merc program because Eep and Ironbank said they would back him and why would they do that if he decided to dec someone who has done nothing to affect IWI in any way. Youve been obsessing so much over the fact they CAN do this thing that you've been ignoring the factors governing if they WOULD do that thing. I shouldnt have to say this but IWI is in the business of making money and its the height of bad business practice to go around blowing up your customers when thats your overall objective. There has to be an overwhelmingly good reason to go against their interests like that and outside of cases where people deliberately poke the bear I just dont see that happening.
"have no reason" does not work in Eve Online, mate..... Reason is always here: 'wreck their dreams' CCP(c)
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7489
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Posted - 2016.04.22 16:16:07 -
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No, what's sad is that you feel you can completely fabricate my points of view then call me a hypocrite. You don;t actually want to bother reading posts so I'm not going to bother writing them, I'll just switch to your tactic.
That's a fair point except for one thing, IWI have no reason to wardec anyone unless they specifically go out of their way to **** IWI off just like SMA did. Lenny only went ahead with the merc program because Eep and Ironbank said they would back him and why would they do that if he decided to dec someone who has done nothing to affect IWI in any way.
Darek Castigatus wrote:That's a fair point except for one thing, IWI have no reason to wardec anyone unless they specifically go out of their way to **** IWI off just like SMA did. Lenny only went ahead with the merc program because Eep and Ironbank said they would back him and why would they do that if he decided to dec someone who has done nothing to affect IWI in any way. It's a game. Noone really has any reason to declare war against anyone, yet wars get declared. You're happy not fighting against having a third party application allowing someone to have an untouchable income stream, that's fine and I respect that opinion, but I can't agree with it.
Darek Castigatus wrote:Youve been obsessing so much over the fact they CAN do this thing that you've been ignoring the factors governing if they WOULD do that thing. I shouldnt have to say this but IWI is in the business of making money and its the height of bad business practice to go around blowing up your customers when that's your overall objective. There has to be an overwhelmingly good reason to go against their interests like that and outside of cases where people deliberately poke the bear I just dont see that happening. I doubt any single group contains a big enough portion of their customer base to be worth not attacking, not to mention that attacking their alliance doesn't necessarily mean the individual members stop using IWI. As they've stated about this war though, their activity has doubled by funding this war, meaning more income. That seems like a pretty good reason to me to do it again.
Ed: and with the citadels release there's nothing stopping IWI pushing to hold the new Jita too. They have enough income from their third party application to pay mercs against half of eve if they have to until it's self sustaining, something not many other alliances would be capable of doing, as everyone else earns isk with in-game mechanics.
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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
146
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Posted - 2016.04.22 16:57:33 -
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you accused me of being a hypocrite by cherry picking third party apps. What specific third party apps did I say I didn't want in the game?
Either answer the question of stop being ridiculous.
Come on Lukey-boy. You can answer a direct question. I believe in you.
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
The Wraithguard.
249
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Posted - 2016.04.22 17:22:09 -
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Let's get back to the basics here. Low/null space is supposedly defended by PvP oriented podsuleers. Diplomacy can aid in rallying more troops, money can buy mercenariers. But at the end of the day, you need PvPers.
Groups without them belong in highsec.
It is quite normal for PvPers to disdain carebears reaping fat rewards in vast swaths of rich space they can't defend.
I read your arguments, but I still don't believe ISK is the problem here. Solely focusing on PvE activities for years, ISK is pretty much the only thing you had (and still have) in spades. It was manned guns that lost the war, not empty wallets.
Bottom line: the area of space designed for your playstyle is Highsec.
Ironbank may hire mercs for another war at some point. ISK will change hands, and shortly afterwards ammunition shall be traded. This is healthy for the game and its economy. Stagnation serves no one. You too can use your stack of cash to hire mercs to do Your bidding!
As has been pointed out before, however ..... it wasn't Ironbank who started the war. It was the Goon's viceroyalty program. You basically declared war on the rest of EvE, and lost. Shadow Carted did a good number on y'all without funding, as did Gevlon with money out of his own back pocket.
What grrr goons are going to do now? Given the fact they're still in possession of most of their rolling assets, minus the fertile grounds, I expect the carebears to jump ship and the die-hards to reform into a military force once more. The carebears may end up renting their old space from new overlords; the more obnoxious ones nobody wants will likely end up running missions in highsec.
Given the amount of salt radiating from one person in particular here, I suggest you reassess your reasons for playing this game: what are your goals, and how do you want to achieve them? Is fun still in the package somewhere? War is fun - and we thank you for starting it! Now be a good sport, admit defeat and live to fight another day. Or don't fight and carebear it up in high -- all up to you. But please, for the love of BoB, don't be a sour loser.
Please remember your posts reflect poorly on the Spacemonkey Alliance as a whole - whether you like it or not. Do you really need to display more weakness, more tears, more salt? Is it wise to invite more response from those who would farm you for lulz?
In my humble opinion - and I may be off the mark here - but in my opinion, SMA needs time to regroup, recover from the blow and craft new plans. It is a time to lay low and bide your time to at some point later on emerge from the ashes and step into the spotlight of relevance. You are not doing your alliance a favour. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7490
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Posted - 2016.04.22 17:48:38 -
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Isaac Armer wrote:yet more stuff I do answer direct questions, you simply ignore the answer. Now stop being a hypocrite.
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:I read your arguments, but I still don't believe ISK is the problem here. Solely focusing on PvE activities for years, ISK is pretty much the only thing you had (and still have) in spades. It was manned guns that lost the war, not empty wallets. That's great if we're talking about just this war, but we're not. It's easy to point at this war and say "all the other factors, etc, etc" but outside of this war it still doesn't change the fact that there's a third party application allowing the acquisition of a staggering amount of isk giving one set of players an advantage over players who are just playing EVE the way it's built.
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Please remember your posts reflect poorly on the Spacemonkey Alliance as a whole - whether you like it or not. Do you really need to display more weakness, more tears, more salt? Is it wise to invite more response from those who would farm you for lulz? vOv, couldn't care less, and if SMA care enough they can boot me. And if a bunch of 12 year old reddit posters want to sit around declaring opinions as salt and tears, they are welcome to do that too. At the end of the day I'm not going to change my opinion just because someone thinks fighting for balance is displaying weakness, and certainly not if their method of attacking that is in the form of overused memes rather than reasonable thought out counterpoints.
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:In my humble opinion - and I may be off the mark here - but in my opinion, SMA needs time to regroup, recover from the blow and craft new plans. It is a time to lay low and bide your time to at some point later on emerge from the ashes and step into the spotlight of relevance. You are not doing your alliance a favour. Sure we do, and that's what we're doing. My posting doesn't affect the fact that we remain on friendly terms with the Imperium, and so it makes no difference as people will be paid to attack us until we don't exist or we set goons red. Quite honestly if someone is so upset by my posting they choose to continue an entire war against my alliance for it then I'm deeply honoured and take it as a reinforcement of my points.
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Josef Djugashvilis
3356
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Posted - 2016.04.22 17:58:41 -
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Dearest Lucas, if CCP had a problem with IWI they would deal with it, as this does not appear to be the case thus far, then IWI are perfectly entitled to fund anything they want to for any reason.
CCP set the rules of the play-box, stop crying and deal with it.
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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
150
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Posted - 2016.04.22 18:24:37 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:I do answer direct questions, you simply ignore the answer. Now stop being a hypocrite.
For the third time tiger, what third party apps did I say I don't support?
Be specific. You don't really know what a hypocrite is, do you?
Lucas "when I'm proven wrong, I resort to trolling to try and save face" Kell
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
The Wraithguard.
253
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Posted - 2016.04.22 19:59:44 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:That's great if we're talking about just this war, but we're not.
Actually, we are. You're posting in the wrong thread.
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Bishop Bob
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2016.04.22 23:32:39 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:That's great if we're talking about just this war, but we're not. Actually, we are. You're posting in the wrong thread.
I thought he posted in every thread? |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
236
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Posted - 2016.04.23 01:25:01 -
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Bishop Bob wrote:Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:That's great if we're talking about just this war, but we're not. Actually, we are. You're posting in the wrong thread. I thought he posted wrong in every thread?
FTFY |
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