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Tibrius Archer hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.14 19:14:00 - [31] Originally by: Aterna I don't see why anyone would ever fit undersized guns on the Myrmidon. It has plenty of powergrid to fit medium guns. I think what you meant to say in your OP is that it encourages using Projectiles instead of Hybrid weapons, as they have lower fitting, somewhat less dps, and no cap use. While using small guns on it saves a huge amount of grid, there's almost no way to use all of that grid, unless the setup calls for multiple 1600 plates. Which there isn't any reason for, as 1 cripples the ship's mobility and adds about 50% more armor to the ship. A lot of people advocate autocannons, because while they are not in the same league as a rack of blasters, they deal out quality damage while allowing the pilot to dedicate his entire capacitor towards tanking. Also, the higher falloff allows the pilot to start shooting sooner, say at 10km or 12km vs 5km for blasters. Most drone users know to rescoop the things once they start getting damage, and since you intend to be up in their face with your ship, it shouldn't be hard to scoop up the drone before it gets popped. All of this does not mean the Myrmidon is not a good ship. It means that it is an incredibly versatile ship, that can fit a large variety of setups, making it hard to predict if people would use something besides the standard six nos and whee! setups seen so commonly. What makes this ship, and really all drone ships, somewhat broken, is the dronebay mechanic. It can be difficult to master, and takes some micromanagement, but if pulled off correctly, makes countering the ship hard, if not borderline impossible. Expect NOS to get fixed soon, expect the nano fad to get killed, but the drone bay mechanic will probably stay until drones themselves get another much needed overhaul. Good points. But what if your not gallante. What if your amarr? and you want a exploit ship that does away with your racial bonus to give you the ability to rape? and you are not a year old and thus the curse is too far away nor do you want to wase time dead ending gallante criuser skills. NOS+DRONE+MWD combo is deadly. It really is. On there own there formidable, but together ***************************************** "Get in my way and I will burn your fleet from stem to stern"
Tibrius Archer hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.14 19:20:00 - [32] Originally by: ForeverKnight To all that: because with my skills I can comfortably fit a full Tech 2 dual repper tank with a full rack of med ion blasters (Tech II) so why would I use anything smaller? All of that PG would go to waste. Also I hit just fine on cruisers when they are webbed with medium blasters using Void (skills again). Hell sometimes in gangs I fit a dual web setup and can even hit interceptors for full damage using Void. You really cannot fit a better tank on using smalls? You sure? Your midslot setup could not be enhanced by all that grid+CPU? you sure? No high slots are wasted in your setup aswell? Are you sure? Sure theres not a checky small NOS in there where there could be a medium one? No? Well then you are right. Though if your willing to post your setup I am sure it could be improved for the exact purpose your using it for now. ***************************************** "Get in my way and I will burn your fleet from stem to stern"
ForeverKnight Caldari World Order	Posted - 2007.02.14 19:24:00 - [33] Edited by: ForeverKnight on 14/02/2007 19:21:14 6x Heavy Ion II MWD, Cap booster, 3x EW or web or scrambler mods 2x Medium armor repairers (faction or best named) 4x lowslots for hardeners or damage mods And enough CPU to go around. Not sure how I can fit a better ship if I had more PG and didn't want to fit a plate. If I was to use one electron blaster I could fit tech 2 med armor repairers.
Arte Warspite Developments	Posted - 2007.02.14 19:30:00 - [34] Originally by: Tibrius Archer Like I said, no loss in damage over medium ions with just 1 mag stab mate. You problaby drop things faster and quicker with smalls as they just wreck on criuser class targets and track like a mofo. U talk about being quick too... small guns will enable you to start hitting just after you turn of say a MWD too. Also don't have to add a plate or make the ship slow for a fat tank?. Why not use the saved CPU to use T2 hardners instead of T1. Also that extra CPU could be used to realise some EW that is really not possible CPU wise if using a IONs . Oh and if you want to fit a little NOS the cpu will help there. Reconsider. What is sounds like to me is that you think it makes more sense to use small guns on this ship for all the reasons you list above... ...and because of that, the ship is abhorent to you and everyone should say it's a pile of poo because they dare to either work around or take advantage of the fact that it doesn't have a gun bonus Lots of other players in here are saying, "don't fit small guns, try.... [whatever]" and you then say they're all flaming you and trolls and not worth listening to. Why did you post If you're going to propose a question... ...but it's possible you won't like the answer... ......then don't ask it in the first place
Tibrius Archer hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.14 19:44:00 - [35] Originally by: ForeverKnight Edited by: ForeverKnight on 14/02/2007 19:27:20 Edited by: ForeverKnight on 14/02/2007 19:21:14 6x Heavy Ion II MWD, Cap booster, 3x EW or web or scrambler mods 2x Medium armor repairers (faction or best named) 4x lowslots for hardeners or damage mods 5x tech 2 heavy drones And enough CPU to go around. Not sure how I can fit a better ship if I had more PG and didn't want to fit a plate. If I was to use one electron blaster I could fit tech 2 med armor repairers. Again, if I was to go fight something against which I wanted a plate, I'd grab my dominix (which costs almost the same to fit and buy as a Myrmidon for me.) Okay. named reppers just don't cut it. Best market listed named is 10% worse than tech 2 for repping and thus 10% worse Cap to Hp effceincy plus medium accoms cost a bomb these days. By forcing the use of those named reppers your throwing away a nice bit of extra tank and ISK. In all honestly it depends on your other slots. If you can use the slot you would otherwise use to raise the dps of light Neutron to medium ions level to increase your resistances by 10%+ then you have won. Though as I said its not just a DPS choice Light guns really save cap when under heavy nos and the tracking enables the near insta popping of frigs and and enemy drones for that matter as drone ships get ever popular.... ***************************************** "Get in my way and I will burn your fleet from stem to stern"
Tibrius Archer hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.14 19:51:00 - [36] Originally by: Arte Originally by: Tibrius Archer Like I said, no loss in damage over medium ions with just 1 mag stab mate. You problaby drop things faster and quicker with smalls as they just wreck on criuser class targets and track like a mofo. U talk about being quick too... small guns will enable you to start hitting just after you turn of say a MWD too. Also don't have to add a plate or make the ship slow for a fat tank?. Why not use the saved CPU to use T2 hardners instead of T1. Also that extra CPU could be used to realise some EW that is really not possible CPU wise if using a IONs . Oh and if you want to fit a little NOS the cpu will help there. Reconsider. What is sounds like to me is that you think it makes more sense to use small guns on this ship for all the reasons you list above... ...and because of that, the ship is abhorent to you and everyone should say it's a pile of poo because they dare to either work around or take advantage of the fact that it doesn't have a gun bonus Lots of other players in here are saying, "don't fit small guns, try.... [whatever]" and you then say they're all flaming you and trolls and not worth listening to. Why did you post If you're going to propose a question... ...but it's possible you won't like the answer... ......then don't ask it in the first place I posted to express a view. To see if others have a few on the matter. I will accept clear and valid counter debate. Yes I will call comments like "hide your alliance ticker blah blah" as a flame because thatÆs what it is. A flame. Some people who have not agreed with me have posted some really valid comments and I have even commented, "Good post". Read through the original points think and post a reply that furthers the discussion like others have. Not just attempt at a "intelligent flame". ***************************************** "Get in my way and I will burn your fleet from stem to stern"
Sir Bart Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.14 20:01:00 - [37] Originally by: Kulmid So uh... did you read the OP? You agree that small blaster, nos and med drones, is not a way to go, but you also flamed someone for saying the same thing? Kinda ironic that you are the one that needs to re-read the op. Those two are disagreeing. The op feels that small guns and nos are cheesy to fit on a myrmidon but they are the best weapons to use on one. The person you're crituqing was saying that myrmidon is in fact best with medium guns, as the op feels it should be. -Bart
ForeverKnight Caldari World Order	Posted - 2007.02.14 20:19:00 - [38] Edited by: ForeverKnight on 14/02/2007 20:19:58 Originally by: Tibrius Archer Okay. named reppers just don't cut it. Best market listed named is 10% worse than tech 2 for repping and thus 10% worse Cap to Hp effceincy plus medium accoms cost a bomb these days. By forcing the use of those named reppers your throwing away a nice bit of extra tank and ISK. In all honestly it depends on your other slots. If you can use the slot you would otherwise use to raise the dps of light Neutron to medium ions level to increase your resistances by 10%+ then you have won. Though as I said its not just a DPS choice Light guns really save cap when under heavy nos and the tracking enables the near insta popping of frigs and and enemy drones for that matter as drone ships get ever popular.... That's why I said faction, they are just as good as tech 2 albeit costing more, I can drop one gun size down and get tech 2 on there. My setup has about the maximum sustainable tank (without plates) and can be configured different ways (EANMII's and DCU, Active hardeners, some mix etc.), and then puts the maximum gank on top of it (5x heavy ion II's, 1 electron II, or 6x heavy ion II's). If I wanted a gank myrmidon I could use 6 heavy ions, 3 MFS II's in the lows and still be able to fit a wicked passive shield tank on top of that. But then I sacrifice all my midslots. Thing is, if you want a plated tank, just go the extra mile and get a dominix for an extra 15 mil, and fit heavy nos/guns on it for even more gank than the myrmidon. If you have a myrmidon, don't waste its speed and repper bonus advantages for a plated tank. If I come across a plated/small gun myrmidon there's a very easy way to beat it. Put Null into your blasters and stay at around 7.5-10 km. I'm faster than he is and I can tank his drones while killing them. After they're all dead I don't even need my drones to kill him, and the pop in and out trick doesn't quite work when you're more than point-blank away from your target. The only thing that's better is a tech 2 autocannon Myrmidon ^.^ I'm working on that.
Tibrius Archer hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.14 20:33:00 - [39] Originally by: ForeverKnight Originally by: Tibrius Archer Okay. named reppers just don't cut it. Best market listed named is 10% worse than tech 2 for repping and thus 10% worse Cap to Hp effceincy plus medium accoms cost a bomb these days. By forcing the use of those named reppers your throwing away a nice bit of extra tank and ISK. In all honestly it depends on your other slots. If you can use the slot you would otherwise use to raise the dps of light Neutron to medium ions level to increase your resistances by 10%+ then you have won. Though as I said its not just a DPS choice Light guns really save cap when under heavy nos and the tracking enables the near insta popping of frigs and and enemy drones for that matter as drone ships get ever popular.... That's why I said faction, they are just as good as tech 2 albeit costing more, I can drop one gun size down and get tech 2 on there. My setup has about the maximum sustainable tank (without plates) and can be configured different ways (EANMII's and DCU, Active hardeners, some mix etc.), and then puts the maximum gank on top of it (5x heavy ion II's, 1 electron II, or 6x heavy ion II's). If I wanted a gank myrmidon I could use 6 heavy ions, 3 MFS II's in the lows and still be able to fit a wicked passive shield tank on top of that. But then I sacrifice all my midslots. Thing is, if you want a plated tank, just go the extra mile and get a dominix for an extra 15 mil, and fit heavy nos/guns on it for even more gank than the myrmidon. If you have a myrmidon, don't waste its speed and repper bonus advantages for a plated tank. Again I am not just saying plate the thing. Just the tracking and and cap use boost from smaller guns is high. high enough in my opinion to be worth using over ions cause the myrm has no 5% bonus. For your situatuon whatever it is I can see you want the DPS thats fine you problaby have a curse with you or something.... ....But to come back on the wider argument of the OP you could FIT some medium NOS and fill the rest of highs with light neutrons. On ther other gallante drone ships ishtar/vexor/Domi NOS is equal slot for slot with guns (if not greater).... but with no damage bonus the balance is tiped in NOSes favour. Your setup may be perfect for what you want. But I feel a overall NOS light neutron mix would do better in 1v1. ***************************************** "Get in my way and I will burn your fleet from stem to stern"
Neuromandis EPSILON TEAM Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.14 20:35:00 - [40] The myrmidon is one of the best ships in the game. The OP is inaccurate, because it states the following reasons as the reasons that the "general public" feels the myrmidon is good. I say it is Not because it does not have a damage bonus to hybrids (that was "implied" when you said it encouraged people to use other guns) Not because it can fit nos (that was implied when you said that you can fit ships in all other ships as well) Not because it can fit small guns (that was directly said) BUT Because: It packs BS damage in a fast BC package (in the form of its drones) Because it has a very good slot layout Because it can tank, gank and tackle in the same sentence You say you would use a dominix instead of it? ok then, riddle me this. Why would you use a prophecy instead of an apocalypse/armageddon? Why would you use a drake instead of a raven? Insert your own answer to your own question - same reason to use the myrmidon instead of the dominix. What are you talking about? You say it is a bad ship because its "ownage" comes from fitting what you inaccurately describe as "borderline exploit" fittings. I answer: What is exploiting about fitting a completely classic blaster/nos/mwd/web/scram/tank/damage mods and completely owning? With the most classic setup possible, you find it is not good enough? Go calculate dps dealed and tanked, and we can talk again about the factors that decide when a ship is good.
ForeverKnight Caldari World Order	Posted - 2007.02.14 20:51:00 - [41] Nos+light neutrons would do better for endurance fighting. Like taking on a battleship or a heavily tanked battlecruiser. But just the raw DPS of med blasters+heavy drones is enought to pop a 1600mm plate-rax in less than 30 seconds for example. Nothing smaller than a battleship (or a passive shield tank) can tank that kind of damage for long. Is it a specialized setup? Yes! Is it an effective setup? Yes! Is it fun to fly? Hell Yeah! Not saying that nos-myrmidons don't have advantages, but to be quite honest, they are more geared toward people with lower SP who need the extra endurance than the gun setups.
Tibrius Archer hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.14 20:58:00 - [42] Originally by: Neuromandis The myrmidon is one of the best ships in the game. The OP is inaccurate, because it states the following reasons as the reasons that the "general public" feels the myrmidon is good. I say it is Not because it does not have a damage bonus to hybrids (that was "implied" when you said it encouraged people to use other guns) Not because it can fit nos (that was implied when you said that you can fit ships in all other ships as well) Not because it can fit small guns (that was directly said) BUT Because: It packs BS damage in a fast BC package (in the form of its drones) Because it has a very good slot layout Because it can tank, gank and tackle in the same sentence You say you would use a dominix instead of it? ok then, riddle me this. Why would you use a prophecy instead of an apocalypse/armageddon? Why would you use a drake instead of a raven? Insert your own answer to your own question - same reason to use the myrmidon instead of the dominix. What are you talking about? You say it is a bad ship because its "ownage" comes from fitting what you inaccurately describe as "borderline exploit" fittings. I answer: What is exploiting about fitting a completely classic blaster/nos/mwd/web/scram/tank/damage mods and completely owning? With the most classic setup possible, you find it is not good enough? Go calculate dps dealed and tanked, and we can talk again about the factors that decide when a ship is good. Ok. Some good points. It has a good slot layout as the devs feel it needs this to make up for the %5 damage bonus. Problem is this layout can be used to mount a NOSy platform that would not even use the 5% bonus if it was there. I.E a ship that lends itself even more to wrong size wrong race gun whoring than ever before. I admitt that a classic fitting as you said can work. But it I also feel it would get its as handed to it by a NOS/neut myrm pilot of the same skills in the same whay a blaster Domi although good losses to a NOS domi. prophacy to geddon argument is different as they both have different base resistances both use different primary weapon systems. "You say you would use a dominix instead of it? ok then, riddle me this. Why would you use a prophecy instead of an apocalypse/armageddon? Why would you use a drake instead of a raven? Insert your own answer to your own question - same reason to use the myrmidon instead of the dominix." THe domi has the same main DPS weapon system as myrm with all the same advantages and disadvanatges. The weapon ranges and damage output and cap use are all different between the apoc/geddon and the amarr BC's hence the. there both drone boats that can use the same 5 drones thats why they can be compared like that. Riddle solved. P.S gotto go get ready birds coming round. laters ***************************************** "Get in my way and I will burn your fleet from stem to stern"
ForeverKnight Caldari World Order	Posted - 2007.02.14 21:14:00 - [43] The Myrmidon and Dominix can't be compared to each other....the myrmidon is the only Top-Tier drone ship in the game, the Dominix is a Bottom-Tier droneship.
Norvys Kerens Gallente Terror Knights	Posted - 2007.02.14 21:38:00 - [44] Originally by: Kulmid Originally by: Norvys Kerens Originally by: Galen Silas Wow, obviously you have not fought anyone who knows what there doing with the myrm. QFT The Myrmidon is a superb ship. medium blasters, heavy drones it just tears other ships to pieces, it's awesome. Yeah people can fit NOS on it, but I don't understand why they would based upon my personal experience in this ship. So uh... did you read the OP? He was talking about nos and small guns on the Myrm and medium drones were mentioned in there too, and you are now flaming someone for saying that's not a good way of fitting it then: Originally by: Norvys Kerens medium blasters, heavy drones You agree that small blaster, nos and med drones, is not a way to go, but you also flamed someone for saying the same thing? I wasn't flaming him I was just disagreeing with him, this is a forum for discussion after all. I'd be greatful if you could please point out the part in my post where I "flamed" the OP thanks. As I understood it the OP seemed to be suggesting that the Myrm was a ship that encouraged the use of small guns and NOS, I was arguing that in fact a good Myrm setup has neither small guns nor NOS fitted. ok? make sure you know what the hell you're talking about before you go accusing people of flaming in future. thanks.
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm	Posted - 2007.02.14 21:42:00 - [45] hey, i have an idea! lets fix these borked drone boats. make em as god intended. no ability to fit different sized guns on ships... ie: no small guns on cruiser hulls etc.... THEN we will give all non NOS specialized ships 1 or 2 nos hardpoints. I think that would make the ishtar, domi and myrm exactly the kind of boats they should be.
SN3263827 The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.02.14 22:03:00 - [46] Edited by: SN3263827 on 14/02/2007 21:59:55 Originally by: HankMurphy hey, i have an idea! lets fix these borked drone boats. make em as god intended. no ability to fit different sized guns on ships... ie: no small guns on cruiser hulls etc.... THEN we will give all non NOS specialized ships 1 or 2 nos hardpoints. I think that would make the ishtar, domi and myrm exactly the kind of boats they should be. Go ahead. I never fit more than 2 nos on a domi or myrm, unless specifically outfitting to nuke a capital's capacitor. With a well-managed cap injector, my autocannon myrm/domi will completely decimate a nos-domi or nos-myrm, because all the powergrid they would be using for tank is in nos, and I don't care. To the OP: You're justifying your small guns to fit a plate and a damage mod. That is an awful setup. A plate makes you sluggish, and is no great improvement over the extra hardener/rep you would have in its place. And then you've lost another low to fit your magstab. Please never touch my Gallente ships again. _____________________________________________
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.14 22:25:00 - [47] Dunno I killed quite few of them, their size makes it easy to bump them off gates/stations. I think it could be good ship if fitted properly. Too bad taht eos is only 50mil more expensive, otherwise i'd actually try it. -------- .....
Jas Dor Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.14 22:56:00 - [48] Originally by: Tibrius Archer Edited by: Tibrius Archer on 14/02/2007 18:49:16 Originally by: ForeverKnight Let's compare how the Dominix stacks up against the Mega, which is a gunship. It has 2 less highslots, 1 more mid, same lows. It has less powergrid so it can't really fit guns larger than electrons. Now the Myrmidon has 1 less highslot than the Brutix, 1 more low, 1 more mid, it has _MORE_ powergrid than the brutix. Which just screams for a medium gun fitting in my opinion. The myrmidon in my opinion is a combination gunship/droneship, because of its limited dronebay you shouldn't consider it a pure droneship. There have been several cases where I have been able to win fights with multiple smaller ships even when they were able to kill all my drones because I fit a full rack of heavy ions. Yeah I see your point. With no bonus though why not save all that grid and CPU used on medium guns for a big plate and a injector and some fat tanking? A light Neutron cannon does 85.7% the damage of a medium Electron gun, Ions only do 5% more than a eletron of the same class. All that grid and CPU used to fit Ions could have fitted Light neutrons and you would not have been loosing out as the myrm has no 5% medium hybrid bonus, eh? With 1 magstab II you could have made back the 20% dps loss of using small neutrons. The result would be a setup that used less cap had greater tracking and problaby a 70%+ pg saving and loads of CPU saving all for the cost of a low slot.... my point stands. The only problem I see with this is that your wrong. Each gun size doubles damage from the size before (large is twice the damage of medium which is twice the damage of small) against SHIPS OF THE CORRECT SIZE. Pull out the tracking guide and see what I mean. Tracking and falloff are huge factors in actual DPS downrange. If you take out tracking and range each size increase is only an extra 1/3 in theoretical base damage / rate (since small neutron blasters have the same damage multiplier as large blasters ectra). We live in an actual, not theoretical world though. Names, Dates, Times, Engagements, Losses, Op-Tempo or STFU!
Guer	Posted - 2007.02.14 23:24:00 - [49] Edited by: Guer on 14/02/2007 23:22:31 Originally by: Tibrius Archer Never even said I have flown one Originally by: Tibrius Archer This thread can easily be reinturprited for the Domonix too. Originally by: Tibrius Archer I posted to express a view. To see if others have a few on the matter. I will accept clear and valid counter debate. Yes I will call comments like "hide your alliance ticker blah blah" as a flame because thatÆs what it is. A flame. Your OP is flaming a ship you've never flown. Flaming setups that hardly anyone flies. Okay. yes. some people fit a full rack of nos/neuts. but small guns?? The thing is a dream to fit.. its swimming in powergrid. And you say its a bad ship. That's simply innacurate. Edit: and that second quote isn't just flaming the spelling.. if you think the myrm and domi are redundant ships merely because they're drone boats with similar slot setups... it kind of shows that your opinions on those ships don't carry much weight in the first place. Hide your alliance ticker when posting something like this.
Warrio	Posted - 2007.02.15 00:19:00 - [50] Originally by: Tibrius Archer In short. Mrym is a exploit ship. I love the way you didn't exagerate this at all. Sig
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.15 00:34:00 - [51] Originally by: Tibrius Archer It is not a good ship. Its drone bay means you are risking a lot using heavys as any non brain dead PvPer will take out those drones in 1v1 fight. If you use medium drones then your damage drops but atleast your wearing a condom. My main whine is, the fact it has no medium hybrid turret bonus is why people think its so good. Basically it encourages two things: 1: NOS. 2: SMALL GUNS.(underclass guns) These are the two areas where eve as a whole is broken. Any ship can be good by fitting NOS to it and smaller class guns. I think NOSing amounts are prehaps only just balanced I think NOS overall is balanced because its range is not great in criuser class espcially. Problem is NOS is handly coupled with a MWD meaning NOS ship have no range constraints and don't really feel the -25% cap bonus of MWD due to the fact they're stealing their cap. Myrm uses this to be good. ANY ship with lots of NOS and MWD will dominate in PvP particulary against the Amarr.(note to devs have it so NOS and MWD cannot be used together) Next thing about Myrm: 2: Small guns. Ships in genral are too good with small guns I don't use it because I feel dirty I play for a feel good feeling not to basically hack a game. 1600mm Plate thoraxs with small blasters....... the game has whole historys of small gun grid saving allowing for oversized tanks these ships always tend to do well. Normally the ship would have been designed around its correct class of gun and nerfed slot wise for there expected DPS, but the myrm is compensated for the loss of 5% gun bonus with tons of slot fitting versitity than if they where fitted with there correct class of gun making it turbo deadly with small guns. In short. Mrym is a exploit ship. Encouraged to do so. If NOS worked and the gun class system was effective the mrym would and should be a pile of **** at best a EW ship. The myrmidon is a great ship if flown by someone who knows what they are doing, even without using NOS. I was flying alone in my myrmidon and got jumped by an interdictor and a sleipnir. I tanked them both for a good 5 minutes before they got me, all the while doing enough damage to get the sleip down to about 30% armor. Granted if one of them had had a smartbomb or the interdictor had decided to take out my heavy drones Id have been screwed damage wise, but I knew that when I elected to take along heavies instead of mediums. In another seperate instance that just happened recently, myself and 6 corpmates were out on patrol. We had my myrmidon, a drake, brutix, and a few cruisers and frigs. We got jumped by a much larger force that included a domi, 2 myrmidons, and a bunch of other stuff... at least 12 ships total and they had way more firepower than we did. But my myrmidon tanked the hostiles (like 9 of them) long enough for my gang mates to pick off a bunch of them. In the end, we lost 2 ships (my myrmidon and a crow that disconnected as soon as the fight started), and we took out 9 hostiles including the domi, both hostile myrmidons, and a couple cruisers. Bottom line, the myrmidon, with its ability to fit both a good tank, some EW, and good damage all at once, is a flat out nasty ship in competent hands. Its only real weakness (other than that its primary damage dealing ability is targetable by other players) is against very fast ships, as heavy and medium drones just cant keep up with them, and the myrmidon isnt fast enough to stay close either to keep them webbed. This signature space for rent
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.15 00:44:00 - [52] Originally by: Tibrius Archer Ishtar is bad too lol. This guy red my post and understood the points. Noticed many brain dead flames above the kind that don't bother me as the people making them are jarg anyhow. So you are saying that because the myrmidon can fit a kick ass tank, a full rack of medium blasters, MWD, web, scram, and a little EW, plus a full flight of heavy drones with a nice damage bonus, ALL at the same time, that its not a good ship ? Just because someone might choose to fit NOS or small guns on it instead ? Personally, I dont use NOS or small guns on my myrmidon most of the time, especially not for pvp. Its simply too good as a combination blaster/droneboat/tank. This signature space for rent
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.15 00:49:00 - [53] Originally by: Tibrius Archer Originally by: ForeverKnight To all that: because with my skills I can comfortably fit a full Tech 2 dual repper tank with a full rack of med ion blasters (Tech II) so why would I use anything smaller? All of that PG would go to waste. Also I hit just fine on cruisers when they are webbed with medium blasters using Void (skills again). Hell sometimes in gangs I fit a dual web setup and can even hit interceptors for full damage using Void. You really cannot fit a better tank on using smalls? You sure? Your midslot setup could not be enhanced by all that grid+CPU? you sure? No high slots are wasted in your setup aswell? Are you sure? Sure theres not a checky small NOS in there where there could be a medium one? No? Well then you are right. Though if your willing to post your setup I am sure it could be improved for the exact purpose your using it for now. 6 x t2 medium blasters (electron or ion, depending on fitting skills) MWD, Scram, web, 2x sensor damps, Cap injector 2x MAR II, hardeners to taste T2 Ogres in dronebay If solo I will usually take out 1 dampener in favor of a webber. In a gang I let tacklers do the webbing for me. Thats a setup that has served me well, and doesnt use any of your so-called "cheap" tactics (NOS, small guns, etc). This signature space for rent
Arian Snow The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.15 01:03:00 - [54] at this topic I dont remember I dont recall I dont have memory of anything at all!
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.02.15 01:47:00 - [55] Originally by: ForeverKnight gotta comment that if tech 2 battleships ever come out you will probably have to have both Battleship and Battlecruiser 5 I doubt it. _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Got Alliance? Contact me ingame for alliance creation services.
Miranda Ceres	Posted - 2007.02.15 02:02:00 - [56] Edited by: Miranda Ceres on 15/02/2007 01:58:50 The Myrmidon is in serious trouble if it comes up against something BS class with heavy nos and/or a smartbomb or two. I love flying my myrmidon, but at the end of the day it's not invincible and far from it.
Kazire	Posted - 2007.02.15 02:10:00 - [57] Originally by: Miranda Ceres Edited by: Miranda Ceres on 15/02/2007 01:58:50 The Myrmidon is in serious trouble if it comes up against something BS class with heavy nos and/or a smartbomb or two. I love flying my myrmidon, but at the end of the day it's not invincible and far from it. then you are not flying this ship to its full potential. A myrm can tank most bs's no problem, and nos is not an issue with this ship.
king jks New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.15 02:16:00 - [58] The fit I use on my myrmidon for pvp is more of an adaptation of a brutix than a pure drone ship: 4x ion 2x electron MWD scram web cap injector sensor booster 2x MAR II 3x T2 active hardeners (kin,therm,exp) 1x Damage control II 5x hammerhead II 5x valkyrie II 5x warrior II Perhaps once I get T2 heavy drones I will start using them, but I see no benefit in using T1 heavies over T2 mediums. ------------------------ Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. -Albert Einstein
Tibrius Archer hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.15 02:40:00 - [59] Edited by: Tibrius Archer on 15/02/2007 02:39:42 Originally by: SN3263827 Edited by: SN3263827 on 14/02/2007 21:59:55 Originally by: HankMurphy hey, i have an idea! lets fix these borked drone boats. make em as god intended. no ability to fit different sized guns on ships... ie: no small guns on cruiser hulls etc.... THEN we will give all non NOS specialized ships 1 or 2 nos hardpoints. I think that would make the ishtar, domi and myrm exactly the kind of boats they should be. Go ahead. I never fit more than 2 nos on a domi or myrm, unless specifically outfitting to nuke a capital's capacitor. With a well-managed cap injector, my autocannon myrm/domi will completely decimate a nos-domi or nos-myrm, because all the powergrid they would be using for tank is in nos, and I don't care. To the OP: You're justifying your small guns to fit a plate and a damage mod. That is an awful setup. A plate makes you sluggish, and is no great improvement over the extra hardener/rep you would have in its place. And then you've lost another low to fit your magstab. Please never touch my Gallente ships again. If you used a more agressive NOS/Neut fitting you would win more! Recently I have been flying NOS domi's abiet with maxed drone and gallante skills so I do 466dps+ with say ogre 2's and I took on a small blob the other day and won. Just watch Farjung's reckless and see what I mean. I will be uploading this footage soon of me raping loads of targets iin a Domi too. Its rediculous that my mega with 200m in fittings can't do what my cheapo nos domi can achive. P.S injectors don't save people as my NOS/Neut rate exceeds 900cap units every 12 seconds. ***************************************** "Get in my way and I will burn your fleet from stem to stern"
Gamble Dakota Immortalis Silens Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.15 03:57:00 - [60] Damp + Drone Cycling and any half brained myrm pilot just beat the intelligent Drake pilot without breaking a sweat. Of course, if that Drake pilot was actually intelligent, he never would have engaged a battleship in the first place. Oh, sorry, meant Gallente tier 2 BC. ------------------------------------------------- Originally by: "Nir" There is no place for morality in EVE. I find the correct answer is rarely the truthful one.

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