| Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5 :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 1 post(s) |

Atticus Fynch
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
|
Posted - 2011.12.17 17:45:00 -
[1] - Quote
Im a science and technology geek and a die hard NASA fan.
NASA was very cool, very cutting edge IMO and I scoffed at people that said we never landed onthe moon. Being a fair person though I listened to their arguments.
Well, it is a damn good argument. In fact, so good that I no longer believe we landed on the moon. I also came to the conclusion that NASA is full of ****.
Big 180 for me.
Here are two links with very convincing arguments. Makes for interesting reading.
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/Apollo1.html
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/esp_luna_30.htm
Your thoughts?
PS. I also think the Mythbusters sold out on their Moon conspiracy episode as they had NASA helping them out with their experiments.
Of course, had they found the myth plausible, it probably never would have made it on the air....so it was joke from the start.
|

Alara IonStorm
631
|
Posted - 2011.12.17 17:57:00 -
[2] - Quote
Quote:So when I see guys jumping maybe 12GÇ¥, if that, in a 1/6 gravity environment with no air resistance, IGÇÖm not really all that impressed. In 200 lb of EVA Suits it is... 
|

SpaceSquirrels
29
|
Posted - 2011.12.17 19:02:00 -
[3] - Quote
Gullible is written on the moon...Just look up. |

BLACK-STAR
262
|
Posted - 2011.12.17 19:14:00 -
[4] - Quote
you're a joke. [img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img] |

Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
|
Posted - 2011.12.17 19:45:00 -
[5] - Quote
Can we agree that Soviets landed remote controlled vehicles, Lunakhods, on the Moon? Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat desert first! |

Atticus Fynch
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
|
Posted - 2011.12.17 19:48:00 -
[6] - Quote
Caleidascope wrote:Can we agree that Soviets landed remote controlled vehicles, Lunakhods, on the Moon?
Remotes are not the issue. Im talking about manned landings. Yes, remotes have been to the moon and mars and some other places. |

Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
|
Posted - 2011.12.17 20:00:00 -
[7] - Quote
Atticus Fynch wrote:Caleidascope wrote:Can we agree that Soviets landed remote controlled vehicles, Lunakhods, on the Moon? Remotes are not the issue. Im talking about manned landings. Yes, remotes have been to the moon and mars and some other places. The way I see it, landing large complex objects shows that landing a small capsule with a human crew is not out of line. The reason I brought up the Lunakhods is because they went to the moon, they were relatively large, they were used in about the same time period. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat desert first! |

Atticus Fynch
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
|
Posted - 2011.12.17 20:16:00 -
[8] - Quote
I find it curious that no blueprints of the LEM or Lunar Rover exist. They were "lost." No original video footage of the landings exists either. They were lost along with the blueprints I guess. The Van Allan radiation exposure issue has never been explained nor the pristine conditions of the lunar photos considering the film had no temperature nor radiation protection in the camera.
There is a whole list of inconsistencies assoctiated with the Apollo program along with curious opportunistic deaths of certain people. This isnt just about anomalies in the photgraphs. |

Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
121
|
Posted - 2011.12.17 20:58:00 -
[9] - Quote
Welcome to the internet, where every type of nutcases can find minds alike them. |

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
141
|
Posted - 2011.12.17 21:28:00 -
[10] - Quote
Opened links expecting for something original that hasn't been debunked, explained, dismantled and annihilated out of existence one million times.
Found that 30 years later conspiranoids still haven't produced anything new and keep repeating the same uberdebunked drivel they figured out in the 80s.
PS: also don't miss the OP with the usual mantra about he being a science guy who happens to believe in Santa Claus for very sound logical reasons he was convinced into, ho-ho-ho. So... no affordable NEx store... no full-fledged Incarna... no new casual content... no new solo content... no new PvE content...-á
Why should I keep paying to play this game? |

AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
48
|
Posted - 2011.12.17 21:38:00 -
[11] - Quote
Get a telescope - the landing site is there.
Conspiracies are fun topics, but the evidence is kinda weak when all you need to do is look through a telescope to prove it wrong.
Sorry to burst your hubble. GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥
Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002. |

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
141
|
Posted - 2011.12.17 21:53:00 -
[12] - Quote
AlleyKat wrote:Get a telescope - the landing site is there.
Conspiracies are fun topics, but the evidence is kinda weak when all you need to do is look through a telescope to prove it wrong.
Sorry to burst your hubble.
No, they aren't visible with a telescope. Anyway the LRO (Lunar Recoinassance Orbiter) has taken a series of gorgoeus HD photographs of the sites.
Of course that won't convice the average conspiranoid as a), the LRO it's a satellite orbiting the moon, and b), conspiranoids never bow to any reality short of a 6 ton truck rolling over them. So... no affordable NEx store... no full-fledged Incarna... no new casual content... no new solo content... no new PvE content...-á
Why should I keep paying to play this game? |

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
567
|
Posted - 2011.12.17 21:56:00 -
[13] - Quote
Atticus Fynch wrote:very convincing arguments We have surprisingly different definitions for that little series of words, it seems.
To condense the rebuttals in a concise form.
While risky and expensive, the technology to put people on the Moon and bring them back has a very high chance of having existed at the time of the Moon landings, almost a complete certainty. The two big problems are getting people in orbit (which I seriously doubt you're denying) and achieving lift-off from the Moon back into Lunar orbit (the only part that's unprovable with almost complete certainty), whereas transition from Earth to Lunar orbit is fairly trivial.
In fact, most of the prerequisite technology has advanced enough that we can actually afford to have SCHOOL PROJECTS to send equipment to the Lunar surface. JFGI.
So, yes, while proving or disproving with 100% certainly whether they were real or fake is impossible, there's a fairly big chance it's real. And even if it wasn't real, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN, eventually, technologically speaking, with enough funding and after enough tries.
...
As to why we're not sending any more men to the moon ? It's as simple as it is sad. IT IS TOO EXPENSIVE TO BRING THEM BACK and THERE IS NOT ENOUGH IMMEDIATE FINANCIAL BENEFIT FOR A QUICK ROUND-TRIP THERE AND BACK. Plus, it's been done by others already, so why bother to do it again just to show everybody else that you can ? Nobody cares about that anymore.
It's pretty much the same reason we're not even bothering to send all that many people in Earth orbit anymore, even if sending people in Earth orbit has far more potential for closer-future financial benefits.
What exactly would be the benefit of sending people on the Moon as opposed to Earth orbit ? The only good reason so far would be to establish a base there, and the only good reason for that would be to mine stuff. But we only need the stuff mined there after we also can make use of it properly, which we cant. And after it becomes profitable to mine, which it isn't, even if we could already use it. As soon as we can use it and it's cheap enough to, we'll totally have a moon base. But not before then.
P.S. But if we can send fully automated mining ops, since there would be no point in bothering with the life support and the getting people back part, it's a good chance we won't get a moon colony anyway. Besides, colonizing some asteroids is more economically advantageous than colonizing the Moon. So, we'll probably get asteroid colonies before we get a Moon colony. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |

Logan LaMort
Black Rebel Rifter Club
1144
|
Posted - 2011.12.17 22:22:00 -
[14] - Quote
So do any of those links explain how we got the Lunar laser ranging experiment on the moon? Either the photographs of that equipment are fake and NASA used a rover like Lunokhod or unmanned robots from 1969 onwards planted those retroreflector arrays 
Seriously, NASA is a huge organisation that is over 50 years old, things get lost, stolen, misplaced... hell most of the senior people who worked on the Apollo program are probably dead by now. The whole undertaking was a huge effort by a lot of people, if it was a masterfully disguised operation it's one of the best kept secrets in history. |

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
141
|
Posted - 2011.12.17 22:49:00 -
[15] - Quote
Logan LaMort wrote:So do any of those links explain how we got the Lunar laser ranging experiment on the moon? Either the photographs of that equipment are fake and NASA used a rover like Lunokhod or unmanned robots from 1969 onwards planted those retroreflector arrays  Seriously, NASA is a huge organisation that is over 50 years old, things get lost, stolen, misplaced... hell most of the senior people who worked on the Apollo program are probably dead by now. The whole undertaking was a huge effort by a lot of people, if it was a masterfully disguised operation it's one of the best kept secrets in history.
The original tapes of the moon landing where re-used for the first shuttle missions in order to save hundreds of thousands of dollars. So think of this: the only original audio-visual stuff surviving of the broadcast of the first moon landing is a 16 mm filmation of a 8" monitor.
It's the kind of stuff that makes Euros shake our heads in puzzled incredulity about how devotely stupid and short-sighted can be American... 
So... no affordable NEx store... no full-fledged Incarna... no new casual content... no new solo content... no new PvE content...-á
Why should I keep paying to play this game? |

VKhaun Vex
Viziam Amarr Empire
20
|
Posted - 2011.12.18 00:02:00 -
[16] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:conspiranoid
Totally stealing that. |

stoicfaux
418
|
Posted - 2011.12.18 00:45:00 -
[17] - Quote
Dear OP,
Sweet Jesus, if you're using those two links as your "evidence" that the moon landing is a hoax, then you're really ******* stupid. Go take a critical thinking class. The first link is just specious logic and you should be ashamed for taking it seriously. (The first link is what makes you look so damn stupid.) The second brings up questions about the imagery, questions which have already been answered and proven experimentally to be valid, which you should have been able to dig up after five minutes on google.
The first link essentially argues that since the Space Shuttle, a wonder of modern technology, wasn't designed to travel to the moon, then the Apollo program couldn't possibly have had the technology to travel to the moon. That makes about as much sense as saying that if a modern jumbo jet can't travel faster than the speed of sound, then Chuck Yeager couldn't have broken the sound barrier in 1947.
The second link is about the images, which can be explained and reproduced with actual experiments: http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/iangoddard/moon01.htm
You can tell me what is and isn't true when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
|

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
311
|
Posted - 2011.12.18 01:10:00 -
[18] - Quote
HI, obsidian here,
after meeting one of the apollo astronauts the one who was not a military personal but a geologist, Dr. Schmitt. I can say this. the lunar samples are cool and fun to study. Just saying the physical rock evidence we brought back outweighs any conspiracy theorist. |

VKhaun Vex
Viziam Amarr Empire
20
|
Posted - 2011.12.18 01:24:00 -
[19] - Quote
Double post. |

VKhaun Vex
Viziam Amarr Empire
20
|
Posted - 2011.12.18 01:26:00 -
[20] - Quote
Obsidian Hawk wrote: I can say this. the lunar samples are cool and fun to study. Just saying the physical rock evidence we brought back outweighs any conspiracy theorist.
This.
People just don't separate the scientific from the political.
We really do have the rocks, we really did learn what we did, we really do have the technology and understanding to complete such a task as going there and getting back while filming it. If we 'really' went there or not is purely a political point, and it's an old political point at that.
And lets say it was faked. Do you want Eisenhower Impeached? Want to make him go shake hands with Khrushchev and be a good sport about it? Oh right, they're both dead... Do you want to argue with NASA/The World that they can't really do that? Oh right, technology has been moving forward for 40 years... It's a dead end discussion with no consequence for those alive today no matter how you spin it. |

Atticus Fynch
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
|
Posted - 2011.12.18 01:46:00 -
[21] - Quote
VKhaun Vex wrote: And lets say it was faked. Do you want Eisenhower Impeached? Want to make him go shake hands with Khrushchev and be a good sport about it? Oh right, they're both dead... Do you want to argue with NASA/The World that they can't really do that? Oh right, technology has been moving forward for 40 years... It's a dead end discussion with no consequence for those alive today no matter how you spin it.
Imagine the repercussions if the landings turned out to be faked. Even if those involved are long dead, it gives the US a longer nose than pinocchio and would probably start a new space race for another country to be first. |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
170
|
Posted - 2011.12.18 01:55:00 -
[22] - Quote
Damn those fake landings and outrageous lengths the US is going to to keep the truth covered up!
Like planting fake landing sites on the moon to take pictures of  |

Atticus Fynch
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
|
Posted - 2011.12.18 02:17:00 -
[23] - Quote
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
The links address those pics...and it is a NASA site you are linking to. |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
171
|
Posted - 2011.12.18 02:19:00 -
[24] - Quote
Atticus Fynch wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: The links address those pics...and it is a NASA site you are linking to. 
Ironically it was a NASA dohickey that took the photos too 
Conspiracy I say! |

VKhaun Vex
Viziam Amarr Empire
20
|
Posted - 2011.12.18 03:03:00 -
[25] - Quote
Atticus Fynch wrote:Imagine the repercussions if the landings turned out to be faked. Even if those involved are long dead, it gives the US a longer nose than pinocchio and would probably start a new space race for another country to be first.
There are no repercussions.
There is no space race to start because everyone knows the U.S. and Russia could both pull it off today and neither one wants to throw the money at doing so right now.
The only thing you'd see is a reaction from China because their government so full of corruption and lies our greatest conspiracy theories about our own governments in the US and UK can't do it justice. They would blow some of our money they've gotten in trade, on a manned mission to the moon with stolen/copied tech, and then claim they were the only nation that could do it, and every big name in world politics would ignore them and giggle about them when they're not around.
However, they seem to be trying to do that anyway, and everyone already laughs behind China's back anyway.
I'm sure they'll give the first Chinese man to stand on the moon a lead medal. |

Micia
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
5
|
Posted - 2011.12.18 04:46:00 -
[26] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=960vBSKT-Pw
 Frontier: Prelude To Darkness - An animated scifi web-series, featuring me! Watch it :) ...and coming soon, play Wing Commander Saga: Darkest Dawn. Also, with me. :) |

Dray
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
5
|
Posted - 2011.12.18 05:32:00 -
[27] - Quote
Atticus Fynch wrote:Im a science and technology geek and a die hard NASA fan. NASA was very cool, very cutting edge IMO and I scoffed at people that said we never landed onthe moon. Being a fair person though I listened to their arguments. Well, it is a damn good argument. In fact, so good that I no longer believe we landed on the moon. I also came to the conclusion that NASA is full of ****. Big 180 for me. Here are two links with very convincing arguments. Makes for interesting reading. http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/Apollo1.htmlhttp://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/esp_luna_30.htmYour thoughts? PS. I also think the Mythbusters sold out on their Moon conspiracy episode as they had NASA helping them out with their experiments. Of course, had they found the myth plausible, it probably never would have made it on the air....so it was joke from the start.
Kill yourself and we will see if the average human intelligence across the world increases a fraction, it could prove Darwin right.
That said those links are ridiculous so I'm guessing (nay hoping) you're a troll.
OR MAYBE APOLLO 18 ISN'T A MOVIE BUT A DOCUMENTARY, ZOOOOMG ALIENZ EVERYWHERE LIZARD MEN, INSECTOIDS, WHERE'S MY TIN FOIL HAT.....
Actually just kill yourself.
|

baltec1
248
|
Posted - 2011.12.18 06:54:00 -
[28] - Quote
Because the soviets would have just gone along with a fake moon landing by their enemy
|

Selinate
167
|
Posted - 2011.12.18 06:56:00 -
[29] - Quote
VKhaun Vex wrote:Atticus Fynch wrote:Imagine the repercussions if the landings turned out to be faked. Even if those involved are long dead, it gives the US a longer nose than pinocchio and would probably start a new space race for another country to be first. There are no repercussions. There is no space race to start because everyone knows the U.S. and Russia could both pull it off today and neither one wants to throw the money at doing so right now. The only thing you'd see is a reaction from China because their government so full of corruption and lies our greatest conspiracy theories about our own governments in the US and UK can't do it justice. They would blow some of our money they've gotten in trade on a manned mission to the moon with stolen/copied tech, and then claim they were the only nation that could do it. Every big name in world politics would ignore them and giggle about them at parties when they're not around. However, they seem to be trying to put a man on the moon anyway, and everyone already laughs behind China's back. I'm sure they'll give the first Chinese man to stand on the moon a lead medal, but if you don't believe in a U.S. moon landing I don't know why you'd believe China.
Just wanted to pick out this little gem, people hate on China so much for being corrupt liars, but our (the U.S.) government is really no better at all, they're just not so blatant about it.... |

Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
155
|
Posted - 2011.12.18 07:03:00 -
[30] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Because the soviets would have just gone along with a fake moon landing by their enemy 
This.
The soviets were constantly on our heels during the space race. They were actually ahead of us for most of the way, and we just beat them to the final goal. If we faked the moon landing, then you could be assured the soviets would have brought that fake to light and killed America's credibility. If they had knowingly just sat on the information, then that reeks of conspiracy theory that makes 9/11 truthers look like run of the mill Kennedy assassination theorists.
Also the reason why every other government appears to be more corrupt than our own is that we're just better at hiding corruption behind pretty words and speeches. The constant bickering between parties also provides suitable white noise to drown out cries of corruption. |
| |
|
| Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |