So when I see guys jumping maybe 12GÇ¥, if that, in a 1/6 gravity environment with no air resistance, IGÇÖm not really all that impressed.

Can we agree that Soviets landed remote controlled vehicles, Lunakhods, on the Moon?

Remotes are not the issue. Im talking about manned landings. Yes, remotes have been to the moon and mars and some other places.

Get a telescope - the landing site is there.

Conspiracies are fun topics, but the evidence is kinda weak when all you need to do is look through a telescope to prove it wrong.

Sorry to burst your hubble.

very convincing arguments

So do any of those links explain how we got the Lunar laser ranging experiment on the moon? Either the photographs of that equipment are fake and NASA used a rover like Lunokhod or unmanned robots from 1969 onwards planted those retroreflector arrays

Seriously, NASA is a huge organisation that is over 50 years old, things get lost, stolen, misplaced... hell most of the senior people who worked on the Apollo program are probably dead by now. The whole undertaking was a huge effort by a lot of people, if it was a masterfully disguised operation it's one of the best kept secrets in history.

conspiranoid

I can say this. the lunar samples are cool and fun to study. Just saying the physical rock evidence we brought back outweighs any conspiracy theorist.

And lets say it was faked. Do you want Eisenhower Impeached? Want to make him go shake hands with Khrushchev and be a good sport about it? Oh right, they're both dead... Do you want to argue with NASA/The World that they can't really do that? Oh right, technology has been moving forward for 40 years... It's a dead end discussion with no consequence for those alive today no matter how you spin it.

Damn those fake landings and outrageous lengths the US is going to to keep the truth covered up!

Like planting fake landing sites on the moon to take pictures of

The links address those pics...and it is a NASA site you are linking to.

Imagine the repercussions if the landings turned out to be faked. Even if those involved are long dead, it gives the US a longer nose than pinocchio and would probably start a new space race for another country to be first.

Im a science and technology geek and a die hard NASA fan.

NASA was very cool, very cutting edge IMO and I scoffed at people that said we never landed onthe moon. Being a fair person though I listened to their arguments.

Well, it is a damn good argument. In fact, so good that I no longer believe we landed on the moon. I also came to the conclusion that NASA is full of ****.

Big 180 for me.

Here are two links with very convincing arguments. Makes for interesting reading.

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/Apollo1.html

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/esp_luna_30.htm

Your thoughts?


PS. I also think the Mythbusters sold out on their Moon conspiracy episode as they had NASA helping them out with their experiments.

Of course, had they found the myth plausible, it probably never would have made it on the air....so it was joke from the start.

There are no repercussions.

There is no space race to start because everyone knows the U.S. and Russia could both pull it off today and neither one wants to throw the money at doing so right now.

The only thing you'd see is a reaction from China because their government so full of corruption and lies our greatest conspiracy theories about our own governments in the US and UK can't do it justice. They would blow some of our money they've gotten in trade on a manned mission to the moon with stolen/copied tech, and then claim they were the only nation that could do it. Every big name in world politics would ignore them and giggle about them at parties when they're not around.

However, they seem to be trying to put a man on the moon anyway, and everyone already laughs behind China's back.

I'm sure they'll give the first Chinese man to stand on the moon a lead medal, but if you don't believe in a U.S. moon landing I don't know why you'd believe China.

Because the soviets would have just gone along with a fake moon landing by their enemy

Because the soviets would have just gone along with a fake moon landing by their enemy

Just wanted to pick out this little gem, people hate on China so much for being corrupt liars, but our (the U.S.) government is really no better at all, they're just not so blatant about it....

Keep in mind it is current techology that is slowly exposing this via the internet. The desktop PC you use now has more power in it than NASA's mainframes inthe 1960s. Tracking spacecraft was also very difficult back then. Why would the Soviets have be any the wiser?

According to the world the US went to the moon...right?

Why would anyone doubt such a thing?

But many bits and pieces when put together show something strange about the whole Apollo program.

The moon is not a mere 250 miles away.

You mean the dealer lied to me when he said my car had driven to the moon and back 200 times?

This thread stinks of SO MUCH STUPID I can hardly stand it.

Lastly, no one here has looked at the links in depth. The first one is over 10 pages of text and photos (not exactly for the TLDR ADHD crowd). No one has addressed any of the specific questions presented.

The links address those pics...and it is a NASA site you are linking to.

(...)Of course that won't convice the average conspiranoid as a), the LRO it's a satellite orbiting the moon, and b), conspiranoids never bow to any reality short of a 6 ton truck rolling over them.

The only "stupid" I see in this thread are people saying "you're stupid for not believing it" but I have yet to hear any arguments on specifics.

Im a science and technology geek and a die hard NASA fan.

NASA was very cool, very cutting edge IMO and I scoffed at people that said we never landed onthe moon. Being a fair person though I listened to their arguments.

Well, it is a damn good argument. In fact, so good that I no longer believe we landed on the moon. I also came to the conclusion that NASA is full of ****.

Big 180 for me.

Here are two links with very convincing arguments. Makes for interesting reading.

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/Apollo1.html

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/esp_luna_30.htm

Your thoughts?


PS. I also think the Mythbusters sold out on their Moon conspiracy episode as they had NASA helping them out with their experiments.

Of course, had they found the myth plausible, it probably never would have made it on the air....so it was joke from the start.

In 200 lb of EVA Suit it is...

The only "stupid" I see in this thread are people saying "you're stupid for not believing it" but I have yet to hear any arguments on specifics.

-How were the astronauts shielded from radiation?
-Why are there inconsistenies in the photographs?
-Why oh why for such a huge event in all of humanity could things like blueprints and orignal footage disappear? Hell the US still has the original Declaration of Independance and Constitution from the 1700s, but it cant keep the stuff from man's first steps on the moon from the 60s and 70s?

Many of the plans for the D-Day landings, the battle of the Somme and most of the Paris sewer system have also been lost/destroyed

Not to mention that the bulky suits make it very hard to control a jump, and make getting up from a fall a non-trivial endeavor. Furthermore, being in a hostile environment very far from home make any unfortunate fall from a high jump a potentially lethal disaster.

The original tapes of the moon landing where re-used for the first shuttle missions in order to save hundreds of thousands of dollars. So think of this: the only original audio-visual stuff surviving of the broadcast of the first moon landing is a 16 mm filmation of a 8

HI, obsidian here,

after meeting one of the apollo astronauts the one who was not a military personal but a geologist, Dr. Schmitt. I can say this. the lunar samples are cool and fun to study. Just saying the physical rock evidence we brought back outweighs any conspiracy theorist.

So lets say, just as a thought experiment that the conspiracy theorists where proven right.
The moon was a hoax, then what?. What will they try and prove a hoax next?, that elvis and michael jackson are'nt dead?. They are with kennedy on some island playing poker all day?..

I never understood why people want to belive it was fake. It is kind of like a religion I guess.

It's not that people want ot believe it's fake. It's just that a lot of little things abut the whole Apollo program dont add up.

It's not that people want ot believe it's fake. It's just that a lot of little things abut the whole Apollo program dont add up.

Have you tried using all the little things as opposed to some cherry-picked ones only ?
And have you tried using the plus sign for a change ?

The Apollo astronauts traveled through the Van Allen radiation belts on the way to the moon; however, exposure was minimized by following a trajectory along the edge of the belts that avoided the strongest areas of radiation.[18] The total radiation exposure to astronauts was estimated to be much less than the five (5) rem set by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission for people who work with radioactivity

It's not that people want ot believe it's fake. It's just that a lot of little things abut the whole Apollo program dont add up.

Keep in mind it is current techology that is slowly exposing this via the internet.

"There are millions of micro-meteors traveling at speeds up to 6000 MPH, which would tear the ship to pieces." Because all those deep space probes we've sent out for YEARS have been torn to pieces. NEXT!

I also want to point out that 'micro' in astronomical terms is a grand of sand. The distance between any of our inner-system planets planets is several million miles.

Put a million grains of sand in a million-mile-long olympic swimming pool and see how likely it is that a swimmer will run into a particular grain.

Must've been Haiti, that's why we made that earthquake there.... to shut them up

No it was North Korea, that's why Obama killed Kim.

You morons...

I was of course speaking to the Space Race between the United States and the Mole People who live in the Under City.

You Guys are detached from reality.

Believe it or not I actually hit reply and typed in 'inb4 crab people' and then decided not to spam...

And here I was trying to think of a creative way to inject a pony into this thread

The aliens attacked the WTC? You're sadly mistaken, my friend. A bunch of Human teenagers flying X-Wing and Y-Wing starfighters fired a proton torpedo in to a thermal exhaust port that was only two-meters wide.

I have to admit, though, that a lot of those conspiracy theories out there are interesting reads if you approach them in a sci-fi kind of way. Like those Lunar/Martian 'towers' and other suggestions of ruins dotting the surface. One elaborate hoax in regards to that was a 'secret' film reel from cosmonauts on the moon as they explored a vast network of ancient structures. A quick Google search should bring up plenty of hits for those interested in checking it out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings

Explain that, Atticus Fynch.

" The Apollo astronauts traveled through the Van Allen radiation belts on the way to the moon; however, exposure was minimized by following a trajectory along the edge of the belts that avoided the strongest areas of radiation.
The total radiation exposure to astronauts was estimated to be much less than the 5 rem set by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission for people who work with radioactivity "

But there's a potential showstopper: radiation

Astronauts en route to the Moon and Mars are going to be exposed to this radiation, increasing their risk of getting cancer and other maladies. Finding a good shield is important.

Don't be lazy, read his links at least before you post something they already address in a convincing manner.

Moon rocks for example can be found on earth.

Don't be so mean. Everyone knows that you can find Moon Rocks on Earth.

Astronauts brought a whole bunch of them from the Moon...

When they went there. =/

Confirming indeed the moon is made of cheese. No moon rocks exist.

Don't be so mean. Everyone knows that you can find Moon Rocks on Earth.

Astronauts brought a whole bunch of them from the Moon...

When they went there. =/

Yeah they went. Realized no oil, no McDonalds, no XXX websites and went home miserable.

Actually I think they saw something that freaked them out. Something that changed the course of history forever.

NASA's Damning Admission, Wires, Fake Globe, etc.

Check out this stunning admission by NASA:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN3139657820080331

(Reuters) - Cosmic rays are so dangerous and so poorly understood that people are unlikely to get to Mars or even back to the moon until better ways are found to protect astronauts, experts said on Monday.

Do you think a rock from an asteroid impact that has fallen through our atmosphere and sat in a desert for hundreds of thousands of years is indistinguishable from samples collected and brought back

Probbably not, but I'd doubt that the general public knows how, can verify the samples (those known to be from the moon directly) ... Indeed, apparently NASA sometimes gets away with handing out petrified wood and calling it "moon rocks". ;-)

Your links keep getting better and better, those first ones were awesome, but this new one is epic, I've already linked it to a few friends and they are pissing themselves.

I thought you were a garden variety fool, but you actually have more depth, I honestly think we could be pushing for a shoe size IQ.

Never stop posting.

When will people wake up? Not everything you are told is true. Sheesh. People are so gullible and sheep-like and easy to fool.

And yes, many people can keep a secret. The NSA has 30,000 employees and none of them have spilled the beans on what the NSA does. There is no official list of accomplishments by the NSA. So many have kept a secret. Likewise, the Manhattan Project involved 120,000 people who all kept it a secret for years. Furthermore, remember that workers are compartmentalized on a need to know basis. Not every employee is given access to the view from the top. Duh. Only a small handful at the top know the big picture.

People are so dumb!

Probbably not, but I'd doubt that the general public knows how, can verify the samples (those known to be from the moon directly) ... Indeed, apparently NASA sometimes gets away with handing out petrified wood and calling it "moon rocks". ;-)

When will people wake up? Not everything you are told is true. Sheesh. People are so gullible and sheep-like and easy to fool.

And yes, many people can keep a secret. The NSA has 30,000 employees and none of them have spilled the beans on what the NSA does. There is no official list of accomplishments by the NSA. So many have kept a secret. Likewise, the Manhattan Project involved 120,000 people who all kept it a secret for years. Furthermore, remember that workers are compartmentalized on a need to know basis. Not every employee is given access to the view from the top. Duh. Only a small handful at the top know the big picture.

People are so dumb!
Face Palmed so hard I gave myself a Concussion.

There is only one thing you have to tell people to prove we landed on the moon. You don't have to disprove anything or answer anything else. The fact of the matter is that any government on earth with radio technology could pick up the transmissions from the moon and triangulate where they were originating from.

So unless every single developed nation, INCLUDING the evil Russians, decided they wanted to help NASA pull off this hoax, it happened.

A transmission from high earth orbit is indistinguishable from a transmission from the moon. The argument here is not -have we been inspace-. that is a given. The question is, have we been to the moon.

The sad part of all of this is you have no idea just how stupid that comment was.

Nooo it's not. It might be for one nation that happens to have a high orbiting craft directly in line with the moon but it would be physically impossible to pull this off with every nation at the same time. People on the moon broadcasted live. Everyone picked it up. So I will admit, either this is a worldwide conspiracy, or it did have to happen.

The only people that "picked it up" was NASA. The footage shown in TV was from NASA TV screens, so everything you saw in regard to the moon landing transmissions was filtered through NASA first. NASA controlled what the world saw.

/ Face Palm

Not how broadcasting works, facilities all around the world picked it up and confirmed the broadcast source as the Moon.

The Soviets had 4 separate Deep Space Tracking Stations which they used to monitor their own Unmanned Lunar Probes. They used said DSTS to track every Apollo Mission from take off to touch down.

The Soviet Luna Program preformed the first Moon Landing with their Probe Luna 9. The Probe survived and sent the first images to Earth and while the Soviet Government did not release them right away the World found out because every other nation picked up the Broadcast and Triangulated its source.

But hey, go ahead. Make **** up. We probably will not call you on it.

We have been over this. Hell when we went up there we got her back.

Remember.

And to think they were gonna leave her up there.

That's a good thing, if the soviets got Luna we'd all be living in the everfree forest

Not the first time the Soviets have tried to use Pony Tech against the Free World.

It's ok... as long as we still have the party cannon they can't do much. Everyone knows the soviets hate parties

Lets not forget the orbital friendship cannon.

Lets not forget the orbital friendship cannon.

Cupcakes 2: Library of Terror

The only people that "picked it up" was NASA. The footage shown in TV was from NASA TV screens, so everything you saw in regard to the moon landing transmissions was filtered through NASA first. NASA controlled what the world saw.

hell even Helen Keller would beat you.

NASA controlled what the world saw.

A transmission from high earth orbit is indistinguishable from a transmission from the moon..

I lost a game of horseshoes to Ray Charles

In your defence Ray Charles did use the first prototype of Radar shades.

Is it that time already?

I love you Alara. You're the gift that keeps on giving.

Well, it looks like the thread has reached its end.

xoxoxox

The original tapes of the moon landing where re-used for the first shuttle missions in order to save hundreds of thousands of dollars. So think of this: the only original audio-visual stuff surviving of the broadcast of the first moon landing is a 16 mm filmation of a 8" monitor.

It's the kind of stuff that makes Euros shake our heads in puzzled incredulity about how devotely stupid and short-sighted can be American...

It's not just the Americans, If I remember correctly, the Russians reused or melted down a pretty hefty chunk of their early ground breaking stuff as well.

Industrial-scale book destruction is going on at the British Library, possibly the most prestigious library in the world (you can tell because it's British). Recent book-pulping scandals have hit the University of New South Wales in Australia, as well as several other institutions. Hell, when Borders bookstores went belly-up earlier this year, they decided to destroy all the unsold books instead of donate them.

And no, I'm not just talking about duplicates and old TV Guides, either. Imagine holding a beautiful, dusty, illustrated volume of Shakespeare printed in the 1700s, a calligraphic message from its long-dead owner inscribed on the inside cover, and throwing it straight in the trash. I've been there, more than once. I could have kept it and maybe gotten a few hundred dollars for it on eBay, if my supervisor wasn't watching with specific orders to prevent me from doing that.

And we're talking about a lot of books here -- these libraries are having to cut down their stock in a hurry. Imagine you're the manager of a library, and some accountant tells you that you need to get rid of 100,000 books, and do it in a week. You really have two options. One, you can get a bunch of academics to scour your collection and painstakingly rate each book according to its value and importance. Then you can hire a bunch of people to take down the 100,000 least important books and painstakingly stamp and debug them, one by one. Your second option is to get the computer to spit out a list of the 100,000 least borrowed books, and hire a few people to walk down the aisles with their arms out, throwing those books in a shredding machine.

That second option is much quicker and much cheaper. Sometimes you can find a paper recycling centre that will pay you for the pulp, so destroying the books leads to a net profit. Nobody likes it, but for a librarian it's like your best friend just got bitten by a zombie and you're the only one with a gun.

hough everyone realizes that extremely valuable books are going to inevitably get caught in the same net, there's not much that can be done about it. Nobody is going to order a first-edition Moby-**** from a library warehouse if the 2011 reprint is sitting right there on the shelf. A computer list that ranks books by popularity can't tell the difference.