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Atticus Fynch
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.18 07:05:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Because the soviets would have just gone along with a fake moon landing by their enemy
Keep in mind it is curent techology that is slowly exposing this via the internet. Why would the Soviets have be any the wiser?
According to the world the US went to the moon...right?
Why would anyone doubt such a thing?
Put many bits and pieces when put together show something strange about the whole Apollo program. |
VKhaun Vex
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.18 07:06:00 -
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Selinate wrote:Just wanted to pick out this little gem, people hate on China so much for being corrupt liars, but our (the U.S.) government is really no better at all, they're just not so blatant about it....
We are no where near in China's league and if you think we are you're nothing short of spoiled. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2011.12.18 07:20:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:baltec1 wrote:Because the soviets would have just gone along with a fake moon landing by their enemy Keep in mind it is current techology that is slowly exposing this via the internet. The desktop PC you use now has more power in it than NASA's mainframes inthe 1960s. Tracking spacecraft was also very difficult back then. Why would the Soviets have be any the wiser? According to the world the US went to the moon...right? Why would anyone doubt such a thing? But many bits and pieces when put together show something strange about the whole Apollo program.
Not long after the moon landings we sent several probes to the outer planets, before the moon landings soviets were sending probes to venus. If they can track much smaller targets all the way to venus then they can track a larget object a meer 250 miles to the moon. They also intcepted the transmissions from the moon by the landers and orbiters.
Then there is jodrell bank telescope in the UK which not only tracked apollo but also confirmed sputnik and just about ever other American and Soviet probe for decades. A dish so powerfull it is still in use today. |
VKhaun Vex
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.18 07:26:00 -
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The moon is not a mere 250 miles away. This thread sticks of SO MUCH STUPID I can't stand it.
Read the damn wikepedia. Normally I don't like leaning on a wiki for source material but lots of people working together on the info is better then linking these crappy sites by sensationalists who haven't looked into anything except to read books written by people who've been known to be wrong for decades.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_theories |
Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
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Posted - 2011.12.18 07:29:00 -
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VKhaun Vex wrote:The moon is not a mere 250 miles away.
You mean the dealer lied to me when he said my car had driven to the moon and back 200 times? |
VKhaun Vex
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.18 07:32:00 -
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Shivus Tao wrote:VKhaun Vex wrote:The moon is not a mere 250 miles away.
You mean the dealer lied to me when he said my car had driven to the moon and back 200 times?
Did it have about 4,700,000 miles on it? |
baltec1
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Posted - 2011.12.18 07:32:00 -
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Yea ah dun goofed dat wun |
VKhaun Vex
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.18 07:41:00 -
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I can't stand this thread. I hope I'm being trolled.
What happens when someone like this sees a GOOD conspiracy theory where they actually go a few steps in with their evidence like Loose Change or Zeitgeist? The third building that went down on 9/11 had ME looking stuff up. How would this guy react? He'd be ready to start a damn revolution if he watched them. |
Atticus Fynch
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.18 07:45:00 -
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VKhaun Vex wrote: This thread stinks of SO MUCH STUPID I can hardly stand it.
The only "stupid" I see in this thread are people saying "you're stupid for not believing it" but I have yet to hear any arguments on specifics.
-How were the astronauts shielded from radiation? -Why are there inconsistenies in the photographs? -Why oh why for such a huge event in all of humanity could things like blueprints and orignal footage disappear? Hell the US still has the original Declaration of Independance and Constitution from the 1700s, but it cant keep the stuff for man's first steps on the moon from the 60s and 70s?
This one video is also strange: (supposedly viewed from 110 000 miles on the way to the Moon.)
http://www.archive.org/details/Apollo11EarthViewFaking
Lastly, no one here has looked at the links in depth. The first one is over 10 pages of text and photos (not exactly for thr TLDR crowd). No one has addressed any of the specific questions presented.
So that is the only kind of "stupid" going on here. Wether I beleive or not is not the point. The question is, why inconsitencies in the whole Apollo program and could such a huge lie (if it is a lie) actually be pulled off and kept for so long? |
VKhaun Vex
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.18 08:06:00 -
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-How were the astronauts shielded from radiation? Radiation is not magic pony dust. It's made of different kinds of particles. The kinds you're talking about (not that you even know) don't penetrate metal and are not on the moon. The radiation with sufficient strength to harm a human is in a belt around the earth. Some anomalies can cause radiation problems for people on the moon, but those didn't happen at the time our people were there and they are quite rare.
-Why are there inconsistenies in the photographs? There aren't any, you're just gullible. They used wide angle lenses and the moon reflects light very well with it's hilly surface. Not understanding the shadows is proof only that the author doesn't know what they're talking about.
-Why oh why for such a huge event in all of humanity could things like blueprints and orignal footage disappear? Hell the US still has the original Declaration of Independance and Constitution from the 1700s, but it cant keep the stuff for man's first steps on the moon from the 60s and 70s? They were not 'lost' as in misplaced, they were lost as in destroyed. They re-used the film which was no longer made, rather than have all new equipment made. There were plenty of copies and the footage has always been available, otherwise you wouldn't have your video to begin with.
Atticus Fynch wrote:Lastly, no one here has looked at the links in depth. The first one is over 10 pages of text and photos (not exactly for the TLDR ADHD crowd). No one has addressed any of the specific questions presented.
Yes we have. The articles are based on books, by people who didn't know what they were talking about, and those books have been DESTROYED logically a dozen times, and much of that destruction probably occurred before you were even born. Read the wiki on conspiracy theories. |
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2011.12.18 08:27:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: The links address those pics...and it is a NASA site you are linking to.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:(...)Of course that won't convice the average conspiranoid as a), the LRO it's a satellite orbiting the moon, and b), conspiranoids never bow to any reality short of a 6 ton truck rolling over them.
Conspiranoids, making you feel a like a clairvoyant since the 70's. So... no affordable NEx store... no full-fledged Incarna... no new casual content... no new solo content... no new PvE content...-á
Why should I keep paying to play this game? |
VKhaun Vex
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.18 08:32:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:The only "stupid" I see in this thread are people saying "you're stupid for not believing it" but I have yet to hear any arguments on specifics.
The "stupid" you're NOT seeing, is you spending your time reading conspiracy theories on subjects you don't understand to begin with, written by people who don't understand the subject, based on the work of people who didn't understand the subject, and then you want us to argue with three levels of ignorance like it's a credible point to argue from.
NO
You got your freebies, now you need to google them yourself.
Read the conspiracy theory wiki. Come back with something that's not decades old and have a real discussion. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.18 11:11:00 -
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Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic and polite, thank you. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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sai'tas
The Water Margin Tech
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Posted - 2011.12.18 11:53:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:Im a science and technology geek and a die hard NASA fan. NASA was very cool, very cutting edge IMO and I scoffed at people that said we never landed onthe moon. Being a fair person though I listened to their arguments. Well, it is a damn good argument. In fact, so good that I no longer believe we landed on the moon. I also came to the conclusion that NASA is full of ****. Big 180 for me. Here are two links with very convincing arguments. Makes for interesting reading. http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/Apollo1.htmlhttp://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/esp_luna_30.htmYour thoughts? PS. I also think the Mythbusters sold out on their Moon conspiracy episode as they had NASA helping them out with their experiments. Of course, had they found the myth plausible, it probably never would have made it on the air....so it was joke from the start.
It might be a stretch but just apply some common sense, look at the facts, not some nonsense that has been rebuffed a million times and then some.
For me, regardless of the hard scientific evidence, the single most obvious thing is that a secret this big could never ever be kept sooner or later the truth would come out and in the case of the moon landings with so many people involved it would barely have made it past "Huston this is tranquillity base...." before it was blown, all the spurious crap you think is legit is nothing compared to this one simple thing.
So please if you want to deny basic common sense and intelligence then be my guest, be a fool, but be a fool on your own time, did you really think you would be taken seriously?
Keep this bollox to yourself thank you.
kthnxbai.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
571
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Posted - 2011.12.18 17:40:00 -
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings
Explain that, Atticus Fynch. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.12.19 01:55:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Quote:I knew a guy on the volleyball team who had a 32GÇ¥ vertical leap right here on Earth. So when I see guys jumping maybe 12GÇ¥, if that, in a 1/6 gravity environment with no air resistance, IGÇÖm not really all that impressed. In 200 lb of EVA Suit it is... Not to mention that the bulky suits make it very hard to control a jump, and make getting up from a fall a non-trivial endeavor. Furthermore, being in a hostile environment very far from home make any unfortunate fall from a high jump a potentially lethal disaster. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.19 03:19:00 -
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One of the guys that went to the moon should've taken a can of Pepsi and posed for a picture holding it. Then sold the picture to the Pepsi Co. for eleventy billion dollars |
Pulgy
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.12.19 03:26:00 -
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Really? Almost 2012 and people still cling to the idea that the Apollo landings were a hoax? Humanity is truly doomed. Monkeys writing-á Shakespeare? That's like putting CCP in charge of game balance and content updates. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2011.12.19 09:58:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:VKhaun Vex wrote: This thread stinks of SO MUCH STUPID I can hardly stand it.
The only "stupid" I see in this thread are people saying "you're stupid for not believing it" but I have yet to hear any arguments on specifics. -How were the astronauts shielded from radiation? -Why are there inconsistenies in the photographs? -Why oh why for such a huge event in all of humanity could things like blueprints and orignal footage disappear? Hell the US still has the original Declaration of Independance and Constitution from the 1700s, but it cant keep the stuff from man's first steps on the moon from the 60s and 70s?
1. They wern't
2. What inconsistenies?
3. Many of the plans for the D-Day landings, the battle of the somme and most of the Paris sewer system have also been lost/destroyed
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
579
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Posted - 2011.12.19 16:23:00 -
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" The Apollo astronauts traveled through the Van Allen radiation belts on the way to the moon; however, exposure was minimized by following a trajectory along the edge of the belts that avoided the strongest areas of radiation. The total radiation exposure to astronauts was estimated to be much less than the 5 rem set by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission for people who work with radioactivity " http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.12.19 16:24:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Many of the plans for the D-Day landings, the battle of the Somme and most of the Paris sewer system have also been lost/destroyed
I lost my cars keys once, no idea where or how.
I used my spare set and strangely, I found that my CD of the Armageddon Soundtrack had been removed and replaced with my (ex) girlfriends Barbie-girl sing-a-long CD.
I have since come to the conclusion that Danish mega corps stole my keys, got into my car, changed the CD to influence my music listening tastes to better suit their economy.
I since ditched that girl, literally - by driving my car into a ditch as the passenger side has no airbag. I left CD player running on auto-repeat for Aerosmith, in the hope she would understand.
AK
GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥
Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2011.12.19 16:28:00 -
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Razin wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Quote:I knew a guy on the volleyball team who had a 32GÇ¥ vertical leap right here on Earth. So when I see guys jumping maybe 12GÇ¥, if that, in a 1/6 gravity environment with no air resistance, IGÇÖm not really all that impressed. In 200 lb of EVA Suit it is... Not to mention that the bulky suits make it very hard to control a jump, and make getting up from a fall a non-trivial endeavor. Furthermore, being in a hostile environment very far from home make any unfortunate fall from a high jump a potentially lethal disaster.
There is one hilarious/disturbing piece of film with an astronaut spending like 30 or 40 seconds trying to stand up after falling to the ground on his belly... those EVA suits were very rigid (although were the best that could be done back then) and limited severely the mobility of limbs and joints. So... no affordable NEx store... no full-fledged Incarna... no new casual content... no new solo content... no new PvE content...-á
Why should I keep paying to play this game? |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
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Posted - 2011.12.19 16:50:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:The original tapes of the moon landing where re-used for the first shuttle missions in order to save hundreds of thousands of dollars. So think of this: the only original audio-visual stuff surviving of the broadcast of the first moon landing is a 16 mm filmation of a 8
I just wanted to point out that the 16mm filmation technique was actually a fairly common process in that era, since the prints would stand up better to the run of time than straight film.
The original tapes, were they available today, would also suffer from aging defects. Look at the Star Wars special features -- they had to go back frame-by-frame to recolor the blue 'age tint' from the worn-out prints. |
Duvida
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.19 17:30:00 -
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Obsidian Hawk wrote:HI, obsidian here,
after meeting one of the apollo astronauts the one who was not a military personal but a geologist, Dr. Schmitt. I can say this. the lunar samples are cool and fun to study. Just saying the physical rock evidence we brought back outweighs any conspiracy theorist.
We have here, someone who has met one of the astronauts that went to the moon and back. And he's been ignored by the OP. Science seems to believe that the moon rocks are real. We've been using them for quite some time and there hasn't been an uproar saying 'these are Earth rocks!'.
It seems that the most of same people that worked on the initial space program with Mercury, Gemini as well as Apollo seemed to believe that all of the missions they were supporting were real. |
Rana Ash
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.12.19 18:50:00 -
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So lets say, just as a thought experiment that the conspiracy theorists where proven right. The moon was a hoax, then what?. What will they try and prove a hoax next?, that elvis and michael jackson are'nt dead?. They are with kennedy on some island playing poker all day?.. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
585
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:06:00 -
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Rana Ash wrote:So lets say, just as a thought experiment that the conspiracy theorists where proven right. The moon was a hoax, then what?. What will they try and prove a hoax next?, that elvis and michael jackson are'nt dead?. They are with kennedy on some island playing poker all day?.. We all know Elvis is not dead. He just went home. They even admitted it in MiB !
P.S. I love it when the original poster goes all of a sudden silent in his thread as soon as he's basically proven wrong beyond any REASONABLE doubt, but keeps being active in other threads. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.20 09:21:00 -
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I never understood why people want to belive it was fake. It is kind of like a religion I guess. |
Atticus Fynch
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.20 09:24:00 -
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Sidus Isaacs wrote:I never understood why people want to belive it was fake. It is kind of like a religion I guess.
It's not that people want ot believe it's fake. It's just that a lot of little things abut the whole Apollo program dont add up. |
VKhaun Vex
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.20 10:54:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:Sidus Isaacs wrote:I never understood why people want to belive it was fake. It is kind of like a religion I guess. It's not that people want ot believe it's fake. It's just that a lot of little things abut the whole Apollo program dont add up.
Yeah like all the people who spend so much time convincing themselves things don't add up, but spend zero time trying to add them up. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
587
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Posted - 2011.12.20 17:30:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:Sidus Isaacs wrote:I never understood why people want to belive it was fake. It is kind of like a religion I guess. It's not that people want ot believe it's fake. It's just that a lot of little things abut the whole Apollo program dont add up. Have you tried using all the little things as opposed to some cherry-picked ones only ? And have you tried using the plus sign for a change ? http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
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