Ugh, please. Times are changing, EVE is changing. You want this game to be around in 10 years? Well, then the game has to adapted to new generations of audiences. This is one of those adaptions and it's hardly as bad as everyone makes it out to be. You get like 3 million SP a YEAR if you do your little thing every day. Big whoop, who cares.

Ugh, please. Times are changing, EVE is changing. You want this game to be around in 10 years? Well, then the game has to adapted to new generations of audiences. This is one of those adaptions and it's hardly as bad as everyone makes it out to be. You get like 3 million SP a YEAR if you do your little thing every day. Big whoop, who cares.

I'd rather see a small dedicated player base stick around than for CCP to turn this into every other game on the market.

Heck, I'd rather see it shut down at some point while maintaining integrity than conform to every other game on the market.

Maybe you would but I rather doubt that CCP employees and investors would.

The game is slowly bleeding to death and you people are crying that CCP is trying something to encourage people to log in? Sheesh. Adapt or die.

Aside from the usual slippery slope fallacies, can anyone give me a valid reason why this will be bad for the game?

"Wow does it" and "Players can earn ISK by spending 2 minutes playing the game" are not enough to convince me at this point.

Unlike most people on the internet, my opinion can be swayed, so give it a shot.

Ugh, I agree with the OP, dailies are a terrible idea for EVE, keep them away.

I also maintain my original opinion on skill point trading in that it's an exceptionally bad idea that should never have even come close to implementation.

CCP had better be joking about this SP dailies thing, but given their track record of implementing bad ideas lately (skill trading, removing the watch list, the GONG - which at least got removed) it'l probably happen.

CCP - STOP MIMICKING OTHER MMO'S

Maybe you would but I rather doubt that CCP employees and investors would.

The game is slowly bleeding to death and you people are crying that CCP is trying something to encourage people to log in? Sheesh. Adapt or die.

Relevant.

Most of the solo-mode content in this game has a really bad case of that already. We need to rip out or change the mechanisms which make farming a good way to play the game, not make new ones.

Aside from the usual slippery slope fallacies, can anyone give me a valid reason why this will be bad for the game?

"Wow does it" and "Players can earn ISK by spending 2 minutes playing the game" are not enough to convince me at this point.

Unlike most people on the internet, my opinion can be swayed, so give it a shot.

CCP did dailies in Dust. That didn't kill it. The game was able to become profitable and retain a pretty diehard user base even on a dying console.

While EC is a nice and entertaining starting point when it comes to topics surrounding game development, I don't agree with them on everything. Personally I fancy myself some well made skinner boxing.*
What's more important though is that Skinner's theories to me present the first halfway scientific approach to finding out what "fun" really is. I'll happily read up on any contrary theories, but so far everything that's been thrown around in my vicinity has been highly esoteric.
When it comes to the alternatives to Skinner boxing methods EC present, none of them are very suitable for Eve, since all of them focus more or less on content made by a game's developers. And the design philosophy behind Eve is to basically use as little development time for creating content as possible. That is considered to be the players' job. While one might criticise this there are some significant advantages to this approach. Briefly speaking development time costs money while playing time grants money. And due to the excellent communication methods of the internet, such as wikis, forums, chats and voice coms, developer made content is consumed at ridiculous speeds nowadays, especially when it comes to the mastery aspect mentioned in the EC video. As an example World of Warcraft, a game almost as old as Eve, relies heavily on developer made content to stimulate players. This leads to the majority of their playerbase rushing back to the game whenever a new expansion is announced and then leaving again two weeks later when they've seen everything new. Not only does this lead to high fluctuations in the ammount of playing people, it's in fact only a feasible strategy because the game bills you for every expansion.



Back to the topic: I'm neutral towards dailies. I don't see any drawbacks but neither substantial benefits that could be gained from them, as opposed to e.g. the watchlist removal, which in my opinion removed a big incentive to groom a character's reputation.



* The emphasis here lies on well made. Stuff like bind-on-pickup items are just plain lazy.

Aside from the usual slippery slope fallacies, can anyone give me a valid reason why this will be bad for the game?

"Wow does it" and "Players can earn ISK by spending 2 minutes playing the game" are not enough to convince me at this point.

Unlike most people on the internet, my opinion can be swayed, so give it a shot.

Ugh, please. Times are changing, EVE is changing. You want this game to be around in 10 years? Well, then the game has to adapted to new generations of audiences. This is one of those adaptions and it's hardly as bad as everyone makes it out to be. You get like 3 million SP a YEAR if you do your little thing every day. Big whoop, who cares.

If you read through the original post, you should be able to see why its no good. I would explain in this post here but i would just be quoting parts of my original post. Essentially ccp is drifting away from the thigs that made eve great and turning it into any other mmo which i presume is for more dank dollar.

The introduction of extractors/injectors changes the paradigm significantly of adding SP rewards to various activities. SP acquisition is a production industry now. You're not forced to to play the SP production/harvesting game to benefit from it. Do activities you normally do to earn ISK and purchase SP on the market--use it, resell it, gift it, etc.

Passive SP is still available to you. The proposed and existing active sources of SP aren't placed behind inaccessible barriers. Again, skillpoints, don't determine player skill. That point has been beaten to death with the injector discussions.

Yes, the 'evolution' of the tribute system proposal to shoot one NPC every 22 hours is significantly underwhelming, but it's a start on interaction drivers nonetheless. Awarding SP to some interaction driver activities isn't going to kill the sandbox.