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Mecinia Lua Galactic Express	Posted - 2007.02.16 05:02:00 - [61] Keep in mind that many folks pay their accounts ahead for months at a time. As such the full impact of the recent events will not be known for some time. Some that cancel will also return over time. It may take 6 months before the full effect is determinable. Galactic Express Recruitment Post Thoughts expressed are mine and
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.16 05:15:00 - [62] Originally by: Mecinia Lua Keep in mind that many folks pay their accounts ahead for months at a time. As such the full impact of the recent events will not be known for some time. Some that cancel will also return over time. It may take 6 months before the full effect is determinable. And i'm betting that in the time it takes for the prepaid accounts to reach their end sanity will have returned to the forum populace..
Nikla Uthaan Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.16 05:15:00 - [63] Sounds like the OP wants to start their own MMORPG :) On a more serious note, A) Why would CCP release cancellation figures (oh em gee, look at all the people who think we suck). and B) What the heck difference does it make? I really don't care if 4000 people cancelled their accounts in the last two weeks, I'm no sheep. I don't care if it's a 'demonstration of the state of affairs' or any other stuff. ----------------- One word,, emo,,, The Mishing is an ethnic group in the districts of North Lakhimpur, Sonitput, Dhemaji, Dibrugarh, Sibsagar, Jorhat, Golaghat, Tinsukia of Assam.
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express	Posted - 2007.02.16 05:33:00 - [64] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Mecinia Lua Keep in mind that many folks pay their accounts ahead for months at a time. As such the full impact of the recent events will not be known for some time. Some that cancel will also return over time. It may take 6 months before the full effect is determinable. And i'm betting that in the time it takes for the prepaid accounts to reach their end sanity will have returned to the forum populace.. I'm afraid that my corp is losing some people though :(, at least three or four are thinking about it :( Galactic Express Recruitment Post Thoughts expressed are mine and
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.16 05:39:00 - [65] Sorry to hear that.. But.. Try to remind them that even if BoB still had the bpo's in their possesion(even the extra ones that a few have claimed) it would make jack shiat difference in the end.. Not to be harsh but really do you think if your alliance had the bpos in question you would be the ones winning?
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express	Posted - 2007.02.16 06:24:00 - [66] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Sorry to hear that.. But.. Try to remind them that even if BoB still had the bpo's in their possesion(even the extra ones that a few have claimed) it would make jack shiat difference in the end.. Not to be harsh but really do you think if your alliance had the bpos in question you would be the ones winning? Its not just the issue of the BPOs, its the issue that CCP discovered the error last summer, yet did nothing about it and have been covering it up since then. Most of us came from SWG where we saw how SOE handled the CU and NGE rollouts and to be honest the actions of CCP in the last couple weeks have really reminded us of the heavy handed tactics they used. They don't feel CCP has been fully honest, they don't believe t20 was the only dev, or that at the very least he did it with the complacency of CCP since he wasn't fired. Its the fact that they also didn't remove the revenue that was generated by the BPOs from the game or items made by it either. In other words they look at it as kinda hollow. They see that the person who investigated last summer and left these BPOs in place all this time is now head of the Internal Audit division and they aren't finding that very comforting. CCP hasn't worked well to restore the player confidence, if it gets as bad as the cancellations that happened to SWG due to the attitude shown at the time the NGE was rolled out there, then for every cancellation we see posted on the boards there will be far more that quit. The fact also that SirMolle was not banned for posting personal information on the forums as others have been have caused them to really doubt that there is any kind of real sincere effort on CCPs efforts to address the situation. It is a clear sign of favortism and it is clear that posting such information posses a real life danger to the individual. I am glad they have taken the steps they have, I'm just afraid its not really enough. I fully believe that the population will decrease this year, but I hope it springs back. Galactic Express Recruitment Post Thoughts expressed are mine and
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.02.16 06:31:00 - [67] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Naqisaki I've canceled... but not for good, just a break for a few months no doubt. My subs don't end till the end of feb though. And this is a fairly humorous comment that alot seem to make: "I'M QUITTING!! FFS CCP SUXS!!!! GOSHDANGED CHEETORZ!!!! Oh.. but i'll be back in the near future though.." So whats the point of quitting if your just gonna re-sub later? Not picking on you specifically Naqisaki its just that reminded me of alot of other 'cancelled' posts.. Dred will you ever stop trolling and towing the pro bob line... you've been doing it since the very start of the dev controversy and its a bit too transparent. I'm anti bob, because i know what they've done. If you're going to troll like this then please take sides. Or post on a main char and be neutral about it.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.02.16 07:20:00 - [68] Originally by: Dark Shikari A lot of people I know both from the forums and ingame, unfortunately, no longer play because of this. Most I ran into because of my textboard, where a lot of people who I thought would never quit have now let go of all their accounts. Some kept their stuff, expecting to come back; others gave it away. Well, I hope they take their characters completely out of play too, and not sell them. That way I will become more senior among the players. As you can see I wont miss them. Honestly, I think this is not becoming of you DS. CCP have made their decision upon valid iternal rules they have for the game. We will just have to accept that. So Like it or loathe it. The decisition is taken. It is time to look forward, and not try to create a new 100 page thread with the same gibberish. Whats needed to be said have been said! Many times! Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
Nacor	Posted - 2007.02.16 07:25:00 - [69] i'm with umop 3pisdn on this one, Dred is beginning to sound a bit like the Iraqi information Minister during the invasion. Maybe CCP can hire him for there PR department. Although i don't think even they would be that blind or optimistic.
Cadela Fria Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.16 07:26:00 - [70] Originally by: umop 3pisdn If you're going to troll like this then please take sides. Or post on a main char and be neutral about it. Lets see...umop 3pisdn ..18 day old character..no npc standings..in an npc corp. No corp history. Pot..kettle..black. - New sig in the workings -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right - ....steals a cookie from the ISD cookie yarr >_>
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.16 07:42:00 - [71] Originally by: umop 3pisdn Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Naqisaki I've canceled... but not for good, just a break for a few months no doubt. My subs don't end till the end of feb though. And this is a fairly humorous comment that alot seem to make: "I'M QUITTING!! FFS CCP SUXS!!!! GOSHDANGED CHEETORZ!!!! Oh.. but i'll be back in the near future though.." So whats the point of quitting if your just gonna re-sub later? Not picking on you specifically Naqisaki its just that reminded me of alot of other 'cancelled' posts.. Dred will you ever stop trolling and towing the pro bob line... you've been doing it since the very start of the dev controversy and its a bit too transparent. I'm anti bob, because i know what they've done. If you're going to troll like this then please take sides. Or post on a main char and be neutral about it. Pro BoB? Plz link me to any post anywhere in the forums where I have shown any favoritism to any one political entity.. I think that the whole affair is just silly meta politics taken to the nth level due to the opportunistic hacker that started the whole mess.. If your still crabbing about it then your hours late on the latest scandel.. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=477023&page=5 Now this has real consequenses to eve and its future.. but eh its probably not sensational enough for the habitual flamers I guess.. Oh and thanks for the support Cadela.. I <3 eve as much as you do..
Farrellus Cameron Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.16 08:36:00 - [72] This thread won't be locked. It will be ignored though (by CCP that is). Sorry, it's the truth. ----------------------------------------------------
Cadela Fria Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.16 08:49:00 - [73] Edited by: Cadela Fria on 16/02/2007 08:47:05 locked? quite possibly, but not certain..ignored? most definitely..what do you want them to do? Come in here and be all like "ITS TRUE! PEOPLE ARE QUITTING LEFT AND RIGHT! ARGHH!!" ? yeah..you keep believing that. What else? "The amount of cancelled account are at this point up to #" Is that what you want? Yeah thats a good idea..tell the community the exact number of people who hypothetically quit..it's a good idea, then we can inspire those who thought about quitting but dont have the balls to do so cause they think they're the only one, to actually quit...and inspire others to start yelling "good riddance". Sound like a good idea? I didn't think so. What else then? "There have been no cancelled accounts", well that'd defeat the firm strong belief with people that some are actually quitting and that'll make people angry and/or they'll start calling CCP liars all over again because they're so bent out of shape with the idea that people are migrating out of here and CCP is the devil incarnate, abusing their players left and right. Not to mention it'd send a storm of people going "hah hah how stupid do you feel now all you retard nay-sayers? Can't own up to your own threats huh? pathetic" which would then of course provoke the afforementioned nay-sayers and some might actually start quitting... Sound like something you'd want to do if you were in CCP's shoes? I didn't think so. What else? "We won't release this sort of information", for the paranoid conspirators (sp?) this inevitably equates to "People are quitting, but we wont admit it, cause we're sweeping it under the rug"..and we got more conspiracy crap and yelling and screaming going around. Not to mention those who will read it for what it says: "It's not really any of your goddarn buisness, we have no reason nor obligation to tell you this..if you want to know this sort of thing, make your own company/game", will start yelling at the nay-sayers for being all sorts of unpleasent things and then we have a whole new fight on our hands. Sound familiar? Yeah, I didn't think it'd be a good idea either. Any other "BRIGHT" ideas? - New sig in the workings -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right - ....steals a cookie from the ISD cookie yarr >_>
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.02.16 08:51:00 - [74] Originally by: Farrellus Cameron This thread won't be locked. It will be ignored though (by CCP that is). Sorry, it's the truth. Honestly, I see no reason to why CCP should not ignore this thread. its a manure pile. Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
Guth Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.02.16 09:06:00 - [75] I'm pasting in my post here instead. It seems my thread with this post got locked. (NO dear moderators, that is not discussing moderation. It is an observation, anyone else can see the same if they click the thread that got locked.) Original post: Guth Gallente The Scope Posted - 2007.02.16 08:48:00 - [1] - Edit I'm curious on the effect this has had on the community. From the posts I have read, many people are in outrage about this, even after all the information posted by CCP. I am one of them.. (sorry CCP, but you just havent given enough information. I will check back in a few months though.) I recently canceled my recurring subscriptions on both my accounts. It was not entirely this incident that did it, but it was the final straw for me. My choice came after alot of thinking and also searching around for the facts regarding this last incident. (I would like more industrial content as well of course.. but that has always been the case with me.. ) How many of you have done something similar, and what are the reasons? Im curios on how this has affected the playerbase. It seems we have one side that goes "OMG stop posting about this allready, all the info has been given!!!oneoneelewenty", and the other side going "all devs are cheaters! pass out the tinfoil hats!!" I am somewhere in the middle. I dont think CCP is a corrupt cheating den of EVE players, but i DO think they have to handle this better than they allready have or the trust many of us have in them is gone. I'm off to Vanguard, which also has a intricate crafting system (i love crafting ), and seems to be working out ok so far. Hope to see you again CCP, when i reactivate my accounts after all this has been cleaned up in a way that is satisfactory to me. The largest alliance in this game (BoB) still having the isk/items/ships they got from their ill-gotten T2 BPOs is an example of non-satisfactory cleaning up in my eyes. As are alot of other things regarding the deletion of posts and banning of certain accounts and not of others. Hope you fix it so I can enjoy your game again, along with others who feel the same way about the state it is currently in. Also i feel bad for Oveour and others who have worked their ASS OFF to get EVE where it is today, then getting hit in the face with this. Hey I know its not your fault, and I'm sorry this happened to you. You are the best gaming company I know of. But something's gotta give.. Sig removed. Please email us if you would like to know why. -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) -- I dont need to. I know why. And i dissaprove. You no longer get my monhtly fees, goodbye to you sirs. Factoid: Something fictitious that is presented as fact, devised especially to gain publicity and accepted because of constant repetition Sig removed. Please email us if you would like to know why. -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) Factoid: Something fictitious that is presented as fact, devised especially to gain publicity and accepted because of constant repetition
Arcticblue2 Gallente Nordic Freelancers inc	Posted - 2007.02.16 10:30:00 - [76] Originally by: Mecinia Lua Keep in mind that many folks pay their accounts ahead for months at a time. As such the full impact of the recent events will not be known for some time. Some that cancel will also return over time. It may take 6 months before the full effect is determinable. That is true, in fact I used to pay 3 months a head on one account and 6 months on the other one, and when the Macromining thing went to the roof and CCP refused to do something serious about it I switched to pay on montly basis on both so that if I did cancel it would not be taking so long time to cancel my accounts. So far I have canceled 2 accounts and yeah that is both I do have. Both accounts are 3 years old characters, so far my cancelation is pending ... early next month I won't post anything here as they will be canceled. And no I won't reopen them to CCP do some serious things about the allegations to them. Adding that IA guy is one way in the right direction, but I need to see someone removed from the game... and you all know who. ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Cadela Fria Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.16 10:33:00 - [77] Originally by: Arcticblue2 Adding that IA guy is one way in the right direction, but I need to see someone removed from the game... and you all know who. He was removed from the game though...his character was deleted? Remember? - New sig in the workings -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right - ....steals a cookie from the ISD cookie yarr >_>
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.16 10:39:00 - [78] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Whats needed to be said have been said! Many times! Whats needed to be done have NOT been done. Luckely I use a one month subscription plan so I no longer have to pay for being treated as a second rank customer by CCP by tomorrow. Until the day there will be one EULA for everybody I will not be back. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Lubomir Penev Gallente Dark Nexxus	Posted - 2007.02.16 10:52:00 - [79] Originally by: Jadelith Eve online is bar-none the best mmorpg. What happened is a small flaw when you compare it to the beauty of it: It simulates real life politics in an exceptionally good way. If you are asking a question that ccp can't and won't answer, then you obviously are still not "over it". People cancel their subscriptions because of a million different reasons. You know this, I know this, everyone knows this. How, tell me, is ccp supposed to know whether a person cancelled his/her account because of this issue? (And btw, if someone bothers to write up to ccp why they've quit, they'll be coming back in a month) Yes CCP is supposed to know because when you suspend your subscription you are asked to tell why. And yes I still play and post even if I cancelled, likely till the last day on February 27th. I paid it I use it. And tbh the people most likely to cancel over the events are people with an interest in PvP and EVE politics/economy. The events have about 0% influence on your average Empire mission runner. The percentage of carebears in the game may thus increase...

Wrangler	Posted - 2007.02.16 11:06:00 - [80] I don't think it's possible to answer this question really. There hasn't been any form of mass cancellation, but as many has posted some people are undecided, and of course anyone using ETC's won't show up until they decide not to renew. The full effect of this, however big or small it will end up being, probably wont be seen for some time due to how you pay for EVE, everything else is just speculation. Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Arcticblue2 Gallente Nordic Freelancers inc	Posted - 2007.02.16 11:29:00 - [81] Originally by: Cadela Fria Originally by: Arcticblue2 Adding that IA guy is one way in the right direction, but I need to see someone removed from the game... and you all know who. He was removed from the game though...his character was deleted? Remember? No T20's character was deleted/renamed... IA is the guy who is investigate this now (Internal Affairs), also I refer to SirMolle who posted information about who the hacker was and wanted people to call and get him fired (he just did not know that the hacker was co-owner and husband of the other owner of that company). Since the information is there and I could post the link but that would make me no less better than sirmolle. however I am very sure that CCP now KNOWS about this incident and well lets wait and see what they do with it. My guess... nothing. ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Pesadel0 Vagabundos	Posted - 2007.02.16 11:51:00 - [82] Originally by: Dark Shikari A lot of people I know both from the forums and ingame, unfortunately, no longer play because of this. Most I ran into because of my textboard, where a lot of people who I thought would never quit have now let go of all their accounts. Some kept their stuff, expecting to come back; others gave it away. Same happened with some of my oldest friends in eve,they payed 6 months but after this incident they said ,"hell with it" and stoped logging on . I'am feeling like i'am the last one trying to survive all alone in swamp cramped with dirty things. But the thing that keeps me here is to see BoB alliance burn ,and i mean really burn.
Maximus Epeenus Caldari Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.16 11:57:00 - [83] I just rejoined, I'm having great fun in 0.0 right now, best game by far, those who complain are, as many have said are whining over nothing.
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2007.02.16 12:02:00 - [84] Originally by: Wrangler I don't think it's possible to answer this question really. There hasn't been any form of mass cancellation, but as many has posted some people are undecided, and of course anyone using ETC's won't show up until they decide not to renew. The full effect of this, however big or small it will end up being, probably wont be seen for some time due to how you pay for EVE, everything else is just speculation. The percentage of credit card payers who cancelled their subscription would of course be a good indication ... But I take it that CCP doesn't want to release such numbers.
RadarJack Amarr Solar Storm X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.16 12:28:00 - [85] Just as an indicator, I usually log on about 20:00 game time. Over the past few weeks current online has usually been well in the 30k+ regions at this time, usually around 32k. With the current dramatic wars going on I would expect this number to increase slightly, what with people reactivating in support of their alliances etc. Last night it was 26k. Not the end of the world, but if its comparable to subscription figures a 10-20% cut must have some sort of impact to the bottom line.
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.16 12:30:00 - [86] actually with all the publicity generated im sure new account sign ups might actually offset any cancellations
Araxmas Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 13:37:00 - [87] Originally by: RadarJack Just as an indicator, I usually log on about 20:00 game time. Over the past few weeks current online has usually been well in the 30k+ regions at this time, usually around 32k. With the current dramatic wars going on I would expect this number to increase slightly, what with people reactivating in support of their alliances etc. Last night it was 26k. Not the end of the world, but if its comparable to subscription figures a 10-20% cut must have some sort of impact to the bottom line. Actually 26k is kinda normal for a thursday night -------- Shabba dabba do
RaTTuS BIG Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.16 13:42:00 - [88] Edited by: RaTTuS on 16/02/2007 13:40:07 Well Looking @ Server stats not a lot edit Aha I've seen this has been posted before -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal \| RaTTuS @ Skills Showroom
Timeto Die	Posted - 2007.02.16 13:47:00 - [89] Originally by: Hakera Even if we were told, unless your given an exit poll to say why you cancelled. Yes, there is a text box you can fill out to say why you are cancelling your subscription.
Dynast Knights of Red Mars Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 15:03:00 - [90] Originally by: Timeto Die Originally by: Hakera Even if we were told, unless your given an exit poll to say why you cancelled. Yes, there is a text box you can fill out to say why you are cancelling your subscription. Correct. An interesting statistic would be how many people chose to cancel accounts citing "Customer Service" or "Game Balance" as the reasons, those being probably the closest to "Devs cheating on behalf of an alliance". Another would be how many cancellations include verbose descriptions of their reasoning containing certain specific phrases and names.

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