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Maam	Posted - 2007.02.16 15:50:00 - [91] I doubt that many people will really cancel their accounts over this. Primarily because the only people that actually care enough to quit are those who are deeply involved in big corp and alliance politics, and they are exactly the people who can't quit because their lives revolve around the game. There will be plenty of foot stamping, posturing and threatening to quit, but actual quitters? Nah, hardly any.
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.16 16:57:00 - [92] Good riddance to anyone that leaves over "the events" as you call 'm. From all the people complaining i'd say 5% - 10% are capable of actually giving a reason that is supported by facts. The other 90% are drowning in misinformation spread by all the people (and their alts) that at one time or another were sent back to noobland by the forces of Bob. Allegations of cheating devs and gm's working in concert with bob or any other powerful alliance are as old as the game. The vast majority were caused by simple misunderstandings about game mechanics, luck and the experience of the victorious. Other occasions concerned sporadic but obvious bugs that were taken advantage of while possible, not always very nice, but then again the victims got their ships back from gm's. And while some player somewhere needs to press a button to kill a ship, in the end it's CCP that is responsible for letting bugs onto TQ, not the players. Last but not least, any scientist can tell you how utterly unreliable second-hand stories are. Yet this is how a lot of information is passed around in EVE. That is where the phrase proof or stfu comes in. A lot of people bought K's spectacular stories hook, line and sinker. Some people even claim it is the PROOF in proof or stfu. But it isn't. Whatever K publishes is at most weak and circumstantial evidence. It provides no proof of anything whatsoever on its own. Nobody had any oversight on the integrity of K's forum copy and K himself is just one person with a claim. Namely the claim that he is publishing original, unaltered posts from the RKK forum. An unverifiable claim if there ever was one. -- .sig apathy ftw
Claude Leon Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.02.16 17:00:00 - [93] Originally by: Maam I doubt that many people will really cancel their accounts over this. Primarily because the only people that actually care enough to quit are those who are deeply involved in big corp and alliance politics, and they are exactly the people who can't quit because their lives revolve around the game. There will be plenty of foot stamping, posturing and threatening to quit, but actual quitters? Nah, hardly any. Actually, everyone should care. CCP, drop the ball on this one. Quite honestly, I don't believe that they will be able to recover. It is no question that Bob's reputation and crediabilty is destroyed by this matter. While many may care or not care about that, they should care about what actually happened. An employee of CCP influenced game events for personal gain. That is wrong and shouldn't be tolerated. In another thread one person stated, "the referees don't play the game or belong on any teams." That is so true and should apply to CCP.
Angellyne	Posted - 2007.02.16 17:26:00 - [94] Originally by: prsr Last but not least, any scientist can tell you how utterly unreliable second-hand stories are. Yet this is how a lot of information is passed around in EVE. That is where the phrase proof or stfu comes in. A lot of people bought K's spectacular stories hook, line and sinker. Some people even claim it is the PROOF in proof or stfu. But it isn't. Whatever K publishes is at most weak and circumstantial evidence. It provides no proof of anything whatsoever on its own. Nobody had any oversight on the integrity of K's forum copy and K himself is just one person with a claim. Namely the claim that he is publishing original, unaltered posts from the RKK forum. An unverifiable claim if there ever was one. Except "whatever K published" lead to a confession. Did you catch that part? For a long time, people (some half jokingly) were accusing BoB of cheating, devs are in BoB, etc. etc. I (for one) didn't care - I never had a problem with BoB myself. Even so, the "revelation" that some of this was actually true is disappointing. I get the feeling the full extent of the cheating will never be known, and that's... well, disheartening. It's stupid to blame BoB for this, IMO. Sadly, their members have gotta be feeling like the boy who cried wolf right about now -- I just feel sorry for the ones who knew nothing about it. Anyway, if I had actually been the other side of a war with BoB, vitriolic spin like yours would only make me MORE angry about this scandal, since ... well, the spin has been around a lot longer than the scandal, you see.
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.16 17:55:00 - [95] "The Event" only came to light a few days ago, most people who cancel their subscription simply cancel their next payment, for that reason there will not be a sharp decline in subscribers today or even this month. The people that choose to leave will slowly phase out over a duration of about 3 months. Many of the people that now cancel their subscription will naturally closer to the deadline weaken and in the end stay online... it is after all a very nifty game, "The Event" or not. The only people who can be seen to vanish now will be the people who contact their credit card companty and retroactivelly cancel their subscription for their full game duration, getting back all the money they thus far have payed to play the game, yes that is possible, I would suspect that CCP will wipe such customers accounts quickly. Now I sincerelly hope the game will survive "The Event" and I hope that behind the scenes the guilty partiesof "The Event" are thouroughly punished but that is all in CCP's hands.
Cmdr Sy Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:32:00 - [96] I am definitely not cancelling, because I was away during the weeks when whatever happened happened. It's kinda spooky how everyone seems scared to talk about whatever it is, but I am assured I did not miss anything. And so... back to Logoffs
Phichi Team Americas Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:47:00 - [97] Originally by: Claude Leon Actually, everyone should care. CCP, drop the ball on this one. Quite honestly, I don't believe that they will be able to recover. It is no question that Bob's reputation and crediabilty is destroyed by this matter. While many may care or not care about that, they should care about what actually happened. An employee of CCP influenced game events for personal gain. That is wrong and shouldn't be tolerated. In another thread one person stated, "the referees don't play the game or belong on any teams." That is so true and should apply to CCP. DOOOOOOOOOOOM DOOOOOOOM DOOOOOOM!!! Gimme a break, I have no love for BOB, I think they are arrogant ***s, but they got a sabre bpo and some ammo, that in itself did not sway any conflicts. Yes, the devs have agreed that that should not have happened and action has been taken. Now the people that keep going on and on about how he (the dev in question) should be fired are obviously people that have never looked somone in the face and fired them, or know what its like to be fired. You aren't just relieving the guy of an activity that he performs on his off time. You are seriously hurting him and his children/spouse/family members etc economically IN REAL LIFE! Eve is not real life people, ITS A GAME meant for FUN. I seriously doubt the dev in question sat there and said to himself, "I am going to implement an evil plan to take over Eve with my uber sabre bpo and ammo." He was going to have FUN. Wrong as the circumstances are, that shouldn't exactly be a fireable offense. As for Eve never recovering, thats a load of crap. The only people that care enough about this to quit are the kind of people that probably need to step back from the keyboard for awhile anyways. And that doesn't make up 90% of the population. These boards are not an accurate representation of the eve population. Most people in game couldn't give a **. Personally I don't see how CCP dropped the ball. They implemented some form of punishment (which is none of your damn business what, and is an internal company matter.) And are creating a whole "IA" section to watch for this sort of thing in the future. What else do you want? His head hanging on the castle gates? Now in my personal opinion I think its a good thing the devs play the game. That way they actually have a clue of what should be fixed, change, etc. I just don't think that they should be involved in any major politics. My last point is that people keep saying "The devS are cheating, the devS are helping BOB" It's Dev, singular, not plural. To say they are all cheating is wrong and spits in the face of all the great ideas and things they have done for you guys. Without them, there wouldn't be a game for you to whine about. BTW this is not all directed towards the quoted post, I merely used it for a partial example. Muggers point out failures in one's personal security measures, but it does not alter the fact that they are muggers.
Illyria Ambri Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:53:00 - [98] I know I wish I could use insider information to benefit myself and my friends on the companys dime to change the course of a system that involves thousands of people from all over the world... LOL Course the problem with doing that in the civilized world is getting fired immediatly and probably fraud charges, insider trading and who knows what else. Maybe I should move to Iceland.. seems to be totally legal there.. no consiquences at all. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Happiness is a warm railgun
Phichi Team Americas Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:04:00 - [99] Originally by: Illyria Ambri I know I wish I could use insider information to benefit myself and my friends on the companys dime to change the course of a system that involves thousands of people from all over the world... LOL Course the problem with doing that in the civilized world is getting fired immediatly and probably fraud charges, insider trading and who knows what else. Maybe I should move to Iceland.. seems to be totally legal there.. no consiquences at all. Once again... my point. Fraud charges? Insider Trading? Are you for real? ITS A GAME! Get a grip on reality. Muggers point out failures in one's personal security measures, but it does not alter the fact that they are muggers.
dfgdfgerdv	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:07:00 - [100] Can i have your guys stuff?
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:08:00 - [101] Originally by: dfgdfgerdv Can i have your guys stuff? only if you tell me how to pronounce your name Never again are you allowed to whine about not training Combat Skills
Illyria Ambri Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:29:00 - [102] Edited by: Illyria Ambri on 16/02/2007 21:27:03 Originally by: Phichi Originally by: Illyria Ambri I know I wish I could use insider information to benefit myself and my friends on the companys dime to change the course of a system that involves thousands of people from all over the world... LOL Course the problem with doing that in the civilized world is getting fired immediatly and probably fraud charges, insider trading and who knows what else. Maybe I should move to Iceland.. seems to be totally legal there.. no consiquences at all. Once again... my point. Fraud charges? Insider Trading? Are you for real? ITS A GAME! Get a grip on reality. Its a software system no different then windows or photoshop or any other corporate product. When someone with insider knowledge uses that knowledge for their own personal gain and/or that of their relations then its grounds for dismissal and depending on the issue various other unplesant things. If a company (insert company of your choice) employee uses inside knowledge to the advancement of non-employees this is considered a crime in most countries. I am assuming that like most decently run companies.. especially companies such as game and software companies where they use propriatary information.. they have to sign essentially a non disclosure agreement which effectivly states the signer will not use company information, resources or equipment for personal or relations gain, and will not share said information with those outside the company. Now I apologize if I am assuming you are an adult and have taken a real job where corporate assets are highly protected. (I don't think you have to worry.. I'm sure everyone knows what the Big Mac secret sauce you guys serves really is) But any company worth its stock would immediatly fire any employee that misutilizes propriatary company information for the benefit of a non-company entity. So stop throwing a hissy fit and realize that this was handled wrong.. is being handled wrong and the customers are demanding answers and justice. Put down the throat hoagie and stop pretending this is JUST a game.. this is a multi-million dollar enterprise/company/project.. not your local lemonade stand. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Happiness is a warm railgun
Redback911	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:33:00 - [103] Does anyone care? Why keep dragging this up? Move on people, I'm playing EVE.
Darken Two Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:33:00 - [104] Originally by: Phichi Originally by: Illyria Ambri I know I wish I could use insider information to benefit myself and my friends on the companys dime to change the course of a system that involves thousands of people from all over the world... LOL Course the problem with doing that in the civilized world is getting fired immediatly and probably fraud charges, insider trading and who knows what else. Maybe I should move to Iceland.. seems to be totally legal there.. no consiquences at all. Once again... my point. Fraud charges? Insider Trading? Are you for real? ITS A GAME! Get a grip on reality. Are you paying for you account in peanuts? because I assure you the rest of us are spending our money to play the "GAME". If I pay money for something, I expect to get my moneys worth. So shut up and stop talking nonsense. People who would face economic hardship by losing their jobs, should think before they decide to cheat on a "GAME" they administer and maintain for thousands of people who pay their salaries and bills. Of course I'd be totally alright with this whole thing if you start paying my credit card bills. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:24:00 - [105] I canceled my account but it is paid up through May. This action was taken in order to express my displeasure with recent events. Taking no action sends the message that they can mess with you all they want to. The most effective way to "send a message" is to affect a company's bottom line. If, say, 10,000 players canceled and didn't resubscribe for thirty days, that would be a significant financial hit to a small company like CCP. It would get their attention and emphasize the need to respect their customers. The timing of my resubscription will be determined by the action CCP takes between now and then. A single subscriber won't have an impact. Thousands will. If you're not happy with what CCP is doing, you have choices. You can withhold revenue from them without quitting forever. Just don't be a sheep.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:28:00 - [106] 6 accounts cancelled. This game is diseased. Run by fraudulent developers and GMs for their own amusement and catering to the lowest of the lowest. To get ahead, you must cheat, scam, exploit and suck developer **. I'd rather wait a bit for a better game than associate with this piece of ** any longer. -------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft.
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:38:00 - [107] Great, can I have your stuff? Yes, some older players will quit. Great, less people of my power level and above :) (And no, I won't fight in the tournys or actively participate in Aurora events. Those are my choices too) //Maya
Phichi Team Americas Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:40:00 - [108] Originally by: Illyria Ambri Its a software system no different then windows or photoshop or any other corporate product. When someone with insider knowledge uses that knowledge for their own personal gain and/or that of their relations then its grounds for dismissal and depending on the issue various other unplesant things. If a company (insert company of your choice) employee uses inside knowledge to the advancement of non-employees this is considered a crime in most countries. I am assuming that like most decently run companies.. especially companies such as game and software companies where they use propriatary information.. they have to sign essentially a non disclosure agreement which effectivly states the signer will not use company information, resources or equipment for personal or relations gain, and will not share said information with those outside the company. Now I apologize if I am assuming you are an adult and have taken a real job where corporate assets are highly protected. (I don't think you have to worry.. I'm sure everyone knows what the Big Mac secret sauce you guys serves really is) But any company worth its stock would immediatly fire any employee that misutilizes propriatary company information for the benefit of a non-company entity. So stop throwing a hissy fit and realize that this was handled wrong.. is being handled wrong and the customers are demanding answers and justice. Put down the throat hoagie and stop pretending this is JUST a game.. this is a multi-million dollar enterprise/company/project.. not your local lemonade stand. I am an adult, and I do work for a multi million dollar corporation. You had a respectable argument until the throat hoagie and burger king comment. I didn't throw around any personal insults i advise you to do the same. Do you even have a job? Anyways, the so called personal gain has no "legal" monetary value. He didn't sell anything, he played in-game. On those grounds no court in the world is going to listen to a fraud or insider trading argument. There's no evidence as far as I know that he gave anything to anyone else or that anyone else sold anything. There is also no evidence as far as i know that he told anyone any info on how to do anything like that. I agree it was a misuse of equipment, and I do agree it was stupid, personally I wouldn't have done it, and he is deserving of punishment. But being fired is a bit harsh. Especially if this particular employee has significant value to the company (which it seems like he does). As for non-disclosure agreements, you have as much of an idea as I do what he signed. In other words, no idea. So my question to you is what would you have them do? They punished him, they told you what happened, and they apologized.... So what now? Keep screaming about it? Keep the personal attacks to yourself, especially if your going to accuse somone else of not being adult. Muggers point out failures in one's personal security measures, but it does not alter the fact that they are muggers.
Secretary Bargain consumables	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:49:00 - [109] Originally by: Redback911 Does anyone care? Why keep dragging this up? Move on people, I'm playing EVE. except you're not. you're in the forums bumping the thread so obviously you have some interest in the matter. The only problem with discussions that are linked in any way That Which Shall Not Be Named (TWSNBN) is that they turn into bizarre off topic rants about the same issues over and over again with the same people taking the same stance. CCP response to the OP was : it'll take some time for any change in subscriber numbers to be apparent. Having people cancel subs is the only sanction available to us, you get to vote with your money. Not sure how telling you how i voted is going to change matters, it won't change CCP's reaction and it shouldn't alter anyone elses choices unless they're complete sheep. The overall data itself would interest me because i'm vain and insecure enough that i'd like to think others have made the same choice. It'll take months to get that data. Bump the thread then, if you remember. I am an alt. I know my rights, and my dinguses!
Phichi Team Americas Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.16 22:51:00 - [110] Originally by: Darken Two Originally by: Phichi Originally by: Illyria Ambri I know I wish I could use insider information to benefit myself and my friends on the companys dime to change the course of a system that involves thousands of people from all over the world... LOL Course the problem with doing that in the civilized world is getting fired immediatly and probably fraud charges, insider trading and who knows what else. Maybe I should move to Iceland.. seems to be totally legal there.. no consiquences at all. Once again... my point. Fraud charges? Insider Trading? Are you for real? ITS A GAME! Get a grip on reality. Are you paying for you account in peanuts? because I assure you the rest of us are spending our money to play the "GAME". If I pay money for something, I expect to get my moneys worth. So shut up and stop talking nonsense. People who would face economic hardship by losing their jobs, should think before they decide to cheat on a "GAME" they administer and maintain for thousands of people who pay their salaries and bills. Of course I'd be totally alright with this whole thing if you start paying my credit card bills. A. How did this affect you? B. So what do you want? I personally refuse to let one guy cheating ruin my playing experience. I was dissapointed yes, but its not the life changing event everyone is making it out to be. If you want to get mad at somthing that is really severly altering the true nature of this game, then start screaming about the macro miners, isk sellers, and ebayers in this game. THAT is cheating at its worst. Muggers point out failures in one's personal security measures, but it does not alter the fact that they are muggers.
Darken Two Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:07:00 - [111] Originally by: Phichi Originally by: Darken Two Originally by: Phichi Originally by: Illyria Ambri I know I wish I could use insider information to benefit myself and my friends on the companys dime to change the course of a system that involves thousands of people from all over the world... LOL Course the problem with doing that in the civilized world is getting fired immediatly and probably fraud charges, insider trading and who knows what else. Maybe I should move to Iceland.. seems to be totally legal there.. no consiquences at all. Once again... my point. Fraud charges? Insider Trading? Are you for real? ITS A GAME! Get a grip on reality. Are you paying for you account in peanuts? because I assure you the rest of us are spending our money to play the "GAME". If I pay money for something, I expect to get my moneys worth. So shut up and stop talking nonsense. People who would face economic hardship by losing their jobs, should think before they decide to cheat on a "GAME" they administer and maintain for thousands of people who pay their salaries and bills. Of course I'd be totally alright with this whole thing if you start paying my credit card bills. A. How did this affect you? B. So what do you want? I personally refuse to let one guy cheating ruin my playing experience. I was dissapointed yes, but its not the life changing event everyone is making it out to be. If you want to get mad at somthing that is really severly altering the true nature of this game, then start screaming about the macro miners, isk sellers, and ebayers in this game. THAT is cheating at its worst. It affects the people who have expended effort in fighting BoB over the past 2 years or so. It basically means that those people have been spending their money to get cheated. Macrominers, isk-sellers and ebayers, I dont care about basically because it doesn't really affect me in any way. People who buy accounts and isk are generally too incompetent to make them ingame and hence are just throwing their money away to get spanked ingame. If BoB had a spy in another alliance stealin BPOS and giving them intel, I would have said its a dirty trick but it would not have bothered me. However, a Dev helping them in the same fashion is a betrayal of CCP's customer base and I for one don't like being cheated and don't like other people being cheated as well. Even if I was an empire dwelling carebear who was new to the game and this incident would not in any way affect me, I would still care because someone got cheated. Maybe you need to care more about other people as well instead of just thinking about yourself and how the universe revolves around you. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Kramerite Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:10:00 - [112] Edited by: Kramerite on 16/02/2007 23:06:42 Originally by: fire 59 Fight or exploit, it's the wins that matter Fixed
Phichi Team Americas Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:17:00 - [113] You didn't answer either question. Isk sellers etc. do affect you. When the people you are fighting against can just buy new stuff at will by buying isk it definitely affects you. Macro Miners drive down prices artificially thereby hurting industrialists. Ebayers create real world demand for in game products, thereby creating more corruption. Real world money is a damn good motivation to cheat. As for fighting against BOB. I've fought against BOB. They fight dirty and they fight well. Thats why they win, not because of a sabre bpo. I dislike them more than most. But I'm not gonna say that I lost specific engagements because of corrupt devs (or as i said before, singular dev) Muggers point out failures in one's personal security measures, but it does not alter the fact that they are muggers.
Isyel Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:53:00 - [114] Oh get over yourselves already. You're making this story WAY bigger than it really is. It's as if everyone suddenly wants eve to fail. Just stop with this idiocy already and start thinking like grown up people, if you can manage it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Originally by: Wrangler We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:07:00 - [115] Me? I'm not quitting. Neither are my other few accounts. I have to say, 'so what' in response to the stuff the OP's referring to. The only thing I'm having trouble with in EVE at the moment, is POS warfare. shrug hardly the be-all and end-all, so I'll keep playing. Because it's fun.
Illyria Ambri Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:15:00 - [116] Originally by: Phichi Y As for fighting against BOB. I've fought against BOB. They fight dirty and they fight well. Thats why they win, not because of a sabre bpo. I dislike them more than most. But I'm not gonna say that I lost specific engagements because of corrupt devs (or as i said before, singular dev) So far as I am aware T2 ammo BP's were handed out.. If you got shot with any of the ammo created using that.. then you got cheated. T2 ships get noticed.. Ammo dosen't unless you are the one shooting it. Do YOU care? Obviously not.. so be quiet and let the people that DO care discuss it. If you don't want to see anyone complaining or *****ing about the situation.. then stop reading the thread. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Happiness is a warm railgun
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:30:00 - [117] Originally by: Archemil Originally by: fire 59 Who give's a dam, ffs, get over it and act like an adult, unless your a kid ? From someone in BoB.Just amazing. Try your own advice on for size. Yeah, people in BoD arent allowed to speak... if I got away with murder I wouldnt write a book about it PERKOSET & OXYCODONE IS FUN!!! Lets see how long till this post lives...
Phichi Team Americas Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:30:00 - [118] Its in every thread now, threads that have absolutely nothing to do with this topic and it comes up over and over and over and over and over again. This is my only place to say stop the madness!!! The *****ing is everywhere. Anyways, you guys have fun with your outrage and despair... i'm gonna go play my game and have some fun now. Muggers point out failures in one's personal security measures, but it does not alter the fact that they are muggers.
Dynast Knights of Red Mars Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:43:00 - [119] Originally by: Phichi Its in every thread now, threads that have absolutely nothing to do with this topic and it comes up over and over and over and over and over again. This is my only place to say stop the madness!!! The *****ing is everywhere. Anyways, you guys have fun with your outrage and despair... i'm gonna go play my game and have some fun now. And if you find out that someone you're fighting was getting BPOs, scouting reports on PoSs, or other insider information from devs, you'll squeal like a stuck pig. But when someone else gets the ol' in-out in-out from the management, it's not your problem. The head-in-sand strategy may be popular around here, but it's not a terribly effective one. See: current U.S. Presidential administration. As to why this topic keeps getting brought up, it's because this topic is still active. The cheater is still employed by CCP. Now, I don't know about you, but I find my 'fun factor' rather sharply decreased when I suspect I'm playing a rigged game. And even moreso when it's been proven the game has been rigged, and that the cheaters are still helping run the game.
Jaabaa Minmatar Dental Drilling Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.17 01:15:00 - [120] Originally by: Wrangler I don't think it's possible to answer this question really. There hasn't been any form of mass cancellation, but as many has posted some people are undecided, and of course anyone using ETC's won't show up until they decide not to renew. The full effect of this, however big or small it will end up being, probably wont be seen for some time due to how you pay for EVE, everything else is just speculation. Wrangler, I've been playing since the gemini code base and enjoyed Armageddon day (so, yeah, a beta player). The issue regarding a CCP's employee's involvement has little to no impact on EVE's gameplay, one member's actions might infulence a small peice of the universe, but his actions can not change the course of EVE's history. But "events" where lag and player overload can kill a node repeatedly (6-7 times?) and a few hundred players can. The only thing, even after all this time, that would make me quit EVE is when an alliance can not defend it's resources with 500 logged on members. This became apparent in JV1V 2 days ago. It promised to be THE most major fight in EVE history, but ended up in a 2-3 hour (look at the) logon screen debacle. I have a month to go before I have to renew my membership. All I can say is this: CCP has to fix the servers, nodes, lag AND make alliance warfare possible, without resorting to the "under the belt" tactics of node crashing. If a n00b in a shuttle/pod, well, enough n00bs in shuttles and/or pods, can crash a node, repeatedly, then it is about time you guys woke up, smelled the roses and did something about it. This game is abso-bloody-*******-excellent ... Don't break it now. Thanks. -- Jaabaa - CEO - Dental Drilling Corporation

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