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Richard Aiel
Caldari
The Funkstars Guild
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.18 03:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Cadela Fria
You know just as well as I do that I never said that the T20 incident didn't happen...trying to spin what I said is uncool
You're just trying to discredit me without having a solid argument, but I'm sorry, I caught you doing it.
I'm all for facts..if facts come out that so and so happened, then thats what I'll go by.
Facts are as they are right now though, and that means what I've said so far, is true.
Please just try and realise that 
Trying to spin what?I replied to fredbob and you replied back with this:
" Like I said before..ya'll want this to be true, despite what you're being told by CCP themselves, and if thats the case..things are never going to change no matter what they do or say."
The thing is that CCP already acknowledged that there were some srew ups ,there is no lie ,T20 did benefit BoB (even if some of them didnt know) ,and they acted kicking him out but let the BPO there ,and after the drama boom hited them in the nose they are now damage controlling .
As you see i'am spinning things?
You're still doing it..I never ever said that the T20 incident didn't happen and you're still arguing like I did. 
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Its funny that you keeps getting accused of doing that....
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Richard Aiel
Caldari
The Funkstars Guild
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.18 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cadela Fria
CCP doesn't condone cheating, I'm 100% sure of that. 
When they catch people cheating and essentially do nothing to them, that is essentially condoning cheating.
They definately arent trying to stop people from doing it...
For instance the breaking a gate camp by crashing the node thing...
Originally, I had HEARD this was a major BoD tactic (or that they did it was the first time Id ever heard of it at all).
Now, Goonswarm are doing it too, as noone in BoD seemed to get in trouble when THEY did it so why shouldnt Goon do it?
Now CCP arent directly going out and saying, "This is how you break a gate camp..." but its not like theyre trying to stop it from happening either
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Richard Aiel
Caldari
The Funkstars Guild
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.18 04:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Cadela Fria
You know just as well as I do that I never said that the T20 incident didn't happen...trying to spin what I said is uncool
You're just trying to discredit me without having a solid argument, but I'm sorry, I caught you doing it.
I'm all for facts..if facts come out that so and so happened, then thats what I'll go by.
Facts are as they are right now though, and that means what I've said so far, is true.
Please just try and realise that
Trying to spin what?I replied to fredbob and you replied back with this:
" Like I said before..ya'll want this to be true, despite what you're being told by CCP themselves, and if thats the case..things are never going to change no matter what they do or say."
The thing is that CCP already acknowledged that there were some srew ups ,there is no lie ,T20 did benefit BoB (even if some of them didnt know) ,and they acted kicking him out but let the BPO there ,and after the drama boom hited them in the nose they are now damage controlling .
As you see i'am spinning things?
You're still doing it..I never ever said that the T20 incident didn't happen and you're still arguing like I did.
I said that ya'll are all wanting all other conspiracy theories and suspicions to be true, and thats what I called Factoid, because they are.
If you haven't noticed lately, people are all calling BoB, BoD (Band of Developers), calling CCP liars, cheaters and accusing them of hiding the truth. Abusing their playerbase and so on and so on.
Thats the factoids.
Because people really want these things to be true, they're not interested in the actual truth.
Well sorry if misinterpreted you or the other way around .
About people calling BOB ,BOV can you blame them?They feels cheated like i do about what happened.EVEN IF THEY ARENT AT FAULT HERE ,people need escape goats and BoB are just as good when they apparently exploit some known bugs.
Calling CCP liars can you blame them?The rage is still on everyone mouth because of the "recent events" .
I can't blame people for being angry, I can understand why they are.
I can however blame them for accusing innocent people of things they haven't done, because in that light, what they're doing is no better then what T20 did.
The reasoning in the olden days were "Guilty until proven innocent", however, the reasoning in modern days IS "Innocent until proven guilty".
I think in this case its more of a "Guilty by association"
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Arcticblue2
Gallente
Nordic Freelancers inc
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Posted - 2007.02.18 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/02/2007 17:52:07
My personal opinion is that nobody would quit Eve simply because of ccp's reactions to the event. If you love the game and enjoy playing it every day, of course you wont quit playing over something like this. You would be hurting yourself more than ccp. =)
But I think there is alot of people out there who is looking for a reason to quit because they are tired of the game, and now this event thingie made them want to go out with a bang. But they'll be back...
Well, think you got to change your personal opinion then, because if this incident and how CCP have handled it up to now had not happend, I would have paid and played this game to they closed the server.
Anyone that knows me, know I talk about this game all the time, I have recruited many of my friends to this game.
I did cancel my accounts because of recent incidents, they will stay canceled to CCP fix things right again.
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"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things."
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Buford Early
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Posted - 2007.02.18 09:53:00 -
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Haven't been playing much Eve since Revelations was launched, that was just one big disappointment to me.
Now with this CCP incident too - this game is FUBAR!
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hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.02.18 09:53:00 -
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many new subscribers there is, many left they have not, keep playing u must, great game eve is
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rig0r
Arcane Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: rig0r on 18/02/2007 10:59:23
hot girl you are
mate in the moonlight, we must
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Riddari
Gekidoku
Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.18 16:48:00 -
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-5 accounts here.
Mind you I did cancel them back in september/october, however I had foolishly paid for a year in advance.
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Orkki Clankisov
Gallente
The Eye of Horus
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Posted - 2007.02.18 16:54:00 -
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Morkus Rex
Eve Innovative Technologies
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Posted - 2007.02.22 11:29:00 -
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-1 account
Now with the latest dev blog for Revelations 2 .... I've had enough of EVE for a while
Time to go test VCO a little 
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Ctharth
M'8'S
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Posted - 2007.02.22 11:44:00 -
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I will not condone cheating and feel if no punishment have fallen it is wrong.
I aggree that ccp should have done more in some circumstances but for instance in the t20 case they already punished him and as the blog says you cant punish people twice. I dont say they gave the rigth punishmen, but on the other hand I dont know what the punishment where since this is personal information and not handed out.
Regarding who does what etc. I really dont care. I dont believe in guilty by association since we are all guilty then. We all play eve and therefore we are all scammers cheaters etc. until otherwise is proven. and as pointed out before this cant be done. and therefore we are all scammers at least to each others.
I know that bob has had one incident with a dev in the corp that cheated that doesnt mean that bob cheated!
A guy in D2 used outofgame information to weed out spies and broke local laws in germany that doesnt mean that all in D2 are RL criminals (yes this is guilty by association)
Goons have been nodecrashing since god knows when. But its the goonsquad.. they spam space and really. if you do nothing but fly around in great numbers its the server thats the problem. not the tactics. (if you use BMS in hold, several cyn fields etc. its another case.)
I think the GMs are doing everything in their power to keep eve fair and hand out the rigth punishments etc. But their personal information rules means we dont see half of it. That doesnt mean it doesnt take place. And If I dont know whats happening I can either choose to believe they are doing good or bad.
Dont be ignorrant
Dont think all your neigbours are killers just because the one living to the rigth is
and most of all... dont accuse ppl if you dont have documentation. (like the passivetargeter to shoot withing POS shield)
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Regaldenn
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Posted - 2007.02.22 14:08:00 -
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Having just re-subscribed after a lengthy break I was really enthused about all the new stuff I had read about on the forums and patch notes.
This enthusiasm overshadowed the reasons why I quit before. The main reasons then were the T2 Mining Laser Fiasco and the ensuing T2 BPO lottery.
My thoughts then were: Ok this is not looking too above board to me, but rather than get on the forums and shout I just quietly slipped away.
I think this aspect is overlooked by a shedload of people, the majority of people don`t make a fuss on a forum or whatever, they just take action.
Now once again, barely a month after re-subbing it`s the same kind of stuff flying about except this time there really does seem to be some fire with the smoke.
Couple this with the plethora of xytdsyxd, ghbdysh and jtrdfrhddr macro-mining in almost every system. Add the fact that it seems almost pointless recruiting into my Corp as theft/spying/scamming seems so rife and I have decided I made a mistake in re-subbing. Of course there are other factors such as having what appears to be increasingly pointless RnD characters and then there is the whole T2 BPO/BoB debate.
Two things I have seen on the forums sum up a lot for me.
The first was about you cannot have the referees playing for either side, the second was along the lines, the way the game is going you may as well just mine ISK direct to your cargohold and get rid of all othe other distractions like immersion.
So my 3 accounts finish next week but this time I thought I would add to the discusion as to why.
I doubt I will ever return as my faith in EVE ever having a level playing field has gone now. So yes, anyone can have my stuff.
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Jenavian Charto
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Posted - 2007.02.22 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Regaldenn
I doubt I will ever return as my faith in EVE ever having a level playing field has gone now. So yes, anyone can have my stuff.
Me me me me me!!! Please!!! Me!!! MEEEEEEEEEEEE!
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Amiable Quinn
Minmatar
Lasleinur Production
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Posted - 2007.02.22 14:56:00 -
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I cancelled my subscription (ends tommorrow so this will most likely be my last post) due to the cheating issue and, more importantly, the Dev response.
To be honest I really don't care how many folks quit or do not quit, all that matters to me is that I personally do not want to be in game anymore. I wish EvE every success and I hope they get a million subscribers, but this whole affair has left a bad taste in my mouth and I choose to not be one of them. Time to get re-acquainted with some single player games until Warhammer comes out. Dawn of War has been some nice brainless fun.
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Sharcy
Sonnema
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Posted - 2007.02.22 15:07:00 -
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I've never fully understood the term "emo" until I came to this thread... 
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Richard Aiel
Caldari
The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.02.22 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sharcy
I've never fully understood the term "emo" until I came to this thread...
Emo means unhaoppy customer?
*looks around the restaurant then look at his mate* "I wouldnt be greatly surprised if a little band came in and started playing *hums the Star Wars Cantina theme*" |
Athren Soulsteal
Gallente
Intergalaxy Salvage And Repair
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Posted - 2007.02.22 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: Athren Soulsteal on 22/02/2007 19:00:37
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Eve online is bar-none the best mmorpg. What happened is a small flaw when you compare it to the beauty of it: It simulates real life politics in an exceptionally good way.
If you are asking a question that ccp can't and won't answer, then you obviously are still not "over it". People cancel their subscriptions because of a million different reasons. You know this, I know this, everyone knows this. How, tell me, is ccp supposed to know whether a person cancelled his/her account because of this issue? (And btw, if someone bothers to write up to ccp why they've quit, they'll be coming back in a month)
Even if we were told, unless your given an exit poll to say why you cancelled. A lot could be down to nothing more than the usual moving on or taking a break. Certaintly if people are 'not logging on' en masse to protest, the number is marginal/unnoticable in the server stats.
So whats the point of quitting if your just gonna re-sub later?
To all of these quotes, you obviously have not canceled before. When you cancel you do take an exit pole asking why. Why cancel only to re-sub later, itÆs called voting with your feet. If you have a problem with a service (EVE is a service we pay for) the best way to send the message is to cancel your account and tell the service provider why you are canceling.
It has bean dealt with anyways, the best thing is it won't happen again, and if these things were EVER more then just temporary then maybe people would cancel for that exact reason. Any one who cancels mostly needs a brake anyways, no big deal either
See thatÆs the problem that the new players (1 year or less) donÆt seem to understand, this in now new but a continuation or almost a SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) for CCP that has been going on since EVE went gold. Several old timers like my self have canceled out of protest several times; the last time I canceled was out of protest about CCP lying to us that reverse engineering was going to be finely enabled in game. No not the current kali lie but the time before in early 2005.
I don't think it's possible to answer this question really. There hasn't been any form of mass cancellation, but as many has posted some people are undecided, and of course anyone using ETC's won't show up until they decide not to renew. The full effect of this, however big or small it will end up being, probably wont be seen for some time due to how you pay for EVE, everything else is just speculation.
Wrangler
Assistant Community Manager
EVE Online
One thing to keep in mind is that you can not go by log in counts; I canceled 3 accounts (3rd cancellation in as many years) after Rev went live out of protest because yet again we were lied to about reverse engineering being in the game. How ever since I prepay I logged on and still played all of the accounts until they ended in Jan. I did reactivate this account in Jan as I needed to help my main setup and run a high sec POS to check out Invention and rigs.
You can reactivate any time so canceling in not just saying you are leaving the game but that you are unpleased with the service and are giving CCP a chance to improve. And here is where the real problem is, the only way to send a message that you are unhappy is to cancel. This does not mean that you hate the game; in fact itÆs just the opposite. Most people that are voting with there feet are canceling because they love EVE but see a major problem that needs to be addressed or because we canÆt hit any of the devs with a rolled up news paper and shot ôNo - Badö all we can do is Cancel and on the questioner enter the reason we are displeased.
In any case you will not see any server number drop for at least 2-6 more weeks as those that are taking a break subscriptions end. Oh one interesting point. The test server has been seeing record numbers lately, could it be because if you cancel EVE after feb 1 you will not be able log on to TQ until you
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