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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Sith Incorrect .. one of the patches changed the non-aggro logoff to 30 seconds .. have one of your buddies logoff and see how long they sit in space before they disappear if you don't believe me :)
I think you're wrong, but if you're correct then that only makes the titan kill look less legitimate.
Signature quote removed - It was too much for my little virgin eyes. Jacques([email protected]) |
Grainsalt
Free Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:46:00 -
[572]
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Grainsalt
I think Shrike saying DigitalCommunist's Plan worked kinda blows it out of the water.
Not really. Thats actually pretty silly logic when you think about it, unless of course you happen to be privy to exactly what that plan was.
Your simply assuming that the plan was to shoot a wreck and keep the pilot aggro'd. Thats really it nothing more then an assumption, for all we know the plan was to pay a D2 member the shoot/smartbomb the titan when he was close enough.
I think we all need to stop foaming at the mouth here when ever BOB does something. I'll be the first to admit that I havn't the slightest clue as to what happened, other then a titan died today. Niether does anyone else posting in this thread as a matter of fact.
Sorry, should have probably made myself more clear. I don't think they did wrecks necessarily, but unless there has been some other way of "Agressing" someone without them being aware of it it still comes across as a way of "bending" mechanics. However, as I have never flown a titan I probably don't know.
However, I really hope D2 get the titan back so it can be killed properly, as I am sure D2 (AND BOB) would want. Another Cyvok kill makes me feal sad. ---
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largoo
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:49:00 -
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which explication about that ?
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Neako
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: artemis doom WOKATANK got the titan back?
of course he will get it back as bob apparently used a wrecksploit to aggro him after he just had logged off.
the lame people just got even more lame and once again they have been found cheating and exploiting.
D2 claims the titan sat in a pos for 3 hours doing nothing until it went into another system. Wrecks only last for a MAXIMUM of 2 hours. So how exactly would they do a wreck sploit?
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Pika Chu
Caldari Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:50:00 -
[575]
Originally by: largoo which explication about that ?
video sheat, bob
How many times you gonna post that, considering as irrelevant as it is to this discussion? |
Kraca
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Sith This also begs the question;
Originally by: Darth Sith That begs the other questions ..
Normally I'd let this go, but dude, twice in one post? It doesn't mean what you think it means.
If you are in a formal debate with someone about a factual issue, and they put forth an argument that depends on the factual issue under discussion, please do use this phrase. I'll smile.
If, however, you are looking for a clever way to say "it makes me wonder" or "we should be asking about", stay away.
We are always fighting an uphill battle to have our opinions considered and accepted by other people; why should you give them such easy reasons to discard you and your words as ignorant?
With that out of the way, I think that CCP should probably have a big meeting and reconsider letting employees play. If the forums are to be believed, the appearance of misconduct can be worse than actual misconduct, and the potential for misconduct is (amazingly) even worse than that.
I'm estimating about 750 posts regarding the defunct D2 titan so far, and we still know nothing. As far as I can tell, no one who was involved in the incident, or even in the system when it happened has accused anyone of wrongdoing, and yet the mob has decided that BoB used the wreck exploit AND that a developer (owned by BoB, naturally) did "something" wrong.
Is anyone at all interested in finding out what really happened before throwing wild accusations around?
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Sathrai
No Quarter. C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Neako
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: artemis doom WOKATANK got the titan back?
of course he will get it back as bob apparently used a wrecksploit to aggro him after he just had logged off.
the lame people just got even more lame and once again they have been found cheating and exploiting.
D2 claims the titan sat in a pos for 3 hours doing nothing until it went into another system. Wrecks only last for a MAXIMUM of 2 hours. So how exactly would they do a wreck sploit?
As has been said repeatedly in this thread, it is apparently possible to keep wrecks alive...indefinitely, in theory.
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Troubadour
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Gregarius IMHO: The player community needs a clear statement from CCP stating that it was a clear and fair fight and nothing fishy has happend. By supplying data and log of all events and parties involved and a clear indication of the used game-mechanics that made this happen would clear all the smoke and fog around this event.
Why? You'll just say CCP is lying and and they are still conspiring with BoB to rule eve. It's not CCP's job to convince you of every kill. If it's something that can be reimbursed, it will be. But it seems like a simple case of someone forgetting a simple rule, wait 15 minutes before you log after being aggroed, or you will be in space still. Whoops. Doesn't matter if it's a Megathron or Erebus, THE SAME RULE APPLIES.
quit whining.
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Shirei
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Troubadour
Why? You'll just say CCP is lying and and they are still conspiring with BoB to rule eve. It's not CCP's job to convince you of every kill. If it's something that can be reimbursed, it will be. But it seems like a simple case of someone forgetting a simple rule, wait 15 minutes before you log after being aggroed, or you will be in space still. Whoops. Doesn't matter if it's a Megathron or Erebus, THE SAME RULE APPLIES.
quit whining.
All CCP would need to do is say where the aggro came from.
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Fornacis
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:55:00 -
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How did it happen? The ol' aggro wrecks and probe ship exploit?
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DiuxDium
Casting Shadows
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:56:00 -
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To summarize this thread.
OMG BOB HAXSPLOTS
In the words of the eternal mother.
Cry more Noobs.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Grainsalt
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Grainsalt
I think Shrike saying DigitalCommunist's Plan worked kinda blows it out of the water.
Not really. Thats actually pretty silly logic when you think about it, unless of course you happen to be privy to exactly what that plan was.
Your simply assuming that the plan was to shoot a wreck and keep the pilot aggro'd. Thats really it nothing more then an assumption, for all we know the plan was to pay a D2 member the shoot/smartbomb the titan when he was close enough.
I think we all need to stop foaming at the mouth here when ever BOB does something. I'll be the first to admit that I havn't the slightest clue as to what happened, other then a titan died today. Niether does anyone else posting in this thread as a matter of fact.
Sorry, should have probably made myself more clear. I don't think they did wrecks necessarily, but unless there has been some other way of "Agressing" someone without them being aware of it it still comes across as a way of "bending" mechanics. However, as I have never flown a titan I probably don't know.
However, I really hope D2 get the titan back so it can be killed properly, as I am sure D2 (AND BOB) would want. Another Cyvok kill makes me feal sad.
Now I have always heard, though it might be incorrect, the wrecks exploit only works if its an NPC wreck. Which means that the titan pilot would have had to have killed an NPC. However, to my knowledge, the doomsday was fired around a POS, which of course don't have NPC's, and as such can not create an NPC wreck to be exploited.
Now I could be wrong about that, fact of the matter is I don't know, and niether do any of the posters in this thread, they are only speculating, same as me. There's also a large numbers of ways in which the titan could have been aggro'd with out hax'rsploits. Some D2 muppet with a smartbomb, for example, and unless your looking at your game loggs uber closely, your not going to notice such a small hit.
Heck it could have been simply a buggy aggro timer. If this is the case I can't blame BOB for warping in and killing it, since anyone of us would have done the same not knowing why it was still in space, only that it was there.
Or of course, some muppet could have been target painting a can. Fact is we don't know, no one really does, and all the stuff that has been posted and the accusations thrown around are nothing more then pure speculation at this point in time.
I personally havn't the slightest clue as to what happened. And am sitting on the fence untill I do, not supporting either side, something maybe we should all do untill we have more info.
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Nymos
Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Mistress Suffering I'd like some details from thos who actually know the facts, but the story that seems to be trickling forth sounds like:
1. Titan sat in POS for a long time to deaggro. 2. BoB used a (hello, pay attention here) known bug to keep it aggro'd. 3. Titan pilot eventually leaves for RL. 4. Empty Titan emergency warps out of the POS but sits in space for 15 mins thanks to buggy aggro timer. 5. BoB, waiting for this, hops in and blows it up.
So they're exploiting a known bug and the GM congratulates them for it rather than spanking them and getting the bug fixed? Why is that exactly?
QFT.
shooting cans to keep agro up is surely abusing a bug. i'm not sure if it is officially a bug, but it can't be intended either. petition it and get ccp to declare it a bug, then it probably qualifies for reimbursement. what, titans don't qualify for this, someone might say? why not? if it's a bug it's not your fault you died. heck, you get ships reimbursed just because you say "omg my client crashed".
i'm not a master tinfoil hatter and i couldn't care less what the "superpowers" in eve are doing because i do my own thing, but if this is the truth what mistress suffering said then wtf has eve become? a competition of who got the better understanding of bugs and bad game mechanics? very questionable even though a kill is a kill is a kill, but ccp should still look into this. --
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Kurtz Weber
Minmatar Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Shirei
All CCP would need to do is say where the aggro came from.
If it's a tactic within game mechanics which was used, why would CCP interfere and give info to you bunch?
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Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kreul Intentions From this post going forward if you forget the alt rules that apply to this forum, you'll receive an email reminding you of them. Should you continue to troll using BoD/BoC/CCP/GM/DevHacks you will also be reminded that those types of posts will not be tolerated.
Thank you.
Kreul -
The player base is truely upset at what has happened. When a cheat accures in a game you pay for it becomes a huge deal. This is how upset people are at what has gone down. This is how upset they will be if it happens again. Yes, it has ruined the face of an entire alliance. I'm not out to get any warning ect ect, but goodness sakes...we are important as customers right? and the customers are extremely unhappy. Eve will survive this...the game is way to loved to die. The eve community might lose a few, but not alot of the player base if any at all. I know CCP adores their creation just like we the players do. Just stop the stuff from happening period. At least the most epic war time in eve history is resulting from it.
Ask yourself...what happens when a player is caught cheating in a poker game...you bet...they never play it again with those folks...ever. Its a nasty way to win...and how many times has the story behind the alliaces been effected to unrealistic results from cheats. Understand the customer, see where we are comming from please...The name calling is in fact wrong to do, and you are right to warn, but for some it is the only way folks are getting any satisfaction out of their dollars spent to play, because up to now there is no resolve from CCP, just post on how you want to stop it, lacking all details, in vague responses to the community..
We love this game...we want it online for years...doesn't this matter? Just commenting from a long time customer that wants it fair. I pray this post is taken with care and does not offend anyone that works hard to keep us online, because it is only to tell you where we the customer are comming from and we want to love this game in fair terms.
Love you CCP...fix-er up please...
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Phelan Lore
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:59:00 -
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There's something fishy going on with agro timers. We had several pilots unable to log out and dissapear from space in JV1V about a week ago. A GM even confirmed that one of our pilots stayed in space for longer than 2 minutes with no agro timer. -
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Relyen
Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:59:00 -
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I think it's best to wait for an official post from BoB or D2 detailing the situation before jumping to conclusions based off posts made from people not in either of the alliances and acting off heresay.
Either way, Congratz BoB, awesome kill.
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ExpNinja
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:02:00 -
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wonder if this titan is brought back, will cyvok's?
cyvok commanded the biggest alliance in eve and secretly built the titan.. i would think he knew about the aggro timer.
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JoDirt
Minmatar Tides of Silence SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:04:00 -
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Fishy
Grats CCP --------------------------------
Quote: Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely...
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dabster
Minmatar Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: ExpNinja wonder if this titan is brought back, will cyvok's?
cyvok commanded the biggest alliance in eve and secretly built the titan.. i would think he knew about the aggro timer.
He knew, his loss was because he was unable to log back in. ___________________________ Trust In Rust!
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Takita Yukida
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:04:00 -
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hmm a feasable solution to aggro the titan without shady things would be to smartbomb it. it is big, surely some part of it will be close enough to the perimiter of the POS bubble to reach with a fast inty, or cruiser equipped with a smartbomb. The titan pilot having disabled all effects and not being targetted would not even see it unless checking his logs Logging off after that might not have been the smartest thing.
With a spy telling you he's about to log, some fast ship under the POS guns smartbombing it and the fleet and probe ship standing by this sounds like a cunning plan to get a titan kill
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Pika Chu
Caldari Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Bloodstone
Originally by: Kreul Intentions From this post going forward if you forget the alt rules that apply to this forum, you'll receive an email reminding you of them. Should you continue to troll using BoD/BoC/CCP/GM/DevHacks you will also be reminded that those types of posts will not be tolerated.
Thank you.
Kreul - ... rabble rabble ..
Ok, so you have an issue with the way stuff happened, why do you have to call people names in your post, or cry haxsploit at everything that happens from here on out?
You have an issue with something that has happened, great grand and wonderfull, but trolling is trolling regardless.
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Saladin
Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:06:00 -
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I just don't get why the CCP employee did not just log in and discreetly bm the wreck. Why does he have to be visible and write in local. In the current atmosphere CCP employees need to strive to take the attention away from themselves. ----
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Slab Drinklots
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: PCX339
Titans leave lots of wrecks....
The other team just has to loot or shoot a wreck every 14 minutes to keep the titan aggro timer going indefinitely.
You basically have to get a titan back to safe space to log out... which can be hard if there is a big response from the other side and they know their cyno logistics.
I hope bob gets what's coming to them, but they DO know how to play the game.
If thats true then it should be classified as a bug. How the hell is the Titan pilot supposed to log off safely if the enemy can keep his aggro timer going? Does this apply to normal pilots as well?
Regards
/Doxs
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c0rn1
Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:07:00 -
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It's funny that whenever bob kills a big e-peen people cry out load for cheater! exploit! hax! When a coalition jumps with 1000 into a system knowing they will crash the node, it's a valid tactic.
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Darken Two
Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kurtz Weber
Originally by: Shirei
All CCP would need to do is say where the aggro came from.
If it's a tactic within game mechanics which was used, why would CCP interfere and give info to you bunch?
Because they are paying customers and if BoB can get free BPOs, the least they can ask for is an answer.
Your speech implies that you think everyone playing this game are somehow indebted to CCP. In fact, its the other way round. We are the customers and it is their job to keep us happy. Thats what they take money for. And considering they have already betrayed our trust with their shady behavior with regard to BoB, the burden of proof lies with them, when it comes to allegation regarding BoB and how they seem to be freakishly lucky with certain things.
Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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Svabbzor
The Kru
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:08:00 -
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GJ bob :P
Allways funny to see grown up people cry about a internet space game ^^
/waiting for molle to post
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merketbeehatch
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:09:00 -
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ERHMM
is it only me or is this thing about agro due to exploiting the wreck thing a bit retarded..
Think about it ppl there only 2 ways to get a wreck that belongs to u.
1.Die - if he where allready dead no reason to exploit to agro him again ;) 2. shoot npc - now ok this is posibel and he is german but come on Do u really think he would go like and doomsday a npc spawn??
i find all these exploit yelling ppl funny.
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Saladin I just don't get why the CCP employee did not just log in and discreetly bm the wreck. Why does he have to be visible and write in local. In the current atmosphere CCP employees need to strive to take the attention away from themselves.
If a dev were to login and bookmark the wreck, and then fly away and not say anything about what he was doing, it would be ammo for all those who are with D2. Like the GM running around and scanning all of GS's Towers or whatever right before BoB declared war.
If that GM would have said what he was doing, instead of doing it secretly maybe there wouldn't have been such a commotion over it.
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Sathrai
No Quarter. C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: merketbeehatch 2. shoot npc - now ok this is posibel and he is german but come on Do u really think he would go like and doomsday a npc spawn??
i find all these exploit yelling ppl funny.
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