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Brigitte	Posted - 2007.02.17 09:32:00 - [811] lol stavros... ebay?
Juliter Minmatar Princeps Corp	Posted - 2007.02.17 09:54:00 - [812] please, dont give titants to carebears grats BoB u killed the first and the second.
Puppe 1	Posted - 2007.02.17 10:18:00 - [813] YES BOB you killed our Titan. And BOB think our moral is bad now. No but thx for this now our moral is better than before and we are now more like to kill from you. BOB? there is no BOBO in EVE
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.17 10:21:00 - [814] I'm not going to comment on the lameness or otherwise of the tactics involved or the use of spies in a game with no in game way to counter it. But this was jaw-dropping in its inventivness. This is the closest EVE can come to the age old practice of assassinating an enemy leader. I LOVE this game .. it never ever ceases to amaze me. Myn
Alakazam Bob The Builder Breidablik	Posted - 2007.02.17 10:27:00 - [815] I mostly hold BoB in high regard, always a formidable enemy! Excellent fighting skills, amazingly clever people helping develop this game (no pun intended); But this titan loss personally makes me sad. Is this how we're supposed to fight? It's different than the first titan kill. Surely this is not how the aggro timer was intended to work: In my opinion it was to avoid people to log off during combat, not to use it to make people stay online after they log off... In my opinion this was exploiting of how the PvP aggression timer was implemented.
Local pusher	Posted - 2007.02.17 10:36:00 - [816] I'm afraid now... did i do something wrong because I webbed my freighter so it could warp faster. I'm sure webs weren't put ingame to make people warp faster.
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.17 10:44:00 - [817] So people are complaining that BoB used game mechanics to get a kill? Ever had a covert ops hunt down an aggrod pilot for you to warp and kill? It's the same mechanic. This could have been avoided by just leaving gang, warping to a personal safe, cloaking and 15 mins later logging off. Not really a hard procedure to follow. As for BoB cheating and all other alliances against them being holy then how about goons and their local portrait client side exploit before revelations, AAA and shooting NPC wrecks to get aggro, RA and the carrier bug to refuel POS's, logonski, logoffski etc etc In fact as for spies our own forums have a spy on them as we had an internal picture of one of Sels post on the forums a couple of days ago. So lets just drop the hypocrisy shall we? The D2 pilot didn't take measures to cover against spies and bob were set up to take him down that way, simple as that, no cheating or hax involved. Sorry for your loss but that's how it is sometimes. Anyway have good fights and lots of fun everyone in the weeks to come, this surely is an epic conflict and one I thought we were going to sit out until we got invaded.
hybridundertaker Amarr Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.02.17 10:54:00 - [818] Originally by: Hans Roaming So people are complaining that BoB used game mechanics to get a kill? Ever had a covert ops hunt down an aggrod pilot for you to warp and kill? It's the same mechanic. This could have been avoided by just leaving gang, warping to a personal safe, cloaking and 15 mins later logging off. Not really a hard procedure to follow. As for BoB cheating and all other alliances against them being holy then how about goons and their local portrait client side exploit before revelations, AAA and shooting NPC wrecks to get aggro, RA and the carrier bug to refuel POS's, logonski, logoffski etc etc In fact as for spies our own forums have a spy on them as we had an internal picture of one of Sels post on the forums a couple of days ago. So lets just drop the hypocrisy shall we? The D2 pilot didn't take measures to cover against spies and bob were set up to take him down that way, simple as that, no cheating or hax involved. Sorry for your loss but that's how it is sometimes. Anyway have good fights and lots of fun everyone in the weeks to come, this surely is an epic conflict and one I thought we were going to sit out until we got invaded. at this point i cant but agree with my former president...
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 10:59:00 - [819] Originally by: Hans Roaming So people are complaining that BoB used game mechanics to get a kill? Ever had a covert ops hunt down an aggrod pilot for you to warp and kill? It's the same mechanic. No it's not the same mechanics. Because it's another story when a hostile cov ops is going after a ship. This time is about a friendly one that are in the same corp / alliance that aggroed the titan pilot when he didn't know that, or some few secs before he logged off, so BoC could kill the Titan while the pilot was logged off. It's something different to scan down a hostile ship in a safespot since he's sitting there when he's logged on, and then he can be probed. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:03:00 - [820] 1) stop posting with alts you all look like your hiding somthing 2) the fact that people are so determined to place spys in other alliances is unbelievably childish. - its a game ffs! 3) if BoB wants to rant about D2 losing their titan after boasting over extended periods... perhaps they should try and kill a titan that is online for once!
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:04:00 - [821] Edited by: Roemy Schneider on 17/02/2007 11:01:29 so... after all this cheesy gameplay, what's left for me, the average joe? all ambition to join in on large (expensive) events such as huge fleets/titans/outposts/whatnot is lost when grey zone game play screw over months of labor. these days, pvp seems to be about IPs obtained from TS and/or forums, spys and traitors have become essential, holes in game mechanics are being stretched etcpp. somewhere down the line there's some killing... yay
Edde Bebbi Amarr The Griffin	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:06:00 - [822] Originally by: Roemy Schneider Edited by: Roemy Schneider on 17/02/2007 11:01:29 so... after all this cheesy gameplay, what's left for me, the average joe? all ambition to join in on large (expensive) events such as huge fleets/titans/outposts/whatnot is lost when grey zone game play screw over months of labor. these days, pvp seems to be about IPs obtained from TS and/or forums, spys and traitors have become essential, holes in game mechanics are being stretched etcpp. somewhere down the line there's some killing... yay This is no more or less true about either side
Guardian Angell Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:14:00 - [823] Originally by: Hans Roaming So people are complaining that BoB used game mechanics to get a kill? Ever had a covert ops hunt down an aggrod pilot for you to warp and kill? It's the same mechanic. This could have been avoided by just leaving gang, warping to a personal safe, cloaking and 15 mins later logging off. Not really a hard procedure to follow. As for BoB cheating and all other alliances against them being holy then how about goons and their local portrait client side exploit before revelations, AAA and shooting NPC wrecks to get aggro, RA and the carrier bug to refuel POS's, logonski, logoffski etc etc In fact as for spies our own forums have a spy on them as we had an internal picture of one of Sels post on the forums a couple of days ago. So lets just drop the hypocrisy shall we? The D2 pilot didn't take measures to cover against spies and bob were set up to take him down that way, simple as that, no cheating or hax involved. Sorry for your loss but that's how it is sometimes. Anyway have good fights and lots of fun everyone in the weeks to come, this surely is an epic conflict and one I thought we were going to sit out until we got invaded. WOOT, I'm sure that when I'll get a Titan I'll use one of the high slots to install a cloaking device ________________ Assumption is the mother of all ****-ups - Under Siege 2
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:16:00 - [824] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Hans Roaming So people are complaining that BoB used game mechanics to get a kill? Ever had a covert ops hunt down an aggrod pilot for you to warp and kill? It's the same mechanic. No it's not the same mechanics. Because it's another story when a hostile cov ops is going after a ship. This time is about a friendly one that are in the same corp / alliance that aggroed the titan pilot when he didn't know that, or some few secs before he logged off, so BoC could kill the Titan while the pilot was logged off. It's something different to scan down a hostile ship in a safespot since he's sitting there when he's logged on, and then he can be probed. Now if I remember you yourself have experienced that one can be shot by corp mates. Aggro is aggro as you are not immune from taking damage whilst in the same corp as your faction NPCing BS found out whilst in LV. The titan pilot could have known if he didn't turn of damage messages or he could have followed the procedure I had in my other post and been immune from this attack. Now if CA had used the same tactic against an LV Titan would you be protesting as loud?
Kanthras	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:28:00 - [825] Nice kill BoB. At least you didn't jump in a 1000 man fleet. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
TechnoMag Minmatar Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.17 12:47:00 - [826] nice kill bob and legit kill otherwise. About spy tactic i see lots of people blaiming that when they already use this tactic againts others. I saw lots of time our enemy's shoting the primary secondary target caller for example, and those target callers was designed few minutes before the fight to start and they didnt choosed from leaders. D2 titan kill was legit... titan out from pos... covert ops with smartbomb agro him...he logged with agro he was ambushed end of story. Titan its an expensive ship and u must been very careful when u log off. The best thing its to jump in a POS inside shields and log off after 15min. Bringing 1000+ people to deliberatly lag the system and crash the nodes can be named exploit too in this case when we talking about game mechanics and game engine. But LV pass already over this and will continue to fight even in these conditions. We lost 13 dreads due in same conditions with login trap masively and no one says it was fair. Dont tell me swarm tactics are much fair than using spy tactics or using agro timer tactics when everyone know eve-server can hardly sustain at most 100 vs 100 fight.
Sigmorhair Gallente Eisenmetal	Posted - 2007.02.17 12:52:00 - [827] Originally by: Great Guardian Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Great Guardian Edited by: Great Guardian on 17/02/2007 08:33:07 Originally by: Edde Bebbi Originally by: Great Guardian Edited by: Great Guardian on 17/02/2007 08:20:58 Clear exploit. I have no doubts how BoD... I mean CCP will handle this. Yep this is where I am at as well. I cancelled but was considering resubbing my accounts when after the final investigation and the appointment of a IA GM. Sadly it appears that CCP is simply not serious about fixing their problems - and therefore deserve no money from me ever again. reposting the same thing with 10 different noob corp alts makes it no more true. Everything that happened is intended game mechanics. This is my main... Playing EVE for almost 2 years... Ok then: Its not an exploit because PvP timer is an intended mechanic of the game. It may be cheap, it may be cowardly (although I do not think so), but it is not an exploit: Eve mechanics functioned EXACTLY as intended. I disagree with you. Could you allow that? Anyway after BoD scandal I cancelled my account. This game is going down fast with this entire thing happening. If this TITAN kill was really INTENDED game mechanics, then after JULY I will never look back.
Sigmorhair Gallente Eisenmetal	Posted - 2007.02.17 12:54:00 - [828] Originally by: Hans Roaming So people are complaining that BoB used game mechanics to get a kill? Ever had a covert ops hunt down an aggrod pilot for you to warp and kill? It's the same mechanic. This could have been avoided by just leaving gang, warping to a personal safe, cloaking and 15 mins later logging off. Not really a hard procedure to follow. As for BoB cheating and all other alliances against them being holy then how about goons and their local portrait client side exploit before revelations, AAA and shooting NPC wrecks to get aggro, RA and the carrier bug to refuel POS's, logonski, logoffski etc etc In fact as for spies our own forums have a spy on them as we had an internal picture of one of Sels post on the forums a couple of days ago. So lets just drop the hypocrisy shall we? The D2 pilot didn't take measures to cover against spies and bob were set up to take him down that way, simple as that, no cheating or hax involved. Sorry for your loss but that's how it is sometimes. Anyway have good fights and lots of fun everyone in the weeks to come, this surely is an epic conflict and one I thought we were going to sit out until we got invaded. This post shows why MC is viewed by in large as Scumbag band of cheater alts and cheaters themselves. It is obvious to everyone, including the cheating Bomb and MC and various Bob slave corp members that this is an unintentional exploit of game mechanics - yet we continue to hear excuses and nothing from CCP. I wonder how white wolf feels about this disgusting behavior.
Shaala Caldari Singularity Services	Posted - 2007.02.17 12:56:00 - [829] During normal gameplay the design of game mechanics worked like it should. Anyone involved in an engagement of any kind, will get flagged so he cannot flee the engagement. During normal gameplay noone would ever use a spy or a gangmate to provide a player with a logofftimer with the only purpose of killing him later. Even if his whole corp would turn against him and beginn shooting him would be legitimate. The damage made by a micro smartbomb on shields is not seeable. Game does not logg anything on damage if you turn ingame damagemessages off. The only chance to realize being aggroed would be the cloaked! agressor blinking red ingame or in the overview. Thus there is ZERO possibility of checking loggoff timer existance at all... lame D2, their Titan fled a legitimate fight against a covert ops by logging off and was snooped for getting finished off ^^ Why do people believe that the word "exploit" has anything to do with the word "bug" at all? A flaw in game mechanics design is no coding error. That doesn¦t automaticaly make it legitimate as clearly written in the #14 of the rules.
Boliknar The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:15:00 - [830] Originally by: Sigmorhair Originally by: Hans Roaming This post shows why MC is viewed by in large as Scumbag band of cheater alts and cheaters themselves. It is obvious to everyone, including the cheating Bomb and MC and various Bob slave corp members that this is an unintentional exploit of game mechanics - yet we continue to hear excuses and nothing from CCP. I wonder how white wolf feels about this disgusting behavior. I for one hope they rethinking the merger as CCP has shown no desire to give its loyal paying customer base (which is one of the stated reasons for the merger) any modicum of customer service.
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:32:00 - [831] Originally by: Sigmorhair Originally by: Hans Roaming So people are complaining that BoB used game mechanics to get a kill? Ever had a covert ops hunt down an aggrod pilot for you to warp and kill? It's the same mechanic. This could have been avoided by just leaving gang, warping to a personal safe, cloaking and 15 mins later logging off. Not really a hard procedure to follow. As for BoB cheating and all other alliances against them being holy then how about goons and their local portrait client side exploit before revelations, AAA and shooting NPC wrecks to get aggro, RA and the carrier bug to refuel POS's, logonski, logoffski etc etc In fact as for spies our own forums have a spy on them as we had an internal picture of one of Sels post on the forums a couple of days ago. So lets just drop the hypocrisy shall we? The D2 pilot didn't take measures to cover against spies and bob were set up to take him down that way, simple as that, no cheating or hax involved. Sorry for your loss but that's how it is sometimes. Anyway have good fights and lots of fun everyone in the weeks to come, this surely is an epic conflict and one I thought we were going to sit out until we got invaded. This post shows why MC is viewed by in large as Scumbag band of cheater alts and cheaters themselves. It is obvious to everyone, including the cheating Bomb and MC and various Bob slave corp members that this is an unintentional exploit of game mechanics - yet we continue to hear excuses and nothing from CCP. I wonder how white wolf feels about this disgusting behavior. Interesting employment history you have there. How do you feel about a goon member posting an internal MC forum post on the eve-o boards?
Noel Edmonds Deal or No Deal	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:44:00 - [832] I find this argument about the titan kill possibly being an exploit absolutely and utterly pathetic. Underhand tactics are used every day in this game by most alliances and to suggest this kill was somehow against the EULA is just sour grapes. It is a huge loss for D2 no doubt about that at all but it manifested from a MISTAKE by the titan pilot, nothing more.
spoon2 Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:58:00 - [833] Edited by: spoon2 on 17/02/2007 14:02:23
Fitz Regal Invictus Unbowed	Posted - 2007.02.17 14:09:00 - [834] Seriously what is the point of these posts? Bob fanbois kiss ass (and boy do they, I have never witnessed such amazing sycophancy before anywhere) and bob haters post hate and everyone just becomes more entrenched, bitter and unpleasant as a result. Actually, nvm, please carry on.
aethyl Minmatar Dawnwalkers	Posted - 2007.02.17 14:14:00 - [835] Most games have a way to logoff so you know you're really logged off. Eve should have this as well. Only change they need is when you try it, it says you can't log now your agressed otherwise you just preceed as normal.
TechnoMag Minmatar Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.17 15:55:00 - [836] Originally by: aethyl Most games have a way to logoff so you know you're really logged off. Eve should have this as well. Only change they need is when you try it, it says you can't log now your agressed otherwise you just preceed as normal. good point ... i lost few days ago an iteron like that...i was agro at the gate safespoted and forgot about agro timer ... Eve-client should advertize u when u try to log off.... or instead ctrl+q to have a buton log-off. Until than its a legit titan kill and probably was the most valuable spy from the history until now. This must to be a feature ASAP for the next patches. Let be honest every alliance have spy's infiltrated and they r used in many forms. Its another mod to fight and won a battle or a war.

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