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Stavros
Amarr DEFINITELY NOT m0o
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:09:00 -
[1]
[18:04] <@TWD> D2 Titan Down.
Confirm or deny please? --
"DANCE DANCE" |
Admiral Feelgood
Even-Flow
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:10:00 -
[2]
Originally by: Stavros [18:04] <@TWD> D2 Titan Down.
Confirm or deny please?
I'm hearing he pulled a CYVOK.
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Evil D4rk
Shihan.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:10:00 -
[3]
confirmed!
This is my new main. |
Shard O'connor
Minmatar Avalon Construction Technologies
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:10:00 -
[4]
Oh yeah baby !!! Indeed
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Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:10:00 -
[5]
confirmed, absolutely brilliant.
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Static Ga'lraith
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:10:00 -
[6]
Epic thread. ----------------
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Elentari
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:10:00 -
[7]
Sorry to hear, D2. :)
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ZaKma
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:10:00 -
[8]
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Jake Noble
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:10:00 -
[9]
gg bob
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Fantome
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:10:00 -
[10]
how comes ?
Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum. |
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:10:00 -
[11]
Confirmed
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:10:00 -
[12]
Just wow.
"But here is the smell of the blood still and all the perfumes of Khanid will not sweeten this little rose" |
Velsharoon
Gallente The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:10:00 -
[13]
woot woot
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Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:10:00 -
[14]
podded too.
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Velios
M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:10:00 -
[15]
M.Corp BPC Packages |
Sun Ra
Godspeed You Black Emperor
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:11:00 -
[16]
dammit i wanted to be first, u lot are to fast
Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas' |
THEDON1
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:11:00 -
[17]
PWNED
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Itachi XIII
Caldari Thirteen Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:11:00 -
[18]
First page in an epic thread! Props to all involved
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NTRabbit
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:11:00 -
[19]
It's going to be one of those days
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RichThugster
Gallente 0riginal Pirate Material
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:11:00 -
[20]
yeha i just heard this.
proof or STFU ive heard from a very good friend in BOB the same rumour
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Dave White
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:11:00 -
[21]
lol
wtb visual agro timer in 0.0
EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER |
Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:11:00 -
[22]
$10 says the only salvage is Metal Scraps. :\
--P
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mematar
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:11:00 -
[23]
CYVOKSKI!
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TrippyX
Caldari The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:11:00 -
[24]
Best week in EVE!! first we are the first to lose a mothership, now D2 loses their Erebus!! awesome week!! ____________________
I ♥ [TSYND] |
Sokhar
Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:11:00 -
[25]
omg onoes
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F Apparition
Minmatar Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:11:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Lasus If EVE gave you oral sex every time you used it people would still complain.
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Samirol
Blood Sweat and Tears
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:11:00 -
[27]
first page in a soon to be epic thread
Listen to Dev Radio! |
Aqwis Silaman
Caldari Golden Fury Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:11:00 -
[28]
First page in semi-legendary thread of glory. --- And now for something completely different... |
BlackPulsar
Evil Proctologists
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:11:00 -
[29]
Edited by: BlackPulsar on 16/02/2007 18:09:16 lol....
did a cyvok great video please!
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Kalkin84
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:11:00 -
[30]
weak, go D2 anyway!
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Prophetic
Gallente Homeworld Technologies
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:11:00 -
[31]
choo choo?
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Nikolias
Evil Proctologists
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:11:00 -
[32]
ha =) deserved
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Sokratesz
Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:11:00 -
[33]
proof?
Suicide is bad, hmkay? (clickety clickety) |
NAFnist
Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:12:00 -
[34]
nice one BOB - Regards NAFnist
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Dezzereth
Two Swords Guild
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:12:00 -
[35]
FRAPS plz!!!
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Yuki Li
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:12:00 -
[36]
big bada boom
Website / Recruiting |
Mindlles
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:12:00 -
[37]
saw him blink green and blink red in my adress book =)
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Ashis
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:12:00 -
[38]
Congrats to the killers.
Condolences to the Kill-ee.
Epic Thread.
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R0ot
InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:12:00 -
[39]
YA!
___________________________________________________________________
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Adsterine
Rome SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:12:00 -
[40]
IM IN THE THREAD WOOO, How did it go down
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Aivo Laitanen
Laitanen Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:12:00 -
[41]
another one gg
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Dol Amroth
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:12:00 -
[42]
Another big toy downed. The pain train continues...
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Anderson
Eternity INC.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:12:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Anderson on 16/02/2007 18:09:11 Word. Gj guys, condolences to the loser
DEMAND FRAPSAGE!
I just saw a raging fire become a kerosene lantern :)
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Sauron Starcrusher
Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:12:00 -
[44]
BOOYAH!!!!! nice one!
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Kharakan
Amarr Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:12:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Kharakan on 16/02/2007 18:08:36 pleasepleasefirstpage!
EDIT: Bugger.
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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Waut
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:12:00 -
[46]
I find this hilarious
In Soviet EVE, roids pop YOU
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Tunajuice
Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:12:00 -
[47]
This definitely puts a damper on the rabble rabble coalition...
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Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:12:00 -
[48]
If this is true it's a major morale boost for BoB's side
If true, the congrats BoB on a second Titan kill
----------------------------------------- Explosion Matrix: Our Name Makes No Sense |
Omatje
Minmatar Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:12:00 -
[49]
Was the pilot actually flying it this time?
got no cool sig |
Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:12:00 -
[50]
Cynos down.... Wotangkgkgkgkg down? |
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IzzyChan
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:12:00 -
[51]
\o/ kur-plah --------------------
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Nethel
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:13:00 -
[52]
0.o ------
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panman
The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:13:00 -
[53]
Um.. not good -----------------------
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Vily
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:13:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Vily on 16/02/2007 18:09:31 tick tock the man is dead.
sounds like bob shot him in the head!
GIMME DETAILS YOU NUBBINS! -
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batloard
Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:13:00 -
[55]
lolpwned?
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Tareen Kashaar
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:13:00 -
[56]
Pix plz kthx! --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:13:00 -
[57]
Nice one if true, what's the story?
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:13:00 -
[58]
did you use the "shoot a can" or the "passive targeter" to increase his aggrotimer ?
Originally by: Dianabolic I've never cheated, I've never witnessed those I fly with, cheat and I guarentee you that if I DID witness such a thing I |
Kodiak31415
Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:13:00 -
[59]
Sucks to be d2....
Any screenies or dare I ask....fraps? |
Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:13:00 -
[60]
Meh, Jay Leno's chin shouldn't be in EVE anyway.
Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY
Down with alts! One character per account per IP! |
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Alice Cholmondeley
Christine.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:13:00 -
[61]
I see smoke coming from a train wreck. |
Ombrae
BoBo Corp R i s e
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:13:00 -
[62]
Gratz :)
- BoBo -
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Lister Black
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:13:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Lister Black on 16/02/2007 18:10:03 Hooray! ---------------------------- "Unshrink you?! Well that would require some sort of a REbigulator, which is a concept so ridiculous it makes me want to laugh out loud and chortle..." -Prof.Frink |
Juliette Red
Jags Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:13:00 -
[64]
1 titan 1 soon-to-be-titan 1 mothership
Expensive week for ships this one
GG whoever killed this one.
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Alice Cholmondeley
Christine.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:13:00 -
[65]
I see smoke coming from a train wreck. |
Ombrae
BoBo Corp R i s e
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:13:00 -
[66]
Gratz :)
- BoBo -
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Lister Black
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:13:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Lister Black on 16/02/2007 18:10:03 Hooray! ---------------------------- "Unshrink you?! Well that would require some sort of a REbigulator, which is a concept so ridiculous it makes me want to laugh out loud and chortle..." -Prof.Frink |
Juliette Red
Jags Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:13:00 -
[68]
1 titan 1 soon-to-be-titan 1 mothership
Expensive week for ships this one
GG whoever killed this one.
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[69]
Now behave boys and girls.... ___
EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER
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Bazman
Caldari Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[70]
Its just not the best week for supercapitals :p -----
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beantin
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[71]
lol
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neusa
Xoth Inc
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[72]
Edited by: neusa on 16/02/2007 18:10:45 congrats D2 for your loss .. build another one if not BOB will get bored .buhahaha PFFF
GJ BoB :)
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Tom Gunn
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[73]
wow
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Deren Thaldrel
Minmatar Black Watch Legionnaires Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[74]
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Ghost Reaper
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[75]
grats fellas
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Krongo
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[76]
Congrats BOB keep up the good work ;)
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Ozzie Asrail
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[77]
jubus... Grats Bob
1 mothership, 1 titan-in-building and 1 titan in space. What a week. -----
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Victor Vision
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Victor Vision on 16/02/2007 18:12:49 So the score is 1:1 if this is true.
LV fetus titan dead.
D2 titan dead.
Wars cause casualties. This is known.
Originally by: Bellon (Shinra, LV) Goonswarm (the 1000+ fleet) got EXACTLY what they wanted ... and we are dying.
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nickky01
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[79]
/heal 0 -------------------------------------------
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Oh and IAC's official response to ISS's offer is lollerskates.
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Emsee
S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[80]
That was quick
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winzer
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[81]
Edited by: winzer on 16/02/2007 18:11:43 ...
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Trinity Faetal
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[82]
haha are oh tea eff, el oh el
--
Enjoy The Silence |
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[83]
Now behave boys and girls.... ___
EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER
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Bazman
Caldari Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[84]
Its just not the best week for supercapitals :p -----
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beantin
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[85]
lol
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neusa
Xoth Inc
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[86]
Edited by: neusa on 16/02/2007 18:10:45 congrats D2 for your loss .. build another one if not BOB will get bored .buhahaha PFFF
GJ BoB :)
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Tom Gunn
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[87]
wow
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Deren Thaldrel
Minmatar Black Watch Legionnaires Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[88]
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Ghost Reaper
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[89]
grats fellas
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Krongo
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[90]
Congrats BOB keep up the good work ;)
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Ozzie Asrail
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[91]
jubus... Grats Bob
1 mothership, 1 titan-in-building and 1 titan in space. What a week. -----
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Victor Vision
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Victor Vision on 16/02/2007 18:12:49 So the score is 1:1 if this is true.
LV fetus titan dead.
D2 titan dead.
Wars cause casualties. This is known.
Originally by: Bellon (Shinra, LV) Goonswarm (the 1000+ fleet) got EXACTLY what they wanted ... and we are dying.
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nickky01
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[93]
/heal 0 -------------------------------------------
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Oh and IAC's official response to ISS's offer is lollerskates.
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Emsee
S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[94]
That was quick
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winzer
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[95]
Edited by: winzer on 16/02/2007 18:11:43 ...
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Trinity Faetal
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:14:00 -
[96]
haha are oh tea eff, el oh el
--
Enjoy The Silence |
Adoro
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:15:00 -
[97]
--------
Originally by: ChalSto underestimate us one second and uŠll mine veldspar in empire for the rest of ur eve-life
The LV way |
ramptrick
Caldari Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:15:00 -
[98]
owned!!
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Pon Icus
QUANT Corp.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:15:00 -
[99]
W00T! Congrats BoB! Big score.
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Tipsykitty
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:15:00 -
[100]
chooo choooo ! lol
congrats bob <3
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Aberash
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:15:00 -
[101]
WoW id like to know how, logged off?
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Nero Scuro
Caldari Jejaikaro Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:15:00 -
[102]
Whoa whoa wait wait wait...
This isn't my batman glass! ___
"have u seen my employ history? u better go as i have more friends in thisgame then in my real life" |
D2O HeavyWater
Amarr Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:15:00 -
[103]
Jeebers all the posts saying they are too tough as well.
Congratulations to those involved.
Commisserations to D2.
In preparing for battle I have always found that plans are useless, but planning is indispensable.
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Hunter Vonnegut
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:15:00 -
[104]
I MISSED THE JUMP BRIDGE BY 30 SECONDS!!!!! NOOOO!!!!!!!!
but got screenies of the wreck : )
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elohllird
Gallente Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:15:00 -
[105]
Edited by: elohllird on 16/02/2007 18:13:36 Good Job guys
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Adoro
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:15:00 -
[106]
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Originally by: ChalSto underestimate us one second and uŠll mine veldspar in empire for the rest of ur eve-life
The LV way |
ramptrick
Caldari Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:15:00 -
[107]
owned!!
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Pon Icus
QUANT Corp.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:15:00 -
[108]
W00T! Congrats BoB! Big score.
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Aberash
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:15:00 -
[109]
WoW id like to know how, logged off?
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Nero Scuro
Caldari Jejaikaro Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:15:00 -
[110]
Whoa whoa wait wait wait...
This isn't my batman glass! ___
"have u seen my employ history? u better go as i have more friends in thisgame then in my real life" |
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D2O HeavyWater
Amarr Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:15:00 -
[111]
Jeebers all the posts saying they are too tough as well.
Congratulations to those involved.
Commisserations to D2.
In preparing for battle I have always found that plans are useless, but planning is indispensable.
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Hunter Vonnegut
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:15:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Hunter Vonnegut on 16/02/2007 18:25:14 Edited by: Hunter Vonnegut on 16/02/2007 18:24:35 Edited by: Hunter Vonnegut on 16/02/2007 18:19:54 I MISSED THE JUMP BRIDGE BY 30 SECONDS!!!!! NOOOO!!!!!!!!
but got screenies of the wreck : )
DEAD EREBUS
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elohllird
Gallente Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:15:00 -
[113]
Edited by: elohllird on 16/02/2007 18:13:36 Good Job guys
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Jake Noble
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:16:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Kodiak31415 Sucks to be d2....
Any screenies or dare I ask....fraps?
fraps / screens PLEASE!
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TrippyX
Caldari The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:16:00 -
[115]
Edited by: TrippyX on 16/02/2007 18:12:24 http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20070216180605px9.jpg ____________________
I ♥ [TSYND] |
Chirinako
Caldari Legionari Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:16:00 -
[116]
Tick Tock.
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Jake Noble
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:16:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Kodiak31415 Sucks to be d2....
Any screenies or dare I ask....fraps?
fraps / screens PLEASE!
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TrippyX
Caldari The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:16:00 -
[118]
Edited by: TrippyX on 16/02/2007 18:12:24 http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20070216180605px9.jpg ____________________
I ♥ [TSYND] |
Chirinako
Caldari Legionari Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:16:00 -
[119]
Tick Tock.
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malet
Quam Singulari Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:16:00 -
[120]
congrats to BOB,, sock it to them
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Blue Stratos
Amarr BOOM - Gotcha
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:16:00 -
[121]
And i quote *D2*
We will win this war, and bob wont do **** to us
And um
Titan dead?
LMFAO
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Raid
Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:16:00 -
[122]
NICE!!!!!!!!!!
How the hell do they pick these people to fly the Titan?!?!??!? How do they not know that logging off while your agression timer is on is NOT a good thing..
Noobtastic!
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Variable1
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:16:00 -
[123]
1 for the good guys! gf.
Titans just come and go so easily these days lol
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UndergrounD
Caldari Grumpy Old Farts Gruntfuttocks
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:16:00 -
[124]
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Shigsy
Caldari Four Horsemen
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:16:00 -
[125]
he pulled a cyvok! Your Signature exceeds the max filesize limit of 24,000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo |
Jake Noble
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:16:00 -
[126]
http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20070216180605px9.jpg
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A Marr
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Krugerrand
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:17:00 -
[128]
Hurry up with the story ffs :P
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lofty29
Athanasius Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:17:00 -
[129]
Score 2 for the bad guys! ---
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Leilani Solaris
Gallente 0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:17:00 -
[130]
ouch.... nice kill. Decent loot?
Outbreak Killboard |
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Kennyer
Caldari Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:17:00 -
[131]
sorry to hear d2
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31i73
BGG
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:18:00 -
[132]
must have taken immense skill again
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NeuSire
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:18:00 -
[133]
it look so dead .. D2 u rulle on losses this mounth :))))))
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duffmanoyeah
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:18:00 -
[134]
http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20070216180605px9.jpg
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Fellet
Amarr Delta team Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:18:00 -
[135]
epic thread ! goodjob BoB !
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Ace Frehley
Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:18:00 -
[136]
Girljerms is more lethal then a fleet of 1000 Tempests Yeah IŠm nude, IŠm a swede and IŠm armed with bad jokes
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magic don
Minmatar 0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:18:00 -
[137]
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Horatio Nately
Caldari Finis Lumen
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:18:00 -
[138]
It's down. Expect the official soon. --------------------------------------- My Usual Feedback: Pro BoB post = omg you suck up stfu. Anti BoB Post = omg add more tinfoil.
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Wyndwhisper
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:18:00 -
[139]
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shuckstar
Gallente Order of New Blood
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:18:00 -
[140]
Completely Nuetral but grats on the kill
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Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:18:00 -
[141]
I was gonna go to that system one of these days. Not today. =P
Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY
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F Apparition
Minmatar Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:19:00 -
[142]
Any info on what exactly happened?
Originally by: Lasus If EVE gave you oral sex every time you used it people would still complain.
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DoZ3r
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:19:00 -
[143]
ohh dear.....
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BoB FanGirl
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:19:00 -
[144]
Edited by: BoB FanGirl on 16/02/2007 18:18:47 gg
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Incinate
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:19:00 -
[145]
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Katsumoto
Caldari Quam Singulari Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:19:00 -
[146]
Nth Post!!!! .
"3, 6, 9, Dam she fine, hopin she can sock it to me one mo time"Myspace |
Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:19:00 -
[147]
Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 16/02/2007 18:17:41 Given these events, seemingly confirmed by an IRON post above and photos, why are not all the D2ites posting to either confirm or deny?
I wonder what it is like to be a balloon and then go pop?
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Crellion
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:19:00 -
[148]
Good Lord! BoB came back from Jita and killed a Titan ... is it possible the war is not over? no it cant be D2and allies said they are dead... a mystery then .... hmmm... they must have haxed.. Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim. |
DTee
The Huns
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:19:00 -
[149]
Edited by: DTee on 16/02/2007 18:17:00 All the chest beating by D2 and tick tock posts and looks where that has got you.
I think D2 and crew just fell of their high little horse.
:/
This is my personal opinion only. It does not reflect that of my corporation or alliance.
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Leon 026
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:19:00 -
[150]
HOOAH -------
Leon 026 Once I was fallen, now I have wings |
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Rennard
Aku Soku Zan
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:20:00 -
[151]
another loggoffski?
probably aggroed from wrecks then probed.
Don't give titans to noobs.
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panman
The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:20:00 -
[152]
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http://www.lfc4life.com/panmansig.jpg
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Victor Vision
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:20:00 -
[153]
D2Šs determination to fight BoB will only be strengthend by this event.
Revenge the Tigerente!
Originally by: Bellon (Shinra, LV) Goonswarm (the 1000+ fleet) got EXACTLY what they wanted ... and we are dying.
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Wylker
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:20:00 -
[154]
Good work :) http://jamesbanks.org/pyconduct%20copy.jpg
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Troubadour
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:21:00 -
[155]
spin this coalition of bumbling.
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Feral Karkassia
Minmatar Mean Corp Veni Vidi Vici .
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:21:00 -
[156]
Is it bad that I moused over the image looking for info to pop up?
XP
Lotsa big ships dying this week huh. The Eve Gods are angry! :P
Please, make the Wolf's propulsion trails blue again!!! |
DEVILS PREY
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:22:00 -
[157]
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Arrgs
Arrgs' Kinky Sex Shop Emporium of Sex Toys
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:23:00 -
[158]
Congrats BoB, details on what happened would be awsome though. My first video!
Signature removed - lacks EVE-Online related content - Please email us if you have a question (and include the URL) - Jacques([email protected]) |
Yuki Li
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:23:00 -
[159]
It was all pretty sudden, and i missed the kill because i was in a pod already ._.
but, all the same, peripheral weapon navigation diameter.
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Trypho
Minmatar Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:23:00 -
[160]
Sucks for D2
This is probably the kick-off for another node-crashing weekend!
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Omak Topal
Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:23:00 -
[161]
i wonder what the litle red minus was thinking when this was happening! w00t! ------ http://www.eve-topal.nl/pics/topal.jpg your sig is too large, please read the rules and resize it - Ductoris |
lofty29
Athanasius Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:23:00 -
[162]
Pics of loot / wreck? ---
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Helganstandt
Finis Lumen
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:23:00 -
[163]
Edited by: Helganstandt on 16/02/2007 18:20:55 How hard is it to go to a deep safe and cloak, seriously?
Good job by BoB and friends for catching another one off guard though. I'd say unless D2 have another one built, that could be an early turning point to this war.
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AngryCanuk
TribalWar Inc EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:23:00 -
[164]
Awww dam
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Arthur DaKine
Gallente 808 Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:23:00 -
[165]
http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20070216180605px9.jpg
Aquired through roundabout channels.
Changed image to a link -Eldo Davip([email protected]) _ _ CEO 808 Enterprises Freighter Service Available Got Hawaii? |
Captain Hudson
Caldari Rogue Arrow Galactic Empire O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:24:00 -
[166]
damn that sucks
but kudos to BoB
Originally by: SPQRMocton
We would love to have a bunch of teenage pimple boys with no real pvp ability to fil our corpse yards
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xS LorD
Intersteller CareBare Rehabilitation Unit
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:24:00 -
[167]
Good Job BoB. Congratz
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Sauron Starcrusher
Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:24:00 -
[168]
Edited by: Sauron Starcrusher on 16/02/2007 18:27:49
Originally by: Nicocat Meh, Jay Leno's chin shouldn't be in EVE anyway.
I always thought the Brutix was more like Leno.
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Ferocious FeAr
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:24:00 -
[169]
LOL
Very nice work. It must really sting since people have been gloating about D2.
Don't hate me, learn to love me |
Bailian Moxtain
Toys R Us Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:25:00 -
[170]
2 down, whos next? :P
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IntegralHellsing
Gallente The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:25:00 -
[171]
all hail Kali, the Godess of Destruction!
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DEVILS PREY
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:25:00 -
[172]
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Hyllekjeks
The SMITE Brotherhood Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:25:00 -
[173]
I wonder what it was doing on its own without a pos by its side, could it be another "accedently" logged off titan?
I mean there is a fun in beeing hated, it puts a fire in your ass and it gets ******* boring to be loved by everyone |
Dominixa
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:25:00 -
[174]
Awesome job guys! Its been a blast fighting D2 in fountain!!
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MAD D0G
Caldari BURN EDEN GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:25:00 -
[175]
darm
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Duke North
Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:25:00 -
[176]
Uppsss the secound Titan BoB kills while it is defensles and afk any 1 else see a patern???
Sry D2 for your loss Performing the ancient and noble art of killing eachothers. |
Aries Acheron
The Valour United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:26:00 -
[177]
Wow. This came out of the blue.
If possible, can I get an interview with one of the involved parties for Eve-Tribune's monday president's day issue? Send an evemail to me for the scoop, please. :) ~~~
Action! Suspense! Jita! Eve Tribune
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zykerx
Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:26:00 -
[178]
so did it go down fighting or was it a stupid logoff again
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InnerDrive
Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:26:00 -
[179]
do ya got ya dev friends to help ya than? ur still gonna lose this war. they will have to crash us all to prevent that.
keep on going D2 we will get em!
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Lord Sol
Gallente Forgotton Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:26:00 -
[180]
LMAO
This week so far .......
Bob are dead, bob maybe dead,
opps we just lost a titan ....
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Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:26:00 -
[181]
Originally by: D2O HeavyWater Jeebers all the posts saying they are too tough as well.
Congratulations to those involved.
Commisserations to D2.
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Krychton
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:27:00 -
[182]
Congrats BoB/co ----
Krychton 065 If this is all a dream, don't wake me up.
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Rytir
Amarr E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:27:00 -
[183]
Edited by: Rytir on 16/02/2007 18:24:14 one isk sink down now time to have more pew pew
seeing as bob's ragnarok can't hit anything but a pos
things can only get better
Edit : bad spelling
Quote: FotoFlame > just shut up and lead fleets, if i want your opinion i'll give you one :)
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Zrevak Ashek
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:27:00 -
[184]
FFS! One must think ppl would learn from CYVVOKS mistakes, but nooooo... http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0701/zprisig.jpg
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Exelsior
Colossus Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:27:00 -
[185]
Go BoB!
I bet D2 will go back to their cave now
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Lasakywa
Caldari Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:28:00 -
[186]
OMG noooon
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Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:28:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Sauron Starcrusher
Originally by: Nicocat Meh, Jay Leno's chin shouldn't be in EVE anyway.
I always thought the Brutix was more like Leno.
It may be just the angle on the portrait, but the Erebus is much more Leno-esque to me. I've never seen one up close =P
Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY
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LeviUK
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:28:00 -
[188]
GJ BoB, bad luck D2. -
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BoB FanGirl
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:28:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Shin Ra Edited by: Shin Ra on 16/02/2007 17:09:25 Cool, we killed a titan-to-be and LV's morale. You killed a couple of dreads. nice.
The train don't stop till its in the station
choo choo
Want a hug ?
so how do you feel?
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dabster
Minmatar Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:28:00 -
[190]
The sad part is i feel so convinced some kind of exploit was abused to get this done, if its true. ___________________________ Trust In Rust!
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NAFnist
Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:29:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Exelsior Go BoB!
I bet D2 will go back to their cave now
dont put all your isk on that bet - Regards NAFnist
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Evenfall Phoenix
Drones of Annihilation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:29:00 -
[192]
well, 1 Titan for another I guess. Sure LVs was still in the womb, but it's still a titan.
Hope D2 has another couple at the ready . Give them hell for it D2.
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Dionisius
Gallente SpearMint Rhino GentleMen's Club
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:29:00 -
[193]
Edited by: Dionisius on 16/02/2007 18:27:01
Originally by: DTee Edited by: DTee on 16/02/2007 18:17:00 All the chest beating by D2 and tick tock posts and looks where that has got you.
I think D2 and crew just fell of their high little horse.
:/
This is my personal opinion only. It does not reflect that of my corporation or alliance.
Uh-uh, and just look who's talking... _______________________
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Paddlefoot Aeon
Neogen Industries Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:29:00 -
[194]
Has there even been a D2 or BOB post yet? -----------------------------------------------
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Kaaii
Caldari Equilibrium LLC United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:30:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Victor Vision Edited by: Victor Vision on 16/02/2007 18:12:49 So the score is 1:1 if this is true.
LV fetus titan dead.
D2 titan dead.
Wars cause casualties. This is known.
Isn't it interesting that the only way Spamgoons can kill a titan is if its unpiloted in a state of production, yep bob has no trouble with killing fielded ones?
I think so....
Trading 101
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Arthur DaKine
Gallente 808 Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:30:00 -
[196]
Picture of the wreck: http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/2388/editedrg4.jpg
Mods can you please link it? ir in forum suck mode _ _ CEO 808 Enterprises Freighter Service Available Got Hawaii? |
Timmy Bettenson
Caldari Evil Proctologists
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:30:00 -
[197]
gratz to BoB
keep up the good work
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Sexorella hotz
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:30:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Feral Karkassia Is it bad that I moused over the image looking for info to pop up?
XP
Lotsa big ships dying this week huh. The Eve Gods are angry! :P
LOL, I do that all the time when I watch the vids.
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padshiiangel
Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:30:00 -
[199]
congrat. all BOB gj glide to see this
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NOObbody
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:30:00 -
[200]
Originally by: dabster The sad part is i feel so convinced some kind of exploit was abused to get this done, if its true.
and an ccp official congratulated them in local... how surprising
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Iva Soreass
FireStar Inc Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:30:00 -
[201]
Nice one to all who killed it. ----------------------------------------------- http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4317/creditcard22es4.jpg
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:30:00 -
[202]
so the war over now
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Feline Ferocity
Caldari Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:30:00 -
[203]
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:31:00 -
[204]
I do see a pattern happening. You know what is even more sad... A month ago I would not have even given any credence to the thought that somehow something underhanded was done to allow this to happen.
Now in the light of recent events everything that they do becomes suspect. Wonder if this was a logoff with aggro that was not really there... Like before.
Just makes ya wonder and thats the truely sad part. We do have cause to wonder.
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Heintron
Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:31:00 -
[205]
wtf actually happened then :D? |
kbullet
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:32:00 -
[206]
Originally by: InnerDrive do ya got ya dev friends to help ya than? ur still gonna lose this war. they will have to crash us all to prevent that.
keep on going D2 we will get em!
hi o/
meh and we thought a mothership kill was epic =(
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:32:00 -
[207]
So, non-BoB Titan pilots love to logoff with aggro timer.
Or Titan pilot was online this time?
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TARREX
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:32:00 -
[208]
CCP or BOB kill the titan ?
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:33:00 -
[209]
lol cyvok'ed
Should've just given me the money spent on making it id put it to better use Never again are you allowed to whine about not training Combat Skills |
Promon Delnai
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:33:00 -
[210]
Prawn'd ________________ http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/promo_cl/rokh-sig.jpg
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Exelsior
Colossus Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:34:00 -
[211]
Originally by: NAFnist
Originally by: Exelsior Go BoB!
I bet D2 will go back to their cave now
dont put all your isk on that bet
I won't put all of it
But D2 were never amazingly clsely tied, and this is gonna be a devastating blow to them imo. If not to their fighting capability, then to their morale. Within perhaps a week of heavy losses D2 will be back home mining/ratting. At which point BoB will go back and help LV.
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:34:00 -
[212]
only a few minutes after the titan was killed a GM appeared in local to bookmark the wreck for a permanent wreck ...
quite impressive response time tbh ___________________
-Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
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Smokie245
Caldari The Black Ops
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:34:00 -
[213]
I wonder how many wrecks were shot to keep the aggro timer alive?, May not be deemed an exploit but hardly game mechanics if this is how it was done
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Cupdeez
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:34:00 -
[214]
It is true BOD killed D2's titan...
He lost connection and could not relog...
go figure BOD would get everyone of these titan kills on some kind of loggoff.
Well its a big loss but as you can see with whats going on with LV it does not matter about titan it matters about the will to win. LV can't stop us because we don't relay on 1 ship although they do..
We do it as a team!!
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Sauron Starcrusher
Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:34:00 -
[215]
wow, not very fond of the named picked for that one. bad form http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/0701/roxothronetnysig.jpg
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Davlos
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:34:00 -
[216]
Booyah! ---------------
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Ohmite
Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:34:00 -
[217]
Are we sure this was killed by "good tactics" rather then exploits ctd etc
Did the node crash only 4 some people and others didnt!!!!
What are the "real facts" not just the propaganda
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Wyndwhisper
Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:35:00 -
[218]
Good job BoB, let the good times role o/
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Smokie245
Caldari The Black Ops
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:35:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Ohmite Are we sure this was killed by "good tactics" rather then exploits ctd etc
Did the node crash only 4 some people and others didnt!!!!
What are the "real facts" not just the propaganda
Dont be silly we know BoB doesnt cheat or exploit, the GM's and Devs told us so .. http://usera.imagecave.com/TruckNetUK/smokie245_sig.png
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:36:00 -
[220]
errr. i go to work and wtf. I wanted to be in on the killmail -----
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:36:00 -
[221]
I hate to hear of the loss of the D2 Titan. This has indeed been an expensive last 12 hours for both sides, with the loss of the LV Capital Ship Yards.
I hope that D2 is able to recover quickly from this loss. May its death inflame your forces and your allies to destroy the corrupt forces of BoB
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Wyndwhisper
Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:36:00 -
[222]
real facts are: D2 Titan is dead what more facts do you need ?
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AngryCanuk
TribalWar Inc EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:36:00 -
[223]
so they took down 1 Time to take out the other 2 :P
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Spaced Skunk
D00M.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:36:00 -
[224]
Originally by: NOObbody
Originally by: dabster The sad part is i feel so convinced some kind of exploit was abused to get this done, if its true.
and an ccp official congratulated them in local... how surprising
It doesnt surprise me either tbh....
Anyway well done, hope the other titan pilots in the game actually have the balls to stay logged on and do something, did any of the D2 gang in local (if there was any) even come to stall them at all, even try to do something.
Anyway, the Titan was just an entity, and not D2 mkay, for those people getting carried away.
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:37:00 -
[225]
Originally by: NOObbody
Originally by: dabster The sad part is i feel so convinced some kind of exploit was abused to get this done, if its true.
and an ccp official congratulated them in local... how surprising
This is the most disturbing part of the whole thing. Were they there to congratulate RAGOON. Uhm nope. I guess recent events just dont matter to CCP.
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Empyre
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:37:00 -
[226]
Originally by: Feral Karkassia Is it bad that I moused over the image looking for info to pop up?
XP
Lotsa big ships dying this week huh. The Eve Gods are angry! :P
better than me.. i actually tried to click and drag to pan the camera around the field.. i just ended up with a copy of the picture on my desktop.
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AMD383
The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:37:00 -
[227]
THX for BoB and CCP for this nice Aktion more ask 3h no agro and the Titan down after 2min. he log off and we see he dont go away from scaner so he log on again and noting happen. after 1min not log in and escap cyno rdy he wars down .... and then this at local http://freenet-homepage.de/winchip2/2007.02.16.18.19.49.PNG 3x Acc Disbann after 3j See you but no way to play this game again http://www.trollexception.net/bsgd2/sig.jpg
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PCX339
Beasts of Burden YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:37:00 -
[228]
Titans leave lots of wrecks....
The other team just has to loot or shoot a wreck every 14 minutes to keep the titan aggro timer going indefinitely.
You basically have to get a titan back to safe space to log out... which can be hard if there is a big response from the other side and they know their cyno logistics.
I hope bob gets what's coming to them, but they DO know how to play the game.
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Exelsior
Colossus Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:37:00 -
[229]
Originally by: Cupdeez It is true BOD killed D2's titan...
Well its a big loss but as you can see with whats going on with LV it does not matter about titan it matters about the will to win. LV can't stop us because we don't relay on 1 ship although they do..
We do it as a team!!
You're basically saying that the only way you can beat LV is when they don't have any allies to help them like BoB in their vicinity, and when you have a bloody massive bandwagon against LV.
What are you proud of again?
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WRWR
Amarr Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:37:00 -
[230]
Originally by: zykerx so did it go down fighting or was it a stupid logoff again
disconected again like cyvok by band of developers
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:38:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Wyndwhisper real facts are: D2 Titan is dead what more facts do you need ?
How about proof form someone actually in the fight?
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Rulkez
FireStar Inc Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:38:00 -
[232]
gj BoB
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Verizana
The Kru
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:38:00 -
[233]
The BOB ninjas strike once again!
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Danny Hawk
Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:38:00 -
[234]
so let me get this right
t20 uses crtl ctd d2 buttons bob kills the crashed titan t20 congrats his fellow bobbits in local
about right??
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Callie Nefarious
The Legion. Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:38:00 -
[235]
Tick Tock it seems BOB have shot your internet***** null |
Emsigma
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:38:00 -
[236]
Originally by: PCX339
Titans leave lots of wrecks....
The other team just has to loot or shoot a wreck every 14 minutes to keep the titan aggro timer going indefinitely.
Only applies to NPC wrecks afaik and I can not, even in my wildest dreams, think that D2 were NPC:ing with the titan. ---
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Pinpisa Jormao
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:38:00 -
[237]
Details plz. If I were certain I'd waited the timer then I'd say the ball is now in CCPs hands to provide proof (server logs) that it was an error on my part as there this just doesn't seem likely to happen otherwise.
If it's indeed possible to get the time extended through some old wreck - that's something that I'd either expect to be the Titan reimbursed from due to lack of specification ascertaining these mechanics.
IMHO all Titans lost in this manner should be reimbursed without question, but also make Titans not able to cloak and not able to cyno or warp after using Doomsday.
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Imode
Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:38:00 -
[238]
I have placed a massive buy order of Reynolds and Kirkland stock.
I hope the EVE populace will not let me down! _________________________________ Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24,000 bytes.Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip |
Thargat
Caldari S-44 Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:39:00 -
[239]
It's been said before and I'm saying it again. Titans are sooo 2006. Anyhow, good going BoB (I dont't care about all the rumors, you'r still content creating). But we'll keep you on -10 anyhow ;p
oh and ps: We have A FRIDGE! ;)
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Exelsior
Colossus Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:39:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: NOObbody
Originally by: dabster The sad part is i feel so convinced some kind of exploit was abused to get this done, if its true.
and an ccp official congratulated them in local... how surprising
This is the most disturbing part of the whole thing. Were they there to congratulate RAGOON. Uhm nope. I guess recent events just dont matter to CCP.
So you're telling me that killing a POS that is producing a titan somehow compares to killing an actual titan?
It's like comparing the difficulty of killing a baby in a womb to killing a full grown man.
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Psan Vigilante
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:39:00 -
[241]
Grats guys.
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Kaaln
Gallente Soar Angelic
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:40:00 -
[242]
The amount of alts in this thread is hilarious! BoB really couldn't resist posting eh? Who can blame them.
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BlackPulsar
Evil Proctologists
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:41:00 -
[243]
titan km: http://aftermath-alliance.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=910
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Eversor
FW Inc Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:41:00 -
[244]
Another BoB "dubious" Titan kill, with a rather "quick" GM response for bookmarking of wreck.
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Smokie245
Caldari The Black Ops
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:41:00 -
[245]
Quote: Details plz. If I were certain I'd waited the timer then I'd say the ball is now in CCPs hands to provide proof (server logs) that it was an error on my part as there this just doesn't seem likely to happen otherwise.
I am sure that the matter will be thoroughly investigated by the GM's and Devs and BoB will be found to have done absolutly nothing wrong at all.. Again ..
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Amerame
Section XIII
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:41:00 -
[246]
Originally by: Exelsior
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: NOObbody
Originally by: dabster The sad part is i feel so convinced some kind of exploit was abused to get this done, if its true.
and an ccp official congratulated them in local... how surprising
This is the most disturbing part of the whole thing. Were they there to congratulate RAGOON. Uhm nope. I guess recent events just dont matter to CCP.
So you're telling me that killing a POS that is producing a titan somehow compares to killing an actual titan?
It's like comparing the difficulty of killing a baby in a womb to killing a full grown man.
Killing a titan due to buggy aggro timer is indeed an impressive show of skills ! I'm not saying swarming a system with 800+ people is a lot better, but still why on the one hand a CCP congratulate BoB and no one was around for the redswarm ?
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MasterDecoy
Gallente Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:41:00 -
[247]
this will go down as the most useless titan ever built...
seriously?
AGAIN?!?!?!?!?!
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Maruk Ihnati
Gallente United Warriors Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:41:00 -
[248]
Originally by: Rennard another loggoffski?
probably aggroed from wrecks then probed.
Don't give titans to noobs.
What is this new feature that you speak of?
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turumbor
Caldari D00M.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:41:00 -
[249]
bob haxx again it seems... duty is heavier then a moutain, deth is lighter then a fether. |
Teeta Sabes
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:41:00 -
[250]
hahaha bob did it again.
lets see if they can get a so called "had-trick"
great done BoB
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Hippo117
Caldari Wings of Redemption
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:42:00 -
[251]
Glad I don't fly a titan... --------------
Obligulatory 'opinion does not nescessarily represent those of my corp/alliance' stuff here. |
Huge Ox
UK Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:42:00 -
[252]
Originally by: dabster The sad part is i feel so convinced some kind of exploit was abused to get this done, if its true.
No the sad part is you actually posted that !!! especially after RaGoons and the rest of the bandwagoners exploits last night in and around LV Tbh while i have some respect for RA and Goons i have absolutely none for the bandwagoners
usual disclaimer about these views etc etc.
on a completely different note I'm sorry to hear about another titan going down even if it was a hostile one and props to D2 and co for taking the fight to Bob and not spouting crap on the forums like the bandwageners. Please note i dont include RaGoons as there entiteled to since its there war against LV.
same discalimer applies ..
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Alice Cholmondeley
Christine.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:43:00 -
[253]
Originally by: Amerame
Originally by: Exelsior
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: NOObbody
Originally by: dabster The sad part is i feel so convinced some kind of exploit was abused to get this done, if its true.
and an ccp official congratulated them in local... how surprising
This is the most disturbing part of the whole thing. Were they there to congratulate RAGOON. Uhm nope. I guess recent events just dont matter to CCP.
So you're telling me that killing a POS that is producing a titan somehow compares to killing an actual titan?
It's like comparing the difficulty of killing a baby in a womb to killing a full grown man.
Killing a titan due to buggy aggro timer is indeed an impressive show of skills ! I'm not saying swarming a system with 800+ people is a lot better, but still why on the one hand a CCP congratulate BoB and no one was around for the redswarm ?
Because they were there to bookmark the wreck to make it permanent, kinda hard with a titan that's still building. |
FGxHalsey
Freedom Guard Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:43:00 -
[254]
Originally by: Cupdeez It is true BOD killed D2's titan...
He lost connection and could not relog...
go figure BOD would get everyone of these titan kills on some kind of loggoff.
I find this to be an amazing coincidence... of course I don't believe in coincidence.
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Orithyia
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:43:00 -
[255]
was the pilot online? or another mysterious line drop and cant log on? spies spoil the game.
if it was a fair kill gj.
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:43:00 -
[256]
Originally by: Exelsior
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: NOObbody
Originally by: dabster The sad part is i feel so convinced some kind of exploit was abused to get this done, if its true.
and an ccp official congratulated them in local... how surprising
This is the most disturbing part of the whole thing. Were they there to congratulate RAGOON. Uhm nope. I guess recent events just dont matter to CCP.
So you're telling me that killing a POS that is producing a titan somehow compares to killing an actual titan?
It's like comparing the difficulty of killing a baby in a womb to killing a full grown man.
I'd say killing a defended POS is quite a bit harder than killing a pilotless ship, regardless of its class.
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Lister Black
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:43:00 -
[257]
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: NOObbody
Originally by: dabster The sad part is i feel so convinced some kind of exploit was abused to get this done, if its true.
and an ccp official congratulated them in local... how surprising
This is the most disturbing part of the whole thing. Were they there to congratulate RAGOON. Uhm nope. I guess recent events just dont matter to CCP.
Well, the GM was there to bookmark the spot where the Titan fell, for a permanent wreck, which is something that wasn't needed in JV1V.
That said, I wouldn't blame them if they didn't do it out of spite. RAGOON and friends have been posting some of the most insulting things I have ever seen posted towards all of CCP in the past few weeks, ranging from attacks towards the work they do to calling the staff themselves cheaters and crooks. If it was me, I wouldn't be too eager to congratulate RAGOON for anything either, to be honest. ---------------------------- "Unshrink you?! Well that would require some sort of a REbigulator, which is a concept so ridiculous it makes me want to laugh out loud and chortle..." -Prof.Frink |
turumbor
Caldari D00M.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:43:00 -
[258]
Originally by: Rennard another loggoffski?
probably aggroed from wrecks then probed.
Don't give titans to noobs.
shouldnt this be considered an exploit ??, or you would never be able to logoff ffs duty is heavier then a moutain, deth is lighter then a fether. |
nync
UA Industry Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:43:00 -
[259]
ASCN titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away , killed by BOD ready for it. D2 titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away, killed by BOD ready for it.
Isn't getting a bit odd...
noob in training |
Aterna
Minmatar M'8'S
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:44:00 -
[260]
Oh man, I missed it. That's what I get for falling asleep at the keyboard while waiting for orders!
I had just gotten home from work, flew all the way to 7BX, got to the fleet, waited and waited and waited, and the whole time my computer was asking me to restart, and said it would do so on its own in 5...I fell asleep and it restarted. I woke up to my desktop, and was like...NO!
I missed the dread kills, the fleet action, the titan fight, man I am unlucky. - - -
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Morathia
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:44:00 -
[261]
BoB are the " Wayne Gretzky " of Eve :)
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:44:00 -
[262]
Originally by: NOObbody
Originally by: dabster The sad part is i feel so convinced some kind of exploit was abused to get this done, if its true.
and an ccp official congratulated them in local... how surprising
not very suprising really.
CCP still havent answered any questions about the other Devs/ISD/GM's in bob either.
Originally by: Dianabolic I've never cheated, I've never witnessed those I fly with, cheat and I guarentee you that if I DID witness such a thing I |
Boliknar
The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:44:00 -
[263]
Originally by: Amerame
Originally by: Exelsior
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: NOObbody
Originally by: dabster The sad part is i feel so convinced some kind of exploit was abused to get this done, if its true.
and an ccp official congratulated them in local... how surprising
This is the most disturbing part of the whole thing. Were they there to congratulate RAGOON. Uhm nope. I guess recent events just dont matter to CCP.
So you're telling me that killing a POS that is producing a titan somehow compares to killing an actual titan?
It's like comparing the difficulty of killing a baby in a womb to killing a full grown man.
No what I was saying, Fanboi, is that CCP should not be handy out congrats to anyone especially not BOD after recent events. Its just plain stupid and a blatant show for favoritism.
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kbullet
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:45:00 -
[264]
btw 4got to add did i drop any good loot
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Randay
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:45:00 -
[265]
Originally by: Imode I have placed a massive buy order of Reynolds and Kirkland stock.
I hope the EVE populace will not let me down!
My aluminum fortress is almost complete, you are welcome to join me once its finished. ps: bring food.
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Helina Malinos
Caldari Euro Traders
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:45:00 -
[266]
Originally by: Dave White lol
wtb visual agro timer in 0.0
Called a Journal.
Glad they lost it as it could not have happened to a more fitting Bunch or loggers.
How many capitals have D2 lost today?
4/5?
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Exelsior
Colossus Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:45:00 -
[267]
Originally by: Amerame
Originally by: Exelsior
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: NOObbody
Originally by: dabster The sad part is i feel so convinced some kind of exploit was abused to get this done, if its true.
and an ccp official congratulated them in local... how surprising
This is the most disturbing part of the whole thing. Were they there to congratulate RAGOON. Uhm nope. I guess recent events just dont matter to CCP.
So you're telling me that killing a POS that is producing a titan somehow compares to killing an actual titan?
It's like comparing the difficulty of killing a baby in a womb to killing a full grown man.
Killing a titan due to buggy aggro timer is indeed an impressive show of skills ! I'm not saying swarming a system with 800+ people is a lot better, but still why on the one hand a CCP congratulate BoB and no one was around for the redswarm ?
I don't think anyone really knows the full details of what happened yet (except the titan pilot and BoB), so let's wait before we assume that some stupid trick was used by BoB. You got no real proof yet.
Btw, was it a GM or an actual dev who congratulated BoB? and who was the dev (if it was a dev)?
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sherbert lemon
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:45:00 -
[268]
vewy nice they shoulda used an avatar - amarr ftw
^^ - hehehe, that face makes me laugh :) |
Empyre
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:45:00 -
[269]
Originally by: Cupdeez It is true BOD killed D2's titan...
He lost connection and could not relog...
go figure BOD would get everyone of these titan kills on some kind of loggoff.
Well its a big loss but as you can see with whats going on with LV it does not matter about titan it matters about the will to win. LV can't stop us because we don't relay on 1 ship although they do..
We do it as a team!!
is it always an exploit when you or an ally lose, but flawless cooperation and tactic when you win?
what am i thinking.. forgot the mentality of the coalition for a second.
People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue. |
Sokratesz
Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:46:00 -
[270]
Edited by: Sokratesz on 16/02/2007 18:42:55 if you mean stabbing the full grown man in his sleep, yeah, then its comparable
err...woops...20 replies in 1 minute...*yay*
Suicide is bad, hmkay? (clickety clickety) |
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Amaron Ghant
Caldari Warped Mining Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:46:00 -
[271]
Well well well. |
Dekiri
Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:46:00 -
[272]
It is EXTREMLY fishy... I don't believe 1 seconds that the same stuff happened to another guy unless BoB uses some sort of hack/exploit.
After recent happenings and knowing how well CYVOKS titan death was published and explained i do not believe one seconds that it was a legit kill.
If it was a legit kill grats DŠ for a stupid pilot and if it wasn't then CCP should really take some SERIOUS action.
--------------------------------- Exanimo Inc. - Mercs for hire Join channel "CONTRACT EXAN" in game if you wish to hire Exanimo Inc. Or contact cptblood or kakanur |
Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:46:00 -
[273]
Something occured to me... if the titan had to log off, or crashed, or whatever... where was its support fleet? Same with CYVOK. I would think if I was helping a fleet that had a Titan, I'd help watch over said titan until it vanished, like, if the pilot had to take a dump, or crashed.
Unless ALL of the D2 crashed and NONE of the BoD did. Then it's back to the ol' foil.
Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY
Down with alts! One character per account per IP! |
Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:46:00 -
[274]
Grats BoB, nice to hear. _______ I came, I read, I lol'ed. |
Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:46:00 -
[275]
- In 2004, Annihillus lose his well-fitted CNR (one of the firsts in-game) to Bob, after an unwilling disconnection.
- In the Bob-FA war, the FA TS server is regulary targeted by Denial of Service attacks.
- In 2006, Cyvok lose his Titan after a disconnection. Rumors of DoS attack or a similar trick start flying around not even 30 minutes after the Titan is down. The accepted version is that he forgot about an aggro timer, but Cyvok is a veteran, and this isn't the kind of things you forget often.
- Early 2007, D2 lose his Titan in what seems to be similar conditions.
The above are facts.
I'm waiting for the testimony of the D2 Titan pilot, before I form an opinion on this "event"... ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types. |
Leviathan9
Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:46:00 -
[276]
Hmmm BoD have killed another Titan..... Well good job. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels - Devil ([email protected])
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:46:00 -
[277]
Originally by: Smokie245 I wonder how many wrecks were shot to keep the aggro timer alive?, May not be deemed an exploit but hardly game mechanics if this is how it was done
wtf?
Do you think he was npcing with it in his offtime?
Nublet!
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:46:00 -
[278]
Originally by: nync ASCN titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away , killed by BOD ready for it. D2 titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away, killed by BOD ready for it.
Isn't getting a bit odd...
You guys dont have a prober on hand ready to scan for something special? We do. Killing people who log in combat or craash is much more fun then killing them in a fight. ^_^ -----
$Forum + $Bob + $Devs == $ForumPostCount+++++; |
Alice Cholmondeley
Christine.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:47:00 -
[279]
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: Amerame
Originally by: Exelsior
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: NOObbody
Originally by: dabster The sad part is i feel so convinced some kind of exploit was abused to get this done, if its true.
and an ccp official congratulated them in local... how surprising
This is the most disturbing part of the whole thing. Were they there to congratulate RAGOON. Uhm nope. I guess recent events just dont matter to CCP.
So you're telling me that killing a POS that is producing a titan somehow compares to killing an actual titan?
It's like comparing the difficulty of killing a baby in a womb to killing a full grown man.
No what I was saying, Fanboi, is that CCP should not be handy out congrats to anyone especially not BOD after recent events. Its just plain stupid and a blatant show for favoritism.
No it isn't, they would do it for every one, they can't help it bobbits are better then you. |
Helina Malinos
Caldari Euro Traders
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:47:00 -
[280]
Originally by: turumbor bob haxx again it seems...
Funny how all the retards in EVE blaim there failures on greater people abilitys.
Stop with the hax crap as it's old and boaring unlike d2 titan that will be forever young.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:47:00 -
[281]
It would be really good for the whole anti-BoB mob if the Titan kill was not legit, you know... all band against the cheaters.
It would thus be really good for D2 and the Titan pilot's ego if it wasn't the fault of the Titan pilot's actions, but yet another exploit.... -
- One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them. |
Zell
Caldari The Black Raptors
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:47:00 -
[282]
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: NOObbody
Originally by: dabster The sad part is i feel so convinced some kind of exploit was abused to get this done, if its true.
and an ccp official congratulated them in local... how surprising
This is the most disturbing part of the whole thing. Were they there to congratulate RAGOON. Uhm nope. I guess recent events just dont matter to CCP.
Yea, they did let that whole year and a half RA complex exploiting thing slide didn't they...
I wonder if RA has dipped into the funds they actually legitimately earned yet?
Ginger Magician is just a nublet. I've met more people ingame that have laughed about him, than anyone else in Eve.
A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once.. |
Cupdeez
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:48:00 -
[283]
Originally by: Exelsior
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: NOObbody
Originally by: dabster The sad part is i feel so convinced some kind of exploit was abused to get this done, if its true.
and an ccp official congratulated them in local... how surprising
This is the most disturbing part of the whole thing. Were they there to congratulate RAGOON. Uhm nope. I guess recent events just dont matter to CCP.
So you're telling me that killing a POS that is producing a titan somehow compares to killing an actual titan?
It's like comparing the difficulty of killing a baby in a womb to killing a full grown man.
Yes the POS shoots back where a dread that didn't lose aggro for 3 hours can't do anything..
Sounds about right
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kill0rbunny
Caldari Chimera Intelligence Agency
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:49:00 -
[284]
Originally by: nync ASCN titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away , killed by BOD ready for it. D2 titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away, killed by BOD ready for it.
Isn't getting a bit odd...
Smells fishy indeed -
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Macro KillerCEO
Macro KillerZ
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:49:00 -
[285]
Originally by: Dekiri It is EXTREMLY fishy... I don't believe 1 seconds that the same stuff happened to another guy unless BoB uses some sort of hack/exploit.
After recent happenings and knowing how well CYVOKS titan death was published and explained i do not believe one seconds that it was a legit kill.
If it was a legit kill grats DŠ for a stupid pilot and if it wasn't then CCP should really take some SERIOUS action.
DDoS attack
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T Marvin
U-96
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:50:00 -
[286]
Nice one! Grats!
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Jake Noble
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:50:00 -
[287]
Originally by: Eversor Another BoB "dubious" Titan kill, with a rather "quick" GM response for bookmarking of wreck.
Emm... GM's are in system in all these major fights in jv1v it was reported to have EIGHT Gm's in and around jv1v.
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Mindlles
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:50:00 -
[288]
So bob was h4xing becouse d2 did what the do best? Logg off??
"take it with glimpz in the eye =)"
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Helina Malinos
Caldari Euro Traders
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:51:00 -
[289]
Originally by: kill0rbunny
Originally by: nync ASCN titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away , killed by BOD ready for it. D2 titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away, killed by BOD ready for it.
Isn't getting a bit odd...
Smells fishy indeed
One So does your mam but no need to drag her into this is there.
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batloard
Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:51:00 -
[290]
Originally by: Exelsior
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: NOObbody
Originally by: dabster The sad part is i feel so convinced some kind of exploit was abused to get this done, if its true.
and an ccp official congratulated them in local... how surprising
This is the most disturbing part of the whole thing. Were they there to congratulate RAGOON. Uhm nope. I guess recent events just dont matter to CCP.
So you're telling me that killing a POS that is producing a titan somehow compares to killing an actual titan?
It's like comparing the difficulty of killing a baby in a womb to killing a full grown man.
what if the baby in the womb has 300 people defending it?
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Alice Cholmondeley
Christine.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:51:00 -
[291]
Originally by: Jake Noble
Originally by: Eversor Another BoB "dubious" Titan kill, with a rather "quick" GM response for bookmarking of wreck.
Emm... GM's are in system in all these major fights in jv1v it was reported to have EIGHT Gm's in and around jv1v.
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hUssmann
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:52:00 -
[292]
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Phoenix Lonestar > Server lag was non-existant pre Dragon.
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:52:00 -
[293]
Originally by: Mindlles So bob was h4xing becouse d2 did what the do best? Logg off??
"take it with glimpz in the eye =)"
Rumour has it the D2 titan was sat in a POS for 3 hours without aggro. Waiting for some kind of statement from anyone tbfh.
Originally by: Ice Conch In soviet russia, soap drops you!
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Zell
Caldari The Black Raptors
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:52:00 -
[294]
Originally by: batloard
Originally by: Exelsior
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: NOObbody
Originally by: dabster The sad part is i feel so convinced some kind of exploit was abused to get this done, if its true.
and an ccp official congratulated them in local... how surprising
This is the most disturbing part of the whole thing. Were they there to congratulate RAGOON. Uhm nope. I guess recent events just dont matter to CCP.
So you're telling me that killing a POS that is producing a titan somehow compares to killing an actual titan?
It's like comparing the difficulty of killing a baby in a womb to killing a full grown man.
what if the baby in the womb has 300 people defending it?
but the defenders couldn't get in the room because the killer locked all the doors?
Ginger Magician is just a nublet. I've met more people ingame that have laughed about him, than anyone else in Eve.
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Ben Hump
Minmatar The Kru
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:53:00 -
[295]
Originally by: nync ASCN titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away , killed by BOD ready for it. D2 titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away, killed by BOD ready for it.
Isn't getting a bit odd...
well when u look at the noobs that fly the ships i'd say no Congrats BoB give em hell (yes i'm bob's no 1 fanboi)
May contain traces of irony, period and enter do not belong on my keyboard "Yes Mister Tristan"
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turnschuh
Eye of God
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:53:00 -
[296]
sleipnir prices will skyrock :p
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THONKLA
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:53:00 -
[297]
So What ..its a Ship.. big one yes , But still a ship ..not more
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Dekiri
Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:54:00 -
[298]
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr It would be really good for the whole anti-BoB mob if the Titan kill was not legit, you know... all band against the cheaters.
It would thus be really good for D2 and the Titan pilot's ego if it wasn't the fault of the Titan pilot's actions, but yet another exploit....
Tbh i really do not care much about DŠ assets and it will not change the outcome of the war much. They are of limited use. But you got to be kidding me if you really don't have your own doubts about this one.
I don't think BoB are all cheaters, but it is really getting a bit much now don't you think?
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Victor Vision
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:54:00 -
[299]
Originally by: Exelsior So you're telling me that killing a POS that is producing a titan somehow compares to killing an actual titan?
Actually killing a fetus Titan plus the Capital Shipyards it was in looks to be at very least on par with 'just' killing a Titan.
Originally by: Bellon (Shinra, LV) Goonswarm (the 1000+ fleet) got EXACTLY what they wanted ... and we are dying.
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bartoch
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:54:00 -
[300]
is It the only solution for kill a titan ? Make crash the pilote and kill it offline ? CCP can you explain that ? |
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Archonon
Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:54:00 -
[301]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: nync ASCN titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away , killed by BOD ready for it. D2 titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away, killed by BOD ready for it.
Isn't getting a bit odd...
You guys dont have a prober on hand ready to scan for something special? We do. Killing people who log in combat or craash is much more fun then killing them in a fight. ^_^
More fun ? then play offline u'll have a lot of fun at ur sense. BoD probe a disconnected ship and kill it, no need a thread. _______________________
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Archonon
Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:54:00 -
[302]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: nync ASCN titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away , killed by BOD ready for it. D2 titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away, killed by BOD ready for it.
Isn't getting a bit odd...
You guys dont have a prober on hand ready to scan for something special? We do. Killing people who log in combat or craash is much more fun then killing them in a fight. ^_^
More fun ? then play offline u'll have a lot of fun at ur sense. BoD probe a disconnected ship and kill it, no need a thread. _______________________
Exitus Acta Probat |
Atreus Minmatarius
Fatalix Inc. Schism.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:55:00 -
[303]
Titan logs off with agro timer, dies... 2 times now
question:
Where is the titan's supporting fleet?????
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Atreus Minmatarius
Fatalix Inc. Schism.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:55:00 -
[304]
Titan logs off with agro timer, dies... 2 times now
question:
Where is the titan's supporting fleet?????
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:56:00 -
[305]
Edited by: Boliknar on 16/02/2007 18:52:24
Originally by: Empyre
Originally by: Cupdeez It is true BOD killed D2's titan...
He lost connection and could not relog...
go figure BOD would get everyone of these titan kills on some kind of loggoff.
Well its a big loss but as you can see with whats going on with LV it does not matter about titan it matters about the will to win. LV can't stop us because we don't relay on 1 ship although they do..
We do it as a team!!
is it always an exploit when you or an ally lose, but flawless cooperation and tactic when you win?
Pretty much yes and I am glad you notice it too.
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Amerame
Section XIII
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:56:00 -
[306]
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius Titan logs off with agro timer, dies... 2 times now
question:
Where is the titan's supporting fleet?????
You're supposed to have 50+ capitals 500 people fleet ready to probe & assist every time you log off your titan, just in case ?
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:56:00 -
[307]
Edited by: Boliknar on 16/02/2007 18:52:24
Originally by: Empyre
Originally by: Cupdeez It is true BOD killed D2's titan...
He lost connection and could not relog...
go figure BOD would get everyone of these titan kills on some kind of loggoff.
Well its a big loss but as you can see with whats going on with LV it does not matter about titan it matters about the will to win. LV can't stop us because we don't relay on 1 ship although they do..
We do it as a team!!
is it always an exploit when you or an ally lose, but flawless cooperation and tactic when you win?
Pretty much yes and I am glad you notice it too.
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Amerame
Section XIII
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:56:00 -
[308]
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius Titan logs off with agro timer, dies... 2 times now
question:
Where is the titan's supporting fleet?????
You're supposed to have 50+ capitals 500 people fleet ready to probe & assist every time you log off your titan, just in case ?
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:57:00 -
[309]
Originally by: Exelsior
So you're telling me that killing a POS that is producing a titan somehow compares to killing an actual titan?
It's like comparing the difficulty of killing a baby in a womb to killing a full grown man.
though your example sounds absolute stupid (sorry) it's more like "killing a full grown man that is unconscious" ___________________
-Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
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Herculite
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:57:00 -
[310]
This just in.....
Aluminum foil sales have skyrocketed across Europe!
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Attak
Trioptimum FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:57:00 -
[311]
Seems so wrong that an asset worth so much in isk, time, and manpower can be lost through bad game mechanics. Here's to hoping BoB loses the first titan in actual combat (like it actually has mods active).
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ArcheryTXS
Russian SOBR Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:57:00 -
[312]
Originally by: TARREX CCP or BOB kill the titan ?
Who cares ? :D
Originally by: Smokie245
Originally by: Ohmite Are we sure this was killed by "good tactics" rather then exploits ctd etc
Did the node crash only 4 some people and others didnt!!!!
What are the "real facts" not just the propaganda
Dont be silly we know BoB doesnt cheat or exploit, the GM's and Devs told us so ..
Is there any ISP that gives ya some kind off Anti[B.0.B] protection/firewall ?? Or CCP.up-link connection with no disconnects ? :) WTB one.
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:57:00 -
[313]
Originally by: Exelsior
So you're telling me that killing a POS that is producing a titan somehow compares to killing an actual titan?
It's like comparing the difficulty of killing a baby in a womb to killing a full grown man.
though your example sounds absolute stupid (sorry) it's more like "killing a full grown man that is unconscious" ___________________
-Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
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Herculite
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:57:00 -
[314]
This just in.....
Aluminum foil sales have skyrocketed across Europe!
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Attak
Trioptimum FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:57:00 -
[315]
Seems so wrong that an asset worth so much in isk, time, and manpower can be lost through bad game mechanics. Here's to hoping BoB loses the first titan in actual combat (like it actually has mods active).
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ArcheryTXS
Russian SOBR Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:57:00 -
[316]
Originally by: TARREX CCP or BOB kill the titan ?
Who cares ? :D
Originally by: Smokie245
Originally by: Ohmite Are we sure this was killed by "good tactics" rather then exploits ctd etc
Did the node crash only 4 some people and others didnt!!!!
What are the "real facts" not just the propaganda
Dont be silly we know BoB doesnt cheat or exploit, the GM's and Devs told us so ..
Is there any ISP that gives ya some kind off Anti[B.0.B] protection/firewall ?? Or CCP.up-link connection with no disconnects ? :) WTB one.
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Di Jiensai
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:58:00 -
[317]
Originally by: Shadowsword - In 2004, Annihillus lose his well-fitted CNR (one of the firsts in-game) to Bob, after an unwilling disconnection.
- In the Bob-FA war, the FA TS server is regulary targeted by Denial of Service attacks.
- In 2006, Cyvok lose his Titan after a disconnection. Rumors of DoS attack or a similar trick start flying around not even 30 minutes after the Titan is down. The accepted version is that he forgot about an aggro timer, but Cyvok is a veteran, and this isn't the kind of things you forget often.
- Early 2007, D2 lose his Titan in what seems to be similar conditions.
The above are facts.
I'm waiting for the testimony of the D2 Titan pilot, before I form an opinion on this "event"...
Spys on TS = Ip address of Titan Pilot.
root#>./ddos.sh --address Titan Pilot --zombies 150 --network evehaxxorbotnet
2 times the same thing? i dont know. Sounds very strange. at least.
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kill0rbunny
Caldari Chimera Intelligence Agency
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:58:00 -
[318]
Edited by: kill0rbunny on 16/02/2007 18:54:47
Originally by: Helina Malinos
Originally by: kill0rbunny
Originally by: nync ASCN titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away , killed by BOD ready for it. D2 titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away, killed by BOD ready for it.
Isn't getting a bit odd...
Smells fishy indeed
One So does your mam but no need to drag her into this is there.
Too dumb to flame in correct spelling. Bad reputation for your corp.
14 year olds should better play wow. -
I got a portrait now, wheeeee! \o/
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d4ve
InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:58:00 -
[319]
if it's a legit kill, congrats to BoB. you always have to be on your toes when fighting them.
the really sad thing is tho as a CA member already posted. first thought is "sploit?" i could kindof understand a titan pilot doing it once.. but two times in a row?? comeon... ___
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Korr E'Hahnah
Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:58:00 -
[320]
Quote: is it always an exploit when you or an ally lose, but flawless cooperation and tactic when you win?
Unfortunately, this is what tainted honor by having been caught cheating does... makes everything suspect, eve if clean.
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Di Jiensai
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:58:00 -
[321]
Originally by: Shadowsword - In 2004, Annihillus lose his well-fitted CNR (one of the firsts in-game) to Bob, after an unwilling disconnection.
- In the Bob-FA war, the FA TS server is regulary targeted by Denial of Service attacks.
- In 2006, Cyvok lose his Titan after a disconnection. Rumors of DoS attack or a similar trick start flying around not even 30 minutes after the Titan is down. The accepted version is that he forgot about an aggro timer, but Cyvok is a veteran, and this isn't the kind of things you forget often.
- Early 2007, D2 lose his Titan in what seems to be similar conditions.
The above are facts.
I'm waiting for the testimony of the D2 Titan pilot, before I form an opinion on this "event"...
Spys on TS = Ip address of Titan Pilot.
root#>./ddos.sh --address Titan Pilot --zombies 150 --network evehaxxorbotnet
2 times the same thing? i dont know. Sounds very strange. at least.
--- Just my personal thoughts. nothing to do with my alliance or corp. blabla. |
kill0rbunny
Caldari Chimera Intelligence Agency
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:58:00 -
[322]
Edited by: kill0rbunny on 16/02/2007 18:58:53 Edited by: kill0rbunny on 16/02/2007 18:54:47
Originally by: Helina Malinos
Originally by: kill0rbunny
Originally by: nync ASCN titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away , killed by BOD ready for it. D2 titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away, killed by BOD ready for it.
Isn't getting a bit odd...
Smells fishy indeed
One So does your mam but no need to drag her into this is there.
Too dumb to flame in correct spelling. Bad reputation for your corp.
14 year olds should better play wow.
EDIT: Oh you're a 2007 nublet or alt. So... -
I got a portrait now, wheeeee! \o/
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d4ve
InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:58:00 -
[323]
if it's a legit kill, congrats to BoB. you always have to be on your toes when fighting them.
the really sad thing is tho as a CA member already posted. first thought is "sploit?" i could kindof understand a titan pilot doing it once.. but two times in a row?? comeon... ___
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Korr E'Hahnah
Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:58:00 -
[324]
Quote: is it always an exploit when you or an ally lose, but flawless cooperation and tactic when you win?
Unfortunately, this is what tainted honor by having been caught cheating does... makes everything suspect, eve if clean.
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:59:00 -
[325]
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius Titan logs off with agro timer, dies... 2 times now
question:
Where is the titan's supporting fleet?????
No support fleet needed when you're sitting at a POS doing nothing.
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Rahn Sohwant
Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:59:00 -
[326]
Originally by: Exelsior
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: NOObbody
Originally by: dabster The sad part is i feel so convinced some kind of exploit was abused to get this done, if its true.
and an ccp official congratulated them in local... how surprising
This is the most disturbing part of the whole thing. Were they there to congratulate RAGOON. Uhm nope. I guess recent events just dont matter to CCP.
So you're telling me that killing a POS that is producing a titan somehow compares to killing an actual titan?
It's like comparing the difficulty of killing a baby in a womb to killing a full grown man.
I assure you, you would find it more difficult to kill a baby in, say, my wife's womb, than to kill a full grown man who had passed out in the gutter.
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:59:00 -
[327]
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius Titan logs off with agro timer, dies... 2 times now
question:
Where is the titan's supporting fleet?????
No support fleet needed when you're sitting at a POS doing nothing.
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Rahn Sohwant
Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 18:59:00 -
[328]
Originally by: Exelsior
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: NOObbody
Originally by: dabster The sad part is i feel so convinced some kind of exploit was abused to get this done, if its true.
and an ccp official congratulated them in local... how surprising
This is the most disturbing part of the whole thing. Were they there to congratulate RAGOON. Uhm nope. I guess recent events just dont matter to CCP.
So you're telling me that killing a POS that is producing a titan somehow compares to killing an actual titan?
It's like comparing the difficulty of killing a baby in a womb to killing a full grown man.
I assure you, you would find it more difficult to kill a baby in, say, my wife's womb, than to kill a full grown man who had passed out in the gutter.
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whejl
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:00:00 -
[329]
If you are a CCP database admin, shouldn't you be the one person in the whole of eve not needing to bookmark the spot to know where it went down?
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quellious
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:00:00 -
[330]
If anyone had doubt about massive cheating ...
That just another reason to remove all BoD from this game. -
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Shiwan Khan
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:00:00 -
[331]
That sucks. A titan is indeed a big loss, but it will not change the course of the war. I know for a fact that D2 have a very strong resolve, a resolve that will not be shaken by this loss. They will continue to crash against the banks that is bob and co, until they are eroded and become part of the sands of time. ____________________________________________
AEKDB |
Noluck Ned
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:00:00 -
[332]
What a week!
F4T4L - Recruitment |
whejl
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:00:00 -
[333]
If you are a CCP database admin, shouldn't you be the one person in the whole of eve not needing to bookmark the spot to know where it went down?
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quellious
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:00:00 -
[334]
If anyone had doubt about massive cheating ...
That just another reason to remove all BoD from this game. -
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Shiwan Khan
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:00:00 -
[335]
That sucks. A titan is indeed a big loss, but it will not change the course of the war. I know for a fact that D2 have a very strong resolve, a resolve that will not be shaken by this loss. They will continue to crash against the banks that is bob and co, until they are eroded and become part of the sands of time. ____________________________________________
AEKDB |
Noluck Ned
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:00:00 -
[336]
What a week!
F4T4L - Recruitment |
Atreus Minmatarius
Fatalix Inc. Schism.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:02:00 -
[337]
Originally by: Amerame
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius Titan logs off with agro timer, dies... 2 times now
question:
Where is the titan's supporting fleet?????
You're supposed to have 50+ capitals 500 people fleet ready to probe & assist every time you log off your titan, just in case ?
uh YES, we talking about a TITAN not a battleship. I think it was a fair question if anyone can answer it pls do.
Was the rest of the gang in system? Did everyone Log off at the same time? The TITAN was by itself?
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Zell
Caldari The Black Raptors
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:02:00 -
[338]
Originally by: quellious If anyone had doubt about massive cheating ...
That just another reason to remove all BoD from this game.
Like they did with Ra and the complex xploits? oh wait...
Ginger Magician is just a nublet. I've met more people ingame that have laughed about him, than anyone else in Eve.
A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once.. |
whisk
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:02:00 -
[339]
Contrats to D2 for the extensive use of this amazing ship, oh wait.
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LePrince
Gallente Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:02:00 -
[340]
Sad news for D2. Nobody said Titans are build to last forever, one down and a few more to go. D2 will most likely bring replacement Titan, life goes on and now D2 are ****ed which can only make them fight harder. Keep going D2!
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Helox
Gallente Demonic Retribution Pure.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:02:00 -
[341]
Originally by: Di Jiensai
Spys on TS = Ip address of Titan Pilot.
root#>./ddos.sh --address Titan Pilot --zombies 150 --network evehaxxorbotnet
2 times the same thing? i dont know. Sounds very strange. at least.
Paranoid as can be, but certainly A LOT more plausible than CCP actually banning the pilots IP.
(Apart from that script though... NEVER log in as root ) -- the above is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect that of the little voices in my head
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zr0ekool
Amarr eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:02:00 -
[342]
Edited by: zr0ekool on 16/02/2007 18:59:09
Originally by: nync ASCN titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away , killed by BOD ready for it. D2 titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away, killed by BOD ready for it.
Isn't getting a bit odd...
only smart post in this whole thread
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Ordinaire
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:02:00 -
[343]
Originally by: whejl If you are a CCP database admin, shouldn't you be the one person in the whole of eve not needing to bookmark the spot to know where it went down?
It was an event/ISD person. - D2 alt ---------- Those I deem unworthy, shall fall down on their knees before me and call me king Ordinaire! |
Cupdeez
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:04:00 -
[344]
It should be easy look on the D2 killboard when he used his DD then when he died.. If its more then 17 mins then an exploit was sued and the titan should be returned..
Of BoD members some how go this IP and did a Dos attack that would not suprise me but how did they get his IP? Mmaybe from a dev but this prob could not be proven by CCP or anyone else.
Link to the D2 killboards plz?
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Josefine Dark
FireTech Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:04:00 -
[345]
smells fishy.... Titanpilot sitting several hours at apos doin' nothing.. jumping fleet a dozen of jumps out and logs (with definate no aggro) and BOB CAPFleef logs in right into the right system and has a agrroed logged off D2 Titan?!
strange thing....
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Hatsim
Black Lance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:04:00 -
[346]
When i first started playing this craptastic game early may 2003... there was alot of ppl using that shiet old GRid exploit... ppl got warned things got fixed but the ppl who did it is some members of BoB... wont name them and i really dont care..
Thing is that ppl are still using exploits like the one used to kill the titan today!
AND DONT THINK CCP WILL BAN THEM!
no cus its legit to use exploit if you are BoB MC or what ever puppets there is
im starting to get ****ed of when i see this **** from a GM ... http://freenet-homepage.de/winchip2/2007.02.16.18.19.49.PNG
or that things are very wicked about killing Supercapitals with no pilot to pilot it...
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Jelek Coro
Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:04:00 -
[347]
Congratulations!!!
I see the tin foil hat brigade are already hard at work.....
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Itzena
Amarr OtakuDyne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:05:00 -
[348]
Originally by: Sentinel Eeex So, non-BoB Titan pilots love to logoff with aggro timer.
Or Titan pilot was online this time?
That's because BoB knew how to keep the aggro timer up past the fifteen minutes long before the rest of EVE did.
Interesting, no? -- I want my people to reclaim their rightful place in the galaxy... I want a rebirth of glory, a renaissance of power... I want us to be what we used to be. |
Halloitsme
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:14:00 -
[349]
Originally by: Hatsim When i first started playing this craptastic game early may 2003... there was alot of ppl using that shiet old GRid exploit... ppl got warned things got fixed but the ppl who did it is some members of BoB... wont name them and i really dont care..
Thing is that ppl are still using exploits like the one used to kill the titan today!
AND DONT THINK CCP WILL BAN THEM!
no cus its legit to use exploit if you are BoB MC or what ever puppets there is
im starting to get ****ed of when i see this **** from a GM ... http://freenet-homepage.de/winchip2/2007.02.16.18.19.49.PNG
or that things are very wicked about killing Supercapitals with no pilot to pilot it...
!!!!!!!!!!!!1
It's legit to use exploit if you're AAA or Red alliance, all your **** logoffski/logonski and your year long exploiting of the 50 minute respawning overseer of the 8/10 angel complex, HAH, YEAH YOU'VE REALLY GOT ROOM TO TALK ABOUT OTHERS EXPLOITING!
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:14:00 -
[350]
This smells very fishy.
Especially since Cyvok's titan went down the same way. That are too many coincidents.
I am waiting for a D2 statement.
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Assassin 2
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:14:00 -
[351]
if you ask me - total and utter bollox.
CCP really need to be sorting this out and pronto. As for BoB rumour has it they used the wreck exploit which is lame, all we can expect really :) anyhow, D2 wont need to let this get em down Erebus should be back soon.
Keep up the fighting guys
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Divus
Hybrid Syndicate Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:15:00 -
[352]
Edited by: Divus on 16/02/2007 19:15:34
dejavue
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Valeo Galaem
InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:15:00 -
[353]
Originally by: whejl
Originally by: Ordinaire
Originally by: whejl If you are a CCP database admin, shouldn't you be the one person in the whole of eve not needing to bookmark the spot to know where it went down?
It was an event/ISD person.
Why would a event/ISD person lie about his titles? - http://freenet-homepage.de/winchip2/2007.02.16.18.19.49.PNG I was also under the impression DEVS and ISD use different text colors but that is just speculation drom my part.
Yah, ISD are in Green, Devs are in Blue.
The reason he probably had to go in game to get a "bookmark" if he meant that in the in game sense, was because ship wrecks are probably kept in a volatile database versus a static one. It was probably easier to go in game to conform its position than to sort through the active game database.
But I hear that D2 got the titan back, so this whole thing might just be irrelevant now.
Thar be Pirates
You are not authorised to hack into CONCORD's mainframe Your Wallet has been emptied!
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Fransis Drakke
Minmatar Manada de Lobos
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:15:00 -
[354]
wreck xploit.... b3333p!
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Waxau
Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:15:00 -
[355]
Dear lord, you are all soooo paranoid!
You constantly have these suspicions, yet you have Devs playing under your noses, in your alliances for all you know!
The only difference is bob were unlucky and had a bad experience with a dev member. Dont start making stupid accusations you CANT back up. Geez.
Fact is, Eve is NOT built yet to handle such large combat. You imagine how hard it is to log into jita. Now imagine logging into Jita, if everyone is shooting everyone. Now imagine it, on a server/node a fraction of the size.
Now how about you rethink, and think about it logically eh?
~Nubs. Total Nubs
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:15:00 -
[356]
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I smell fish.
I smell a hacker in your alliance.
All his accounts were banned. And he's not nearly as malicious as digitalcommunist.
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Pika Chu
Caldari Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:15:00 -
[357]
Originally by: Boliknar
Ok so fine that "might" have been why he was there. Why then did he feel the overwhelming desire to congratulate BOB in local for all participiants to to see.
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Shadoo
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:16:00 -
[358]
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I smell fish.
I smell a hacker in your alliance.
I smell a BoD alt.
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joshua cane
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:16:00 -
[359]
Edited by: joshua cane on 16/02/2007 19:13:33 one more time BoD has no honor
bob are not capable to kill a titan when the pilot is online
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Plim
Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:16:00 -
[360]
Originally by: Mortuus Good job BoB.
To all the naysayers, I've fought against everyone in EvE, and when it comes down to understanding the game BoB are on top.
Well done, hope you drive D2 kicking and screaming out of your regions. Because unlike most people in game, you've earned them.
Well that makes sense since they programmed it \o/ -----------------
Originally by: BoB forum PR Toxic sludge is good for you.
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jatkot
Caldari S-44 Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:16:00 -
[361]
Originally by: Cupdeez It is true BOD killed D2's titan...
He lost connection and could not relog...
go figure BOD would get everyone of these titan kills on some kind of loggoff.
Well its a big loss but as you can see with whats going on with LV it does not matter about titan it matters about the will to win. LV can't stop us because we don't relay on 1 ship although they do..
We do it as a team!!
and Im not even surprised he lost connection. Specially when he's in a titan. I wonder how that happen? MissS on jatkot? |
ReaperOfSly
Gallente Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:16:00 -
[362]
Ouch for D2. The last alliance that lost a titan fell to pieces. I wonder if history will repeat itself. --------------------------------------------------------------------
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Reknaw A'ru
Minmatar 11th Hussars
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:17:00 -
[363]
Reading about how they managed to keep the guy aggroed I would not slap yourselves too heartily on the back. THIS titan surely is a REAL case for reimbursement.
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Bon Ali
Bon's Ecological Recycling
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:17:00 -
[364]
Originally by: Mortuus and when it comes down to understanding the game BoB are on top.
Yea, its almost like they had a dev leading their cap ship fleet or something, oh wai...
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Empyre
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:17:00 -
[365]
aww, how cute.. all the mighty "coalition" folks are now crying exploit.. after they logged off folks in JV1V (and admitted it), used a spy to infiltrate the enemies voice comms (and admitted it).. they got their POS w/ Titan kill..
now that BoB returned to defend their space (something they were asking them to do in the first place or they'd get wiped out) and kill an enemy titan, they are exploiting.. because there is no way a pilot would log off to try and save their ship.
classy guys.. really classy. you almost had me believing for a second at the start of the JV1V confrontation that you actually looked forward to a fair fight.
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Jon Hawkes
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:17:00 -
[366]
This moment is so amazing... I just think I may have to have sex with it...
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Attak
Trioptimum FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:17:00 -
[367]
I was going to quote the picture with the admin congratulating BoB on the kill, but it looks like the post got deleted
What's really funny is how Shrike says that it was a "well executed plan". If the titan had been sitting in a POS for hours, exactly what sort of "plan" was used to get the pilot DCed and aggro flagged?
omg, /hattage!
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Le Skunk
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:17:00 -
[368]
This game is becoming more and more terd
Unforntuantaly i am hooked
SKUNK My speeeling is my own and dos not represant the Privateer Corporation or Privateer alliance who incidentally are recruting pilots and corporations - Evemail me for details |
Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:18:00 -
[369]
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: Avernus
Originally by: AMD383
http://freenet-homepage.de/winchip2/2007.02.16.18.19.49.PNG
Looking at the above screenshot, I notice that the CCP employee is a Database Admin. If people are wondering why he showed up on the scene as fast as he did, I would say that the most logical and simple answer is normally the correct one.
$10 says that the destruction of a titan is a flagged event in the database and brought to the attention of the Database Admins. On the same note, I'm guessing that there is no flag on the destruction of POS that gets sent to them... that would include a POS that are building Titans.
Congrats on the kill BoB.
Ok so fine that "might" have been why he was there. Why then did he feel the overwhelming desire to congratulate BOB in local for all participiants to to see.
Look closer, he says 'congrats to all involved'. That includes D2, the titan pilot, and everyone in system. Titan deaths are landmark events; winner or loser, you've just been marked down in Eve history for being there.
Paranoia is so rampant around anything related to BoB, that even the most innocent of remarks are jumped on these days. I'll make a further bet that the Database Admin who showed up and commented very briefly had zero intentions of causing any offense.
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Biggus Tankus
Minmatar Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:18:00 -
[370]
Edited by: Biggus Tankus on 16/02/2007 19:15:10 Edited by: Biggus Tankus on 16/02/2007 19:14:54 So lets see, we're 12 pages in and already everyone has been blaming BoB for haxing and generally cheating. Get over yourselves, you can't keep covering up ineptitude with what will be the same excuse rolled out for the next 6 months while you shoot BoB. D2 lost the titan through no ones fault but their own.
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:18:00 -
[371]
Edited by: Boliknar on 16/02/2007 19:15:11
Originally by: Mortuus Good job BoB.
To all the naysayers, I've fought against everyone in EvE, and when it comes down to understanding the game BoB are on top.
Well done, hope you drive D2 kicking and screaming out of your regions. Because unlike most people in game, you've earned them.
Why is it when they use bad game mechanics and wreck exploits they simply "know" the game better than most. It a joke and to have a CCP employee give them congrats for using said exploit? Well I wish i could say it is surprising ... sad part it isnt.
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Sheriff Badden
Amarr Legion Federation Amen Anera
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:19:00 -
[372]
why don't ppl just build carriers, aren't they big enough ?
ego ftl
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Ather Ialeas
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:19:00 -
[373]
Originally by: Itzena
Originally by: Sentinel Eeex So, non-BoB Titan pilots love to logoff with aggro timer.
Or Titan pilot was online this time?
That's because BoB knew how to keep the aggro timer up past the fifteen minutes long before the rest of EVE did.
Interesting, no?
It's the damn Passive Targeter. Tbh if any of those are found within the entire system that titan should be reimbursed, CCP could just rename that damn module to GM Haxor Ray II.
Oh and as for CYVOK's titan, it sure helps to have a GM disconnecting the pilot. Have fun with petitions on this one, BoD is also BoM and BoGM. --- Currently between places, sorry for any inconveniances this may cause. --- oh and sorry for the oversized sig pic...
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Itzena
Amarr OtakuDyne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:19:00 -
[374]
Originally by: Biggus Tankus Edited by: Biggus Tankus on 16/02/2007 19:14:54 D2 lost the titan through no ones fault but their own.
Proof or STFU. -- I want my people to reclaim their rightful place in the galaxy... I want a rebirth of glory, a renaissance of power... I want us to be what we used to be. |
jatkot
Caldari S-44 Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:19:00 -
[375]
Originally by: Omega Bloodstone The 2 titans BoB killed were crashed and not online..hmm...at least the one we killed was still in the womb and actually ingame, we got ours before she was born lol anywho, bounce back D2, dont let this DEVelope into a moral crusher. Pick your heads up and get back to pew pewing them...
I wanna know how innocent the tactic are? And if its any feature/bug-tactics from BOB side. Since we know its happen before *cough* MissS on jatkot? |
Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:20:00 -
[376]
Originally by: Biggus Tankus Edited by: Biggus Tankus on 16/02/2007 19:15:10 Edited by: Biggus Tankus on 16/02/2007 19:14:54 So lets see, we're 12 pages in and already everyone has been blaming BoB for haxing and generally cheating. Get over yourselves, you can't keep covering up ineptitude with what will be the same excuse rolled out for the next 6 months while you shoot BoB. D2 lost the titan through no ones fault but their own.
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Xelios
Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:20:00 -
[377]
I have a hard time believing this was done without exploiting a wreck to keep the aggro timer active, and if that's the case D2 should have their Titan replaced as I personally know several people who've been reimbursed for this tactic.
CCP can't expect someone to stay online until every wreck they generated times out, especially not when you can make a jump bridge to catch people even if they move to a safer system before logging.
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jatkot
Caldari S-44 Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:20:00 -
[378]
Originally by: Sheriff Badden why don't ppl just build carriers, aren't they big enough ?
ego ftl
Some are even smallen than a BS if you let them measure eachothers size in space!
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Plaetean
Blood Sweat and Tears
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:21:00 -
[379]
Edited by: Plaetean on 16/02/2007 19:24:44 hmm...
The D2 titan pilot would not have logged off with an agro timer..
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:21:00 -
[380]
Originally by: Avernus
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: Avernus
Originally by: AMD383
http://freenet-homepage.de/winchip2/2007.02.16.18.19.49.PNG
Looking at the above screenshot, I notice that the CCP employee is a Database Admin. If people are wondering why he showed up on the scene as fast as he did, I would say that the most logical and simple answer is normally the correct one.
$10 says that the destruction of a titan is a flagged event in the database and brought to the attention of the Database Admins. On the same note, I'm guessing that there is no flag on the destruction of POS that gets sent to them... that would include a POS that are building Titans.
Congrats on the kill BoB.
Ok so fine that "might" have been why he was there. Why then did he feel the overwhelming desire to congratulate BOB in local for all participiants to to see.
Look closer, he says 'congrats to all involved'. That includes D2, the titan pilot, and everyone in system. Titan deaths are landmark events; winner or loser, you've just been marked down in Eve history for being there.
Paranoia is so rampant around anything related to BoB, that even the most innocent of remarks are jumped on these days. I'll make a further bet that the Database Admin who showed up and commented very briefly had zero intentions of causing any offense.
Sadly enough its not paranoia once its been proven... It is simply prudent thinking.
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:21:00 -
[381]
I'd like some details from thos who actually know the facts, but the story that seems to be trickling forth sounds like:
1. Titan sat in POS for a long time to deaggro. 2. BoB used a (hello, pay attention here) known bug to keep it aggro'd. 3. Titan pilot eventually leaves for RL. 4. Empty Titan emergency warps out of the POS but sits in space for 15 mins thanks to buggy aggro timer. 5. BoB, waiting for this, hops in and blows it up.
So they're exploiting a known bug and the GM congratulates them for it rather than spanking them and getting the bug fixed? Why is that exactly?
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Cupdeez
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:22:00 -
[382]
Originally by: Mortuus Good job BoB.
To all the naysayers, I've fought against everyone in EvE, and when it comes down to understanding the game BoB are on top.
Well done, hope you drive D2 kicking and screaming out of your regions. Because unlike most people in game, you've earned them.
Yah cause the Dev tell them all the bugs and exploits... Been fighting BOB for a longtime and seen many many different ones they have used.
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AMD383
The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:22:00 -
[383]
Edited by: AMD383 on 16/02/2007 19:19:11 http://freenet-homepage.de/winchip2/time.PNG and hear whit time 5s for Shrike to replay!
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dfgdfgerdv
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:22:00 -
[384]
RED alliance and their friends exploits bugged plexes for years to earn trillions and goonies spam invites/convoes to lag people out and youre all *****ing about someone thats stupid enough to log out with aggro and call it exploit.. really brilliant guys.. youre all full of ****.
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Beyond Horizon
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:23:00 -
[385]
Originally by: Cupdeez
He lost connection and could not relog...
Wait, he actually had Internet Connection up and running?
Please confirm if that was the case ... if so ... HI DEVS! -
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jatkot
Caldari S-44 Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:23:00 -
[386]
Originally by: Biggus Tankus Edited by: Biggus Tankus on 16/02/2007 19:15:10 Edited by: Biggus Tankus on 16/02/2007 19:14:54 So lets see, we're 12 pages in and already everyone has been blaming BoB for haxing and generally cheating. Get over yourselves, you can't keep covering up ineptitude with what will be the same excuse rolled out for the next 6 months while you shoot BoB. D2 lost the titan through no ones fault but their own.
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PC5
ClanKillers
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:23:00 -
[387]
Edited by: PC5 on 16/02/2007 19:20:44 Well im not posting on those forums but this would be my 2nd post today.
I love EVE i love to fight etc etc. But if something is wrong i cant stay and do nothing.
I was in system where titan was killed. We returned to YZ-LQL to POS, there was info that we have little break before next action. We used of course jump bridge to move from 7BX etc. And shortly after that titan loged off. He didint had any agro AFAIK, we were sitting in POS for hours before that. After some minutes is POS my 'friend' from BOB told me that D2 titan is dead. No one on TS knew what happened, probably titan pilot didint know that too and FC.
Shortly after titan kill GM spawns... 18:07:00 is titan killmail timestamp.
[17:59:23] EVE System > Channel changed to YZ-LQL Local Channel [18:07:09] torpedo > boom [18:07:22] Asukiko > LOL [18:07:25] Kublai Khan > fofofo [18:17:53] Admiral Chamrajnagar > Congrags to all envolved [18:17:58] Shrike > Thank you. [18:18:04] Shrike > Well executed plan [18:18:17] Admiral Chamrajnagar > Titan wreck has been bookmarked for future permanent wrecks [18:18:19] Shrike > Props to Digitalcommunist who made it happen [18:18:25] Shrike > Thank you kind sir [18:18:32] Lady Vanquish > yeah... good job guys [18:18:43] Largo DuAquin > nice bug using [18:18:46] Lady Vanquish > i just logged in right when it happened
I dont know how did it happened that he was killed but i have 3 things to throw at some ppl. 1) Why 3 titan in game dies not in combat!? 2) Why did he had agression!? <- thats question for d2 FC also, but if they dont know... gues what. 3) Why BoB was able to shoot our carrier inside POS forcefield today and GM said some crap about force field password?
This game is geting worse with time. There are to many unanswered questions and to many speculations, its destroying this game for me and other ppl. Please CCP fix it.
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PC5
ClanKillers
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:23:00 -
[388]
Edited by: PC5 on 16/02/2007 19:20:44 Well im not posting on those forums but this would be my 2nd post today.
I love EVE i love to fight etc etc. But if something is wrong i cant stay and do nothing.
I was in system where titan was killed. We returned to YZ-LQL to POS, there was info that we have little break before next action. We used of course jump bridge to move from 7BX etc. And shortly after that titan loged off. He didint had any agro AFAIK, we were sitting in POS for hours before that. After some minutes is POS my 'friend' from BOB told me that D2 titan is dead. No one on TS knew what happened, probably titan pilot didint know that too and FC.
Shortly after titan kill GM spawns... 18:07:00 is titan killmail timestamp.
[17:59:23] EVE System > Channel changed to YZ-LQL Local Channel [18:07:09] torpedo > boom [18:07:22] Asukiko > LOL [18:07:25] Kublai Khan > fofofo [18:17:53] Admiral Chamrajnagar > Congrags to all envolved [18:17:58] Shrike > Thank you. [18:18:04] Shrike > Well executed plan [18:18:17] Admiral Chamrajnagar > Titan wreck has been bookmarked for future permanent wrecks [18:18:19] Shrike > Props to Digitalcommunist who made it happen [18:18:25] Shrike > Thank you kind sir [18:18:32] Lady Vanquish > yeah... good job guys [18:18:43] Largo DuAquin > nice bug using [18:18:46] Lady Vanquish > i just logged in right when it happened
I dont know how did it happened that he was killed but i have 3 things to throw at some ppl. 1) Why 3 titan in game dies not in combat!? 2) Why did he had agression!? <- thats question for d2 FC also, but if they dont know... gues what. 3) Why BoB was able to shoot our carrier inside POS forcefield today and GM said some crap about force field password?
This game is geting worse with time. There are to many unanswered questions and to many speculations, its destroying this game for me and other ppl. Please CCP fix it.
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Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:24:00 -
[389]
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: Avernus
Originally by: AMD383
http://freenet-homepage.de/winchip2/2007.02.16.18.19.49.PNG
Looking at the above screenshot, I notice that the CCP employee is a Database Admin. If people are wondering why he showed up on the scene as fast as he did, I would say that the most logical and simple answer is normally the correct one.
$10 says that the destruction of a titan is a flagged event in the database and brought to the attention of the Database Admins. On the same note, I'm guessing that there is no flag on the destruction of POS that gets sent to them... that would include a POS that are building Titans.
Congrats on the kill BoB.
Ok so fine that "might" have been why he was there. Why then did he feel the overwhelming desire to congratulate BOB in local for all participiants to to see.
Notification system not likely, well at least unless it was introduced recently. One question can rectify an answer for this wondering idea...when Cyvoc went down did a Dev pop in system immediently and congrat them? was one there...if not, then noone was notified...he was likely just there
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Dominixa
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:24:00 -
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I am suprised he didn't logoff with aggro based on the Number of Dusk and Dawn pilots doing so lately to save pods/ships.
Originally by: Mistress Suffering I'd like some details from thos who actually know the facts, but the story that seems to be trickling forth sounds like:
1. Titan sat in POS for a long time to deaggro. 2. BoB used a (hello, pay attention here) known bug to keep it aggro'd. 3. Titan pilot eventually leaves for RL. 4. Empty Titan emergency warps out of the POS but sits in space for 15 mins thanks to buggy aggro timer. 5. BoB, waiting for this, hops in and blows it up.
So they're exploiting a known bug and the GM congratulates them for it rather than spanking them and getting the bug fixed? Why is that exactly?
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Royaldo
Old Farts
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:24:00 -
[391]
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I smell fish.
I smell a hacker in your alliance.
All his accounts were banned. And he's not nearly as malicious as digitalcommunist.
oh? whats dc done?
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Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:24:00 -
[392]
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: Avernus
Originally by: AMD383
http://freenet-homepage.de/winchip2/2007.02.16.18.19.49.PNG
Looking at the above screenshot, I notice that the CCP employee is a Database Admin. If people are wondering why he showed up on the scene as fast as he did, I would say that the most logical and simple answer is normally the correct one.
$10 says that the destruction of a titan is a flagged event in the database and brought to the attention of the Database Admins. On the same note, I'm guessing that there is no flag on the destruction of POS that gets sent to them... that would include a POS that are building Titans.
Congrats on the kill BoB.
Ok so fine that "might" have been why he was there. Why then did he feel the overwhelming desire to congratulate BOB in local for all participiants to to see.
Notification system not likely, well at least unless it was introduced recently. One question can rectify an answer for this wondering idea...when Cyvoc went down did a Dev pop in system immediently and congrat them? was one there...if not, then noone was notified...he was likely just there
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Dominixa
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:24:00 -
[393]
I am suprised he didn't logoff with aggro based on the Number of Dusk and Dawn pilots doing so lately to save pods/ships.
Originally by: Mistress Suffering I'd like some details from thos who actually know the facts, but the story that seems to be trickling forth sounds like:
1. Titan sat in POS for a long time to deaggro. 2. BoB used a (hello, pay attention here) known bug to keep it aggro'd. 3. Titan pilot eventually leaves for RL. 4. Empty Titan emergency warps out of the POS but sits in space for 15 mins thanks to buggy aggro timer. 5. BoB, waiting for this, hops in and blows it up.
So they're exploiting a known bug and the GM congratulates them for it rather than spanking them and getting the bug fixed? Why is that exactly?
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Royaldo
Old Farts
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:24:00 -
[394]
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I smell fish.
I smell a hacker in your alliance.
All his accounts were banned. And he's not nearly as malicious as digitalcommunist.
oh? whats dc done?
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S'Beech
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:25:00 -
[395]
Edited by: S''Beech on 16/02/2007 19:22:20
Originally by: Helina Malinos
Originally by: kill0rbunny
Originally by: nync ASCN titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away , killed by BOD ready for it. D2 titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away, killed by BOD ready for it.
Isn't getting a bit odd...
Smells fishy indeed
One So does your mam but no need to drag her into this is there.
Oh dear KillOrNubbie!Please dont post anymore.You called AAA alts of ASCN the other day.You congratulated MC on killing an AAA MS and just now you called D2 loggers!Where are you getting your info and ideas from?
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Victor Vision
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:25:00 -
[396]
Edited by: Victor Vision on 16/02/2007 19:25:03 Edited by: Victor Vision on 16/02/2007 19:23:09
Originally by: Kaaln
Originally by: Shuriken Ertai Edited by: Shuriken Ertai on 16/02/2007 19:02:00 It was wreck exploit, and it will be reimbused.
Confirm?
Jiekon made a comment on shooting wrecks to provoke aggro timer in a thread unrelated to the current titan kill a while back:
Originally by: Jiekon Please send a bug report and file an exploit petition. As far as i am aware this should not happen.
So if the aggro-timer was gained through shooting at wrecks reimbursement seems likely.
Originally by: Bellon (Shinra, LV) Goonswarm (the 1000+ fleet) got EXACTLY what they wanted ... and we are dying.
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Mimio
Caldari Free Space Pilots aka Banderlogs Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:25:00 -
[397]
Gratz, CCP dev team. You are continue winning the game. ------------------------------------------------------- "RA is dead. It's official." (c) Lotka Volterra |
Red Crown
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:25:00 -
[398]
Edited by: Red Crown on 16/02/2007 19:23:26 Killing the fetus Titan - required roughly 8 hours of intense fighting, heavy casualties, much frustration and lag, not to mention the days of probing and failed attacks on the shipyards.
Judging from the pictures, I'd say there as no functioning pilot in the thing. For starters, its in open space. Classic E-Warp. For two, there are no supporting wrecks. If you just got jumped by the enemy capital fleet, your going to scream bloody murder. Not to mention, your calvary has time to get there, I'm sure a titan could tank that long.
Edit: Local picture shows hostiles...is it possible the pilot wasn't logged in and thats why they couldn't warp to help.
I hate to say it, but it looks like they pulled a 2nd CYVOK.
Not going to say much about how intensly fishy this whole CCP congratulation and how its happened twice now...etc...
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S'Beech
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:25:00 -
[399]
Edited by: S''Beech on 16/02/2007 19:35:13 Edited by: S''Beech on 16/02/2007 19:22:20
Originally by: Helina Malinos
Originally by: kill0rbunny
Originally by: nync ASCN titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away , killed by BOD ready for it. D2 titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away, killed by BOD ready for it.
Isn't getting a bit odd...
Smells fishy indeed
One So does your mam but no need to drag her into this is there.
!Please dont post anymore.You called AAA alts of ASCN the other day.You congratulated MC on killing an AAA MS and just now you called D2 loggers!Where are you getting your info and ideas from?
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Victor Vision
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:25:00 -
[400]
Edited by: Victor Vision on 16/02/2007 19:25:03 Edited by: Victor Vision on 16/02/2007 19:23:09
Originally by: Kaaln
Originally by: Shuriken Ertai Edited by: Shuriken Ertai on 16/02/2007 19:02:00 It was wreck exploit, and it will be reimbused.
Confirm?
Jiekon made a comment on shooting wrecks to provoke aggro timer in a thread unrelated to the current titan kill a while back:
Originally by: Jiekon Please send a bug report and file an exploit petition. As far as i am aware this should not happen.
So if the aggro-timer was gained through shooting at wrecks reimbursement seems likely.
Originally by: Bellon (Shinra, LV) Goonswarm (the 1000+ fleet) got EXACTLY what they wanted ... and we are dying.
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Mimio
Caldari Free Space Pilots aka Banderlogs Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:25:00 -
[401]
Gratz, CCP dev team. You are continue winning the game. ------------------------------------------------------- "RA is dead. It's official." (c) Lotka Volterra |
Red Crown
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:25:00 -
[402]
Edited by: Red Crown on 16/02/2007 19:23:26 Killing the fetus Titan - required roughly 8 hours of intense fighting, heavy casualties, much frustration and lag, not to mention the days of probing and failed attacks on the shipyards.
Judging from the pictures, I'd say there as no functioning pilot in the thing. For starters, its in open space. Classic E-Warp. For two, there are no supporting wrecks. If you just got jumped by the enemy capital fleet, your going to scream bloody murder. Not to mention, your calvary has time to get there, I'm sure a titan could tank that long.
Edit: Local picture shows hostiles...is it possible the pilot wasn't logged in and thats why they couldn't warp to help.
I hate to say it, but it looks like they pulled a 2nd CYVOK.
Not going to say much about how intensly fishy this whole CCP congratulation and how its happened twice now...etc...
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Pika Chu
Caldari Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:26:00 -
[403]
Edited by: Pika Chu on 16/02/2007 19:23:45
Originally by: PC5 Edited by: PC5 on 16/02/2007 19:20:44 Well im not posting on those forums but this would be my 2nd post today.
I love EVE i love to fight etc etc. But if something is wrong i cant stay and do nothing.
I was in system where titan was killed. We returned to YZ-LQL to POS, there was info that we have little break before next action. We used of course jump bridge to move from 7BX etc. And shortly after that titan loged off. He didint had any agro AFAIK, we were sitting in POS for hours before that. After some minutes is POS my 'friend' from BOB told me that D2 titan is dead. No one on TS knew what happened, probably titan pilot didint know that too and FC.
Does the jump bridge create an aggression timer?
EDIT: removed some of the quote as it was to big.
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Pika Chu
Caldari Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:26:00 -
[404]
Edited by: Pika Chu on 16/02/2007 19:23:45
Originally by: PC5 Edited by: PC5 on 16/02/2007 19:20:44 Well im not posting on those forums but this would be my 2nd post today.
I love EVE i love to fight etc etc. But if something is wrong i cant stay and do nothing.
I was in system where titan was killed. We returned to YZ-LQL to POS, there was info that we have little break before next action. We used of course jump bridge to move from 7BX etc. And shortly after that titan loged off. He didint had any agro AFAIK, we were sitting in POS for hours before that. After some minutes is POS my 'friend' from BOB told me that D2 titan is dead. No one on TS knew what happened, probably titan pilot didint know that too and FC.
Does the jump bridge create an aggression timer?
EDIT: removed some of the quote as it was to big.
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Tetsujin
Caldari Band of Brosefs GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:27:00 -
[405]
Originally by: Devil Hanzo
Please bug report this. There was a similar post yesterday too, with a guy losing a Raven after he logged off with no aggro timer. I think you might be on to something.
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Grimeh
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:27:00 -
[406]
Originally by: bartoch is It the only solution for kill a titan ? Make crash the pilote and kill it offline ? CCP can you explain that ?
Yes let me explain it for you, one of the BOD guys loaded up his Dev Client logged on to the server and ran an IP query on the titan pilot. He then changed entries in the database so that the Titan had an aggro timer.
next he logged on to the secret DDOS BoB net IRC server(aka bot net) on IRC an input the command /script DDoS kill *ip* and all the client connected to TQ at the time started to DOS the ip address (you know BoB have installed a backdoor trojan in eve client right?)
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Tetsujin
Caldari Band of Brosefs GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:27:00 -
[407]
Originally by: Devil Hanzo
Please bug report this. There was a similar post yesterday too, with a guy losing a Raven after he logged off with no aggro timer. I think you might be on to something.
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Grimeh
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:27:00 -
[408]
Originally by: bartoch is It the only solution for kill a titan ? Make crash the pilote and kill it offline ? CCP can you explain that ?
Yes let me explain it for you, one of the BOD guys loaded up his Dev Client logged on to the server and ran an IP query on the titan pilot. He then changed entries in the database so that the Titan had an aggro timer.
next he logged on to the secret DDOS BoB net IRC server(aka bot net) on IRC an input the command /script DDoS kill *ip* and all the client connected to TQ at the time started to DOS the ip address (you know BoB have installed a backdoor trojan in eve client right?)
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:28:00 -
[409]
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 16/02/2007 19:25:02
Originally by: Avernus
Look closer, he says 'congrats to all involved'. That includes D2, the titan pilot, and everyone in system. Titan deaths are landmark events; winner or loser, you've just been marked down in Eve history for being there.
There was no D2 involved. The Titan logged off from POS after 3 hours. He was then probed and Shrike jumpbridged a fleet on it.
You can see from the screen shots, there is no fight. So dont try and twist the words of the GM who just "happened" to be there into a postive statement.
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M Amis
Beach Bunnys
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:28:00 -
[410]
is it me or do some of our community seems alot like the mob in this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmF_yXQkVh0
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:28:00 -
[411]
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 16/02/2007 19:25:02
Originally by: Avernus
Look closer, he says 'congrats to all involved'. That includes D2, the titan pilot, and everyone in system. Titan deaths are landmark events; winner or loser, you've just been marked down in Eve history for being there.
There was no D2 involved. The Titan logged off from POS after 3 hours. He was then probed and Shrike jumpbridged a fleet on it.
You can see from the screen shots, there is no fight. So dont try and twist the words of the GM who just "happened" to be there into a postive statement.
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M Amis
Beach Bunnys
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:28:00 -
[412]
Edited by: M Amis on 16/02/2007 19:29:38 is it me or do some of our community seems alot like the mob in this clip
Linkage
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dfgdfgerdv
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:29:00 -
[413]
Originally by: Red Crown Edited by: Red Crown on 16/02/2007 19:23:26 Killing the fetus Titan - required roughly 8 hours of intense fighting, heavy casualties, much frustration and lag, not to mention the days of probing and failed attacks on the shipyards.
Judging from the pictures, I'd say there as no functioning pilot in the thing. For starters, its in open space. Classic E-Warp. For two, there are no supporting wrecks. If you just got jumped by the enemy capital fleet, your going to scream bloody murder. Not to mention, your calvary has time to get there, I'm sure a titan could tank that long.
Edit: Local picture shows hostiles...is it possible the pilot wasn't logged in and thats why they couldn't warp to help.
I hate to say it, but it looks like they pulled a 2nd CYVOK.
Not going to say much about how intensly fishy this whole CCP congratulation and how its happened twice now...etc...
There was no "big" fight in JV1V! How hard is for people to understand!
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Reknaw A'ru
Minmatar 11th Hussars
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:29:00 -
[414]
So in one short afternoon a certain Alliance was able to shoot at a oppositions Carrier that was within a POS forcefield, then go on to kill a non-aggroed Titan.
Interesting.
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dfgdfgerdv
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:29:00 -
[415]
Originally by: Red Crown Edited by: Red Crown on 16/02/2007 19:23:26 Killing the fetus Titan - required roughly 8 hours of intense fighting, heavy casualties, much frustration and lag, not to mention the days of probing and failed attacks on the shipyards.
Judging from the pictures, I'd say there as no functioning pilot in the thing. For starters, its in open space. Classic E-Warp. For two, there are no supporting wrecks. If you just got jumped by the enemy capital fleet, your going to scream bloody murder. Not to mention, your calvary has time to get there, I'm sure a titan could tank that long.
Edit: Local picture shows hostiles...is it possible the pilot wasn't logged in and thats why they couldn't warp to help.
I hate to say it, but it looks like they pulled a 2nd CYVOK.
Not going to say much about how intensly fishy this whole CCP congratulation and how its happened twice now...etc...
There was no "big" fight in JV1V! How hard is for people to understand!
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Reknaw A'ru
Minmatar 11th Hussars
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:29:00 -
[416]
So in one short afternoon a certain Alliance was able to shoot at a oppositions Carrier that was within a POS forcefield, then go on to kill a non-aggroed Titan.
Interesting.
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Aguk
Minmatar The Nine Gates Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:30:00 -
[417]
So... what I am assuming then is that the D2 fleet logged out before making sure their Titan was in a safe, cloaked, and then logged out(not visible in local)?
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Llynn
Dark Excession The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:30:00 -
[418]
I guess all the Tinfoil hattery in this thread (if it really is just that, who knows nowadays) just goes to show how bad ccp handled the past 'situations'. I wonder how many more of these threads are needed to convince ccp that devs cannot play in 0.0 alliances. We now all know for a fact that CCP can't be trusted so it will be like this every time something like this happens.
good job ccp
PS: congrats to BoB if this was legit
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Del369
Caldari Office linebackers
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:31:00 -
[419]
Originally by: PC5 Edited by: PC5 on 16/02/2007 19:20:44 Well im not posting on those forums but this would be my 2nd post today.
I love EVE i love to fight etc etc. But if something is wrong i cant stay and do nothing.
I was in system where titan was killed. We returned to YZ-LQL to POS, there was info that we have little break before next action. We used of course jump bridge to move from 7BX etc. And shortly after that titan loged off. He didint had any agro AFAIK, we were sitting in POS for hours before that. After some minutes is POS my 'friend' from BOB told me that D2 titan is dead. No one on TS knew what happened, probably titan pilot didint know that too and FC.
Shortly after titan kill GM spawns... 18:07:00 is titan killmail timestamp.
[17:59:23] EVE System > Channel changed to YZ-LQL Local Channel [18:07:09] torpedo > boom [18:07:22] Asukiko > LOL [18:07:25] Kublai Khan > fofofo [18:17:53] Admiral Chamrajnagar > Congrags to all envolved [18:17:58] Shrike > Thank you. [18:18:04] Shrike > Well executed plan [18:18:17] Admiral Chamrajnagar > Titan wreck has been bookmarked for future permanent wrecks [18:18:19] Shrike > Props to Digitalcommunist who made it happen [18:18:25] Shrike > Thank you kind sir [18:18:32] Lady Vanquish > yeah... good job guys [18:18:43] Largo DuAquin > nice bug using [18:18:46] Lady Vanquish > i just logged in right when it happened
I dont know how did it happened that he was killed but i have 3 things to throw at some ppl. 1) Why 3 titan in game dies not in combat!? 2) Why did he had agression!? <- thats question for d2 FC also, but if they dont know... gues what. 3) Why BoB was able to shoot our carrier inside POS forcefield today and GM said some crap about force field password?
This game is geting worse with time. There are to many unanswered questions and to many speculations, its destroying this game for me and other ppl. Please CCP fix it.
guess my sig takes on a new meaning now eh anyway just think when you do get rid of BOCD the victory will be that much sweeter ;)
Originally by: Wrangler That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other!
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UAxDEATH
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:31:00 -
[420]
Again BoB is using Dev (CCP) exploits, bugs, and etc......just simple question to CCP (aka bob) r u guys realy wanna lose people who thought we can play fair in this game ??? It`s not gonna be just few subscribers......you just killed ur game.....congrats.
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sci0gon
Tech 2 Ammo Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:31:00 -
[421]
Originally by: Amerame Killing a titan due to buggy aggro timer is indeed an impressive show of skills ! I'm not saying swarming a system with 800+ people is a lot better, but still why on the one hand a CCP congratulate BoB and no one was around for the redswarm ?
maybe its because they were doing a event in the area or maybe its because they are actually keeping a close eye on BOB because of all the B***S*** that is happening on this forum at the moment inspired mostly by goonswarm.
It seems some of you are to caught up in this and believe that this was done by abusing game mechanics. I hope that CCP does look into this and makes a statement to show you guys weather or not it was done through "SKILL" or "ABUSE"
As for the titan's being reimbursed due to logging off in space. if that does ever happen then they should also reimburse for Titans in build or in space which are being killed due to server node crashes.
in my own personal opinion i believe that credit is deserved to BOB for killing the D2 titan under the current conditions and forum propaganda which is going on. I am also sure a lot of you guys are thinking WTF were D2 doing and hoping for them to continue the fight by this action fueling their rage to carry on. I myself also hope this will fuel their rage to carry on. It will be very interesting to see what happens in this war from this point forth.
Good luck to everyone involved
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Major Stuart
Caldari XanTara.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:33:00 -
[422]
gratz to who ever destroyed it and unlucky D2 Was that there only titan?
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Imode
Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:33:00 -
[423]
Congrats to BOB on not only the kill but the wonderful revamped killboard! _________________________________ Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24,000 bytes.Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip |
dfgdfgerdv
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:33:00 -
[424]
Originally by: UAxDEATH Again BoB is using Dev (CCP) exploits, bugs, and etc......just simple question to CCP (aka bob) r u guys realy wanna lose people who thought we can play fair in this game ??? It`s not gonna be just few subscribers......you just killed ur game.....congrats.
Proof or stfu
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Breaka
The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:34:00 -
[425]
So, according to most of the smaller alliances on the coalition's side: 1) If BoB does something worthwhile they are h4xx0rz. 2) If their side does something worthwhile they are awesomeness embodied.
Good god, if BoB (lord help me) wins, the crying will never stop.
One good way to show CCP you don't like the way they act is to...I dunno.... quit. *****ing and moaning and throwing accusations around on the forums just makes you look like a ****.
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Kyunden Galard
Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:34:00 -
[426]
Originally by: dfgdfgerdv Proof or stfu
Main or stfu ------------------------------- Soaring where angels fear to fly |
Klariso Troben
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:35:00 -
[427]
Originally by: Exelsior
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: NOObbody
Originally by: dabster The sad part is i feel so convinced some kind of exploit was abused to get this done, if its true.
and an ccp official congratulated them in local... how surprising
This is the most disturbing part of the whole thing. Were they there to congratulate RAGOON. Uhm nope. I guess recent events just dont matter to CCP.
So you're telling me that killing a POS that is producing a titan somehow compares to killing an actual titan?
It's like comparing the difficulty of killing a baby in a womb to killing a full grown man.
Actually it's like comparing the difficulty of killing a baby in the womb to killing a full grown man that is a quadriplegic, has down syndrome, is already dead, paralyzed, mentally retarded, fat, has heart disease, is a hemophile that has 10 1 inch deep cuts throughout their body, ETC... ETC... ETC...
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batloard
Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:36:00 -
[428]
well d2 are saying the titan was sitting in a pos for around 3 hours and was not agressed, he jump bridged some ships to yz and shortly logged off, and bob proceeded to kill him in this state. All it wouldve took was someone to shoot one wreck, or even his own guys shooting him to get him agressed before he logged. A titan is a big target so there is a small chance someone shot at him somewhere.
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Lord BlackSter
The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:36:00 -
[429]
Posting in a epic thread.
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Rachen Mysuna
Brotherhood of Polar Equation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:36:00 -
[430]
as outsider, im kind of new to the game and i havent been in alliances yet but as i have readed how titans have gone down so far it seems mind-blowing and kind of disgusts me. to destroy all the work of the players building it just by using a bug/exploit?
i just hope such acts will be impossible when ill be joining some alliance
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Fubear
Vogon Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:37:00 -
[431]
I would be intersted to know what caused the aggro timer, it's not like you can accidentally aggro without killing the entire grid.
There is a known issue with POS guns holding aggro for hours after people have been shot with them, and also the wreckage shooting exploit. If it was either of these, then the ship will be reimbursed. It is also possible that remote repping, jump bridging, or something else we are not aware of triggered the aggro timer.
Regardless, this game is becoming more and more broken every day - we have a visible aggro timer in high/low-sec, so why the hell not in 0.0 where it matters.
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artemis doom
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:37:00 -
[432]
WOKATANK got the titan back?
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Pepperami
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:37:00 -
[433]
Awesome work bob.
I'm gonna go back through the thread to read the coalition spin now.
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F Apparition
Minmatar Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:38:00 -
[434]
Edited by: F Apparition on 16/02/2007 19:34:47 EDIT: Forum ate my post.
Originally by: Lasus If EVE gave you oral sex every time you used it people would still complain.
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:38:00 -
[435]
it seems like bob is back to wrecksploiting again from what i hear.
you just cant stop cheating can you? nm dont answer that question, we already know the answer to it.
Originally by: Dianabolic I've never cheated, I've never witnessed those I fly with, cheat and I guarentee you that if I DID witness such a thing I |
Pika Chu
Caldari Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:38:00 -
[436]
Originally by: Fubear I would be intersted to know what caused the aggro timer, it's not like you can accidentally aggro without killing the entire grid.
There is a known issue with POS guns holding aggro for hours after people have been shot with them, and also the wreckage shooting exploit. If it was either of these, then the ship will be reimbursed. It is also possible that remote repping, jump bridging, or something else we are not aware of triggered the aggro timer.
Regardless, this game is becoming more and more broken every day - we have a visible aggro timer in high/low-sec, so why the hell not in 0.0 where it matters.
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:40:00 -
[437]
Originally by: artemis doom WOKATANK got the titan back?
of course he will get it back as bob apparently used a wrecksploit to aggro him after he just had logged off.
the lame people just got even more lame and once again they have been found cheating and exploiting.
Originally by: Dianabolic I've never cheated, I've never witnessed those I fly with, cheat and I guarentee you that if I DID witness such a thing I |
Adam C
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:40:00 -
[438]
Edited by: Adam C on 16/02/2007 19:37:22 WOW. Fourteen pages and not a bob reply. I must of skimmed it too quickly and missed the gold bars around their post. :))
Confirm/Deny enter enter
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Del369
Caldari Office linebackers
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:40:00 -
[439]
Edited by: Del369 on 16/02/2007 19:36:52
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 16/02/2007 19:25:02
Originally by: Avernus
Look closer, he says 'congrats to all involved'. That includes D2, the titan pilot, and everyone in system. Titan deaths are landmark events; winner or loser, you've just been marked down in Eve history for being there.
There was no D2 involved. The Titan logged off from POS after 3 hours. He was then probed and Shrike jumpbridged a fleet on it.
You can see from the screen shots, there is no fight. So dont try and twist the words of the GM who just "happened" to be there into a postive statement.
Originally by: Wrangler That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other!
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Mohrg
Caldari Murky Ink Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:40:00 -
[440]
well these titans seems to be dropping quite fast now don't they how many have popped now? i'm losing count
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V0idz
Herrscher der Zeit
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:40:00 -
[441]
BoC - nice one. --------- EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak. |
Xelios
Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:40:00 -
[442]
Originally by: Breaka So, according to most of the smaller alliances on the coalition's side: 1) If BoB does something worthwhile they are h4xx0rz. 2) If their side does something worthwhile they are awesomeness embodied.
Good god, if BoB (lord help me) wins, the crying will never stop.
One good way to show CCP you don't like the way they act is to...I dunno.... quit. *****ing and moaning and throwing accusations around on the forums just makes you look like a ****.
They're not hackers, they're simply abusing a bug in the game to keep someone aggro'd long after his aggro should have worn off.
BoB abusing bugs and metagaming, wow, that's a shock isn't it? Maybe if they didn't have such a long history of this kind of underhanded crap people wouldn't be so quick to scream exploit all the time.
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Ewa Quillam
Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:41:00 -
[443]
Originally by: Exelsior
Originally by: Boliknar
Originally by: NOObbody
Originally by: dabster The sad part is i feel so convinced some kind of exploit was abused to get this done, if its true.
and an ccp official congratulated them in local... how surprising
This is the most disturbing part of the whole thing. Were they there to congratulate RAGOON. Uhm nope. I guess recent events just dont matter to CCP.
So you're telling me that killing a POS that is producing a titan somehow compares to killing an actual titan?
It's like comparing the difficulty of killing a baby in a womb to killing a full grown man.
Are you telling me that destroying a titan that couldn't fight is more important than killing a mothership in actual combat?
How about that?
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Roxors
Caldari SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:41:00 -
[444]
Originally by: Maruk Ihnati
Originally by: Rennard another loggoffski?
probably aggroed from wrecks then probed.
Don't give titans to noobs.
What is this new feature that you speak of?
yeah the comparison is quite humorous.. bob kills a few offline titans and claims god status.. we kill a titan wrapped in a pos with a 400+ defense fleet and they act like it was nothing.. ----------- *snip* Signiture is anot allowed - please email [email protected] to find out why - hutch |
Dawn Princess
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:42:00 -
[445]
I finally figured it out.
CCP want to start work on the new White Wolf MMO to cash in on the lucrative emo kid vampire goth market.
They are presently busy running EVE.
What can they do?
Bingo! Kill EVE. Genius.
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Draco Romuli
Caldari Independent Fleet O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:42:00 -
[446]
Originally by: Pika Chu I would imagine it was the jump bridge if all accounts from d2 are true so far.
Granted, I'm still new to all this...but jump bridges trigger the aggression timer?
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Barrier Solo
Infinity Shipyard Masters
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:42:00 -
[447]
Edited by: Barrier Solo on 16/02/2007 19:40:54 (edit for quoted wrong guy)
I hope CCP bans all you ****ers who whine and complain whenever Bob kills a rat.
Crashing a node on purpose, and using login traps deserves bans. Killing a Titan due to titan pilot stupidity is fair game. Just because it's the second time they do it (kill a Titan) means that their enemies are pitiful players.
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Grimeh
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:43:00 -
[448]
Originally by: Xendie it seems like bob is back to wrecksploiting again from what i hear.
you just cant stop cheating can you? nm dont answer that question, we already know the answer to it.
please explain this wreck exploit
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Pika Chu
Caldari Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:43:00 -
[449]
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: artemis doom WOKATANK got the titan back?
of course he will get it back as bob apparently used a wrecksploit to aggro him after he just had logged off.
the lame people just got even more lame and once again they have been found cheating and exploiting.
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Cupdeez
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:43:00 -
[450]
Originally by: Breaka So, according to most of the smaller alliances on the coalition's side: 1) If BoB does something worthwhile they are h4xx0rz. 2) If their side does something worthwhile they are awesomeness embodied.
Good god, if BoB (lord help me) wins, the crying will never stop.
One good way to show CCP you don't like the way they act is to...I dunno.... quit. *****ing and moaning and throwing accusations around on the forums just makes you look like a ****.
hmm... sounds like BOD
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Vitoris
Stinger Squad
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:43:00 -
[451]
BoD using exploits? Who would have thought?
Its nice to see that you are going down the same way you got up by cheating and exploiting. Keep it up.
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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:43:00 -
[452]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 16/02/2007 19:25:02
Originally by: Avernus
Look closer, he says 'congrats to all involved'. That includes D2, the titan pilot, and everyone in system. Titan deaths are landmark events; winner or loser, you've just been marked down in Eve history for being there.
There was no D2 involved. The Titan logged off from POS after 3 hours. He was then probed and Shrike jumpbridged a fleet on it.
Wait a sec... you mean to tell me that the Titan logged off from a POS where D2 had no forces, and it had hostiles in local? . .. ... So you didn't jump out the Titan to a clear system, warp him to a deep safe and log off without agression. Why is anyone surprised that this titan got lost? Truth be told, you almost lost it last week but never heard about it. Your titan logged in a system that had Fixians in it while they were up in Fountain. Were it not for a lack of coverts at the time, we'd have it probed out ourselves.
Honestly, the way you treated your titan and protected it, the loss is of little surprise. Condolences for the loss, but maybe turn the eye inward to see why it could have happened.
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Deva Blackfire
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:43:00 -
[453]
Originally by: Grimeh
Originally by: Xendie it seems like bob is back to wrecksploiting again from what i hear.
you just cant stop cheating can you? nm dont answer that question, we already know the answer to it.
please explain this wreck exploit
Wreck acts like player ship in terms of aggroing. Thats all.
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:44:00 -
[454]
Originally by: Roxors
Originally by: Maruk Ihnati
Originally by: Rennard another loggoffski?
probably aggroed from wrecks then probed.
Don't give titans to noobs.
What is this new feature that you speak of?
yeah the comparison is quite humorous.. bob kills a few offline titans and claims god status.. we kill a titan wrapped in a pos with a 400+ defense fleet and they act like it was nothing..
How many of that 400 man defensive fleet could actually log back in to defend the tower? __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =- |
Poolpy
dev zero
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:44:00 -
[455]
Originally by: Draco Romuli
Granted, I'm still new to all this...but jump bridges trigger the aggression timer?
You just need to read the up to date eve online manual, oh wait...
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Crystal Starbreeze
Happy Hungry Hippos
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:45:00 -
[456]
You know i have to call Haxx on this. Second titan lost all with BOB being the one taking it down and now a GM response quickly after.
I would like to see CCP's response that everything was fine, no exploit, Gm help etc. Two titans killed undefended by a Corp known to have cheated with GM help in the past. Seems fishy to me. How bout an official post. Its sad that now half of EVE players feel their is an exploit or GM help. CCP has lost the trust of the eve universe and now they have to build that trust back up. This would be an good first step.
I am neutral in this war but really this just doesn't seem right from any angle.
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RangerXT
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:45:00 -
[457]
Originally by: batloard well d2 are saying the titan was sitting in a pos for around 3 hours and was not agressed, he jump bridged some ships to yz and shortly logged off, and bob proceeded to kill him in this state. All it wouldve took was someone to shoot one wreck, or even his own guys shooting him to get him agressed before he logged. A titan is a big target so there is a small chance someone shot at him somewhere.
You know that is actually a brilliant idea. Imagine you know when the titan is going to log. You have or pay a spy or something to fire on the titan before he logs. With its sheilds if he's not paying complete attention to his client he'd never notice a 150mm dmg on his shields. He thinks he's is clear. Logs. Game over.
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Shiv Katall
Minmatar Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:46:00 -
[458]
Edited by: Shiv Katall on 16/02/2007 19:44:54
Originally by: dfgdfgerdv
Originally by: UAxDEATH Again BoB is using Dev (CCP) exploits, bugs, and etc......just simple question to CCP (aka bob) r u guys realy wanna lose people who thought we can play fair in this game ??? It`s not gonna be just few subscribers......you just killed ur game.....congrats.
Proof or stfu
Funny actually, cause thats what everyone all said last time and we all know how that turned out. Shooting wrecks to keep a player agroed while they have no knowledge about it is pretty lame and weak. I think that is something we can all agree on.
I agree with Crystals post above. It is a pretty sad state that as soon as something like this happens, everyone starts looking for the exploit, cheat, and what not. I wonder if EVE can ever recover from the damage that a select few have done to this game.
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Ascend Alt
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:46:00 -
[459]
Wreck exploits? Jump bridges causing aggro?
Its all too much.
Can we get some devs/gms/bug hunters on into our corp so that we get to know about all these things. I am getting sad just, you know, playing the game as a regular old game.
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:47:00 -
[460]
Of course it's too little to think both sides would wait for an official responce from BoB, D2 or CCP before they start posting 14 pages of crap.
You're all arguing points as if they were gospel yet none of you actually know what happened.
Get a grip.
Originally by: Ice Conch In soviet russia, soap drops you!
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:47:00 -
[461]
Originally by: Boliknar
Ok so fine that "might" have been why he was there. Why then did he feel the overwhelming desire to congratulate BOB in local for all participiants to to see.
Well, if he had congratulated D2 for this, you would have complained, too. _______ I came, I read, I lol'ed. |
Boliknar
The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:54:00 -
[462]
Originally by: Breaka 1) If BoB does something worthwhile they are h4xx0rz. 2) If their side does something worthwhile they are awesomeness embodied.
Cool glad you agree with us thanks for posting.
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Grimeh
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:54:00 -
[463]
Originally by: The Dark The way it seems to work is if u shoot a wreck the guys blown up and he logs hes still agrod for 15mins after, even if he didnt shoot anything for 1 hour, thus meaning u have 15mins to probe and kill him. its a known way to kill NPCers and will almost always result in the ship being returned by CCP.
if this is what happened to the D2 titan it will be replaced.
right so the d2 titan wasnt sat int he pos for 3 hours but out npcing.....
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Quarantine
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:54:00 -
[464]
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
You cant lock targets that sit inside pos.
There is a more or less well known exploit that allows you do just that - target someone inside a pos and give him aggro timer. Best of all he won't even know it.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:54:00 -
[465]
Originally by: Breaka So, according to most of the smaller alliances on the coalition's side: 1) If BoB does something worthwhile they are h4xx0rz. 2) If their side does something worthwhile they are awesomeness embodied.
It is not _what_ you do but _how_ you do it. Using bugs (for example the wreck aggro bug) to get to your goal is worth nothing, even if the result would be a titan kill.
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Deva Blackfire
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:54:00 -
[466]
Originally by: gamarus
Originally by: Geli Tetro Why is everyone jumping to wreckspliot conclusions?
Isnt it enterly more likely that BOB had a prober out waiting for the titan to logoff, they would have plenty of time with the new scanning to find and re-aggro the titan before it vanished.
if the player logs without aggro, shooting his ship will not generate aggro. The ship will simply disappear after 30-60 secs - way too fast to kill a supercapital.
Wrong. If you shoot him he WILL get aggro and disappear in 60 seconds. If he logs back on withing "aggro" timer (when he was out of game) he still retains it.
A: logs off B: shoots A (1 minute A disappears) A: logs on, checks B on local, logs off A: this time he DOES NOT vanish - he sits 15 minutes B: kills unsuspecting A
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:54:00 -
[467]
Originally by: Breaka 1) If BoB does something worthwhile they are h4xx0rz. 2) If their side does something worthwhile they are awesomeness embodied.
Cool glad you agree with us thanks for posting.
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Grimeh
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:54:00 -
[468]
*snip* Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Eldo Davip ([email protected])
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Quarantine
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:54:00 -
[469]
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
You cant lock targets that sit inside pos.
There is a more or less well known exploit that allows you do just that - target someone inside a pos and give him aggro timer. Best of all he won't even know it.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:54:00 -
[470]
Originally by: Breaka So, according to most of the smaller alliances on the coalition's side: 1) If BoB does something worthwhile they are h4xx0rz. 2) If their side does something worthwhile they are awesomeness embodied.
It is not _what_ you do but _how_ you do it. Using bugs (for example the wreck aggro bug) to get to your goal is worth nothing, even if the result would be a titan kill.
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Deva Blackfire
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:54:00 -
[471]
Originally by: gamarus
Originally by: Geli Tetro Why is everyone jumping to wreckspliot conclusions?
Isnt it enterly more likely that BOB had a prober out waiting for the titan to logoff, they would have plenty of time with the new scanning to find and re-aggro the titan before it vanished.
if the player logs without aggro, shooting his ship will not generate aggro. The ship will simply disappear after 30-60 secs - way too fast to kill a supercapital.
Wrong. If you shoot him he WILL get aggro and disappear in 60 seconds. If he logs back on withing "aggro" timer (when he was out of game) he still retains it.
A: logs off B: shoots A (1 minute A disappears) A: logs on, checks B on local, logs off A: this time he DOES NOT vanish - he sits 15 minutes B: kills unsuspecting A
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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:55:00 -
[472]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Avernus warp him to a deep safe and log off without agression.
yes...if you'd like to tell us where the aggression came from, that would be hepful
If you're going to quote me, use the bulk of the paragraph, and not half a sentence. The point of what I said was you logged him in a system with hostiles instead of jumping him out to a clear system to log. In my mind, doing that with a multi billion isk asset is near criminal negligence.
It's dead simple to do, and it makes an amazing amount of sense to treat a titan with the utmost care. Considering that 95% of what is being written in this thread is loaded with conjecture, I'm trying to stick to what appears to be factual statements that have been put forth. Looking forward to the battle report.
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Fransis Drakke
Minmatar Manada de Lobos
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:55:00 -
[473]
the titan pilot was 1h or more sitting inside the pos wihout agro anything.. and he logged for IRL.
Explain it, bob b3333p!
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Grimeh
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:55:00 -
[474]
Originally by: Reknaw A'ru The sudden muteness of BoD players leads me to believe they have something to hide?
they have been dead on the forums for the past week apart from Diana's post, nubbins...
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Seeboo
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:55:00 -
[475]
even if there were some exploits used , you all know ccp wont tell us the whole truth . That would be like throwing some oil in the fire .
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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:55:00 -
[476]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Avernus warp him to a deep safe and log off without agression.
yes...if you'd like to tell us where the aggression came from, that would be hepful
If you're going to quote me, use the bulk of the paragraph, and not half a sentence. The point of what I said was you logged him in a system with hostiles instead of jumping him out to a clear system to log. In my mind, doing that with a multi billion isk asset is near criminal negligence.
It's dead simple to do, and it makes an amazing amount of sense to treat a titan with the utmost care. Considering that 95% of what is being written in this thread is loaded with conjecture, I'm trying to stick to what appears to be factual statements that have been put forth. Looking forward to the battle report.
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Fransis Drakke
Minmatar Manada de Lobos
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:55:00 -
[477]
the titan pilot was 1h or more sitting inside the pos wihout agro anything.. and he logged for IRL.
Explain it, bob b3333p!
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Grimeh
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:55:00 -
[478]
*snip* Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Eldo Davip ([email protected])
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Seeboo
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:55:00 -
[479]
even if there were some exploits used , you all know ccp wont tell us the whole truth . That would be like throwing some oil in the fire .
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Evil D4rk
Shihan.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:56:00 -
[480]
Originally by: Virtuozzo
Originally by: Stelteck ...
There is only 3 case possibles. ...
- The titan was destroyed because of a bug. Then the titan shall be given back.
...
Um no. CCP do not reimburse over bugs or undocumented features.
Yes they do.
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Space Ludnis
Gallente StarLight Inc. Prismatic Refraction
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:56:00 -
[481]
Rabble, rabble, rabble!! Outrage, rabble, rabble!!
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Evil D4rk
Shihan.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:56:00 -
[482]
Originally by: Virtuozzo
Originally by: Stelteck ...
There is only 3 case possibles. ...
- The titan was destroyed because of a bug. Then the titan shall be given back.
...
Um no. CCP do not reimburse over bugs or undocumented features.
Yes they do.
This is my new main. |
Space Ludnis
Gallente StarLight Inc. Prismatic Refraction
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:56:00 -
[483]
Rabble, rabble, rabble!! Outrage, rabble, rabble!!
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Macro KillerCEO
Macro KillerZ
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:57:00 -
[484]
TOS
22. You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.
Wreck shooty shooty is an exploit Violation of TOS=Ban
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Zeveron
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:57:00 -
[485]
Some questions:
1. When the Titan logged off, were there any hostiles at the system? 2. Warped he in a DSS to log off? 3. D2 absolute sure that the DSS (if any) not busted?
And some facts:
You guys know that when you log off in a system, ur ship stays in space for 30s to (sometimes) 2 minutes? and thats w/o any aggro timer. Plenty of time to scan you out.
So let see what could have happened if a hostile covert ops was in system:
1. Titan logs off 2. Covert scan him out. 3. He aggro the titan, and the titan gets a 15m aggro timer 4. Titan pilot tries to login, but he canned bcs of many ppl shooting at him 5. He panics, ctrl-q, try again, the same (try to login in space with 40 ppl shooting at you, to c what happens)
I dont say it was that way, but how it can be done. I got probed out that way, but know i ve learned it :-) ----------------------------------
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Max Teranous
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:57:00 -
[486]
Originally by: Reknaw A'ru The sudden muteness of BoD players leads me to believe they have something to hide?
Be fair, BoB haven't been posting for weeks now.
I find it amusing that pretty much no-one in this thread has a clue what actually happened but are happy to say all sorts of things as if they are indisbutable facts. Let's see what actual D2 & Bob reps say hey?
Max
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Macro KillerCEO
Macro KillerZ
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:57:00 -
[487]
TOS
22. You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.
Wreck shooty shooty is an exploit Violation of TOS=Ban
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Zeveron
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:57:00 -
[488]
Some questions:
1. When the Titan logged off, were there any hostiles at the system? 2. Warped he in a DSS to log off? 3. D2 absolute sure that the DSS (if any) not busted?
And some facts:
You guys know that when you log off in a system, ur ship stays in space for 30s to (sometimes) 2 minutes? and thats w/o any aggro timer. Plenty of time to scan you out.
So let see what could have happened if a hostile covert ops was in system:
1. Titan logs off 2. Covert scan him out. 3. He aggro the titan, and the titan gets a 15m aggro timer 4. Titan pilot tries to login, but he canned bcs of many ppl shooting at him 5. He panics, ctrl-q, try again, the same (try to login in space with 40 ppl shooting at you, to c what happens)
I dont say it was that way, but how it can be done. I got probed out that way, but know i ve learned it :-) ----------------------------------
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Max Teranous
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Reknaw A'ru The sudden muteness of BoD players leads me to believe they have something to hide?
Be fair, BoB haven't been posting for weeks now.
I find it amusing that pretty much no-one in this thread has a clue what actually happened but are happy to say all sorts of things as if they are indisbutable facts. Let's see what actual D2 & Bob reps say hey?
Max
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Marena Bijo
Black Ice Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:58:00 -
[490]
Originally by: Space Ludnis Rabble, rabble, rabble!! Outrage, rabble, rabble!!
QFT!
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Knerf
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:58:00 -
[491]
why is it too that your ship warps when you are in a POS, really it should just disappear after a few minutes instead of warping off... that really needs to be changed too imho
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gamarus
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:58:00 -
[492]
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: gamarus
Originally by: Geli Tetro Why is everyone jumping to wreckspliot conclusions?
Isnt it enterly more likely that BOB had a prober out waiting for the titan to logoff, they would have plenty of time with the new scanning to find and re-aggro the titan before it vanished.
if the player logs without aggro, shooting his ship will not generate aggro. The ship will simply disappear after 30-60 secs - way too fast to kill a supercapital.
Wrong. If you shoot him he WILL get aggro and disappear in 60 seconds. If he logs back on withing "aggro" timer (when he was out of game) he still retains it.
A: logs off B: shoots A (1 minute A disappears) A: logs on, checks B on local, logs off A: this time he DOES NOT vanish - he sits 15 minutes B: kills unsuspecting A
Oh right yea
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Marena Bijo
Black Ice Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:58:00 -
[493]
Originally by: Space Ludnis Rabble, rabble, rabble!! Outrage, rabble, rabble!!
QFT!
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Knerf
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:58:00 -
[494]
why is it too that your ship warps when you are in a POS, really it should just disappear after a few minutes instead of warping off... that really needs to be changed too imho
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gamarus
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:58:00 -
[495]
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: gamarus
Originally by: Geli Tetro Why is everyone jumping to wreckspliot conclusions?
Isnt it enterly more likely that BOB had a prober out waiting for the titan to logoff, they would have plenty of time with the new scanning to find and re-aggro the titan before it vanished.
if the player logs without aggro, shooting his ship will not generate aggro. The ship will simply disappear after 30-60 secs - way too fast to kill a supercapital.
Wrong. If you shoot him he WILL get aggro and disappear in 60 seconds. If he logs back on withing "aggro" timer (when he was out of game) he still retains it.
A: logs off B: shoots A (1 minute A disappears) A: logs on, checks B on local, logs off A: this time he DOES NOT vanish - he sits 15 minutes B: kills unsuspecting A
Oh right yea
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Deva Blackfire
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:59:00 -
[496]
Originally by: Zeveron
So let see what could have happened if a hostile covert ops was in system:
1. Titan logs off 2. Covert scan him out. 3. He aggro the titan, and the titan gets a 15m aggro timer 4. Titan pilot tries to login, but he canned bcs of many ppl shooting at him 5. He panics, ctrl-q, try again, the same (try to login in space with 40 ppl shooting at you, to c what happens)
This is exploit and was reimbursed quite often.
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Deva Blackfire
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:59:00 -
[497]
Originally by: Zeveron
So let see what could have happened if a hostile covert ops was in system:
1. Titan logs off 2. Covert scan him out. 3. He aggro the titan, and the titan gets a 15m aggro timer 4. Titan pilot tries to login, but he canned bcs of many ppl shooting at him 5. He panics, ctrl-q, try again, the same (try to login in space with 40 ppl shooting at you, to c what happens)
This is exploit and was reimbursed quite often.
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Bibi
Minmatar North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:00:00 -
[498]
Very nice after all this smacking from the people that fight bob hehe its funny they go lose a titan
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Bibi
Minmatar North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:00:00 -
[499]
Very nice after all this smacking from the people that fight bob hehe its funny they go lose a titan
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dfgdfgerdv
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:01:00 -
[500]
*snip* Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Eldo Davip ([email protected])
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Shirei
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:02:00 -
[501]
What exactly is supposed to have caused this aggro timer? The last kill by WOTANKN on the D2 killboard is a whole 3 days earlier.
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Evil D4rk
Shihan.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:03:00 -
[502]
Originally by: Shirei What exactly is supposed to have caused this aggro timer? The last kill by WOTANKN on the D2 killboard is a whole 3 days earlier.
You dont have to kill anything to be aggro'ed.
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dosperado
Denial of Service Freelancer Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:04:00 -
[503]
Originally by: DinoC Linkagehttp://freenet-homepage.de/winchip2/2007.02.16.18.19.49.PNG
CCP got be taking the p*** ... is this the best attempt at losing your playerbase?
Nothing against CCP being in local, but congratulating in local knowing the current climate and the dark shadow over the fairness of this game its taking things a bit too far if you ask me!.
hmm...afaik t20 is responsible for ccp's database ;)
char info shows "ccp database admin"
just wondering ;) ____________________ NPC Mass Murderer Security Status 8.5
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Del369
Caldari Office linebackers
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:04:00 -
[504]
Originally by: dfgdfgerdv
Originally by: Macro KillerCEO TOS
22. You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.
Wreck shooty shooty is an exploit Violation of TOS=Ban
To quote red alliance "Unless CCP fixes the bugs, then we will use them."
Funny how certain alts can post in here till the cows come home, still no suprises there eh.
Quote: Whats becoming so obvious these days, is, in this game it's not what you know, it's who you know, how sad
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Zeveron
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:05:00 -
[505]
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: gamarus
Originally by: Geli Tetro Why is everyone jumping to wreckspliot conclusions?
Isnt it enterly more likely that BOB had a prober out waiting for the titan to logoff, they would have plenty of time with the new scanning to find and re-aggro the titan before it vanished.
if the player logs without aggro, shooting his ship will not generate aggro. The ship will simply disappear after 30-60 secs - way too fast to kill a supercapital.
Wrong. If you shoot him he WILL get aggro and disappear in 60 seconds. If he logs back on withing "aggro" timer (when he was out of game) he still retains it.
A: logs off B: shoots A (1 minute A disappears) A: logs on, checks B on local, logs off A: this time he DOES NOT vanish - he sits 15 minutes B: kills unsuspecting A
Not exactly. This comes from knowlagebase:
Quote: The PvP timer is split into three 15-minute periods.
Whenever you are engaged in a player vs. player fight, the first timer starts. It is refreshed whenever that anything happens in combat, including when you get fired upon (even if you do not fire back). If you log off within 15 minutes of this timer's activation, the other two will kick into action.
Note that your onscreen timer countdown may not take into account events that cause the timer to get refreshed.
The second timer starts once you log off. Your ship will be warped to a random part of space and will remain there for another 15 minutes. Note that if the enemy has warp scrambling abilities, he can keep you in place for those 15 minutes and fire at you all the while. The phrase "sitting duck" comes to mind.
If your ship gets destroyed, the third and last 15 minute timer will start. This time, it's your pod that does the emergency warp and remains in space for the duration of the timer.
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Zeveron
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:06:00 -
[506]
Edited by: Zeveron on 16/02/2007 20:04:43 Edited by: Zeveron on 16/02/2007 20:03:53
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Zeveron
So let see what could have happened if a hostile covert ops was in system:
1. Titan logs off 2. Covert scan him out. 3. He aggro the titan, and the titan gets a 15m aggro timer 4. Titan pilot tries to login, but he canned bcs of many ppl shooting at him 5. He panics, ctrl-q, try again, the same (try to login in space with 40 ppl shooting at you, to c what happens)
This is exploit and was reimbursed quite often.
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Zachios Primos
The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:07:00 -
[507]
Originally by: Plim
Originally by: Mortuus Good job BoB.
To all the naysayers, I've fought against everyone in EvE, and when it comes down to understanding the game BoB are on top.
Well done, hope you drive D2 kicking and screaming out of your regions. Because unlike most people in game, you've earned them.
Well that makes sense since they programmed it \o/
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Deva Blackfire
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:07:00 -
[508]
Originally by: Zeveron
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Wrong. If you shoot him he WILL get aggro and disappear in 60 seconds. If he logs back on withing "aggro" timer (when he was out of game) he still retains it.
A: logs off B: shoots A (1 minute A disappears) A: logs on, checks B on local, logs off A: this time he DOES NOT vanish - he sits 15 minutes B: kills unsuspecting A
Not exactly. This comes from knowlagebase:
Dont try to be smartass because i tested it before. And it DOES work indeed. I also like to have "deeper understanding of game" even if DEV friends cant tell me those "unseen" rules.
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Roxors
Caldari SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:07:00 -
[509]
Edited by: Roxors on 16/02/2007 20:05:09
Originally by: nync ASCN titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away , killed by BOD ready for it. D2 titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away, killed by BOD ready for it.
Isn't getting a bit odd...
well.. it will be interesting once there are enough titans around that someone can actually confirm the "shoot the wreck to agro" thing.. if it actually resets the agro timer every time someone shoots at the wreck of a DD victim i think we'll be see'ing most of the titans used in fleet battles end this way.. the logistical nightmare of hiding that titan long enough for your fleet to go in and clean up the battlefield (while being shot at by reinforcements) will be too much.
if it turns out that shooting the wrecks does NOT agro the titan then the newly formed internal affairs devision at ccp has some work to do. ----------- *snip* Signiture is anot allowed - please email [email protected] to find out why - hutch |
Louis DelaBlanche
Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:07:00 -
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If BOB genuinely got the Titan using some skillfull probing & all legitimately, then props to them.
If they used some exploit, such as aggro fiddling or otherwise, then your just adding to the hate.
Either way, I hope this kicks D2 into actually doing more then spinning in circles in NPC part of Fountain.
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Kozak
Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:08:00 -
[511]
Shooting a wreck of a pilot, activates teh aggro timer, if he logged off and they scan him out and aggro him, YOU DO NOT GET AGGRO TIMER IF YOU LOG BEFORE THE AGGRO HAPPENED. It's the same thing that happens when people log off in bubbles, they still warp out and dissapear in 30 seconds.
CCP really has their heads up their asses to allow a Titan to get destroyed like this. Very poor show again CCP.
The only way they could have gotten aggro on the Titan is to shoot his can, which is an exploit and is petitionable.
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FireForce
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:08:00 -
[512]
eve is getting lame with all these bugs/exploits. I wouldnt be suprised if old players leave eve soon...
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Kurtz Weber
Minmatar Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:08:00 -
[513]
Edited by: Kurtz Weber on 16/02/2007 20:06:23 Do the whole mob of you realy, I mean realy think that this is due to some kind of DEV involment? Are u realy that uninteligent so you think that anyone from CCP would risk people massivly leaving their game just to see BoB win or just to see the titan go boom? If you lot are realy convinced into stuff u're saying then your stupidity can't be measured... realy...
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Cupdeez
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:09:00 -
[514]
Originally by: Zeveron Some questions:
1. When the Titan logged off, were there any hostiles at the system? 2. Warped he in a DSS to log off? 3. D2 absolute sure that the DSS (if any) not busted?
And some facts:
You guys know that when you log off in a system, ur ship stays in space for 30s to (sometimes) 2 minutes? and thats w/o any aggro timer. Plenty of time to scan you out.
So let see what could have happened if a hostile covert ops was in system:
1. Titan logs off 2. Covert scan him out. 3. He aggro the titan, and the titan gets a 15m aggro timer 4. Titan pilot tries to login, but he canned bcs of many ppl shooting at him 5. He panics, ctrl-q, try again, the same (try to login in space with 40 ppl shooting at you, to c what happens)
I dont say it was that way, but how it can be done. I got probed out that way, but know i ve learned it :-)
No this is no true...
we scanned someone out the other day and tried to kill him but because we didn't get aggro before he logged he only stand around for about 60 sec. and his ship just dissapeard.. We tried to scan it out because we all fired at him but it never came up on scanner.
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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:09:00 -
[515]
Originally by: Shirei What exactly is supposed to have caused this aggro timer? The last kill by WOTANKN on the D2 killboard is a whole 3 days earlier.
Unless I'm mistaken, nobody said he was agro'd, but if there was a covert watching the POS from where he logged off, that gives him a full 2 minutes to scan him out.
Now... I don't know if the Titan logged out directly from the POS, but here is what I do know if he did: - A probing covert can finish a scan in under 50 seconds with fair skills. - Warping off as you log means that you are within 1 million km of the POS. - The prober can then use the most focused probe available, a successful scan would drop him right on top of the Titan.
Any covert pilot worth his salt and on the ball would nab and agress that titan under those conditions 95% of the time. At that point, it's a matter of a cyno pilot bringing in the capship fleet and them warping to the covert's location... dead titan.
Honestly, we haven't seen any battle report whatsoever. It makes a lot of sense to avoid putting forward theories until we hear the actual story.
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Shirei
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:09:00 -
[516]
Originally by: Evil D4rk
Originally by: Shirei What exactly is supposed to have caused this aggro timer? The last kill by WOTANKN on the D2 killboard is a whole 3 days earlier.
You dont have to kill anything to be aggro'ed.
Try that in a titan that kills virtually anything with a single shot.
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Shirei
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:10:00 -
[517]
Originally by: Avernus
Originally by: Shirei What exactly is supposed to have caused this aggro timer? The last kill by WOTANKN on the D2 killboard is a whole 3 days earlier.
Unless I'm mistaken, nobody said he was agro'd, but if there was a covert watching the POS from where he logged off, that gives him a full 2 minutes to scan him out.
Now... I don't know if the Titan logged out directly from the POS, but here is what I do know if he did: - A probing covert can finish a scan in under 50 seconds with fair skills. - Warping off as you log means that you are within 1 million km of the POS. - The prober can then use the most focused probe available, a successful scan would drop him right on top of the Titan.
Any covert pilot worth his salt and on the ball would nab and agress that titan under those conditions 95% of the time. At that point, it's a matter of a cyno pilot bringing in the capship fleet and them warping to the covert's location... dead titan.
Honestly, we haven't seen any battle report whatsoever. It makes a lot of sense to avoid putting forward theories until we hear the actual story.
This is wrong. If you don't have an aggro timer when you log off, you will disappear 1 minute after you arrive at the emergency-warp logoff spot, regardless of if anyone starts shooting you after you logged.
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Kreul Intentions
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:11:00 -
[518]
From this post going forward if you forget the alt rules that apply to this forum, you'll receive an email reminding you of them. Should you continue to troll using BoD/BoC/CCP/GM/DevHacks you will also be reminded that those types of posts will not be tolerated.
Thank you.
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thoth foc
Elcyion Lacar
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:11:00 -
[519]
congratz BOB, top kill.. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB) |
ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:12:00 -
[520]
Originally by: Avernus
Originally by: Shirei What exactly is supposed to have caused this aggro timer? The last kill by WOTANKN on the D2 killboard is a whole 3 days earlier.
Unless I'm mistaken, nobody said he was agro'd, but if there was a covert watching the POS from where he logged off, that gives him a full 2 minutes to scan him out.
Now... I don't know if the Titan logged out directly from the POS, but here is what I do know if he did: - A probing covert can finish a scan in under 50 seconds with fair skills. - Warping off as you log means that you are within 1 million km of the POS. - The prober can then use the most focused probe available, a successful scan would drop him right on top of the Titan.
Any covert pilot worth his salt and on the ball would nab and agress that titan under those conditions 95% of the time. At that point, it's a matter of a cyno pilot bringing in the capship fleet and them warping to the covert's location... dead titan.
Honestly, we haven't seen any battle report whatsoever. It makes a lot of sense to avoid putting forward theories until we hear the actual story.
Just to be clear, your understanding of logging mechanics is flawed. If someone logs out WITHOUT aggro then shooting them does not start a 15minute timer. They simply disappear.
If someone logs out WITH aggro and you spend 14minutes scanning them down then you have one minute to kill them before they disappear.
Dont believe me or unsure? Test it.
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Takita Yukida
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:13:00 -
[521]
What I do not understand with the wreck exploit theory here is the fact that the titan supposidly sat in a POS for 3 hours.
How on earth was there any wreck left to be exploited at all if he did do nothing for 3 hours?
being idle -> no wrecks generated -> no wrecks to be exploited
somehow there seems to be a slight discrepancy about the wreck theory
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Cupdeez
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:14:00 -
[522]
Originally by: Cupdeez
Originally by: Zeveron Some questions:
1. When the Titan logged off, were there any hostiles at the system? 2. Warped he in a DSS to log off? 3. D2 absolute sure that the DSS (if any) not busted?
And some facts:
You guys know that when you log off in a system, ur ship stays in space for 30s to (sometimes) 2 minutes? and thats w/o any aggro timer. Plenty of time to scan you out.
So let see what could have happened if a hostile covert ops was in system:
1. Titan logs off 2. Covert scan him out. 3. He aggro the titan, and the titan gets a 15m aggro timer 4. Titan pilot tries to login, but he canned bcs of many ppl shooting at him 5. He panics, ctrl-q, try again, the same (try to login in space with 40 ppl shooting at you, to c what happens)
I dont say it was that way, but how it can be done. I got probed out that way, but know i ve learned it :-)
No this is no true...
we scanned someone out the other day and tried to kill him but because we didn't get aggro before he logged he only stand around for about 60 sec. and his ship just dissapeard.. We tried to scan it out because we all fired at him but it never came up on scanner.
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Zeveron
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:14:00 -
[523]
Originally by: Cupdeez
Originally by: Zeveron Some questions:
1. When the Titan logged off, were there any hostiles at the system? 2. Warped he in a DSS to log off? 3. D2 absolute sure that the DSS (if any) not busted?
And some facts:
You guys know that when you log off in a system, ur ship stays in space for 30s to (sometimes) 2 minutes? and thats w/o any aggro timer. Plenty of time to scan you out.
So let see what could have happened if a hostile covert ops was in system:
1. Titan logs off 2. Covert scan him out. 3. He aggro the titan, and the titan gets a 15m aggro timer 4. Titan pilot tries to login, but he canned bcs of many ppl shooting at him 5. He panics, ctrl-q, try again, the same (try to login in space with 40 ppl shooting at you, to c what happens)
I dont say it was that way, but how it can be done. I got probed out that way, but know i ve learned it :-)
No this is no true...
we scanned someone out the other day and tried to kill him but because we didn't get aggro before he logged he only stand around for about 60 sec. and his ship just dissapeard.. We tried to scan it out because we all fired at him but it never came up on scanner.
Hmmm then somthing changed here then. Fair enough. Spy with passive targeter maybe?
But lets wait the report :-) ----------------------------------
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sherbert lemon
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: sherbert lemon on 16/02/2007 20:14:37 kk.
People are blaming CCP saying there omfg HaXors and that these ppl quit, well tbh, if u had enough sense to realise that whatever happened it probably didnt affect u all unless ofc ure d2 or something, maybe u shld go find another game :S
1 CCP guy goes Corrupt, happens to be helping BoB - well, they are 5th biggest alliance in game so probability of it being them is high. BoB win lots of fights - they are all experienced and know the game and are mostly veterans, this should be expected that they are decent players A CCP employee who works on admin says well done - if you cant say well done to some guys who may have just executed a very good maneuveur for all this guy knows, then you shouldnt waste ure life posting on supposedly intellectual eve-o forums, there is NEVER anything wrong with saying grats, and why do ppl have to make conspiracies about it? hmm BoB downs a titan - perhaps because of lag/bugs, but its a Game and that happens, CCP can reimburse if it really wasn't d2s fault.
At which point did CCP run scripts and change gameplay to make BoB win, BoB just played a game in which there were probably faults unknown to CCP probably.
I just cant see this, and if CCP really did do this well, ill slap myself.
Also, alotof people in this thread are completely unaffected by what happened, and so why are they going to quit eve when they can still shoot there ebil pirates in there wuiet 0.0 and they can still mine veld in empire, unless ure directly related to this incident in which case ure probably allowed to be a bit angry, so stop giving CCP a hard time about something probably not their fault. I think theyve made a gr8 game and until im proved otherwise i will continue my subscription, seriously, i think CCP need to hear this. Overall, you made a good game
Edit: i didnt read what i wrote so lots of spelling errors/stuff and i know theres lots of grammar errors, o well, u get the jist i hope :)
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:15:00 -
[525]
Originally by: Takita Yukida What I do not understand with the wreck exploit theory here is the fact that the titan supposidly sat in a POS for 3 hours.
How on earth was there any wreck left to be exploited at all if he did do nothing for 3 hours?
being idle -> no wrecks generated -> no wrecks to be exploited
somehow there seems to be a slight discrepancy about the wreck theory
Anchored cans work too.
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Kozak
Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:15:00 -
[526]
Originally by: Avernus
Originally by: Shirei What exactly is supposed to have caused this aggro timer? The last kill by WOTANKN on the D2 killboard is a whole 3 days earlier.
Unless I'm mistaken, nobody said he was agro'd, but if there was a covert watching the POS from where he logged off, that gives him a full 2 minutes to scan him out.
Now... I don't know if the Titan logged out directly from the POS, but here is what I do know if he did: - A probing covert can finish a scan in under 50 seconds with fair skills. - Warping off as you log means that you are within 1 million km of the POS. - The prober can then use the most focused probe available, a successful scan would drop him right on top of the Titan.
Any covert pilot worth his salt and on the ball would nab and agress that titan under those conditions 95% of the time. At that point, it's a matter of a cyno pilot bringing in the capship fleet and them warping to the covert's location... dead titan.
Honestly, we haven't seen any battle report whatsoever. It makes a lot of sense to avoid putting forward theories until we hear the actual story.
If you log and you get scanned out before you dissapear, you don't get aggro. If you closed your client before anyone shot you, your timer is the default timer, 60 seconds, then you just dissapear.
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Darth Sith
Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:16:00 -
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Mkay ..
I am not one to jump to conclusions .. so when I heard of this exploit .. a number of my alliance mates checked it out .. guess what .. it does exist and the exploit works ..
What does that mean ?
It means that once again BOB MAY have managed to use exploitation of game mechanics to gain an unfair advantage. This also begs the question; How does it seem to be that the alliance that makes use of this exploit just happens to be the same Band of ***** that got their noses bloodied over having cheating dev's in their ranks. Lets face it, it would be a dev that would be the one to expose this issue unless you know of anyone else out there that happens to go around shooting wrecks of logged off players while scanning to see what happens ..?
As a paying player of Eve, the simple fact that a dev or ccp employee is allowed to hold a position of power in game completely baffles me and quite simply insults me. A dev is someone we have to inheritly trust as they are intimate with the internal mechanics of the game and are thus in possesion of very tempting data.
Discovering a Dev in BOB, an alliance that prides itself on "doing whatever it takes" is no different then finding out that one of the guys that wrote the code for your bank's firewall is also nightlighting in a hacker group breaking into the same bank. They are both absolutely inexcusable.
Every where I go in game I see it constantly where people are fed up with :
a) devs involvement b) exploits not being addressed / punished severely c) moderators shutting down every thread that tries to convey the fustration
IMHO, a complete investigation should be done into this and if warranted, the titan returned in addition to the exploiters recieving bans ..
That begs the other questions .. If it is returned, how do you make up for the titan being removed from theater and the impact it would have had on the campaign if this had not occured. How will CCP/ BOB save face on this one ?
This is not a rant, this is my attempt to verbalize my complete dismay at the current state of eve. I fell in love with EVE a long time ago and it used to bring me great pleasure in achiving the next goal. Now I find that I have to struggle to remain positive on the aspects of the game that still work and find a way to stop myself from just canceling my subscription(s)...
Please, for the sake of the future of EVE, get this fixed and admit when things are wrong... without us, the players, you are nothing CCP ..
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Plim
Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:16:00 -
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17 pages, nothing actually close to an explanation as to what happened.
Just "LOL GOOD WORK BOBZ YOU ARE UBER, I KISS YOUR ASS SO YOU MUST BE 100% LEGIT"
and,
"OMG BOBZ USED HAX AND SPACE ALIENS".
Can we get some actual logic in this thread please?
Or a ******* GM to look at logs?
Christ. ----------------- signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link) - Jacques([email protected])
Originally by: BoB forum PR Toxic sludge is good for you.
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Knerf
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:16:00 -
[529]
Originally by: Kreul Intentions From this post going forward if you forget the alt rules that apply to this forum, you'll receive an email reminding you of them. Should you continue to troll using BoD/BoC/CCP/GM/DevHacks you will also be reminded that those types of posts will not be tolerated.
Thank you.
saying "BoD/BoC/CCP/GM/DevHacks" as you put it above is not trolling when it has been confirmed by CCP themselves that cheating actually took place, it is just stating facts and stating facts is not trolling the last time i checked because if it was then you could pretty much delete this enither forum section as all of it could be considered trolling.
off that note, i believe that the titan loss is a sham, if it was not destroyed due to dubious tactics (bug exploit, devine intervention) by the attackers then it was lost due to a bug in the game mechanics as the ship should have disappeared after 2 min due to no aggro timer (shooting after logging off not suposto reactivate the timer).
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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:17:00 -
[530]
Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch
Originally by: Avernus
Originally by: Shirei What exactly is supposed to have caused this aggro timer? The last kill by WOTANKN on the D2 killboard is a whole 3 days earlier.
Unless I'm mistaken, nobody said he was agro'd, but if there was a covert watching the POS from where he logged off, that gives him a full 2 minutes to scan him out.
Now... I don't know if the Titan logged out directly from the POS, but here is what I do know if he did: - A probing covert can finish a scan in under 50 seconds with fair skills. - Warping off as you log means that you are within 1 million km of the POS. - The prober can then use the most focused probe available, a successful scan would drop him right on top of the Titan.
Any covert pilot worth his salt and on the ball would nab and agress that titan under those conditions 95% of the time. At that point, it's a matter of a cyno pilot bringing in the capship fleet and them warping to the covert's location... dead titan.
Honestly, we haven't seen any battle report whatsoever. It makes a lot of sense to avoid putting forward theories until we hear the actual story.
Just to be clear, your understanding of logging mechanics is flawed. If someone logs out WITHOUT aggro then shooting them does not start a 15minute timer. They simply disappear.
If someone logs out WITH aggro and you spend 14minutes scanning them down then you have one minute to kill them before they disappear.
Dont believe me or unsure? Test it.
Fair enough, I'm certainly as prone to misunderstanding Eve mechanics as the next person.
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Kozak
Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:17:00 -
[531]
On the other hand, if you shoot that person's can, you can keep him in space for 2 hours. I'm sure the titan has many cans littering the battlefield.
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Brisi
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:17:00 -
[532]
Originally by: AMD383 http://freenet-homepage.de/winchip2/time.PNG and hear whit time 5s for Shrike to replay!
Yeah, no way anyone can manage to type "Thank You" in less than 5 seconds. That's so ******* unbelievable it must be hax! He sooooo knew that the Dev would write thatw, so he had his "Thank You" reply copied and readied. OMGWTFHAX!
/emote puts on tinfoil-hat and climbs under the table. Majorleague baseball will get us ALL! YOU HEAR ME???!!! THEY'LL KILL US ALL!!!!!
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Darth Sith
Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:18:00 -
[533]
Originally by: Kreul Intentions From this post going forward if you forget the alt rules that apply to this forum, you'll receive an email reminding you of them. Should you continue to troll using BoD/BoC/CCP/GM/DevHacks you will also be reminded that those types of posts will not be tolerated.
Thank you.
Kreul .. how long do you guys think you can just keep telling the player base to keep their mouth shut ?
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Caledric
Amarr SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:18:00 -
[534]
Originally by: Takita Yukida What I do not understand with the wreck exploit theory here is the fact that the titan supposidly sat in a POS for 3 hours.
How on earth was there any wreck left to be exploited at all if he did do nothing for 3 hours?
being idle -> no wrecks generated -> no wrecks to be exploited
somehow there seems to be a slight discrepancy about the wreck theory
A wreck can be kept alive for days simply by shooting it once every hour or so with a low damage weapon. You don't even have to do damage, just engage it somehow. I've kept a wreck alive for 4 days before doing this. And D2 did kill several folks with the DD so its entirely possible that this method was used.
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Grimeh
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:19:00 -
[535]
Originally by: Kozak Shooting a wreck of a pilot, activates teh aggro timer, if he logged off and they scan him out and aggro him, YOU DO NOT GET AGGRO TIMER IF YOU LOG BEFORE THE AGGRO HAPPENED. It's the same thing that happens when people log off in bubbles, they still warp out and dissapear in 30 seconds.
CCP really has their heads up their asses to allow a Titan to get destroyed like this. Very poor show again CCP.
The only way they could have gotten aggro on the Titan is to shoot his can, which is an exploit and is petitionable.
So how was this wreck created?
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FGxHalsey
Freedom Guard Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:19:00 -
[536]
Ok, did BoB exploit a bug? Probably. I find the circumstances behind the titan loss to be a bit too fishy. BoB also have a history of such 'tactics' so it doesn't suprise me at all.
Did CCP help them? No I don't think so. I think the admin should have bookmarked the sight and not said anything in local. CCP needs to avoid all appearances of impropriety to restore the trust that the users had in them and that includes any public association with BoB.
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Pika Chu
Caldari Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:21:00 -
[537]
Originally by: Knerf
Originally by: Kreul Intentions From this post going forward if you forget the alt rules that apply to this forum, you'll receive an email reminding you of them. Should you continue to troll using BoD/BoC/CCP/GM/DevHacks you will also be reminded that those types of posts will not be tolerated.
Thank you.
saying "BoD/BoC/CCP/GM/DevHacks" as you put it above is not trolling when it has been confirmed by CCP themselves that cheating actually took place, it is just stating facts and stating facts is not trolling the last time i checked because if it was then you could pretty much delete this enither forum section as all of it could be considered trolling.
off that note, i believe that the titan loss is a sham, if it was not destroyed due to dubious tactics (bug exploit, devine intervention) by the attackers then it was lost due to a bug in the game mechanics as the ship should have disappeared after 2 min due to no aggro timer (shooting after logging off not suposto reactivate the timer).
CCP cheated by helping BoB, its not like BoB paid t20 or anything to do it, and name calling is trolling and thats exactly what BoD/BoC/CCP/GM/DevHacks is. |
Slayton Ford
Caldari Kudzu Collective
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:21:00 -
[538]
It seems odd that you should not expect to be safe logging off in a PoS. Your in a safe spot yet the act of logging puts you in a non-safe spot.
A simple fix to this is to allow ships to be anchored. When a ship is anchored, it connot be moved so therefore the emergency warp cannot kick in and move the ship to a non-safe spot. Now its safe to log in a PoS with a agression timer.
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Alice Cholmondeley
Christine.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:21:00 -
[539]
Edited by: Alice Cholmondeley on 16/02/2007 20:20:01
Originally by: Darth Sith
Originally by: Kreul Intentions From this post going forward if you forget the alt rules that apply to this forum, you'll receive an email reminding you of them. Should you continue to troll using BoD/BoC/CCP/GM/DevHacks you will also be reminded that those types of posts will not be tolerated.
Thank you.
Kreul .. how long do you guys think you can just keep telling the player base to keep their mouth shut ?
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zepter
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:22:00 -
[540]
Originally by: Grimeh
So how was this wreck created?
It could've been an anchored can too
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:22:00 -
[541]
Edited by: Gnulpie on 16/02/2007 20:19:38 I guess that this can be resolved in a time not too long.
CCP has logs and they show the type of aggro when you log out, for example if it is npc aggro or what else not.
So this shouldn't take too long to sort out.
Edit: spelling level 0
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:22:00 -
[542]
Originally by: Kozak On the other hand, if you shoot that person's can, you can keep him in space for 2 hours. I'm sure the titan has many cans littering the battlefield.
If the titan pilot killed anything, that created wrecks or cans why are there no titan kills on the d2 kill board for this morning?
How can BoB exploit wrecks if the D2 didnt make any wrecks with thier titan....... __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =- |
Jake Noble
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:23:00 -
[543]
Edited by: Jake Noble on 16/02/2007 20:20:23 Remember guys if you think its fishy CCP setup there new department EXACTLY for these reasons petition and make it clear you think something was up and they will investigate... forum *****ing gets no one anywhere and no closer to the truth.
I have no doubt in my mind that bob killed the titan with pure legit tactics so kudos to them, however I know some do not share the same feeling.
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Grimeh
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:23:00 -
[544]
Originally by: Raivi Edited by: Raivi on 16/02/2007 20:17:05
Originally by: Grimeh
So how was this wreck created?
When the titan killed somebody hours before. (Hypothetically)
No kills by the titan since tuesday logged on D2 board..
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zepter
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:24:00 -
[545]
Originally by: Popsikle How can BoB exploit wrecks if the D2 didnt make any wrecks with thier titan.......
Read my post.
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Pepperami
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:24:00 -
[546]
Originally by: Caledric A wreck can be kept alive for days simply by shooting it once every hour or so with a low damage weapon. You don't even have to do damage, just engage it somehow. I've kept a wreck alive for 4 days before doing this. And D2 did kill several folks with the DD so its entirely possible that this method was used.
How did you live without the sleep? Or was it power-nap, wakeup, engage wreck, go back to power-nap?
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Grimeh
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:26:00 -
[547]
Edited by: Grimeh on 16/02/2007 20:22:14
Originally by: Pepperami
Originally by: Caledric A wreck can be kept alive for days simply by shooting it once every hour or so with a low damage weapon. You don't even have to do damage, just engage it somehow. I've kept a wreck alive for 4 days before doing this. And D2 did kill several folks with the DD so its entirely possible that this method was used.
How did you live without the sleep? Or was it power-nap, wakeup, engage wreck, go back to power-nap?
dont forget he was shooting it every 3 hour or so using a civilian gatling gun
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:26:00 -
[548]
Originally by: zepter
Originally by: Grimeh
So how was this wreck created?
It could've been an anchored can too
No, thats not the way the exploit works. You cant get aggro from someoen shooting your anchored can. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =- |
Ajaku
LiveTech
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:26:00 -
[549]
I am thinking that it was either the wreck/can exploit.
Or it was the passive targeting module exploit, that module gives the pilot it is used on an agro timer, and in 0.0, they would have no clue.
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Admentus Cor'vion
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:27:00 -
[550]
Originally by: Jon Hawkes This moment is so amazing... I just think I may have to have sex with it...
Actually, I thought that last moment (hello aeon) was amazing. But in reality, I'd divorce that other moment, marry this one, and have a family of tiny little moments.
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Darth Sith
Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:27:00 -
[551]
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Questions that should be answered by CCP:
1. Was the titan killed in under 2 minutes? 2. Was the titan aggroed? 3. If the titan was aggroed? How was it aggroed, and by who?
The only way I can see this kill happening is if they: a) managed to probe it and kill it in under 2 minutes (seems unlikely) b) Wreck exploit. c) Whatever system bug or unknown exploit that causes people to stay in space for a very long time with no aggro timer (happened to many of my corpmates in jv1v) d) The titan was somehow aggroed by a friendly pilot and didn't see it. This could've been a spy, or just a retard. But this option seems very unlikely since he was in a pos...(although I hear there is an exploit to lock people in pos that I don't know about).
If bob, d2, or ccp would care to answer these questions then I'm sure the community would be placated. If they killed the titan in 2 minutes, then good job. If they somehow managed to aggro the titan without him knowing it via a spy or whatever then also a good job. Both events seem unlikely though.
Shamis
Incorrect .. one of the patches changed the non-aggro logoff to 30 seconds .. have one of your buddies logoff and see how long they sit in space before they disappear if you don't believe me :)
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:27:00 -
[552]
Originally by: Slayton Ford It seems odd that you should not expect to be safe logging off in a PoS. Your in a safe spot yet the act of logging puts you in a non-safe spot.
A simple fix to this is to allow ships to be anchored. When a ship is anchored, it connot be moved so therefore the emergency warp cannot kick in and move the ship to a non-safe spot. Now its safe to log in a PoS with a agression timer.
Logging at a POS is bad... What happens when the POS your att gets popped while your logged out, and a enemy one gets put in its spot.... __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =- |
Knerf
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:27:00 -
[553]
Originally by: Pika Chu
Originally by: Knerf
Originally by: Kreul Intentions From this post going forward if you forget the alt rules that apply to this forum, you'll receive an email reminding you of them. Should you continue to troll using BoD/BoC/CCP/GM/DevHacks you will also be reminded that those types of posts will not be tolerated.
Thank you.
saying "BoD/BoC/CCP/GM/DevHacks" as you put it above is not trolling when it has been confirmed by CCP themselves that cheating actually took place, it is just stating facts and stating facts is not trolling the last time i checked because if it was then you could pretty much delete this enither forum section as all of it could be considered trolling.
off that note, i believe that the titan loss is a sham, if it was not destroyed due to dubious tactics (bug exploit, devine intervention) by the attackers then it was lost due to a bug in the game mechanics as the ship should have disappeared after 2 min due to no aggro timer (shooting after logging off not suposto reactivate the timer).
CCP cheated by helping BoB, its not like BoB paid t20 or anything to do it, and name calling is trolling and thats exactly what BoD/BoC/CCP/GM/DevHacks is.
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if you are naive enough to believe they didnt take any "extra" help in the know that they had a dev on their side then i pitty you, if not you are an alt or have aan app into bob and are trying to forum warrior yourself into getting accepted. i never said bob paid t20 either, and its not name calling when you are calling them by their first name...
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:27:00 -
[554]
Originally by: Caledric
Originally by: Takita Yukida What I do not understand with the wreck exploit theory here is the fact that the titan supposidly sat in a POS for 3 hours.
How on earth was there any wreck left to be exploited at all if he did do nothing for 3 hours?
being idle -> no wrecks generated -> no wrecks to be exploited
somehow there seems to be a slight discrepancy about the wreck theory
A wreck can be kept alive for days simply by shooting it once every hour or so with a low damage weapon. You don't even have to do damage, just engage it somehow. I've kept a wreck alive for 4 days before doing this. And D2 did kill several folks with the DD so its entirely possible that this method was used.
IIRC that only works with NPC can's/wrecks, and not with player wrecks.
With the 13,426 differant ways this could have occured I'm more then willing to sit on the fence and wait and see what exactly happens.
For all we know, it could have been as simple as a D2 pilot cleaning up random extra can's that were laying around. I don't think is nieve of me to think that given the events that have taken place, and the proportion of this kill the GM's will be looking at this very closely to see what took place.
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:35:00 -
[555]
Originally by: Gregarius IMHO: The player community needs a clear statement from CCP stating that it was a clear and fair fight and nothing fishy has happend. By supplying data and log of all events and parties involved and a clear indication of the used game-mechanics that made this happen would clear all the smoke and fog around this event.
For the sake of all the countless players, who are not trolling and forum fighting and just want to play EVE as it was meant to be, please make the petition a public and a closed topic in order noone only the relevant and public oppinions would be readable.
Thank you in advance for your kind response. Gregarius WOT
IMO, if it was a valid tactic that got the kill, why should CCP tell everyone in the world about how BoB kills titans... Thats like giving away the plans for a nuke, it jut wouldnt be right for them to say, "Hey listen, they got the kill legit, and here is exactly how they did it, so everyone else can do it too!" What would be the point of thinking in eve if everytime you out thunk someone CCP came and told everyone how you did it? __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =- |
Mariko San
Saints Surrounded
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:36:00 -
[556]
Originally by: Aries Acheron I have a question. Everyone's commenting on how BoB has exploited by using passive targetters on wrecks, to keep aggro on the Titan.
The question is, if the Titan was possed up for 3 hours, doing no damage or anything.. how could it still be aggroed, since all the wrecks would have expired hours ago?
Well if that was the case then how on earth was it possible that it was stil in space when it got destroyed and did not disappear after 30 seconds? Question: if CCP new about the Dev spawned BoB BPO's last summer why were they not removed last summer? |
Ewa Quillam
Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:38:00 -
[557]
Originally by: Avernus
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 16/02/2007 19:25:02
Originally by: Avernus
Look closer, he says 'congrats to all involved'. That includes D2, the titan pilot, and everyone in system. Titan deaths are landmark events; winner or loser, you've just been marked down in Eve history for being there.
There was no D2 involved. The Titan logged off from POS after 3 hours. He was then probed and Shrike jumpbridged a fleet on it.
Wait a sec... you mean to tell me that the Titan logged off from a POS where D2 had no forces, and it had hostiles in local? . .. ... So you didn't jump out the Titan to a clear system, warp him to a deep safe and log off without agression. Why is anyone surprised that this titan got lost? Truth be told, you almost lost it last week but never heard about it. Your titan logged in a system that had Fixians in it while they were up in Fountain. Were it not for a lack of coverts at the time, we'd have it probed out ourselves.
Honestly, the way you treated your titan and protected it, the loss is of little surprise. Condolences for the loss, but maybe turn the eye inward to see why it could have happened.
So, you are justifying the exploit?????? lol
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Kam SingDu'k
Singularity.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:38:00 -
[558]
Frickkin awesome event! 2 titans down in 2 days, does this mean the coalition no longer hold titans? Not that I'm siding with bob because i aint but looking from the outside its definately made things more exciting for both sides lawl. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Taiatia (mods@ccpgames) |
Plaetean
Blood Sweat and Tears
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:38:00 -
[559]
From the information posted by the D2 members, it looks like the only possible way the titan could have been killed is by BoB using spies in D2 to agro the titan before it logged. My question to D2 is, were there other people inside the POS? Or, if they've been shooting through a POS bubble before, that's a possibility too.
I don't see how this wreck exploit is feasable as afaik wrecks don't last that long.
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Itzena
Amarr OtakuDyne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:38:00 -
[560]
The 'tactic' BoB used will only be fixed once BoB loses a Titan to it. -- I want my people to reclaim their rightful place in the galaxy... I want a rebirth of glory, a renaissance of power... I want us to be what we used to be. |
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Empyre
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:41:00 -
[561]
Edited by: Empyre on 16/02/2007 20:38:04
Originally by: Kozak Shooting a wreck of a pilot, activates teh aggro timer, if he logged off and they scan him out and aggro him, YOU DO NOT GET AGGRO TIMER IF YOU LOG BEFORE THE AGGRO HAPPENED. It's the same thing that happens when people log off in bubbles, they still warp out and dissapear in 30 seconds.
CCP really has their heads up their asses to allow a Titan to get destroyed like this. Very poor show again CCP.
The only way they could have gotten aggro on the Titan is to shoot his can, which is an exploit and is petitionable.
if the titan was sitting in a POS for so many hours, how did he generate wrecks to be shot at?
EDIT: someone beat me to it!
to all the people crying exploit and saying they are going to quit, i say good.freaking.riddance. the world, virtual or no, is better off without you.
People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue. |
Jackkal
Order of Melekel
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:41:00 -
[562]
Originally by: Zrevak Ashek FFS! One must think ppl would learn from CYVVOKS mistakes, but nooooo...
There is rumor that cyvok was ip kicked from the server.This info was out before the whole scandel surfaced, will be interesting to hear how bod shot another offline titan
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Zanarkand
Gallente Enterprise Estonia Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:41:00 -
[563]
Seriously, if I had a IWIN button of eve in my hands and I needed to logoff, I would make it 100% (times 10) sure that the titan actually disappeared!!!
Making an ALLIANCE wide 100+ man op of making sure that the titan really has actually disappeared, even cyno it into a random system and making it 100% sure with... How did D2 miss it themselves?
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:41:00 -
[564]
Originally by: Grainsalt
I think Shrike saying DigitalCommunist's Plan worked kinda blows it out of the water.
Not really. Thats actually pretty silly logic when you think about it, unless of course you happen to be privy to exactly what that plan was.
Your simply assuming that the plan was to shoot a wreck and keep the pilot aggro'd. Thats really it nothing more then an assumption, for all we know the plan was to pay a D2 member the shoot/smartbomb the titan when he was close enough.
I think we all need to stop foaming at the mouth here when ever BOB does something. I'll be the first to admit that I havn't the slightest clue as to what happened, other then a titan died today. Niether does anyone else posting in this thread as a matter of fact.
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Dinamita Tona
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:41:00 -
[565]
from what i understand from people that were there, they probed, found, whatever i don't know that part, titan who was online and operational, nosed / neutralized its cap to point where it cant dd, or jump out with capital ships already fitted for that just in case, bubbled it with lots of dictors, and started killing it. When he went to armor he got scared and tried to log off, then 1 minute later he logged back on, tried to get out, didn't made it, got blown in 5 minutes, and got podded.
So there wasn't agro timer, crushing to desktop or whatever. From what i was told it was lag free fight with titan pilot logged on for most part of it.
Good Job BoB, keep it up. Damn sry i missed it all. damn work and ****.
And to all of you screaming hax and exploits you have no idea how hilarious you sound. But then i guess its same in any game. When someone kicks your ass he cheats.
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Dupre Indelian
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:42:00 -
[566]
If BoB really did kill a Titan by fair tacticts, then I say can only say Respect.
But if they managed to keep an aggro alive by exploiting borked game mechanics, then I say BoB deserves their new nickname: Band of Cheaters.
I will also closely monitor how this affair is handled. A month ago I would have said I will remain here until the servers go down, but now I am not so sure anymore. The trust in CCP has been lost, maybe forever.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente easyCredits Event-Horizon
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:42:00 -
[567]
Above Poster is me, just choose an Alt by accident.
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Itzena
Amarr OtakuDyne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:43:00 -
[568]
Originally by: Empyre if the titan was sitting in a POS for so many hours, how did he generate wrecks to be shot at?
Existing wrecks can be 'refreshed' (read: despawn timer reset) by shooting them. Shoot them with a bad enough gun (newbie civilian gun, for example) and wrecks can be kept up for hours...even days.
Titans and motherships are now utterly worthless in EVE - kill anything with one and your enemies can reset your aggro timer for as long as they want, effectively. -- I want my people to reclaim their rightful place in the galaxy... I want a rebirth of glory, a renaissance of power... I want us to be what we used to be. |
Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:44:00 -
[569]
Originally by: Ajaku
No, a passive targeter used on the titan, and I don't know for sure, but I think they work while cloaked and POS shields don't stop it.
Passive targetters don't cause aggression. That would be new. Otherwise you would get killed by concord for using them in high sec. And you can't fire weapons while cloaked, so how do you you aggress someone cloaked then ? _______ I came, I read, I lol'ed. |
Jayden13
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:44:00 -
[570]
The fact that this titan, like the last situation, didn't go down gun's blazing, raises a question of authenticity on it's own. It went down when the pilot wasn't even there.
Now, you want to call that a landmark event? Beyond this, it's the whole idea that the titan died when the pilot wasn't there. I don't care how you call it, and I don't care what exploit was used. If it died when the pilot wasn't in it, and the last place the titan and pilot were before log-off was the POS (read: secure location), then if that titan died between the pilot's log-off and the pilot's return, then how do you justify that as a kill?
Now that's case one. Case two is that it did in fact go down with the pilot in it. If this is the case, I renounce every word above. If so, then get over it, and get on with the game. If you lost a titan, and you lost it fairly, then hell, that's nothing to be ashamed of. You had a titan, which should mean something, and just the fact that you have the ability to lose it is pretty nice. Further, if you had a titan, you're probably loaded enough to the point where you can build another one, perhaps yes you'll have to wait, but I have no doubt you can do it. The worst thing you can do now is quit, as Cyvok did. It's only then, when you give up, that you're enemies win.
Now, that said...what's the salvage looking like on that thing?
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:44:00 -
[571]
Originally by: Darth Sith Incorrect .. one of the patches changed the non-aggro logoff to 30 seconds .. have one of your buddies logoff and see how long they sit in space before they disappear if you don't believe me :)
I think you're wrong, but if you're correct then that only makes the titan kill look less legitimate.
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Grainsalt
Free Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:46:00 -
[572]
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Grainsalt
I think Shrike saying DigitalCommunist's Plan worked kinda blows it out of the water.
Not really. Thats actually pretty silly logic when you think about it, unless of course you happen to be privy to exactly what that plan was.
Your simply assuming that the plan was to shoot a wreck and keep the pilot aggro'd. Thats really it nothing more then an assumption, for all we know the plan was to pay a D2 member the shoot/smartbomb the titan when he was close enough.
I think we all need to stop foaming at the mouth here when ever BOB does something. I'll be the first to admit that I havn't the slightest clue as to what happened, other then a titan died today. Niether does anyone else posting in this thread as a matter of fact.
Sorry, should have probably made myself more clear. I don't think they did wrecks necessarily, but unless there has been some other way of "Agressing" someone without them being aware of it it still comes across as a way of "bending" mechanics. However, as I have never flown a titan I probably don't know.
However, I really hope D2 get the titan back so it can be killed properly, as I am sure D2 (AND BOB) would want. Another Cyvok kill makes me feal sad. ---
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largoo
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:49:00 -
[573]
which explication about that ?
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Neako
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:49:00 -
[574]
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: artemis doom WOKATANK got the titan back?
of course he will get it back as bob apparently used a wrecksploit to aggro him after he just had logged off.
the lame people just got even more lame and once again they have been found cheating and exploiting.
D2 claims the titan sat in a pos for 3 hours doing nothing until it went into another system. Wrecks only last for a MAXIMUM of 2 hours. So how exactly would they do a wreck sploit?
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Pika Chu
Caldari Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:50:00 -
[575]
Originally by: largoo which explication about that ?
video sheat, bob
How many times you gonna post that, considering as irrelevant as it is to this discussion? |
Kraca
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:50:00 -
[576]
Originally by: Darth Sith This also begs the question;
Originally by: Darth Sith That begs the other questions ..
Normally I'd let this go, but dude, twice in one post? It doesn't mean what you think it means.
If you are in a formal debate with someone about a factual issue, and they put forth an argument that depends on the factual issue under discussion, please do use this phrase. I'll smile.
If, however, you are looking for a clever way to say "it makes me wonder" or "we should be asking about", stay away.
We are always fighting an uphill battle to have our opinions considered and accepted by other people; why should you give them such easy reasons to discard you and your words as ignorant?
With that out of the way, I think that CCP should probably have a big meeting and reconsider letting employees play. If the forums are to be believed, the appearance of misconduct can be worse than actual misconduct, and the potential for misconduct is (amazingly) even worse than that.
I'm estimating about 750 posts regarding the defunct D2 titan so far, and we still know nothing. As far as I can tell, no one who was involved in the incident, or even in the system when it happened has accused anyone of wrongdoing, and yet the mob has decided that BoB used the wreck exploit AND that a developer (owned by BoB, naturally) did "something" wrong.
Is anyone at all interested in finding out what really happened before throwing wild accusations around?
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Sathrai
No Quarter. C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:50:00 -
[577]
Originally by: Neako
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: artemis doom WOKATANK got the titan back?
of course he will get it back as bob apparently used a wrecksploit to aggro him after he just had logged off.
the lame people just got even more lame and once again they have been found cheating and exploiting.
D2 claims the titan sat in a pos for 3 hours doing nothing until it went into another system. Wrecks only last for a MAXIMUM of 2 hours. So how exactly would they do a wreck sploit?
As has been said repeatedly in this thread, it is apparently possible to keep wrecks alive...indefinitely, in theory.
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Troubadour
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:51:00 -
[578]
Originally by: Gregarius IMHO: The player community needs a clear statement from CCP stating that it was a clear and fair fight and nothing fishy has happend. By supplying data and log of all events and parties involved and a clear indication of the used game-mechanics that made this happen would clear all the smoke and fog around this event.
Why? You'll just say CCP is lying and and they are still conspiring with BoB to rule eve. It's not CCP's job to convince you of every kill. If it's something that can be reimbursed, it will be. But it seems like a simple case of someone forgetting a simple rule, wait 15 minutes before you log after being aggroed, or you will be in space still. Whoops. Doesn't matter if it's a Megathron or Erebus, THE SAME RULE APPLIES.
quit whining.
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Shirei
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:54:00 -
[579]
Originally by: Troubadour
Why? You'll just say CCP is lying and and they are still conspiring with BoB to rule eve. It's not CCP's job to convince you of every kill. If it's something that can be reimbursed, it will be. But it seems like a simple case of someone forgetting a simple rule, wait 15 minutes before you log after being aggroed, or you will be in space still. Whoops. Doesn't matter if it's a Megathron or Erebus, THE SAME RULE APPLIES.
quit whining.
All CCP would need to do is say where the aggro came from.
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Fornacis
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:55:00 -
[580]
How did it happen? The ol' aggro wrecks and probe ship exploit?
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DiuxDium
Casting Shadows
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:56:00 -
[581]
To summarize this thread.
OMG BOB HAXSPLOTS
In the words of the eternal mother.
Cry more Noobs.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:58:00 -
[582]
Originally by: Grainsalt
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Grainsalt
I think Shrike saying DigitalCommunist's Plan worked kinda blows it out of the water.
Not really. Thats actually pretty silly logic when you think about it, unless of course you happen to be privy to exactly what that plan was.
Your simply assuming that the plan was to shoot a wreck and keep the pilot aggro'd. Thats really it nothing more then an assumption, for all we know the plan was to pay a D2 member the shoot/smartbomb the titan when he was close enough.
I think we all need to stop foaming at the mouth here when ever BOB does something. I'll be the first to admit that I havn't the slightest clue as to what happened, other then a titan died today. Niether does anyone else posting in this thread as a matter of fact.
Sorry, should have probably made myself more clear. I don't think they did wrecks necessarily, but unless there has been some other way of "Agressing" someone without them being aware of it it still comes across as a way of "bending" mechanics. However, as I have never flown a titan I probably don't know.
However, I really hope D2 get the titan back so it can be killed properly, as I am sure D2 (AND BOB) would want. Another Cyvok kill makes me feal sad.
Now I have always heard, though it might be incorrect, the wrecks exploit only works if its an NPC wreck. Which means that the titan pilot would have had to have killed an NPC. However, to my knowledge, the doomsday was fired around a POS, which of course don't have NPC's, and as such can not create an NPC wreck to be exploited.
Now I could be wrong about that, fact of the matter is I don't know, and niether do any of the posters in this thread, they are only speculating, same as me. There's also a large numbers of ways in which the titan could have been aggro'd with out hax'rsploits. Some D2 muppet with a smartbomb, for example, and unless your looking at your game loggs uber closely, your not going to notice such a small hit.
Heck it could have been simply a buggy aggro timer. If this is the case I can't blame BOB for warping in and killing it, since anyone of us would have done the same not knowing why it was still in space, only that it was there.
Or of course, some muppet could have been target painting a can. Fact is we don't know, no one really does, and all the stuff that has been posted and the accusations thrown around are nothing more then pure speculation at this point in time.
I personally havn't the slightest clue as to what happened. And am sitting on the fence untill I do, not supporting either side, something maybe we should all do untill we have more info.
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Nymos
Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:59:00 -
[583]
Originally by: Mistress Suffering I'd like some details from thos who actually know the facts, but the story that seems to be trickling forth sounds like:
1. Titan sat in POS for a long time to deaggro. 2. BoB used a (hello, pay attention here) known bug to keep it aggro'd. 3. Titan pilot eventually leaves for RL. 4. Empty Titan emergency warps out of the POS but sits in space for 15 mins thanks to buggy aggro timer. 5. BoB, waiting for this, hops in and blows it up.
So they're exploiting a known bug and the GM congratulates them for it rather than spanking them and getting the bug fixed? Why is that exactly?
QFT.
shooting cans to keep agro up is surely abusing a bug. i'm not sure if it is officially a bug, but it can't be intended either. petition it and get ccp to declare it a bug, then it probably qualifies for reimbursement. what, titans don't qualify for this, someone might say? why not? if it's a bug it's not your fault you died. heck, you get ships reimbursed just because you say "omg my client crashed".
i'm not a master tinfoil hatter and i couldn't care less what the "superpowers" in eve are doing because i do my own thing, but if this is the truth what mistress suffering said then wtf has eve become? a competition of who got the better understanding of bugs and bad game mechanics? very questionable even though a kill is a kill is a kill, but ccp should still look into this. --
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Kurtz Weber
Minmatar Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:59:00 -
[584]
Originally by: Shirei
All CCP would need to do is say where the aggro came from.
If it's a tactic within game mechanics which was used, why would CCP interfere and give info to you bunch?
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Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:59:00 -
[585]
Originally by: Kreul Intentions From this post going forward if you forget the alt rules that apply to this forum, you'll receive an email reminding you of them. Should you continue to troll using BoD/BoC/CCP/GM/DevHacks you will also be reminded that those types of posts will not be tolerated.
Thank you.
Kreul -
The player base is truely upset at what has happened. When a cheat accures in a game you pay for it becomes a huge deal. This is how upset people are at what has gone down. This is how upset they will be if it happens again. Yes, it has ruined the face of an entire alliance. I'm not out to get any warning ect ect, but goodness sakes...we are important as customers right? and the customers are extremely unhappy. Eve will survive this...the game is way to loved to die. The eve community might lose a few, but not alot of the player base if any at all. I know CCP adores their creation just like we the players do. Just stop the stuff from happening period. At least the most epic war time in eve history is resulting from it.
Ask yourself...what happens when a player is caught cheating in a poker game...you bet...they never play it again with those folks...ever. Its a nasty way to win...and how many times has the story behind the alliaces been effected to unrealistic results from cheats. Understand the customer, see where we are comming from please...The name calling is in fact wrong to do, and you are right to warn, but for some it is the only way folks are getting any satisfaction out of their dollars spent to play, because up to now there is no resolve from CCP, just post on how you want to stop it, lacking all details, in vague responses to the community..
We love this game...we want it online for years...doesn't this matter? Just commenting from a long time customer that wants it fair. I pray this post is taken with care and does not offend anyone that works hard to keep us online, because it is only to tell you where we the customer are comming from and we want to love this game in fair terms.
Love you CCP...fix-er up please...
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Phelan Lore
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:59:00 -
[586]
There's something fishy going on with agro timers. We had several pilots unable to log out and dissapear from space in JV1V about a week ago. A GM even confirmed that one of our pilots stayed in space for longer than 2 minutes with no agro timer. -
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Relyen
Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:59:00 -
[587]
I think it's best to wait for an official post from BoB or D2 detailing the situation before jumping to conclusions based off posts made from people not in either of the alliances and acting off heresay.
Either way, Congratz BoB, awesome kill.
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ExpNinja
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:02:00 -
[588]
wonder if this titan is brought back, will cyvok's?
cyvok commanded the biggest alliance in eve and secretly built the titan.. i would think he knew about the aggro timer.
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JoDirt
Minmatar Tides of Silence SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:04:00 -
[589]
Fishy
Grats CCP --------------------------------
Quote: Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely...
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dabster
Minmatar Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:04:00 -
[590]
Originally by: ExpNinja wonder if this titan is brought back, will cyvok's?
cyvok commanded the biggest alliance in eve and secretly built the titan.. i would think he knew about the aggro timer.
He knew, his loss was because he was unable to log back in. ___________________________ Trust In Rust!
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Takita Yukida
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:04:00 -
[591]
hmm a feasable solution to aggro the titan without shady things would be to smartbomb it. it is big, surely some part of it will be close enough to the perimiter of the POS bubble to reach with a fast inty, or cruiser equipped with a smartbomb. The titan pilot having disabled all effects and not being targetted would not even see it unless checking his logs Logging off after that might not have been the smartest thing.
With a spy telling you he's about to log, some fast ship under the POS guns smartbombing it and the fleet and probe ship standing by this sounds like a cunning plan to get a titan kill
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Pika Chu
Caldari Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:05:00 -
[592]
Originally by: Omega Bloodstone
Originally by: Kreul Intentions From this post going forward if you forget the alt rules that apply to this forum, you'll receive an email reminding you of them. Should you continue to troll using BoD/BoC/CCP/GM/DevHacks you will also be reminded that those types of posts will not be tolerated.
Thank you.
Kreul - ... rabble rabble ..
Ok, so you have an issue with the way stuff happened, why do you have to call people names in your post, or cry haxsploit at everything that happens from here on out?
You have an issue with something that has happened, great grand and wonderfull, but trolling is trolling regardless.
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Saladin
Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:06:00 -
[593]
I just don't get why the CCP employee did not just log in and discreetly bm the wreck. Why does he have to be visible and write in local. In the current atmosphere CCP employees need to strive to take the attention away from themselves. ----
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Slab Drinklots
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:07:00 -
[594]
Originally by: PCX339
Titans leave lots of wrecks....
The other team just has to loot or shoot a wreck every 14 minutes to keep the titan aggro timer going indefinitely.
You basically have to get a titan back to safe space to log out... which can be hard if there is a big response from the other side and they know their cyno logistics.
I hope bob gets what's coming to them, but they DO know how to play the game.
If thats true then it should be classified as a bug. How the hell is the Titan pilot supposed to log off safely if the enemy can keep his aggro timer going? Does this apply to normal pilots as well?
Regards
/Doxs
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c0rn1
Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:07:00 -
[595]
It's funny that whenever bob kills a big e-peen people cry out load for cheater! exploit! hax! When a coalition jumps with 1000 into a system knowing they will crash the node, it's a valid tactic.
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Darken Two
Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:07:00 -
[596]
Originally by: Kurtz Weber
Originally by: Shirei
All CCP would need to do is say where the aggro came from.
If it's a tactic within game mechanics which was used, why would CCP interfere and give info to you bunch?
Because they are paying customers and if BoB can get free BPOs, the least they can ask for is an answer.
Your speech implies that you think everyone playing this game are somehow indebted to CCP. In fact, its the other way round. We are the customers and it is their job to keep us happy. Thats what they take money for. And considering they have already betrayed our trust with their shady behavior with regard to BoB, the burden of proof lies with them, when it comes to allegation regarding BoB and how they seem to be freakishly lucky with certain things.
Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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Svabbzor
The Kru
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:08:00 -
[597]
GJ bob :P
Allways funny to see grown up people cry about a internet space game ^^
/waiting for molle to post
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merketbeehatch
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:09:00 -
[598]
ERHMM
is it only me or is this thing about agro due to exploiting the wreck thing a bit retarded..
Think about it ppl there only 2 ways to get a wreck that belongs to u.
1.Die - if he where allready dead no reason to exploit to agro him again ;) 2. shoot npc - now ok this is posibel and he is german but come on Do u really think he would go like and doomsday a npc spawn??
i find all these exploit yelling ppl funny.
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:09:00 -
[599]
Originally by: Saladin I just don't get why the CCP employee did not just log in and discreetly bm the wreck. Why does he have to be visible and write in local. In the current atmosphere CCP employees need to strive to take the attention away from themselves.
If a dev were to login and bookmark the wreck, and then fly away and not say anything about what he was doing, it would be ammo for all those who are with D2. Like the GM running around and scanning all of GS's Towers or whatever right before BoB declared war.
If that GM would have said what he was doing, instead of doing it secretly maybe there wouldn't have been such a commotion over it.
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Sathrai
No Quarter. C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:09:00 -
[600]
Originally by: merketbeehatch 2. shoot npc - now ok this is posibel and he is german but come on Do u really think he would go like and doomsday a npc spawn??
i find all these exploit yelling ppl funny.
Gate rats?
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Morgain dVher
Minmatar The Rat Pack
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:10:00 -
[601]
Originally by: AMD383 Edited by: AMD383 on 16/02/2007 18:42:33 http://freenet-homepage.de/winchip2/2007.02.16.18.19.49.PNG
Shrike - Props to Digitalcommunist who made it happen Shrike - Thank you kiind sir Lady Vanquish - yeah . . . good job guys Largo DuAquin -nice bug using
???? we do not, and never have tolarated to even a slight degree, any cheating within EVE. We are much too fully aware of the possible consequences of allowing any cheating to go on among the GM's. |
Ewa Quillam
Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:10:00 -
[602]
If it's true that the titan sat in a pos for 3 hours and then it logged off while agressed it could mean a spy fired on him and fired on him right before he disconnected. This was stated before in the thread.
If "agression" logs are kept and it was the case as I wrote above, it won't take long to clarify the situation (if the logs are clear, it was an exploit). If those logs aren't kept and especially for such important ships, then, they should be concieved and implemented and nonetheless the ship should be given back when destroyed in doubtful circumstances.
The wreck exploit also stands, but logs should confirm it or not (if those logs exist for now).
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:11:00 -
[603]
Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: Kurtz Weber
Originally by: Shirei
All CCP would need to do is say where the aggro came from.
If it's a tactic within game mechanics which was used, why would CCP interfere and give info to you bunch?
Because they are paying customers and if BoB can get free BPOs, the least they can ask for is an answer.
Your speech implies that you think everyone playing this game are somehow indebted to CCP. In fact, its the other way round. We are the customers and it is their job to keep us happy. Thats what they take money for. And considering they have already betrayed our trust with their shady behavior with regard to BoB, the burden of proof lies with them, when it comes to allegation regarding BoB and how they seem to be freakishly lucky with certain things.
I dont think you really read what he wrote...
If the BoB kill is legit, and they used a 100% valid tactic, why would CCP tell everyone how BoB did it... Its thier tactic and just because you pay to play play eve doesn't mean you are paying for someone else to think of tactics for you... |
merketbeehatch
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:12:00 -
[604]
Originally by: Sathrai
Originally by: merketbeehatch 2. shoot npc - now ok this is posibel and he is german but come on Do u really think he would go like and doomsday a npc spawn??
i find all these exploit yelling ppl funny.
Gate rats?
U mean the gate rats that where at the planet where he fires hes DD??
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DinoC
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:12:00 -
[605]
Originally by: Relyen I think it's best to wait for an official post from BoB or D2 detailing the situation before jumping to conclusions based off posts made from people not in either of the alliances and acting off heresay.
Either way, Congratz BoB, awesome kill.
Awesome kill??? Now come on.. I fail to see whats so awesome in killing a defendless ship with the pilot logged off!
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Halloitsme
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:13:00 -
[606]
Originally by: Leilani Solaris ouch.... nice kill. Decent loot?
Who is that girl in your sig? shes HOT! No seriously, who?
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Darken Two
Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:17:00 -
[607]
Edited by: Darken Two on 16/02/2007 21:14:30
Originally by: Popsikle
Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: Kurtz Weber
Originally by: Shirei
All CCP would need to do is say where the aggro came from.
If it's a tactic within game mechanics which was used, why would CCP interfere and give info to you bunch?
Because they are paying customers and if BoB can get free BPOs, the least they can ask for is an answer.
Your speech implies that you think everyone playing this game are somehow indebted to CCP. In fact, its the other way round. We are the customers and it is their job to keep us happy. Thats what they take money for. And considering they have already betrayed our trust with their shady behavior with regard to BoB, the burden of proof lies with them, when it comes to allegation regarding BoB and how they seem to be freakishly lucky with certain things.
I dont think you really read what he wrote...
If the BoB kill is legit, and they used a 100% valid tactic, why would CCP tell everyone how BoB did it... Its thier tactic and just because you pay to play play eve doesn't mean you are paying for someone else to think of tactics for you...
Because, considering the hoopla surrounding the whole dev/cheating thing, they should have known better than to park a dev there and then have him congratulate the winning side.
The titan dying under suspicious circumstances didn't help either. This is not going to turn out well for CCP.
Ps: Shooting a parked ship with no pilot in it, has not and probably never never be classed as a "Special uber tactic"
Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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THEDON1
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:18:00 -
[608]
wtf i posted on teh frst page and it got deleted
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:19:00 -
[609]
Originally by: Darken Two
The titan dying under suspicious circumstances didn't help either. This is not going to turn out well for CCP.
By this I HOPE TO GOD you mean all the whiners and forum *****s and people that cant use a brain, all the people he keep saying stuff like "this wont turn out well for CCP" and "im quiting over this" actually finally quit. Even better I hope they never play a single MMO every again, because its obvious they cant handle it. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =- |
Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:19:00 -
[610]
Originally by: Ewa Quillam If it's true that the titan sat in a pos for 3 hours and then it logged off while agressed it could mean a spy fired on him and fired on him right before he disconnected. This was stated before in the thread.
I don't see how that would work. For the timer to stick you need to be hit before you log off, and if you're in a POS you can't be targeted or hit. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
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elohllird
Gallente Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:19:00 -
[611]
I have cheese if anyone wants it
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Kurtz Weber
Minmatar Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:19:00 -
[612]
Originally by: Darken Two
Because they are paying customers and if BoB can get free BPOs, the least they can ask for is an answer.
Your speech implies that you think everyone playing this game are somehow indebted to CCP. In fact, its the other way round. We are the customers and it is their job to keep us happy. Thats what they take money for. And considering they have already betrayed our trust with their shady behavior with regard to BoB, the burden of proof lies with them, when it comes to allegation regarding BoB and how they seem to be freakishly lucky with certain things.
Still, just because there was an incident in the past, for which CCP claims it has been dealt with and that things like that will not happen in the future, just because of that every BoB's plan and tactic sgould be put out to public view? Verifycation of wheter the kill is legit or not will be if they do or don't reimburse the titan, and thats everything everyone else in eve needs to know. Everyone who thinks that Dev's are helping BoB in stuff like this is out of his mind...
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Neako
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:22:00 -
[613]
Edited by: Neako on 16/02/2007 21:18:23 and there go all the "omg bob h4x" theories down the drain...
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=477394
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HellSpeed
angels of darkness LTD Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:22:00 -
[614]
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8837/d2erebusdl4.jpg
Looks better as a wreck though ;)
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Neako
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:22:00 -
[615]
Edited by: Neako on 16/02/2007 21:18:23 and there go all the "omg bob h4x" theories down the drain...
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=477394
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HellSpeed
angels of darkness LTD Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:22:00 -
[616]
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8837/d2erebusdl4.jpg
Looks better as a wreck though ;)
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Neako
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:22:00 -
[617]
Edited by: Neako on 16/02/2007 21:18:23 and there go all the "omg bob h4x" theories down the drain...
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=477394
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HellSpeed
angels of darkness LTD Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:22:00 -
[618]
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8837/d2erebusdl4.jpg
Looks better as a wreck though ;)
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Neako
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:22:00 -
[619]
Edited by: Neako on 16/02/2007 21:18:23 and there go all the "omg bob h4x" theories down the drain...
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=477394
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HellSpeed
angels of darkness LTD Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:22:00 -
[620]
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8837/d2erebusdl4.jpg
Looks better as a wreck though ;)
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Neako
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:22:00 -
[621]
Edited by: Neako on 16/02/2007 21:18:23 and there go all the "omg bob h4x" theories down the drain...
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=477394
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HellSpeed
angels of darkness LTD Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:22:00 -
[622]
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8837/d2erebusdl4.jpg
Looks better as a wreck though ;)
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:23:00 -
[623]
So far as I know the doomsday was fired only at a planet, or a moon. Niether of which would have resulted in a NPC can being generated to be exploited.
As well as far as I can tell, he didn't get one single kill with the doomsday (since the 13th), unless it wasn't posted at all, meaning there was no can to exploit.
Am I wrong in thinking that no can/wreck was generated by the pilot in question on today at all, since I can't find any evidence to say that there was even a can in space to have exploited. And I believe the only attempt at firing the doomsday was unsuccessfull.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:23:00 -
[624]
So far as I know the doomsday was fired only at a planet, or a moon. Niether of which would have resulted in a NPC can being generated to be exploited.
As well as far as I can tell, he didn't get one single kill with the doomsday (since the 13th), unless it wasn't posted at all, meaning there was no can to exploit.
Am I wrong in thinking that no can/wreck was generated by the pilot in question on today at all, since I can't find any evidence to say that there was even a can in space to have exploited. And I believe the only attempt at firing the doomsday was unsuccessfull.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:23:00 -
[625]
So far as I know the doomsday was fired only at a planet, or a moon. Niether of which would have resulted in a NPC can being generated to be exploited.
As well as far as I can tell, he didn't get one single kill with the doomsday (since the 13th), unless it wasn't posted at all, meaning there was no can to exploit.
Am I wrong in thinking that no can/wreck was generated by the pilot in question on today at all, since I can't find any evidence to say that there was even a can in space to have exploited. And I believe the only attempt at firing the doomsday was unsuccessfull.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:23:00 -
[626]
So far as I know the doomsday was fired only at a planet, or a moon. Niether of which would have resulted in a NPC can being generated to be exploited.
As well as far as I can tell, he didn't get one single kill with the doomsday (since the 13th), unless it wasn't posted at all, meaning there was no can to exploit.
Am I wrong in thinking that no can/wreck was generated by the pilot in question on today at all, since I can't find any evidence to say that there was even a can in space to have exploited. And I believe the only attempt at firing the doomsday was unsuccessfull.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:23:00 -
[627]
So far as I know the doomsday was fired only at a planet, or a moon. Niether of which would have resulted in a NPC can being generated to be exploited.
As well as far as I can tell, he didn't get one single kill with the doomsday (since the 13th), unless it wasn't posted at all, meaning there was no can to exploit.
Am I wrong in thinking that no can/wreck was generated by the pilot in question on today at all, since I can't find any evidence to say that there was even a can in space to have exploited. And I believe the only attempt at firing the doomsday was unsuccessfull.
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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:27:00 -
[628]
Originally by: Ewa Quillam
Originally by: Avernus
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 16/02/2007 19:25:02
Originally by: Avernus
Look closer, he says 'congrats to all involved'. That includes D2, the titan pilot, and everyone in system. Titan deaths are landmark events; winner or loser, you've just been marked down in Eve history for being there.
There was no D2 involved. The Titan logged off from POS after 3 hours. He was then probed and Shrike jumpbridged a fleet on it.
Wait a sec... you mean to tell me that the Titan logged off from a POS where D2 had no forces, and it had hostiles in local? . .. ... So you didn't jump out the Titan to a clear system, warp him to a deep safe and log off without agression. Why is anyone surprised that this titan got lost? Truth be told, you almost lost it last week but never heard about it. Your titan logged in a system that had Fixians in it while they were up in Fountain. Were it not for a lack of coverts at the time, we'd have it probed out ourselves.
Honestly, the way you treated your titan and protected it, the loss is of little surprise. Condolences for the loss, but maybe turn the eye inward to see why it could have happened.
So, you are justifying the exploit?????? lol
Don't be silly. I stated that not taking every possible precaution to protect a Titan is idiotic; I still don't know the full story on what happened, nor does anyone else here unless I missed the battle report coming from D2 and BoB.
Blog |
Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:27:00 -
[629]
Originally by: Ewa Quillam
Originally by: Avernus
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 16/02/2007 19:25:02
Originally by: Avernus
Look closer, he says 'congrats to all involved'. That includes D2, the titan pilot, and everyone in system. Titan deaths are landmark events; winner or loser, you've just been marked down in Eve history for being there.
There was no D2 involved. The Titan logged off from POS after 3 hours. He was then probed and Shrike jumpbridged a fleet on it.
Wait a sec... you mean to tell me that the Titan logged off from a POS where D2 had no forces, and it had hostiles in local? . .. ... So you didn't jump out the Titan to a clear system, warp him to a deep safe and log off without agression. Why is anyone surprised that this titan got lost? Truth be told, you almost lost it last week but never heard about it. Your titan logged in a system that had Fixians in it while they were up in Fountain. Were it not for a lack of coverts at the time, we'd have it probed out ourselves.
Honestly, the way you treated your titan and protected it, the loss is of little surprise. Condolences for the loss, but maybe turn the eye inward to see why it could have happened.
So, you are justifying the exploit?????? lol
Don't be silly. I stated that not taking every possible precaution to protect a Titan is idiotic; I still don't know the full story on what happened, nor does anyone else here unless I missed the battle report coming from D2 and BoB.
Blog |
Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:27:00 -
[630]
Originally by: Ewa Quillam
Originally by: Avernus
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 16/02/2007 19:25:02
Originally by: Avernus
Look closer, he says 'congrats to all involved'. That includes D2, the titan pilot, and everyone in system. Titan deaths are landmark events; winner or loser, you've just been marked down in Eve history for being there.
There was no D2 involved. The Titan logged off from POS after 3 hours. He was then probed and Shrike jumpbridged a fleet on it.
Wait a sec... you mean to tell me that the Titan logged off from a POS where D2 had no forces, and it had hostiles in local? . .. ... So you didn't jump out the Titan to a clear system, warp him to a deep safe and log off without agression. Why is anyone surprised that this titan got lost? Truth be told, you almost lost it last week but never heard about it. Your titan logged in a system that had Fixians in it while they were up in Fountain. Were it not for a lack of coverts at the time, we'd have it probed out ourselves.
Honestly, the way you treated your titan and protected it, the loss is of little surprise. Condolences for the loss, but maybe turn the eye inward to see why it could have happened.
So, you are justifying the exploit?????? lol
Don't be silly. I stated that not taking every possible precaution to protect a Titan is idiotic; I still don't know the full story on what happened, nor does anyone else here unless I missed the battle report coming from D2 and BoB.
Blog |
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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:27:00 -
[631]
Originally by: Ewa Quillam
Originally by: Avernus
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 16/02/2007 19:25:02
Originally by: Avernus
Look closer, he says 'congrats to all involved'. That includes D2, the titan pilot, and everyone in system. Titan deaths are landmark events; winner or loser, you've just been marked down in Eve history for being there.
There was no D2 involved. The Titan logged off from POS after 3 hours. He was then probed and Shrike jumpbridged a fleet on it.
Wait a sec... you mean to tell me that the Titan logged off from a POS where D2 had no forces, and it had hostiles in local? . .. ... So you didn't jump out the Titan to a clear system, warp him to a deep safe and log off without agression. Why is anyone surprised that this titan got lost? Truth be told, you almost lost it last week but never heard about it. Your titan logged in a system that had Fixians in it while they were up in Fountain. Were it not for a lack of coverts at the time, we'd have it probed out ourselves.
Honestly, the way you treated your titan and protected it, the loss is of little surprise. Condolences for the loss, but maybe turn the eye inward to see why it could have happened.
So, you are justifying the exploit?????? lol
Don't be silly. I stated that not taking every possible precaution to protect a Titan is idiotic; I still don't know the full story on what happened, nor does anyone else here unless I missed the battle report coming from D2 and BoB.
Blog |
Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:27:00 -
[632]
Originally by: Ewa Quillam
Originally by: Avernus
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 16/02/2007 19:25:02
Originally by: Avernus
Look closer, he says 'congrats to all involved'. That includes D2, the titan pilot, and everyone in system. Titan deaths are landmark events; winner or loser, you've just been marked down in Eve history for being there.
There was no D2 involved. The Titan logged off from POS after 3 hours. He was then probed and Shrike jumpbridged a fleet on it.
Wait a sec... you mean to tell me that the Titan logged off from a POS where D2 had no forces, and it had hostiles in local? . .. ... So you didn't jump out the Titan to a clear system, warp him to a deep safe and log off without agression. Why is anyone surprised that this titan got lost? Truth be told, you almost lost it last week but never heard about it. Your titan logged in a system that had Fixians in it while they were up in Fountain. Were it not for a lack of coverts at the time, we'd have it probed out ourselves.
Honestly, the way you treated your titan and protected it, the loss is of little surprise. Condolences for the loss, but maybe turn the eye inward to see why it could have happened.
So, you are justifying the exploit?????? lol
Don't be silly. I stated that not taking every possible precaution to protect a Titan is idiotic; I still don't know the full story on what happened, nor does anyone else here unless I missed the battle report coming from D2 and BoB.
Blog |
JP Moregain
Gallente EVE Reserve Bank
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:33:00 -
[633]
After 19 pages on haxpliot accusations I think it is clear that this community has moved well beyond the realm of what the 'Tinfoil' concept can handle.
I believed we have now graduated to the realm of theGRASSY KNOLL!
Best Regards,
JP
http://www.evereserve.com |
JP Moregain
Gallente EVE Reserve Bank
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:33:00 -
[634]
After 19 pages on haxpliot accusations I think it is clear that this community has moved well beyond the realm of what the 'Tinfoil' concept can handle.
I believed we have now graduated to the realm of theGRASSY KNOLL!
Best Regards,
JP
http://www.evereserve.com |
JP Moregain
Gallente EVE Reserve Bank
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:33:00 -
[635]
After 19 pages on haxpliot accusations I think it is clear that this community has moved well beyond the realm of what the 'Tinfoil' concept can handle.
I believed we have now graduated to the realm of theGRASSY KNOLL!
Best Regards,
JP
http://www.evereserve.com |
JP Moregain
Gallente EVE Reserve Bank
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:33:00 -
[636]
After 19 pages on haxpliot accusations I think it is clear that this community has moved well beyond the realm of what the 'Tinfoil' concept can handle.
I believed we have now graduated to the realm of theGRASSY KNOLL!
Best Regards,
JP
http://www.evereserve.com |
Icomeinpeace
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:34:00 -
[637]
Tinfoil hats are out in full force for this thread lol
The titan was aggroed fair and square from what I understand so cry me a river.Unreal how much drivel is in this thread and I only read a couple pages. |
Icomeinpeace
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:34:00 -
[638]
Tinfoil hats are out in full force for this thread lol
The titan was aggroed fair and square from what I understand so cry me a river.Unreal how much drivel is in this thread and I only read a couple pages. |
Icomeinpeace
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:34:00 -
[639]
Tinfoil hats are out in full force for this thread lol
The titan was aggroed fair and square from what I understand so cry me a river.Unreal how much drivel is in this thread and I only read a couple pages. |
Icomeinpeace
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:34:00 -
[640]
Tinfoil hats are out in full force for this thread lol
The titan was aggroed fair and square from what I understand so cry me a river.Unreal how much drivel is in this thread and I only read a couple pages. |
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Majin82
Caldari g guild
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:41:00 -
[641]
1 ship doesnt make the difference between victory and defeat. Even if it is a Titan.
Good Kill Bob
Now go get them back for this D2 and co. ------------------------------------- The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns!
Passive Drake For The Win |
Majin82
Caldari g guild
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:41:00 -
[642]
1 ship doesnt make the difference between victory and defeat. Even if it is a Titan.
Good Kill Bob
Now go get them back for this D2 and co. ------------------------------------- The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns!
Passive Drake For The Win |
Majin82
Caldari g guild
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:41:00 -
[643]
1 ship doesnt make the difference between victory and defeat. Even if it is a Titan.
Good Kill Bob
Now go get them back for this D2 and co. ------------------------------------- The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns!
Passive Drake For The Win |
ElweSingollo
The Vanyar Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:42:00 -
[644]
Edited by: ElweSingollo on 16/02/2007 21:39:33
Originally by: Kaaii
Originally by: Victor Vision Edited by: Victor Vision on 16/02/2007 18:12:49 So the score is 1:1 if this is true.
LV fetus titan dead.
D2 titan dead.
Wars cause casualties. This is known.
Isn't it interesting that the only way Spamgoons can kill a titan is if its unpiloted in a state of production, yep bob has no trouble with "Dead in space unpiloted" ones?
I think so....
fixed going on the comments so far.
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Man1ac
Xenobytes Stain Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:42:00 -
[645]
Originally by: Icomeinpeace Tinfoil hats are out in full force for this thread lol ...
Tinfoil hats... Yeah...
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ElweSingollo
The Vanyar Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:42:00 -
[646]
Edited by: ElweSingollo on 16/02/2007 21:39:33
Originally by: Kaaii
Originally by: Victor Vision Edited by: Victor Vision on 16/02/2007 18:12:49 So the score is 1:1 if this is true.
LV fetus titan dead.
D2 titan dead.
Wars cause casualties. This is known.
Isn't it interesting that the only way Spamgoons can kill a titan is if its unpiloted in a state of production, yep bob has no trouble with "Dead in space unpiloted" ones?
I think so....
fixed going on the comments so far.
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Man1ac
Xenobytes Stain Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:42:00 -
[647]
Originally by: Icomeinpeace Tinfoil hats are out in full force for this thread lol ...
Tinfoil hats... Yeah...
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ElweSingollo
The Vanyar Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:42:00 -
[648]
Edited by: ElweSingollo on 16/02/2007 21:39:33
Originally by: Kaaii
Originally by: Victor Vision Edited by: Victor Vision on 16/02/2007 18:12:49 So the score is 1:1 if this is true.
LV fetus titan dead.
D2 titan dead.
Wars cause casualties. This is known.
Isn't it interesting that the only way Spamgoons can kill a titan is if its unpiloted in a state of production, yep bob has no trouble with "Dead in space unpiloted" ones?
I think so....
fixed going on the comments so far.
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Man1ac
Xenobytes Stain Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:42:00 -
[649]
Originally by: Icomeinpeace Tinfoil hats are out in full force for this thread lol ...
Tinfoil hats... Yeah...
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VinceNoir
Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:43:00 -
[650]
Hip Hip Huzzah
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VinceNoir
Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:43:00 -
[651]
Hip Hip Huzzah
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VinceNoir
Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:43:00 -
[652]
Hip Hip Huzzah
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bulabuba
Gallente Klima Galactic
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:46:00 -
[653]
All I know at this point is what's been presented here. IF it's true that he sat in a POS for 3 hours before logging there isn't any way, by the correct mechanics of the game, that he should have had aggro. Unless I am mistaken, you cannot even target, and you cannot be targeted, while inside a POS bubble.
IF he logged off from a POS after sitting there for three hours and he was somehow aggroed, it is an exploit. It, at the very least, takes advantage of a coding error in the game.
I'll be honest and say that I don't know what the rule is about exploiting, versus reporting, bugs in the game. In other MMOs that I have played exploiting a discovered bug instead of reporting it is a bannable offense. If it isn't in Eve, it should be, IMO. -----------------------------------------------
Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No.
-DB Preacher[BoB] |
bulabuba
Gallente Klima Galactic
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:46:00 -
[654]
All I know at this point is what's been presented here. IF it's true that he sat in a POS for 3 hours before logging there isn't any way, by the correct mechanics of the game, that he should have had aggro. Unless I am mistaken, you cannot even target, and you cannot be targeted, while inside a POS bubble.
IF he logged off from a POS after sitting there for three hours and he was somehow aggroed, it is an exploit. It, at the very least, takes advantage of a coding error in the game.
I'll be honest and say that I don't know what the rule is about exploiting, versus reporting, bugs in the game. In other MMOs that I have played exploiting a discovered bug instead of reporting it is a bannable offense. If it isn't in Eve, it should be, IMO. -----------------------------------------------
Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No.
-DB Preacher[BoB] |
bulabuba
Gallente Klima Galactic
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:46:00 -
[655]
All I know at this point is what's been presented here. IF it's true that he sat in a POS for 3 hours before logging there isn't any way, by the correct mechanics of the game, that he should have had aggro. Unless I am mistaken, you cannot even target, and you cannot be targeted, while inside a POS bubble.
IF he logged off from a POS after sitting there for three hours and he was somehow aggroed, it is an exploit. It, at the very least, takes advantage of a coding error in the game.
I'll be honest and say that I don't know what the rule is about exploiting, versus reporting, bugs in the game. In other MMOs that I have played exploiting a discovered bug instead of reporting it is a bannable offense. If it isn't in Eve, it should be, IMO. -----------------------------------------------
Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No.
-DB Preacher[BoB] |
Aries Acheron
The Valour United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:47:00 -
[656]
Well. This seems to be the case.
This screenshot I got from another thread shows how it was done.
http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg
Apparently, a member of the Titan's own gang in a covert ops waited for the Titan to go outside of the shield, then smartbombed it with a micro, giving it aggro as it logged. The Titan zoomed off, and BoB probed.
There's no passive targetter there, and given that the titan was POSed up, wreck aggro doesn't look like it's involved. A painful blow and one reason why I hate spies in any sense, but it seems 'legit' as far as claims of hacking or bugs go. If it's legit morally.. well. It's effectively the same thing as what happened to Cyvok's it seems... ~~~
Action! Suspense! Jita! Eve Tribune
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Aries Acheron
The Valour United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:47:00 -
[657]
Well. This seems to be the case.
This screenshot I got from another thread shows how it was done.
http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg
Apparently, a member of the Titan's own gang in a covert ops waited for the Titan to go outside of the shield, then smartbombed it with a micro, giving it aggro as it logged. The Titan zoomed off, and BoB probed.
There's no passive targetter there, and given that the titan was POSed up, wreck aggro doesn't look like it's involved. A painful blow and one reason why I hate spies in any sense, but it seems 'legit' as far as claims of hacking or bugs go. If it's legit morally.. well. It's effectively the same thing as what happened to Cyvok's it seems... ~~~
Action! Suspense! Jita! Eve Tribune
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Aries Acheron
The Valour United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:47:00 -
[658]
Well. This seems to be the case.
This screenshot I got from another thread shows how it was done.
http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg
Apparently, a member of the Titan's own gang in a covert ops waited for the Titan to go outside of the shield, then smartbombed it with a micro, giving it aggro as it logged. The Titan zoomed off, and BoB probed.
There's no passive targetter there, and given that the titan was POSed up, wreck aggro doesn't look like it's involved. A painful blow and one reason why I hate spies in any sense, but it seems 'legit' as far as claims of hacking or bugs go. If it's legit morally.. well. It's effectively the same thing as what happened to Cyvok's it seems... ~~~
Action! Suspense! Jita! Eve Tribune
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Ewa Quillam
Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:48:00 -
[659]
Originally by: Tainos
Originally by: Ewa Quillam If it's true that the titan sat in a pos for 3 hours and then it logged off while agressed it could mean a spy fired on him and fired on him right before he disconnected. This was stated before in the thread.
It was also stated before in the thread that you can't shoot people inside a POS. Duh.
Although I didn't test either of them, there are 2 possibilities: - smartbombs - target and fire at the ship from without the pos by using a passive targeter.
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Ewa Quillam
Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:48:00 -
[660]
Originally by: Tainos
Originally by: Ewa Quillam If it's true that the titan sat in a pos for 3 hours and then it logged off while agressed it could mean a spy fired on him and fired on him right before he disconnected. This was stated before in the thread.
It was also stated before in the thread that you can't shoot people inside a POS. Duh.
Although I didn't test either of them, there are 2 possibilities: - smartbombs - target and fire at the ship from without the pos by using a passive targeter.
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Ewa Quillam
Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:48:00 -
[661]
Originally by: Tainos
Originally by: Ewa Quillam If it's true that the titan sat in a pos for 3 hours and then it logged off while agressed it could mean a spy fired on him and fired on him right before he disconnected. This was stated before in the thread.
It was also stated before in the thread that you can't shoot people inside a POS. Duh.
Although I didn't test either of them, there are 2 possibilities: - smartbombs - target and fire at the ship from without the pos by using a passive targeter.
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Ozzie Asrail
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:50:00 -
[662]
Originally by: Ewa Quillam
Originally by: Tainos
Originally by: Ewa Quillam If it's true that the titan sat in a pos for 3 hours and then it logged off while agressed it could mean a spy fired on him and fired on him right before he disconnected. This was stated before in the thread.
It was also stated before in the thread that you can't shoot people inside a POS. Duh.
Although I didn't test either of them, there are 2 possibilities: - smartbombs - target and fire at the ship from without the pos by using a passive targeter.
Looks at SS. http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg
Yea inside the pos shield... -----
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Faridah
X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:50:00 -
[663]
I just want to add you can't kill anything within a POS shield with a smartbomb. Even if you're inside yourself.
At least that was true 2 months ago as a hostile pod had made it inside our shields and I try to whack him. That time the pod had made it inside the shields because of an bug.
BTW: How can you get your entire emplyment history erased like Shrike has ? Is that soem default if you buy a char ?
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Ozzie Asrail
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:50:00 -
[664]
Originally by: Ewa Quillam
Originally by: Tainos
Originally by: Ewa Quillam If it's true that the titan sat in a pos for 3 hours and then it logged off while agressed it could mean a spy fired on him and fired on him right before he disconnected. This was stated before in the thread.
It was also stated before in the thread that you can't shoot people inside a POS. Duh.
Although I didn't test either of them, there are 2 possibilities: - smartbombs - target and fire at the ship from without the pos by using a passive targeter.
Looks at SS. http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg
Yea inside the pos shield... -----
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Faridah
X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:50:00 -
[665]
Edited by: Faridah on 16/02/2007 21:51:08 I just want to add you can't kill anything within a POS shield with a smartbomb. Even if you're inside yourself. Edit: The tower got some dmg tho
At least that was true 2 months ago as a hostile pod had made it inside our shields and I try to whack him. That time the pod had made it inside the shields because of an bug.
BTW: How can you get your entire emplyment history erased like Shrike has ? Is that soem default if you buy a char ?
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Ozzie Asrail
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:50:00 -
[666]
Originally by: Ewa Quillam
Originally by: Tainos
Originally by: Ewa Quillam If it's true that the titan sat in a pos for 3 hours and then it logged off while agressed it could mean a spy fired on him and fired on him right before he disconnected. This was stated before in the thread.
It was also stated before in the thread that you can't shoot people inside a POS. Duh.
Although I didn't test either of them, there are 2 possibilities: - smartbombs - target and fire at the ship from without the pos by using a passive targeter.
Looks at SS. http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg
Yea inside the pos shield... -----
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Faridah
X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:50:00 -
[667]
Edited by: Faridah on 16/02/2007 21:51:08 I just want to add you can't kill anything within a POS shield with a smartbomb. Even if you're inside yourself. Edit: The tower got some dmg tho
At least that was true 2 months ago as a hostile pod had made it inside our shields and I try to whack him. That time the pod had made it inside the shields because of an bug.
BTW: How can you get your entire emplyment history erased like Shrike has ? Is that soem default if you buy a char ?
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Aries Acheron
The Valour United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:51:00 -
[668]
Originally by: Ozzie Asrail
Originally by: Ewa Quillam
Originally by: Tainos
Originally by: Ewa Quillam If it's true that the titan sat in a pos for 3 hours and then it logged off while agressed it could mean a spy fired on him and fired on him right before he disconnected. This was stated before in the thread.
It was also stated before in the thread that you can't shoot people inside a POS. Duh.
Although I didn't test either of them, there are 2 possibilities: - smartbombs - target and fire at the ship from without the pos by using a passive targeter.
Looks at SS. http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg
Yea inside the pos shield...
Actually, you can clearly see the Titan outside of the shield. ~~~
Action! Suspense! Jita! Eve Tribune
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Aries Acheron
The Valour United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:51:00 -
[669]
Originally by: Ozzie Asrail
Originally by: Ewa Quillam
Originally by: Tainos
Originally by: Ewa Quillam If it's true that the titan sat in a pos for 3 hours and then it logged off while agressed it could mean a spy fired on him and fired on him right before he disconnected. This was stated before in the thread.
It was also stated before in the thread that you can't shoot people inside a POS. Duh.
Although I didn't test either of them, there are 2 possibilities: - smartbombs - target and fire at the ship from without the pos by using a passive targeter.
Looks at SS. http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg
Yea inside the pos shield...
Actually, you can clearly see the Titan outside of the shield. ~~~
Action! Suspense! Jita! Eve Tribune
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Kiwimagic
Caldari Star Ocean Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:52:00 -
[670]
Quote: It's funny that whenever bob kills a big e-peen people cry out load for cheater! exploit! hax! When a coalition jumps with 1000 into a system knowing they will crash the node, it's a valid tactic.
Didn't LV bubble the gate and release drones to increase lag? Yes I think so, if not to crash the node then to increase lag, plain and simple they went for the omg we're lame tactic and come off second best.
Secondly its FACT that BoB is propped up by dev's everyone knew it and it was confirmed a week ago. so aslo plain and simple they are a cheater alliance they haven't done it all themselves, saying that its a sad reality for the BoB guys who did work for it, they are tared with the cheater brush and that is a real shame. Its not the exctent of the dev's helping its the FACT that they did. Sorry but IMO noone loses to BoB they have had an unfair advantage.
Its also a shame that everytime something like this happens its found to be an exploit ppl seem to be to scared to front up and slog it out. some people call it tactics but shooting a offline ship is not anything to be happy about its kinda lame.
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Kiwimagic
Caldari Star Ocean Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:52:00 -
[671]
Quote: It's funny that whenever bob kills a big e-peen people cry out load for cheater! exploit! hax! When a coalition jumps with 1000 into a system knowing they will crash the node, it's a valid tactic.
Didn't LV bubble the gate and release drones to increase lag? Yes I think so, if not to crash the node then to increase lag, plain and simple they went for the omg we're lame tactic and come off second best.
Secondly its FACT that BoB is propped up by dev's everyone knew it and it was confirmed a week ago. so aslo plain and simple they are a cheater alliance they haven't done it all themselves, saying that its a sad reality for the BoB guys who did work for it, they are tared with the cheater brush and that is a real shame. Its not the exctent of the dev's helping its the FACT that they did. Sorry but IMO noone loses to BoB they have had an unfair advantage.
Its also a shame that everytime something like this happens its found to be an exploit ppl seem to be to scared to front up and slog it out. some people call it tactics but shooting a offline ship is not anything to be happy about its kinda lame.
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bulabuba
Gallente Klima Galactic
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:54:00 -
[672]
Originally by: Aries Acheron Well. This seems to be the case.
This screenshot I got from another thread shows how it was done.
http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg
Apparently, a member of the Titan's own gang in a covert ops waited for the Titan to go outside of the shield, then smartbombed it with a micro, giving it aggro as it logged. The Titan zoomed off, and BoB probed.
There's no passive targetter there, and given that the titan was POSed up, wreck aggro doesn't look like it's involved. A painful blow and one reason why I hate spies in any sense, but it seems 'legit' as far as claims of hacking or bugs go. If it's legit morally.. well. It's effectively the same thing as what happened to Cyvok's it seems...
That's an exploit. In other words, the game is not intended to work that way, and taking advantage of the fact that it does, rather than reporting the error, is exploiting.
When you close the window, you're done. You should not be aggro-able at that instant if you aren't already. You are out of the game. The fact that your ship warps off is only there as a measure to take you out of harm's way in case of a crash. The aggro timer is only there to ensure that you can't save yourself by closing the window ONCE YOU ALREADY HAVE AGGRO. If that's how it was done, the man deserves his ship back, and CCP needs to fix the bug after admonishing some folks that exploiting bugs rather than reporting them is a no-no. -----------------------------------------------
Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No.
-DB Preacher[BoB] |
Bodark
Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:54:00 -
[673]
Originally by: Mimio Gratz, CCP dev team. You are continue winning the game.
You Sir and your Goon friends (you teach them how to exploit) are the biggest exploiters that I've EVER seen in any of the games I ever played. So go hide and stop posting lies...
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bulabuba
Gallente Klima Galactic
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:54:00 -
[674]
Originally by: Aries Acheron Well. This seems to be the case.
This screenshot I got from another thread shows how it was done.
http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg
Apparently, a member of the Titan's own gang in a covert ops waited for the Titan to go outside of the shield, then smartbombed it with a micro, giving it aggro as it logged. The Titan zoomed off, and BoB probed.
There's no passive targetter there, and given that the titan was POSed up, wreck aggro doesn't look like it's involved. A painful blow and one reason why I hate spies in any sense, but it seems 'legit' as far as claims of hacking or bugs go. If it's legit morally.. well. It's effectively the same thing as what happened to Cyvok's it seems...
That's an exploit. In other words, the game is not intended to work that way, and taking advantage of the fact that it does, rather than reporting the error, is exploiting.
When you close the window, you're done. You should not be aggro-able at that instant if you aren't already. You are out of the game. The fact that your ship warps off is only there as a measure to take you out of harm's way in case of a crash. The aggro timer is only there to ensure that you can't save yourself by closing the window ONCE YOU ALREADY HAVE AGGRO. If that's how it was done, the man deserves his ship back, and CCP needs to fix the bug after admonishing some folks that exploiting bugs rather than reporting them is a no-no. -----------------------------------------------
Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No.
-DB Preacher[BoB] |
Bodark
Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:54:00 -
[675]
Originally by: Mimio Gratz, CCP dev team. You are continue winning the game.
You Sir and your Goon friends (you teach them how to exploit) are the biggest exploiters that I've EVER seen in any of the games I ever played. So go hide and stop posting lies...
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Alikaraa
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:56:00 -
[676]
Originally by: bulabuba
Originally by: Aries Acheron Well. This seems to be the case.
This screenshot I got from another thread shows how it was done.
http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg
Apparently, a member of the Titan's own gang in a covert ops waited for the Titan to go outside of the shield, then smartbombed it with a micro, giving it aggro as it logged. The Titan zoomed off, and BoB probed.
There's no passive targetter there, and given that the titan was POSed up, wreck aggro doesn't look like it's involved. A painful blow and one reason why I hate spies in any sense, but it seems 'legit' as far as claims of hacking or bugs go. If it's legit morally.. well. It's effectively the same thing as what happened to Cyvok's it seems...
That's an exploit. In other words, the game is not intended to work that way, and taking advantage of the fact that it does, rather than reporting the error, is exploiting.
When you close the window, you're done. You should not be aggro-able at that instant if you aren't already. You are out of the game. The fact that your ship warps off is only there as a measure to take you out of harm's way in case of a crash. The aggro timer is only there to ensure that you can't save yourself by closing the window ONCE YOU ALREADY HAVE AGGRO. If that's how it was done, the man deserves his ship back, and CCP needs to fix the bug after admonishing some folks that exploiting bugs rather than reporting them is a no-no.
Hi, check the screenshot - the pilot is logged *in*, because he still shows in local. When you close the window, you are removed from local chat.
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Aries Acheron
The Valour United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:56:00 -
[677]
Originally by: bulabuba
Originally by: Aries Acheron Well. This seems to be the case.
This screenshot I got from another thread shows how it was done.
http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg
Apparently, a member of the Titan's own gang in a covert ops waited for the Titan to go outside of the shield, then smartbombed it with a micro, giving it aggro as it logged. The Titan zoomed off, and BoB probed.
There's no passive targetter there, and given that the titan was POSed up, wreck aggro doesn't look like it's involved. A painful blow and one reason why I hate spies in any sense, but it seems 'legit' as far as claims of hacking or bugs go. If it's legit morally.. well. It's effectively the same thing as what happened to Cyvok's it seems...
That's an exploit. In other words, the game is not intended to work that way, and taking advantage of the fact that it does, rather than reporting the error, is exploiting.
When you close the window, you're done. You should not be aggro-able at that instant if you aren't already. You are out of the game. The fact that your ship warps off is only there as a measure to take you out of harm's way in case of a crash. The aggro timer is only there to ensure that you can't save yourself by closing the window ONCE YOU ALREADY HAVE AGGRO. If that's how it was done, the man deserves his ship back, and CCP needs to fix the bug after admonishing some folks that exploiting bugs rather than reporting them is a no-no.
He couldn't have closed the window yet as of that shot, since you can see the titan is still 'purple'. Every time I've lagged out or disconnected in a friendly gang, I am instantly kicked out of the gang and thus 'blue' to them. This means he was hit by a bomb before he closed the window. ~~~
Action! Suspense! Jita! Eve Tribune
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Alikaraa
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:56:00 -
[678]
Originally by: bulabuba
Originally by: Aries Acheron Well. This seems to be the case.
This screenshot I got from another thread shows how it was done.
http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg
Apparently, a member of the Titan's own gang in a covert ops waited for the Titan to go outside of the shield, then smartbombed it with a micro, giving it aggro as it logged. The Titan zoomed off, and BoB probed.
There's no passive targetter there, and given that the titan was POSed up, wreck aggro doesn't look like it's involved. A painful blow and one reason why I hate spies in any sense, but it seems 'legit' as far as claims of hacking or bugs go. If it's legit morally.. well. It's effectively the same thing as what happened to Cyvok's it seems...
That's an exploit. In other words, the game is not intended to work that way, and taking advantage of the fact that it does, rather than reporting the error, is exploiting.
When you close the window, you're done. You should not be aggro-able at that instant if you aren't already. You are out of the game. The fact that your ship warps off is only there as a measure to take you out of harm's way in case of a crash. The aggro timer is only there to ensure that you can't save yourself by closing the window ONCE YOU ALREADY HAVE AGGRO. If that's how it was done, the man deserves his ship back, and CCP needs to fix the bug after admonishing some folks that exploiting bugs rather than reporting them is a no-no.
Hi, check the screenshot - the pilot is logged *in*, because he still shows in local. When you close the window, you are removed from local chat.
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Aries Acheron
The Valour United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:56:00 -
[679]
Originally by: bulabuba
Originally by: Aries Acheron Well. This seems to be the case.
This screenshot I got from another thread shows how it was done.
http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg
Apparently, a member of the Titan's own gang in a covert ops waited for the Titan to go outside of the shield, then smartbombed it with a micro, giving it aggro as it logged. The Titan zoomed off, and BoB probed.
There's no passive targetter there, and given that the titan was POSed up, wreck aggro doesn't look like it's involved. A painful blow and one reason why I hate spies in any sense, but it seems 'legit' as far as claims of hacking or bugs go. If it's legit morally.. well. It's effectively the same thing as what happened to Cyvok's it seems...
That's an exploit. In other words, the game is not intended to work that way, and taking advantage of the fact that it does, rather than reporting the error, is exploiting.
When you close the window, you're done. You should not be aggro-able at that instant if you aren't already. You are out of the game. The fact that your ship warps off is only there as a measure to take you out of harm's way in case of a crash. The aggro timer is only there to ensure that you can't save yourself by closing the window ONCE YOU ALREADY HAVE AGGRO. If that's how it was done, the man deserves his ship back, and CCP needs to fix the bug after admonishing some folks that exploiting bugs rather than reporting them is a no-no.
He couldn't have closed the window yet as of that shot, since you can see the titan is still 'purple'. Every time I've lagged out or disconnected in a friendly gang, I am instantly kicked out of the gang and thus 'blue' to them. This means he was hit by a bomb before he closed the window. ~~~
Action! Suspense! Jita! Eve Tribune
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bulabuba
Gallente Klima Galactic
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:59:00 -
[680]
Originally by: Alikaraa
Hi, check the screenshot - the pilot is logged *in*, because he still shows in local. When you close the window, you are removed from local chat.
You can't tell anything by that. In a lagged situation there's no way to know how soon local will update. The only way it isn't an exploit is if the pilot hadn't logged off, and was actually dumb enough to drive outside the bubble AND THEN log off. I don't think anyone who has been playing the game more than a month is that dumb. -----------------------------------------------
Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No.
-DB Preacher[BoB] |
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bulabuba
Gallente Klima Galactic
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:59:00 -
[681]
Edited by: bulabuba on 16/02/2007 21:58:20
Originally by: Alikaraa
Hi, check the screenshot - the pilot is logged *in*, because he still shows in local. When you close the window, you are removed from local chat.
You can't tell anything by that. In a lagged situation there's no way to know how soon local will update. The only way it isn't an exploit is if the pilot hadn't logged off, and was actually dumb enough to drive outside the bubble AND THEN log off. I don't think anyone who has been playing the game more than a month is that dumb.
At any rate, it should be easy enough for CCP to tell from their logs whether the ship was logged out and warping off or being driven when it was aggroed. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. -----------------------------------------------
Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No.
-DB Preacher[BoB] |
Aries Acheron
The Valour United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:02:00 -
[682]
Originally by: bulabuba
Originally by: Alikaraa
Hi, check the screenshot - the pilot is logged *in*, because he still shows in local. When you close the window, you are removed from local chat.
You can't tell anything by that. In a lagged situation there's no way to know how soon local will update. The only way it isn't an exploit is if the pilot hadn't logged off, and was actually dumb enough to drive outside the bubble AND THEN log off. I don't think anyone who has been playing the game more than a month is that dumb.
If it was so lagged, how could the covert pilot be able to fire off just one smartbomb shot, yet not have the module lag to turn it off?
I'm sorry. I just really don't like tinfoil. The evidence doesn't seem to be able to be explained easilly as that. Remember, the pilot of the Titan went outside the bubble to use the Capital Jump Bridge Array, so he was out there for a moment while logged in. ~~~
Action! Suspense! Jita! Eve Tribune
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Faw'kin Friendly
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:03:00 -
[683]
You guys are pretty funny fighting over a ccp error whihch they wont fix b/c they dont care. You dont get do you they already have your money so why give a crap. plus witht devs and such pumping whoever full of handcaps to help them the game is ruined period. This game is dead CCP just doesnt know it yet.
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HellSpeed
angels of darkness LTD Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:06:00 -
[684]
Originally by: FGxHalsey Don't lose heart D2, the eve community supports you. Band of Cheaters once again proves that they can't win without exploiting some sort of bug.
We will, together, remove this cancer from eve.
You don't speak for the "community" I believe
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La Pounania
Minmatar Majestic Knights
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:07:00 -
[685]
lol so cheating bob lamed another kill next they will be able to make it respawn... go D2 don't let this take your moral down guys ______________________________________________________ |
insanebe
Caldari soni Corp Imperium Sonorumance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:07:00 -
[686]
ships shouldn't warp out at a pos :o/ knowledge is power.... guard it well |
bulabuba
Gallente Klima Galactic
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:09:00 -
[687]
Originally by: Aries Acheron
If it was so lagged, how could the covert pilot be able to fire off just one smartbomb shot, yet not have the module lag to turn it off?
I'm sorry. I just really don't like tinfoil. The evidence doesn't seem to be able to be explained easilly as that. Remember, the pilot of the Titan went outside the bubble to use the Capital Jump Bridge Array, so he was out there for a moment while logged in.
So, what you're suggesting is that the pilot drove outside the bubble on purpose, was targeted and hit by one of his own gang, and instead of just turning around and driving back inside the bubble, paniced and tried to log off without even bothering to warp to a safe spot? Interesting theory. Like I said, I'm sure we'll hear the real story when D2 decides to tell it. -----------------------------------------------
Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No.
-DB Preacher[BoB] |
Aries Acheron
The Valour United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:10:00 -
[688]
Originally by: bulabuba
Originally by: Aries Acheron
If it was so lagged, how could the covert pilot be able to fire off just one smartbomb shot, yet not have the module lag to turn it off?
I'm sorry. I just really don't like tinfoil. The evidence doesn't seem to be able to be explained easilly as that. Remember, the pilot of the Titan went outside the bubble to use the Capital Jump Bridge Array, so he was out there for a moment while logged in.
So, what you're suggesting is that the pilot drove outside the bubble on purpose, was targeted and hit by one of his own gang, and instead of just turning around and driving back inside the bubble, paniced and tried to log off without even bothering to warp to a safe spot? Interesting theory. Like I said, I'm sure we'll hear the real story when D2 decides to tell it.
That's what D2 said in their own thread, then the confession of the traitor pilot. D2 went outside to summon more ships, used the bridge array, didn't notice getting aggroed, and logged off. ~~~
Action! Suspense! Jita! Eve Tribune
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:10:00 -
[689]
Originally by: Faw'kin Friendly You guys are pretty funny fighting over a ccp error whihch they wont fix b/c they dont care. You dont get do you they already have your money so why give a crap. plus witht devs and such pumping whoever full of handcaps to help them the game is ruined period. This game is dead CCP just doesnt know it yet.
I sure hope you are wrong, but if bending rules is the way to win fights, then BOB will do well in this war, as we all know, they really know how to bend rules so far, that some people would say that they broke them. (then of course a dev steps in and says it was intended that way )
Well done on the offline Titan *cough* kill...slaughter. And I hope you paid Lucent well for his "great" deed
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bulabuba
Gallente Klima Galactic
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:15:00 -
[690]
Edited by: bulabuba on 16/02/2007 22:12:16
Originally by: Aries Acheron
That's what D2 said in their own thread, then the confession of the traitor pilot. D2 went outside to summon more ships, used the bridge array, didn't notice getting aggroed, and logged off.
Oh. Sorry, didn't read that. Like I said, I was only going on what I read in this thread. If that's the case, chalk up another one for BoB esponiage. I hope it was worth it. If D2 wasn't determined to see BoB dead and stinky before, my guess is they damn sure are now. -----------------------------------------------
Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No.
-DB Preacher[BoB] |
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Superbus Maximus
Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:16:00 -
[691]
Edited by: Superbus Maximus on 16/02/2007 22:13:06
Originally by: Man1ac
Originally by: Icomeinpeace Tinfoil hats are out in full force for this thread lol ...
Tinfoil hats... Yeah...
Lol just sad. I suggest everyone look at this vid its very interesting. Sig removed - I love BoB so you cant have this sig. |
Ewa Quillam
Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:21:00 -
[692]
Edited by: Ewa Quillam on 16/02/2007 22:20:05
Originally by: Ozzie Asrail
Originally by: Ewa Quillam
Originally by: Tainos
Originally by: Ewa Quillam If it's true that the titan sat in a pos for 3 hours and then it logged off while agressed it could mean a spy fired on him and fired on him right before he disconnected. This was stated before in the thread.
It was also stated before in the thread that you can't shoot people inside a POS. Duh.
Although I didn't test either of them, there are 2 possibilities: - smartbombs - target and fire at the ship from without the pos by using a passive targeter.
Looks at SS. http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg
Yea inside the pos shield...
Actually I was pretty close to it, spy + smartbomb, but apparently outside the POS shield.
Anyway, there is another with other explanations in it.
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Exelsior
Colossus Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:24:00 -
[693]
Now check my previous posts about saying it wasn't h4x, or that at least everyone should stfu until we found out more details. Back at the beginning of this thread.
Ok, now can people stop calling me a BoB alt just because I behave in a sensible manner, and will everyone in the 'coalition' who keeps trolling PLEASE shut up and THINK before you post? In the end you end up looking like idiots yourselves, and not BoB.
You're doing them a favour.
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Sorja
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:35:00 -
[694]
If the the screenshot is legit, why would the cov ops pilot fire his smartbomb if he wasn't 100% sure Wotank was not in front of his keyboard anymore?
Whether it was genuine infiltration or a bought character, having a 'spy' able to be in the same gang as the flagship of D2 was HIGHLY valuable. Firing his smartbomb and being noticed would have resulted in his immediate removal from his corp/alliance and BoB would have lost a master piece.
So I'm convinced he only fired his smartie when he was sure the Titan was not under pilot control anymore.
Whatever, this is clearly abusing game mechanics and should result in the ship replacement. BoB don't need underhanded tactics to win, do they? ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not. |
Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:41:00 -
[695]
Originally by: Sorja If the the screenshot is legit, why would the cov ops pilot fire his smartbomb if he wasn't 100% sure Wotank was not in front of his keyboard anymore?
Whether it was genuine infiltration or a bought character, having a 'spy' able to be in the same gang as the flagship of D2 was HIGHLY valuable. Firing his smartbomb and being noticed would have resulted in his immediate removal from his corp/alliance and BoB would have lost a master piece.
So I'm convinced he only fired his smartie when he was sure the Titan was not under pilot control anymore.
Whatever, this is clearly abusing game mechanics and should result in the ship replacement. BoB don't need underhanded tactics to win, do they?
Now your really going into conspericy mode now. If the pilot was logged out, the smartbomb wouldn't have restarted anouther aggro timer.
The simplest explaination goes something like this.
"Ok I'm going to log now"
Smartbomb
Dead titan.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:41:00 -
[696]
Originally by: Sorja If the the screenshot is legit, why would the cov ops pilot fire his smartbomb if he wasn't 100% sure Wotank was not in front of his keyboard anymore?
Whether it was genuine infiltration or a bought character, having a 'spy' able to be in the same gang as the flagship of D2 was HIGHLY valuable. Firing his smartbomb and being noticed would have resulted in his immediate removal from his corp/alliance and BoB would have lost a master piece.
So I'm convinced he only fired his smartie when he was sure the Titan was not under pilot control anymore.
Whatever, this is clearly abusing game mechanics and should result in the ship replacement. BoB don't need underhanded tactics to win, do they?
Now your really going into conspericy mode now. If the pilot was logged out, the smartbomb wouldn't have restarted anouther aggro timer.
The simplest explaination goes something like this.
"Ok I'm going to log now"
Smartbomb
Dead titan.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:41:00 -
[697]
Originally by: Sorja If the the screenshot is legit, why would the cov ops pilot fire his smartbomb if he wasn't 100% sure Wotank was not in front of his keyboard anymore?
Whether it was genuine infiltration or a bought character, having a 'spy' able to be in the same gang as the flagship of D2 was HIGHLY valuable. Firing his smartbomb and being noticed would have resulted in his immediate removal from his corp/alliance and BoB would have lost a master piece.
So I'm convinced he only fired his smartie when he was sure the Titan was not under pilot control anymore.
Whatever, this is clearly abusing game mechanics and should result in the ship replacement. BoB don't need underhanded tactics to win, do they?
Now your really going into conspericy mode now. If the pilot was logged out, the smartbomb wouldn't have restarted anouther aggro timer.
The simplest explaination goes something like this.
"Ok I'm going to log now"
Smartbomb
Dead titan.
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Sorja
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:51:00 -
[698]
Originally by: Lorth If the pilot was logged out, the smartbomb wouldn't have restarted anouther aggro timer.
You may be right, I'm not sure about that. On the other hand, I'm sure that BoB always has the latest in highly specialized metagaming tactics. They must be geniuses to find all that by themselves, props for that ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not. |
Sorja
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:51:00 -
[699]
Originally by: Lorth If the pilot was logged out, the smartbomb wouldn't have restarted anouther aggro timer.
You may be right, I'm not sure about that. On the other hand, I'm sure that BoB always has the latest in highly specialized metagaming tactics. They must be geniuses to find all that by themselves, props for that ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not. |
DiuxDium
Casting Shadows
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:56:00 -
[700]
Originally by: Sorja If the the screenshot is legit, why would the cov ops pilot fire his smartbomb if he wasn't 100% sure Wotank was not in front of his keyboard anymore?
Whether it was genuine infiltration or a bought character, having a 'spy' able to be in the same gang as the flagship of D2 was HIGHLY valuable. Firing his smartbomb and being noticed would have resulted in his immediate removal from his corp/alliance and BoB would have lost a master piece.
So I'm convinced he only fired his smartie when he was sure the Titan was not under pilot control anymore.
Whatever, this is clearly abusing game mechanics and should result in the ship replacement. BoB don't need underhanded tactics to win, do they?
Boo Hoo, it's only ok when WE use underhanded tactics.
I was there. When D2 took out ISS pos's in EC. Guess what CHUMP. There was nothing legit about that.
Welcome to EvE. Wear a Cup.
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DiuxDium
Casting Shadows
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:56:00 -
[701]
Originally by: Sorja If the the screenshot is legit, why would the cov ops pilot fire his smartbomb if he wasn't 100% sure Wotank was not in front of his keyboard anymore?
Whether it was genuine infiltration or a bought character, having a 'spy' able to be in the same gang as the flagship of D2 was HIGHLY valuable. Firing his smartbomb and being noticed would have resulted in his immediate removal from his corp/alliance and BoB would have lost a master piece.
So I'm convinced he only fired his smartie when he was sure the Titan was not under pilot control anymore.
Whatever, this is clearly abusing game mechanics and should result in the ship replacement. BoB don't need underhanded tactics to win, do they?
Boo Hoo, it's only ok when WE use underhanded tactics.
I was there. When D2 took out ISS pos's in EC. Guess what CHUMP. There was nothing legit about that.
Welcome to EvE. Wear a Cup.
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Liet Traep
Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:59:00 -
[702]
Some people say it's sad news for D2. I think it's sad news for the entire Eve community. It could be a legitimate kill. Just good planning on BoD's part. But with recent events who knows? It's not like they're considered the most trustworthy entity in Eve right now. I personally await the day that we're in one of these threads marvelling at the loss of a BoD titan.
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Liet Traep
Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:59:00 -
[703]
Some people say it's sad news for D2. I think it's sad news for the entire Eve community. It could be a legitimate kill. Just good planning on BoD's part. But with recent events who knows? It's not like they're considered the most trustworthy entity in Eve right now. I personally await the day that we're in one of these threads marvelling at the loss of a BoD titan.
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Caribardi
Solar Storm X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:09:00 -
[704]
I begin to wonder if there will ever be a legit titan kill.
They do need to add some kind of "file has not been saved. Do you wish to save now?" type of popup warning for the aggro timer. It probably won't work any better than the timer that is supposed to be in the upper left corner but we can always hope. -------------------- This area is a Sun-Tzu-Quote- and Dead-Language-Free Zone. |
Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:24:00 -
[705]
Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 16/02/2007 23:21:21
Originally by: Sorja BoB don't need underhanded tactics to win, do they?
Thats the quote of the game.
Bob DO NOT need these tactics as they were most of the time better than any other alliance in this game.
I dont know why they need it.
And thats why i was questioning the real BoB progress in this game and what they really achieved.
By real means nothing.
But they could have so much w/o any of the above. --------------------------------
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:24:00 -
[706]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/02/2007 23:23:30
Originally by: Sorja
Originally by: Lorth If the pilot was logged out, the smartbomb wouldn't have restarted anouther aggro timer.
You may be right, I'm not sure about that. On the other hand, I'm sure that BoB always has the latest in highly specialized metagaming tactics. They must be geniuses to find all that by themselves, props for that
Yes you must be a genius to think about using a smartbomb or ECM burst to aggress someone, if you don't want to or can't target him ... also to do it with a spy. Btw if everything happened out of the pos-shield, the kill seems ligit.
If you want fair play, try to spread the message in your unholy coalition like the fofo-guys or the people, who try to kill BoB, LV and everyone else by causing our ears and brains to bleed with their never ending pathetic accusations, dev-smack and dev-whineage.
k, only speaking for myself, have a nice day. _______ I came, I read, I lol'ed. |
Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:24:00 -
[707]
Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 16/02/2007 23:21:21
Originally by: Sorja BoB don't need underhanded tactics to win, do they?
Thats the quote of the game.
Bob DO NOT need these tactics as they were most of the time better than any other alliance in this game.
I dont know why they need it.
And thats why i was questioning the real BoB progress in this game and what they really achieved.
By real means nothing.
But they could have so much w/o any of the above. --------------------------------
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:24:00 -
[708]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/02/2007 23:23:30
Originally by: Sorja
Originally by: Lorth If the pilot was logged out, the smartbomb wouldn't have restarted anouther aggro timer.
You may be right, I'm not sure about that. On the other hand, I'm sure that BoB always has the latest in highly specialized metagaming tactics. They must be geniuses to find all that by themselves, props for that
Yes you must be a genius to think about using a smartbomb or ECM burst to aggress someone, if you don't want to or can't target him ... also to do it with a spy. Btw if everything happened out of the pos-shield, the kill seems ligit.
If you want fair play, try to spread the message in your unholy coalition like the fofo-guys or the people, who try to kill BoB, LV and everyone else by causing our ears and brains to bleed with their never ending pathetic accusations, dev-smack and dev-whineage.
k, only speaking for myself, have a nice day. _______ I came, I read, I lol'ed. |
Nvali
Inactive Hardeners
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:25:00 -
[709]
Edited by: Nvali on 16/02/2007 23:21:52
Originally by: bulabuba When you close the window, you're done. You should not be aggro-able at that instant if you aren't already.
This is actually true. Your aggro timer is set at the time you hit ctrl-q. You will note from the screenshot, from the green dot, that the titan was still logged in when it was aggroed. If you had aggro before you hit ctrl-q, you'll be on the 15 minute timer. Otherwise, 1 minute timer. The timer doesn't change after you log, even if somebody shoots at you during the minute. If you tackle a ship after it logs to keep it from doing the ewarp, it will just sit in front of you for a minute and then disappear. ---
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Nvali
Inactive Hardeners
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:25:00 -
[710]
Edited by: Nvali on 16/02/2007 23:21:52
Originally by: bulabuba When you close the window, you're done. You should not be aggro-able at that instant if you aren't already.
This is actually true. Your aggro timer is set at the time you hit ctrl-q. You will note from the screenshot, from the green dot, that the titan was still logged in when it was aggroed. If you had aggro before you hit ctrl-q, you'll be on the 15 minute timer. Otherwise, 1 minute timer. The timer doesn't change after you log, even if somebody shoots at you during the minute. If you tackle a ship after it logs to keep it from doing the ewarp, it will just sit in front of you for a minute and then disappear. ---
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:26:00 -
[711]
Originally by: Plutoinum Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/02/2007 23:21:35
Originally by: Sorja
Originally by: Lorth If the pilot was logged out, the smartbomb wouldn't have restarted anouther aggro timer.
You may be right, I'm not sure about that. On the other hand, I'm sure that BoB always has the latest in highly specialized metagaming tactics. They must be geniuses to find all that by themselves, props for that
Yes you must be a genius to use a smartbomb or ECM burst to aggress someone, if you don't want to or can't target him ... Btw if everything happened out of the pos-shield, the kill seems ligit. If you want fair play, try to spread the message in your unholy coalition like the fofo-guys or the people, who try to kill BoB, LV and everyone else by causing our ears and brains to bleed with their never ending pathetic accusations, dev-smack and dev-whineage.
k, only speaking for myself, have a nice day.
lol 2 posts beneath, hi my brother :) --------------------------------
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:26:00 -
[712]
Originally by: Plutoinum Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/02/2007 23:21:35
Originally by: Sorja
Originally by: Lorth If the pilot was logged out, the smartbomb wouldn't have restarted anouther aggro timer.
You may be right, I'm not sure about that. On the other hand, I'm sure that BoB always has the latest in highly specialized metagaming tactics. They must be geniuses to find all that by themselves, props for that
Yes you must be a genius to use a smartbomb or ECM burst to aggress someone, if you don't want to or can't target him ... Btw if everything happened out of the pos-shield, the kill seems ligit. If you want fair play, try to spread the message in your unholy coalition like the fofo-guys or the people, who try to kill BoB, LV and everyone else by causing our ears and brains to bleed with their never ending pathetic accusations, dev-smack and dev-whineage.
k, only speaking for myself, have a nice day.
lol 2 posts beneath, hi my brother :) --------------------------------
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Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:28:00 -
[713]
Our silence makes this suspicious?
Months ago our glibness made things suspicious as well.
I hear the Titan's pilot's relatives were paid by a BoB spy to fake an important event to call him away from EVE in order to make this happen.
If enough people repeat this, then it must be true.
Am I playing this tinfoilhattery right?
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Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:28:00 -
[714]
Our silence makes this suspicious?
Months ago our glibness made things suspicious as well.
I hear the Titan's pilot's relatives were paid by a BoB spy to fake an important event to call him away from EVE in order to make this happen.
If enough people repeat this, then it must be true.
Am I playing this tinfoilhattery right?
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:29:00 -
[715]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
lol 2 posts beneath, hi my brother :)
Hi brother. Sorry for smacking btw. I try to resist, but it's so hard. _______ I came, I read, I lol'ed. |
Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:29:00 -
[716]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
lol 2 posts beneath, hi my brother :)
Hi brother. Sorry for smacking btw. I try to resist, but it's so hard. _______ I came, I read, I lol'ed. |
Apollo Kreed
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:32:00 -
[717]
So what's that make now, two (unpiloted) Titan kills for Bob?
Grats guys.
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Superbus Maximus
Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:37:00 -
[718]
Originally by: Plutoinum Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/02/2007 23:23:30
Originally by: Sorja
Originally by: Lorth If the pilot was logged out, the smartbomb wouldn't have restarted anouther aggro timer.
You may be right, I'm not sure about that. On the other hand, I'm sure that BoB always has the latest in highly specialized metagaming tactics. They must be geniuses to find all that by themselves, props for that
Yes you must be a genius to think about using a smartbomb or ECM burst to aggress someone, if you don't want to or can't target him ... also to do it with a spy. Btw if everything happened out of the pos-shield, the kill seems ligit.
If you want fair play, try to spread the message in your unholy coalition like the fofo-guys or the people, who try to kill BoB, LV and everyone else by causing our ears and brains to bleed with their never ending pathetic accusations, dev-smack and dev-whineage.
k, only speaking for myself, have a nice day.
Accusations huh? Well the titan kill was defantly legit, but what is this WTF! I would like to hear from the d2 thanatos pilot who was being shot while he was in the pos shields. Sig removed - I love BoB so you cant have this sig. |
Edde Bebbi
Amarr The Griffin
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:38:00 -
[719]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 16/02/2007 23:21:21
Originally by: Sorja BoB don't need underhanded tactics to win, do they?
Thats the quote of the game.
Bob DO NOT need these tactics as they were most of the time better than any other alliance in this game.
I dont know why they need it.
And thats why i was questioning the real BoB progress in this game and what they really achieved.
By real means nothing.
But they could have so much w/o any of the above.
Because you have organised a 30:1 alliance against them and killing your figurehead in the first weak of the war is a massive win however you try and spin it.
If this had been Goon killing LVs titan or D2 killing BoBs, Every one of you flamers would be calling it awesome tactics and skill and shouting at CCP not to reimburse. Honestly, try and claim otherwise.
Funny how these things work.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari The Keep THE R0CK
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:47:00 -
[720]
Nothing BoB has ever done, or will ever do will be done without suspicion. Suspicion that is in many ways justified. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
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Grenadyr
Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:12:00 -
[721]
Edited by: Grenadyr on 17/02/2007 00:11:29 Edited by: Grenadyr on 17/02/2007 00:10:57
Great Job guys! Wish Id been there!!!
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Grenadyr
Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:12:00 -
[722]
Edited by: Grenadyr on 17/02/2007 00:11:29 Edited by: Grenadyr on 17/02/2007 00:10:57
Great Job guys! Wish Id been there!!!
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:14:00 -
[723]
Originally by: Tunajuice This definitely puts a damper on the rabble rabble coalition...
Does it now. I'll still be in your spaces, shootin your nooblets...
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:14:00 -
[724]
Originally by: Tunajuice This definitely puts a damper on the rabble rabble coalition...
Does it now. I'll still be in your spaces, shootin your nooblets...
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vile56
Nubs. Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:16:00 -
[725]
this sounds alot like counter strike to me, with all the omghax crys.
seems they can hax better than d2 so they win regardless
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vile56
Nubs. Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:16:00 -
[726]
this sounds alot like counter strike to me, with all the omghax crys.
seems they can hax better than d2 so they win regardless
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:18:00 -
[727]
Hmm, must bug people for high-res fraps.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:18:00 -
[728]
Hmm, must bug people for high-res fraps.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:22:00 -
[729]
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 16/02/2007 23:21:21
Originally by: Sorja BoB don't need underhanded tactics to win, do they?
Thats the quote of the game.
Bob DO NOT need these tactics as they were most of the time better than any other alliance in this game.
I dont know why they need it.
And thats why i was questioning the real BoB progress in this game and what they really achieved.
By real means nothing.
But they could have so much w/o any of the above.
Because you have organised a 30:1 alliance against them and killing your figurehead in the first weak of the war is a massive win however you try and spin it.
If this had been Goon killing LVs titan or D2 killing BoBs, Every one of you flamers would be calling it awesome tactics and skill and shouting at CCP not to reimburse. Honestly, try and claim otherwise.
Funny how these things work.
I am also talking of the past, where G eg. was HEAVILY outnumbered by everyone.
But i see from ur post that ur a nublet. 30 to 1
LOOOOOOL!
Its carneval here, thanks for the gift, desperado --------------------------------
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Edde Bebbi
Amarr The Griffin
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:24:00 -
[730]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 16/02/2007 23:21:21
Originally by: Sorja BoB don't need underhanded tactics to win, do they?
Thats the quote of the game.
Bob DO NOT need these tactics as they were most of the time better than any other alliance in this game.
I dont know why they need it.
And thats why i was questioning the real BoB progress in this game and what they really achieved.
By real means nothing.
But they could have so much w/o any of the above.
Because you have organised a 30:1 alliance against them and killing your figurehead in the first weak of the war is a massive win however you try and spin it.
If this had been Goon killing LVs titan or D2 killing BoBs, Every one of you flamers would be calling it awesome tactics and skill and shouting at CCP not to reimburse. Honestly, try and claim otherwise.
Funny how these things work.
I am also talking of the past, where G eg. was HEAVILY outnumbered by everyone.
But i see from ur post that ur a nublet. 30 to 1
LOOOOOOL!
Its carneval here, thanks for the gift, desperado
Do you really want me to add up the players in all the alliances you are Napped with? It wont be 30:1 but itll be a hell of a lot more than 5:1
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Dinamita Tona
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:25:00 -
[731]
Originally by: Superbus Maximus
Originally by: Plutoinum Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/02/2007 23:23:30
Originally by: Sorja
Originally by: Lorth If the pilot was logged out, the smartbomb wouldn't have restarted anouther aggro timer.
You may be right, I'm not sure about that. On the other hand, I'm sure that BoB always has the latest in highly specialized metagaming tactics. They must be geniuses to find all that by themselves, props for that
Yes you must be a genius to think about using a smartbomb or ECM burst to aggress someone, if you don't want to or can't target him ... also to do it with a spy. Btw if everything happened out of the pos-shield, the kill seems ligit.
If you want fair play, try to spread the message in your unholy coalition like the fofo-guys or the people, who try to kill BoB, LV and everyone else by causing our ears and brains to bleed with their never ending pathetic accusations, dev-smack and dev-whineage.
k, only speaking for myself, have a nice day.
Accusations huh? Well the titan kill was defantly legit, but what is this WTF! I would like to hear from the d2 thanatos pilot who was being shot while he was in the pos shields.
You know if u take time to learn game mechanic u might realize that a Carrier, person A standing on point X in front of POS shield and being shot by person B and person C and persons X in front (OUTSIDE) POS shield is all fair and square. Then Person A moves inside of the shield. Person B and C and X lose lock regardless of passive targeters or anything they might have fitted on their ships. But Torpedoes, like, i heared was case with D2 carrier, WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE TOWARD TARGET EVEN IF TARGET IS INSIDE OF SHIELD AND EVEN IF PERSONS B AND C AND X LOST LOCK. Last round fired of torpedoes went into shield and hited carrier ie person A who in all his fear and dumbness and not knowing game mechanics panicked (Insert: OMFG HAXORZ THEY SHOOT IN POS XPLOITS IM GONNA DIE) and foolishly warped to a planet where he was LEGIT killed by BoB.
kthxby
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:25:00 -
[732]
Originally by: Superbus Maximus Accusations huh? Well the titan kill was defantly legit, but what is this WTF! I would like to hear from the d2 thanatos pilot who was being shot while he was in the pos shields.
If you target someone whose outside of the shield the lock wont break when he enters it. Other then that theres not supposed to be a way to lock someone inside a shield. -----
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:26:00 -
[733]
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 16/02/2007 23:21:21
Originally by: Sorja BoB don't need underhanded tactics to win, do they?
Thats the quote of the game.
Bob DO NOT need these tactics as they were most of the time better than any other alliance in this game.
I dont know why they need it.
And thats why i was questioning the real BoB progress in this game and what they really achieved.
By real means nothing.
But they could have so much w/o any of the above.
Because you have organised a 30:1 alliance against them and killing your figurehead in the first weak of the war is a massive win however you try and spin it.
If this had been Goon killing LVs titan or D2 killing BoBs, Every one of you flamers would be calling it awesome tactics and skill and shouting at CCP not to reimburse. Honestly, try and claim otherwise.
Funny how these things work.
I am also talking of the past, where G eg. was HEAVILY outnumbered by everyone.
But i see from ur post that ur a nublet. 30 to 1
LOOOOOOL!
Its carneval here, thanks for the gift, desperado
Do you really want me to add up the players in all the alliances you are Napped with? It wont be 30:1 but itll be a hell of a lot more than 5:1
yes plz, mr. mathematics and i want to be kewl on teh forums!
tell me the REAL TRUTH!
But dont forget bob allies. --------------------------------
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Charly Quickfire
Mindless Destruction
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:27:00 -
[734]
Interesting times.
Originally by: Bellon The way I heard it, BoB killed the D2 titan as a direct response to Shin Ra's post.
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Chuck Dawg
Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:27:00 -
[735]
I'll put down 1bil isk that D2 get it back due to exploit.
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:28:00 -
[736]
Originally by: Chuck Dawg I'll put down 1bil isk that D2 get it back due to exploit.
If they dont i am takeing you up on that.
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Edde Bebbi
Amarr The Griffin
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:29:00 -
[737]
Originally by: bulabuba
Originally by: Aries Acheron Well. This seems to be the case.
This screenshot I got from another thread shows how it was done.
http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg
Apparently, a member of the Titan's own gang in a covert ops waited for the Titan to go outside of the shield, then smartbombed it with a micro, giving it aggro as it logged. The Titan zoomed off, and BoB probed.
There's no passive targetter there, and given that the titan was POSed up, wreck aggro doesn't look like it's involved. A painful blow and one reason why I hate spies in any sense, but it seems 'legit' as far as claims of hacking or bugs go. If it's legit morally.. well. It's effectively the same thing as what happened to Cyvok's it seems...
That's an exploit. In other words, the game is not intended to work that way, and taking advantage of the fact that it does, rather than reporting the error, is exploiting.
When you close the window, you're done. You should not be aggro-able at that instant if you aren't already. You are out of the game. The fact that your ship warps off is only there as a measure to take you out of harm's way in case of a crash. The aggro timer is only there to ensure that you can't save yourself by closing the window ONCE YOU ALREADY HAVE AGGRO. If that's how it was done, the man deserves his ship back, and CCP needs to fix the bug after admonishing some folks that exploiting bugs rather than reporting them is a no-no.
He was aggrod before logging off.
Eve IS intended to work this way.
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Edde Bebbi
Amarr The Griffin
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Chuck Dawg I'll put down 1bil isk that D2 get it back due to exploit.
Ill take it. There was no exploit and D2 arnt claiming there was.
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vile56
Nubs. Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:30:00 -
[739]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 16/02/2007 23:21:21
Originally by: Sorja BoB don't need underhanded tactics to win, do they?
Thats the quote of the game.
Bob DO NOT need these tactics as they were most of the time better than any other alliance in this game.
I dont know why they need it.
And thats why i was questioning the real BoB progress in this game and what they really achieved.
By real means nothing.
But they could have so much w/o any of the above.
Because you have organised a 30:1 alliance against them and killing your figurehead in the first weak of the war is a massive win however you try and spin it.
If this had been Goon killing LVs titan or D2 killing BoBs, Every one of you flamers would be calling it awesome tactics and skill and shouting at CCP not to reimburse. Honestly, try and claim otherwise.
Funny how these things work.
I am also talking of the past, where G eg. was HEAVILY outnumbered by everyone.
But i see from ur post that ur a nublet. 30 to 1
LOOOOOOL!
Its carneval here, thanks for the gift, desperado
Do you really want me to add up the players in all the alliances you are Napped with? It wont be 30:1 but itll be a hell of a lot more than 5:1
yes plz, mr. mathematics and i want to be kewl on teh forums!
tell me the REAL TRUTH!
But dont forget bob allies.
this is very much like counter strike, 12yr old smack and useing k for c
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Hennry Fromer
Gallente radiated space gerbils
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:31:00 -
[740]
Originally by: batloard well d2 are saying the titan was sitting in a pos for around 3 hours and was not agressed, he jump bridged some ships to yz and shortly logged off, and bob proceeded to kill him in this state. All it wouldve took was someone to shoot one wreck, or even his own guys shooting him to get him agressed before he logged. A titan is a big target so there is a small chance someone shot at him somewhere.
IS the act of jumping a fleet somehow a hostile act - putting them into position to fight?
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DiuxDium
Casting Shadows
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:32:00 -
[741]
Originally by: Chuck Dawg I'll put down 1bil isk that D2 get it back due to exploit.
Quoting this to remind my self. The bet is on.
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Sionn Klorgh
Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:33:00 -
[742]
Edited by: Sionn Klorgh on 17/02/2007 00:29:37 Was there not a GM in local that congratulated BOB on the kill? Perhaps he can fill everyone in on the details.
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Edde Bebbi
Amarr The Griffin
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:34:00 -
[743]
Originally by: Sionn Klorgh Edited by: Sionn Klorgh on 17/02/2007 00:29:37 Was there not a GM in local that congratulated BOB on the kill? Perhaps he can fill everyone in on the details.
I love how people just make stuff up (well done to the TCF guy for this one) and then everyone believes it.
OMG HAX. We have seen the screenshots that show EXACTLY how the titan was killed. How can there be any more debate?
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:37:00 -
[744]
Originally by: Sionn Klorgh Was there not a GM in local that congratulated BOB on the kill? Perhaps he can fill everyone in on the details.
No, the GM talked in BoB alliance chat (sorry, couldn't resist, have no clue hehe)
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mccoolexe
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:42:00 -
[745]
sorry about the titan loss D2
Mcc
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:53:00 -
[746]
Originally by: vile56
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 16/02/2007 23:21:21
Originally by: Sorja BoB don't need underhanded tactics to win, do they?
Thats the quote of the game.
Bob DO NOT need these tactics as they were most of the time better than any other alliance in this game.
I dont know why they need it.
And thats why i was questioning the real BoB progress in this game and what they really achieved.
By real means nothing.
But they could have so much w/o any of the above.
Because you have organised a 30:1 alliance against them and killing your figurehead in the first weak of the war is a massive win however you try and spin it.
If this had been Goon killing LVs titan or D2 killing BoBs, Every one of you flamers would be calling it awesome tactics and skill and shouting at CCP not to reimburse. Honestly, try and claim otherwise.
Funny how these things work.
I am also talking of the past, where G eg. was HEAVILY outnumbered by everyone.
But i see from ur post that ur a nublet. 30 to 1
LOOOOOOL!
Its carneval here, thanks for the gift, desperado
Do you really want me to add up the players in all the alliances you are Napped with? It wont be 30:1 but itll be a hell of a lot more than 5:1
yes plz, mr. mathematics and i want to be kewl on teh forums!
tell me the REAL TRUTH!
But dont forget bob allies.
this is very much like counter strike, 12yr old smack and useing k for c
And what do you have to contribute? --------------------------------
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Boci
The Legion.
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:54:00 -
[747]
Originally by: Hennry Fromer
Originally by: batloard well d2 are saying the titan was sitting in a pos for around 3 hours and was not agressed, he jump bridged some ships to yz and shortly logged off, and bob proceeded to kill him in this state. All it wouldve took was someone to shoot one wreck, or even his own guys shooting him to get him agressed before he logged. A titan is a big target so there is a small chance someone shot at him somewhere.
IS the act of jumping a fleet somehow a hostile act - putting them into position to fight?
Did everyone somehow miss the post, from D2, saying that there was nothing "shady" used to cause the kill? Or the screenshot of the micro smartbomb hitting the titan in the first place?
Get over it. BoB thought ahead and had scouts/spies in probable escape locations ready for the titan to jump. It paid off, get used to it.
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Man1ac
Xenobytes Stain Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:55:00 -
[748]
Originally by: Dinamita Tona
... If you want fair play, try to spread the message in your unholy coalition like the fofo-guys or the people, who try to kill BoB, LV and everyone else by causing our ears and brains to bleed with their never ending pathetic accusations, dev-smack and dev-whineage.
k, only speaking for myself, have a nice day.
Accusations huh? Well the titan kill was defantly legit, but what is this WTF! I would like to hear from the d2 thanatos pilot who was being shot while he was in the pos shields.
You know if u take time to learn game mechanic u might realize that a Carrier, person A standing on point X in front of POS shield and being shot by person B and person C and persons X in front (OUTSIDE) POS shield is all fair and square. Then Person A moves inside of the shield. Person B and C and X lose lock regardless of passive targeters or anything they might have fitted on their ships. But Torpedoes, like, i heared was case with D2 carrier, WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE TOWARD TARGET EVEN IF TARGET IS INSIDE OF SHIELD AND EVEN IF PERSONS B AND C AND X LOST LOCK. Last round fired of torpedoes went into shield and hited carrier ie person A who in all his fear and dumbness and not knowing game mechanics panicked (Insert: OMFG HAXORZ THEY SHOOT IN POS XPLOITS IM GONNA DIE) and foolishly warped to a planet where he was LEGIT killed by BoB.
kthxby
If you look at the vid, you see that carrier is not moving. Capital ships take long time to move and to stop, so he might be standing there for a LONG time fairly away from the shield border.
I can speak only of my personal feelings regarding that. And those feeling are full of Disappointment.
It's ok if from now on I will take everything BoB's and Boblets say with a huge grain of salt?
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Rangar
Gallente The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.17 01:02:00 -
[749]
This was the 3rd (if you count the unfinished also) titan in the game lost due to cheat/exploit/bug. Seems to be the only way, how titans are killed in EVE.
And a GM congratulating BoB in local for killing a titan due to such a lame tactics shows, that CCP has not the slightest clue, that the game is going downhill very fast.
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Flying DogbearRatcat
Cornerstone Unlimited The Foundation.
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Posted - 2007.02.17 01:16:00 -
[750]
i can see why the mechanics work like this but it is still very lame. BOB appears to like to be seen as a good pvp organisation yet surely far more respect would be gained if they waited and killed one in combat rather than because a game mechanic regarding logoff.
Regarding the LV titan, i think that is different. Both the attacking force and the defending force had to deal with the lag didnt they?, so it was kinda even in a way, though i may be wrong.
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Einheriar Ulrich
Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.17 01:17:00 -
[751]
Originally by: Rangar This was the 3rd (if you count the unfinished also) titan in the game lost due to cheat/exploit/bug. Seems to be the only way, how titans are killed in EVE.
And a GM congratulating BoB in local for killing a titan due to such a lame tactics shows, that CCP has not the slightest clue, that the game is going downhill very fast.
Maybe its going downhill, because of all your conspiracy theories and whine whine whine.
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm
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Posted - 2007.02.17 01:21:00 -
[752]
Edited by: HankMurphy on 17/02/2007 01:17:37
Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich
Originally by: Rangar This was the 3rd (if you count the unfinished also) titan in the game lost due to cheat/exploit/bug. Seems to be the only way, how titans are killed in EVE.
And a GM congratulating BoB in local for killing a titan due to such a lame tactics shows, that CCP has not the slightest clue, that the game is going downhill very fast.
Maybe its going downhill, because of all your conspiracy theories and whine whine whine.
QFFT, i've never seen anything so PATHETIC as these last few days of whining in almost 3 years of eve. Its one thing to smack a bit, be a little arrogent/cocky, but for gods sakes, if they would just listen to themselves before they posted...... christ, if its THAT BAD in your eye's guys, go play WoW!
The coalition, or bandwagon, or whatever really showing what they made of on the forums, thats for sure.
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Demoria
Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.17 01:23:00 -
[753]
i lub isszz ------------------------------------------ i am the flying moo ham edd |
Weatherman
Gallente Xoth Inc
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Posted - 2007.02.17 01:35:00 -
[754]
In reality, if you've got a titan logged in and a substantial amount of alliance members engaged in combat, the titan ought to be aggressed because you are no doubt working closely with people who are engaged in combat. Simply being logged in with a titan during fleet ops could be conceived to be an act of agression. You don't log in with a titan to check prices in jita, after all. Logging in with one is a very deliberate act and people should know that if they do not do so carefully then they are likely to lose it.
If you use game mechanics to kill someone who was very likely to attack you if given the chance, I don't see the problem with that.
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.17 01:40:00 -
[755]
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Fitz Regal
Invictus Unbowed
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Posted - 2007.02.17 01:44:00 -
[756]
Originally by: Jin Entres "All warfare is based on dodgy game mechanics."
"Attack him where he is logged off."
-Sun Tzu, Art Of EvE War
I updated it for you :)
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Logi3
EVE Corporation 1631
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Posted - 2007.02.17 01:45:00 -
[757]
Edited by: Logi3 on 17/02/2007 01:44:15 So many nobodies or or wannbies posting in these war threads.... bugger off and stop talking crap...
Anyway.. Trouble is what BoB did i think should be deemed exploit. But, CCP have not classed it as an exploit so its fair game. And although i think it was lame, fair do's for pulling it off. Its actions like this that can win a war, although this war is far from over.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.02.17 01:46:00 -
[758]
I think this is the final time for CCP to decide what sort of gameplay they want.
Some nice pew pew or metagaming and stretching rules to their maximum and beyond.
What do we want?
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Fitz Regal
Invictus Unbowed
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Posted - 2007.02.17 01:50:00 -
[759]
Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich
Originally by: Rangar This was the 3rd (if you count the unfinished also) titan in the game lost due to cheat/exploit/bug. Seems to be the only way, how titans are killed in EVE.
And a GM congratulating BoB in local for killing a titan due to such a lame tactics shows, that CCP has not the slightest clue, that the game is going downhill very fast.
Maybe its going downhill, because of all your conspiracy theories and whine whine whine.
Maybe, but I know two guys quitting the game right now because they have lost all faith in ccp and eve, and these are not guys directly involved in this conflict but are long standing players, with many accounts between them, one of whom even travelled to the fan fest last year, i.e. hardcore eve players and fans that have just lost all faith in the game.
You see this as a good thing?
People "whine" (though everyone who posts the opposite view to someone else is seen by that person as a whiner) because they are frustrated, are not getting answers, almost every major loss seems to be more about lag and sploiting game mechanics than it does about playing the game straight.
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Weatherman
Gallente Xoth Inc
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Posted - 2007.02.17 01:51:00 -
[760]
Quote: Anyway.. Trouble is what BoB did i think should be deemed exploit.
how is it an exploit to attack someone before they log off? Should corps be able to keep titans always at the ready and just log them off whenever the situation looks bad?
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Fitz Regal
Invictus Unbowed
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Posted - 2007.02.17 01:53:00 -
[761]
Originally by: Weatherman
Quote: Anyway.. Trouble is what BoB did i think should be deemed exploit.
how is it an exploit to attack someone before they log off? Should corps be able to keep titans always at the ready and just log them off whenever the situation looks bad?
If they dont have a (genuine) aggression timer then yes ofc they should. its a game ffs - people have lives beyond it.
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Shamus Kain
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Posted - 2007.02.17 02:10:00 -
[762]
Originally by: Kozak CCP really has their heads up their asses to allow a Titan to get destroyed like this. Very poor show again CCP.
Your right. The real way to kill a titan is to get 600 people in a system, crash it for 3 hours straight, and then kill the titan with 600 in 'local' and about 50 active ships logged in and responsive from both sides.
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A Ma
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.02.17 02:14:00 -
[763]
D2's Titan, now IAC's Mothership, when will this carnage end ????
Carnage - Nyx - At least I have an opinion .... |
Kylania
Gallente Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.17 02:15:00 -
[764]
Originally by: Weatherman
Quote: Anyway.. Trouble is what BoB did i think should be deemed exploit.
how is it an exploit to attack someone before they log off? Should corps be able to keep titans always at the ready and just log them off whenever the situation looks bad?
No one "attacked" him, a corp mate and gang mate hit him with friendly fire in order to abuse a game mechanic in order to allow BoB to kill a logged off titan, again. That's cheesy at best even though it might not technically be an "exploit". I'm quite sure that CCP didn't intended the ability to fire on corp mates as the method of killing a titan.
Having a spy that close to a titan was genious on BoBs part. Had they waited till a fleet was somewhere and popped a cyno to fly in BoB's fleet, that would have been ballsy and well done. Had the spy been called main cyno for the titan and snuck off to a different area then called it safe and had the titan jump into a BoB camp, that too would have been class.
But exploiting friendly fire to get an aggro timer so they could risk free kill a logged off titan? That's pure lame on BoB's part. While it might be a valid kill, it was way low class of BoB to resort to that kind of thing to kill another titan. -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap | How to Build from a BPO |
Kay Han
Caldari Stardust Heavy Industries Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.17 02:25:00 -
[765]
Edited by: Kay Han on 17/02/2007 02:22:21 from what i heared.
Lucentis (DigitalCommunist) smartbombed the titan or shot at him, when WOTAN was about to log off to get an aggrotimer.
Dunno if WOTAN already closed the game or not.
if this kill is legit or not, its not my decision.
Seconds after the titan was killed, a ccp employee logged into yz- and posted bull**** in local. Tinfoil any1?
but if CCP want to see EvE going this way, with all this Crap happening, iŠm sure they can rename the game to BoB online.
*all opinions stated in the post above are my own and do NOT represent my alliance or Corp* ___________________________________________ A wise man said once: 'Violence is the escape of the mentaly poor guys.'
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Han Horensii
Res Publica R i s e
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Posted - 2007.02.17 02:28:00 -
[766]
Mmmm i just say shame on guys that blame Bob now that we know how exactly this happened. And ultimate shame on those who blame CCP, guys you'b better stop playing rather than trolling like that.
This was a brilliant move BoB, very smart one !!
Happy to be on their side...
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DiuxDium
Casting Shadows
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Posted - 2007.02.17 02:30:00 -
[767]
Originally by: Kay Han Edited by: Kay Han on 17/02/2007 02:22:21 from what i heared.
Lucentis (DigitalCommunist) smartbombed the titan or shot at him, when WOTAN was about to log off to get an aggrotimer.
Dunno if WOTAN already closed the game or not.
if this kill is legit or not, its not my decision.
Seconds after the titan was killed, a ccp employee logged into yz- and posted bull**** in local. Tinfoil any1?
but if CCP want to see EvE going this way, with all this Crap happening, iŠm sure they can rename the game to BoB online.
*all opinions stated in the post above are my own and do NOT represent my alliance or Corp*
you should wipe the tears out of your eyes if you're going to have a sig like that.
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Han Horensii
Res Publica R i s e
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Posted - 2007.02.17 02:33:00 -
[768]
Originally by: Sorja If the the screenshot is legit, why would the cov ops pilot fire his smartbomb if he wasn't 100% sure Wotank was not in front of his keyboard anymore?
Whether it was genuine infiltration or a bought character, having a 'spy' able to be in the same gang as the flagship of D2 was HIGHLY valuable. Firing his smartbomb and being noticed would have resulted in his immediate removal from his corp/alliance and BoB would have lost a master piece.
So I'm convinced he only fired his smartie when he was sure the Titan was not under pilot control anymore.
Whatever, this is clearly abusing game mechanics and should result in the ship replacement. BoB don't need underhanded tactics to win, do they?
erm, if you turn off damage shown and if the bob spy used a micro smart bomb as it is now know, seriously, even if the titan pilot was online he would NEVER have noticed that on its hp status. Man you do know what is a titan hp??????
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Kay Han
Caldari Stardust Heavy Industries Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.17 02:34:00 -
[769]
Edited by: Kay Han on 17/02/2007 02:30:52
Originally by: DiuxDium
you should wipe the tears out of your eyes if you're going to have a sig like that.
i donŠt cry.
after all a titan is only a ship. and ships can be replaced POINT.
ItŠs the circumstances. ItŠs simply fact that bob acnŠt kill a titan in a fair fight.
Sure it was a briliant move. perfectly planned. and we konw that it worked out Perfect.
But maybe someday bob grow some balls and they will make a real titan kill. ___________________________________________ A wise man said once: 'Violence is the escape of the mentaly poor guys.'
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Fenderson
OLE Mining Corp Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.02.17 02:40:00 -
[770]
the game mechanics that allow bob to kill a titan in that way are no more "dodgy" or "exploity" than the game mechanics that allow titans to log off safely.
you should be glad that they even allow titans do disappear in space when the pilot logs without agro timer. in my opinion, titan pilots should be forced to store their precious titan in a POS when they are offline so that they are voulnerable at all times. isnt that the whole point of disallowing them from docking at stations?
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Vesspasiano
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Posted - 2007.02.17 02:46:00 -
[771]
Originally by: Kylania
But exploiting friendly fire to get an aggro timer so they could risk free kill a logged off titan? That's pure lame on BoB's part. While it might be a valid kill, it was way low class of BoB to resort to that kind of thing to kill another titan.
100% agree
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.02.17 02:48:00 -
[772]
Originally by: Vesspasiano
Originally by: Kylania
But exploiting friendly fire to get an aggro timer so they could risk free kill a logged off titan? That's pure lame on BoB's part. While it might be a valid kill, it was way low class of BoB to resort to that kind of thing to kill another titan.
100% agree
Same, its grounds to wipe the alliance off the map and run the leaders form EVE. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
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NightmareX
Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.17 03:02:00 -
[773]
Originally by: Vesspasiano
Originally by: Kylania
But exploiting friendly fire to get an aggro timer so they could risk free kill a logged off titan? That's pure lame on BoB's part. While it might be a valid kill, it was way low class of BoB to resort to that kind of thing to kill another titan.
100% agree
200% agree on that
Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred |
DiuxDium
Casting Shadows
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Posted - 2007.02.17 03:14:00 -
[774]
Edited by: DiuxDium on 17/02/2007 03:10:56
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Originally by: Vesspasiano
Originally by: Kylania
But exploiting friendly fire to get an aggro timer so they could risk free kill a logged off titan? That's pure lame on BoB's part. While it might be a valid kill, it was way low class of BoB to resort to that kind of thing to kill another titan.
100% agree
Same, its grounds to wipe the alliance off the map and run the leaders form EVE.
You'd achieve quicker if you spent less time on the forums.
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Shuriken Ertai
Princeps Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.17 03:17:00 -
[775]
The pvp timer was meant to stop people from logging in combat, not to force a pilot to stay in space forever.
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Z33ro
Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.17 03:37:00 -
[776]
Originally by: Vesspasiano
Originally by: Kylania
But exploiting friendly fire to get an aggro timer so they could risk free kill a logged off titan? That's pure lame on BoB's part. While it might be a valid kill, it was way low class of BoB to resort to that kind of thing to kill another titan.
100% agree
Interesting, they killed D2 titan using their brains, I dont understand why u should sacrifice tons of ships to kill a titan when u can kill it in a more effic. way? I'm not sure if anyone of u here can think of this plan of killing a titan or even more to realise this plan. You should be able to analize the situation, the changes and so on, it's not that easy as you guys think. Well to play a massive online game is not only to pew pew, you also have to THINK, like a strategy, its not only to lock and f1-f8. You call it dirty and non-valid? well, show me a war (both eve and rl) that is PURE and so-called VALID? Btw, I dont think to seat, create tons of alts and spam anti-BoB propagandas is a good idea, eve is a game, so take it as a game pals, well D2 lose the titan, i'm very sorry for that, I know its a lot of hard works but that's already the past, you cannot bring it back by seating here and crying, swearing or watsoever. Take it as a good lesson not to be repeated anymore in the future, keep playing guys, too much of smacking in forum is not the best way to show the power, u better SHOW it ingame There are always 2 periods: rise and fall, fall and rise - so never give up!
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Princess Aricia
Gallente Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.17 03:46:00 -
[777]
Originally by: Vesspasiano
Originally by: Kylania
But exploiting friendly fire to get an aggro timer so they could risk free kill a logged off titan? That's pure lame on BoB's part. While it might be a valid kill, it was way low class of BoB to resort to that kind of thing to kill another titan.
100% agree
Can BoB do anything that is not pure lame these days? All I see is cheating from those guys... And it's sad to see that GM's back them up.
I know spying is a part of the game... It's still lame...
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Angeles
Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.02.17 03:52:00 -
[778]
Edited by: Angeles on 17/02/2007 03:50:19 well bob you still amaze me with your tactics that has less balls than a football match, why didnt you aggro him while he was still online? your spy has been unveiled now what difference would it have made, you could have atleast given it a proper fight instead of stabbing someone in the back. who does that? honestly. lame
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BobGhengisKhan
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.02.17 03:56:00 -
[779]
Originally by: HankMurphy Edited by: HankMurphy on 17/02/2007 01:17:37
Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich
Originally by: Rangar This was the 3rd (if you count the unfinished also) titan in the game lost due to cheat/exploit/bug. Seems to be the only way, how titans are killed in EVE.
And a GM congratulating BoB in local for killing a titan due to such a lame tactics shows, that CCP has not the slightest clue, that the game is going downhill very fast.
Maybe its going downhill, because of all your conspiracy theories and whine whine whine.
QFFT, i've never seen anything so PATHETIC as these last few days of whining in almost 3 years of eve. Its one thing to smack a bit, be a little arrogent/cocky, but for gods sakes, if they would just listen to themselves before they posted...... christ, if its THAT BAD in your eye's guys, go play WoW!
The coalition, or bandwagon, or whatever really showing what they made of on the forums, thats for sure.
Again, quoted for emphasis. Welcome to Tards Online.
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bulabuba
Gallente Klima Galactic
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Posted - 2007.02.17 03:58:00 -
[780]
Originally by: Z33ro
Interesting, they killed D2 titan using their brains, I dont understand why u should sacrifice tons of ships to kill a titan when u can kill it in a more effic. way?
Nobody has quarrel with them using their brains. The quarrel is with them getting the kill based on exploiting the game mechanics, insted of in a straight-up fight within the game. We should win or lose in the game, not by manipulating how the game is implemented to get an advantage.
Frankly, it's really dumb of them to pull something like this right now. Sentiments against them are already incredibly high. This is just adding fuel to the fire. The cheap titan kill wasn't worth it, IMO. -----------------------------------------------
Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No.
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Ivan Kirilenkov
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.02.17 04:14:00 -
[781]
Thread cleaned for alt-posts and trolling. Please, stay on the issue, don't throw around allegations of cheating; petition them instead.
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Skeltek
Caldari Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.17 04:14:00 -
[782]
Edited by: Skeltek on 17/02/2007 04:10:49 deleted by poster
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Shaala
Caldari Singularity Services
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Posted - 2007.02.17 04:16:00 -
[783]
So if the picture with the Titan getting aggroed by a micro smartbomb(to prevent almost ANY possibility of detecting the aggro) is no fake, the kill was achieved by grief play, like it is clearly written in the EULA.
Like we all know, game mechanics are meant to form a framework of rules; to enable us to play the game like it was meant to. But as we all know, it is impossible to cover all possible cases since coding and serverperformance deny a too complicated gamedesign in favor of performance.
-cause and effect- are not always the same.
I would like to tell you a story I once experienced myself: Unprepared I was once attacked in lowsec. I managed to shoot the enemy Raven deep into structure. Since I had partialy fitted smartbombs, the enemy feared podding. Just before his ship was blown up, he ejected and warped his implants to safety. I stoped shooting and was happy to see his severly damaged Raven still alive. I flew my own ship to my POS and returned to pick up his ship, since I considered it to be my hardly earned battleloot.
When I entered his ship, my agressors criminal flag infected me. I was shot by the jumpgate sentries and lost the Raven which I salvaged from my agressor. (ok, so far, I thought: ohh, apparently the ship was flagged too, not only the enemy pilot). I returned to my POS, entered my own ship which was then also blown to pieces 10 minutes later by the jumpgateŠs sentries.
Even though the case is a few years old and already fixed, it clearly shows that designing gamemechanics can and never will be able to cover all situations you encounter.
But back to topic now: The aggression timer is meant to prevent a pilot escaping destruction when having engaged in battle. Agressing the TitanŠs pilot with a microsmartbomb by one of his gangmates without the pilot even being able to notice it should not be considered an agressive engagement/battle. It seems absolutely clear to me that absolutely intentional game mechanics were abused in a way they were not meant to for achieving something that cannot be reached by playing the game like it was meant to.(see terms of agreement/Eula/Terms of bla)
What else is on my mind now...hmm? Well, IŠd say I have many times argued against D2/BoB at least as many times as I have argued in their favor, but lately I started to question many things.
CCP officialy announces, that ASCN were the first to build a Titan ever, thus all efforts to keep it a mystery of wether otherŠs maybe already had one or not were in vain. CCP has had officialy proclaimed, that no other alliance has a Titan yet, which in my opinion was severe influenting of ingame politics.
BoB kills a Titan under mysterious circumstances: CCP employee immediately logs into the system, confirms the loss of the Titan for every alliance to be seen. Not only did he officialy inform everybody about a decrease in D2s military power, but he also managed to gratulate BoB on the kill, raising their morale. He might has as well said: "Keep on the good work.", "Well done" or maybe even "our respect/fondness to you".
I could write much more and many things go through my mind after reading all of this, but I must try to make it short in order to not falsify the content which is important to me.
In my opinion, CCP or their employees should quit ANY interaction with ingame politics or gameplay.(remember the event when "Gurista Dreadnoughs" attacked G/IRON-POSs, forcing them to redistribute their efforts from a mulitple-weeks-large-scale-war towards defending themselfes somewhere totaly different? that cost them their victory against TCF(not sure who that was), decreased morale and when a week later BoB attacked EC, they had even more problems with gangnumbers)
I refuse to spend days or weeks to be up to date with game mechanics. And imho, everybody should understand, that gamemechanics can never be perfect. If I was in an alliance/corp that is considering grief play valid, because it is
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Shaala
Caldari Singularity Services
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Posted - 2007.02.17 04:24:00 -
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possible with the current game mechanics, I would really ask myself, wether I wanted to play with and support such players.
We are all here to have fun and enjoy a game. The developers try to code the game as good as they can to reduce possibility of grief play. I do not want to call it a design flaw, it is simply sometimes not realized that certain rules of gamemechanics can be used in different ways than they are meant to.
Considering usual gameplay, the given gamemechanics are totaly sufficient: nobody would ever infiltrate and use a spy to aggro a frig/BS to get a free kill. In normal engagements the rules work fine and like intended: they prevent someone to escape destruction in engagement using a loggoff.
The D2 Titan was never engaged in a combat situation nor was it ever possible for the pilot to be aware of having fallen victim to a design flaw in gamemechanics. It is not the duty of the player to ensure that the coding of the game is apparent and working like expected. All of us simply wan to play a game thatŠs fun, and not waste half a lifetime learning and considering all aspects of complicated game mechanics.
kindest of regards, Shaala
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Athena Rivera
Minmatar Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.17 04:25:00 -
[785]
Edited by: Athena Rivera on 17/02/2007 04:23:56 The Band of Brothers can stamp 2 stripes on their titans for killing off another titan. One was ASCN's Avatar and this one being D2's Erebus. I would like to see the video of that engagement once it is released to the public. All in all, good fight to BoB and to D2. The war isn't over because of a titan destroyed, the real victor is yet to be decided in the coming weeks.
Only then will history repeat itself or will it change and then become a part of history. Only time will tell and the clock is still ticking. As SirMolle would put it: Tick... Tock... "A life that continues while your own will isn't reflected anywhere in it is nothing but pain." |
Allantia
FW Inc Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2007.02.17 04:49:00 -
[786]
Edited by: Allantia on 17/02/2007 04:52:36
Originally by: Gnulpie Edited by: Gnulpie on 16/02/2007 20:19:38 I guess that this can be resolved in a time not too long.
CCP has logs and they show the type of aggro when you log out, for example if it is npc aggro or what else not.
So this shouldn't take too long to sort out.
Edit: spelling level 0
Actually, no. I petitioned a wreck-sploit loss a few weeks and was told by the GM that the logs do not contain information which can confirm that you haven't been involved in PvP before logoff - petition denied. So unless that GM was lieing or incompetent, or something else was involved (or CCP is just more lenient in replacing highly visible losses suffered by major alliances), I'd say D2 is SOL.
Edit: Anyway, helps to read the last 5 pages of a thread before wasting time posting.
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Munch
InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.17 05:15:00 -
[787]
Originally by: Athena Rivera Edited by: Athena Rivera on 17/02/2007 04:23:56 The Band of Brothers can stamp 2 stripes on their titans for killing off another titan. One was ASCN's Avatar and this one being D2's Erebus. I would like to see the video of that engagement once it is released to the public. All in all, good fight to BoB and to D2. The war isn't over because of a titan destroyed, the real victor is yet to be decided in the coming weeks.
Only then will history repeat itself or will it change and then become a part of history. Only time will tell and the clock is still ticking. As SirMolle would put it: Tick... Tock...
Another Bob edition broken record. Have you even read this thread and know what happened? Because i can assure you there was no fight, titan logged off without any combat, or knowledge of aggression. Stop saying gf Bob because there was nothing good about something so lame.
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Ctharth
M'8'S
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Posted - 2007.02.17 07:18:00 -
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good job bob. regardles of what anyone says.
And all you anti bob extremists out there. I have seen there has been a case of cheating but that doesnt necessarily mean bob cheated.. does it. Isnt blaming the entire alliance sort of like blaming a country for the wrong doings of one person and wanting prime ministers excuse??? This in real life could be things like printing pictures another group wouldnt approve up and then the group attacks the country instead of the person.
to sum it up... stop the flag burning on the msg boards jump in your ships and put up a figth in game instead!
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SwitchBl4d3
Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.17 07:21:00 -
[789]
dont like the whole only way to kill a titan is if the player if offline.
BOB should all go PVE if they dont like player interaction
Originally by: Stavros BUNGLE IN JUNGLE? J tHX OMG YEAH CHICKEN WINGS K? LOLLER SKATESWIHT LUBE K?
MIUOINKEYT!!!
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Scius
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.02.17 07:29:00 -
[790]
'people who poke fires with sticks get burnt fingers'
grow up, stop moaning & fight, you wanted this so get on with it, BOB & Co wont roll over and die just because you say so on the forums. GG BOB, hope to see more.
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jatkot
Caldari S-44 Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.02.17 07:32:00 -
[791]
Originally by: Stelteck No need to all these posts as we do not have the interesting information.
There is only 3 case possibles.
- The titan was destroyed by BOB and that's all. In this case good job BOB.
- The titan was destroyed because of a bug. Then the titan shall be given back.
- The titan was destroyed because of the exploitation by bob of an exploit. In this case the titan shall be given back and all bob account involved banned.
Now it is CCP work to investigate and discover what's happened.
Other posts are useless..
Stelteck.
Not all accounts. Then there's no bob left, only builders. There should be an investigation and let those who was boss/fleet-commander the blame for it. Couse the boss has always the responsibility over the gang. And they often has to take the biggest fall.
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Ctharth
M'8'S
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Posted - 2007.02.17 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: jatkot
Originally by: Stelteck No need to all these posts as we do not have the interesting Not all accounts. Then there's no bob left, only builders. There should be an investigation and let those who was boss/fleet-commander the blame for it. Couse the boss has always the responsibility over the gang. And they often has to take the biggest fall.
So the boss always has the responsibility. so I take it if you where working some where as a teamleader. and one guy in the team killed another you where to blame?
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Edde Bebbi
Amarr The Griffin
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Posted - 2007.02.17 07:57:00 -
[793]
Once again for the hard-of-thinking.
It is an INTENDED game mechanic that if you are aggrod, you have an aggro timer if you log.
It is an INTENDED game mechanic that smartbombs can be used to aggro people
It is an INTENDED game mechanic that friendly alliance mates can backstab and attack and even kill you.
It is an INTENDED game mechanic THEREFORE that friendlies can give you a PvP timer.
Therefore there is no exploit.
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Pinpisa Jormao
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Posted - 2007.02.17 08:09:00 -
[794]
Edited by: Pinpisa Jormao on 17/02/2007 08:06:06 After the new evidence it seems to be legit kill considering the mechanics, HOWEVER
The aggro timer IS MEANT TO BE A WAY TO MAKE IT HARDER FOR YOU TO RUN FROM HOSTILES - NOT FRIENDLIES, esp gang mates! Also if Damage Messages are off which they often are due to inefficient Python coding there's little in the way of indication of smartbomb aggro.
I'd like to congratulate BoB for genious use of mechanics and CCP for recognizing that creative mechanics and meta gaming is where EVE shines, not the actually laggy fleet combat using absurdly slow python based code which is no way suitable for anything but turn based game user interfaces.
(unrelated to this kill)
I also believe it is about time to make logging off at POS shields not warp you around because we've seen that it's possible that your ship will warp off and get sucked into nearby hostile POS. That wouldn't kill a Titan but has killed countless battleships logged off at friendly POSs recently.
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Edde Bebbi
Amarr The Griffin
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Posted - 2007.02.17 08:10:00 -
[795]
Edited by: Edde Bebbi on 17/02/2007 08:06:59
Originally by: Pinpisa Jormao After the new evidence it seems to be legit kill considering the mechanics, HOWEVER
The aggro timer IS MEANT TO BE A WAY TO MAKE IT HARDER FOR YOU TO RUN FROM HOSTILES - NOT FRIENDLIES, esp gang mates! Also if Damage Messages are off which they often there's little in the way of indication of smartbomb aggro.
I'd like to congratulate BoB for genious use of mechanics and CCP for recognizing that creative mechanics and meta gaming is where EVE shines, not the actually laggy fleet combat using absurdly slow python based code which is no way suitable for anything but turn based game user interfaces.
(unrelated to this kill)
I also believe it is about time to make logging off at POS shields not warp you around because we've seen that it's possible that your ship will warp off and get sucked into nearby hostile POS. That wouldn't kill a Titan but has killed countless battleships logged off at friendly POSs recently.
Since spying and corp theft are clearly allowed, nay, encouraged by CCP, please explain why being in the same alliance as someone makes them 'friendly'? The whole point is he wasnt friendly, he was hostile, noone in D2 had realised yet.
Regarding the POS thing I agree.
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NightmareX
Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.17 08:16:00 -
[796]
Originally by: Edde Bebbi Edited by: Edde Bebbi on 17/02/2007 08:06:59
Originally by: Pinpisa Jormao After the new evidence it seems to be legit kill considering the mechanics, HOWEVER
The aggro timer IS MEANT TO BE A WAY TO MAKE IT HARDER FOR YOU TO RUN FROM HOSTILES - NOT FRIENDLIES, esp gang mates! Also if Damage Messages are off which they often there's little in the way of indication of smartbomb aggro.
I'd like to congratulate BoB for genious use of mechanics and CCP for recognizing that creative mechanics and meta gaming is where EVE shines, not the actually laggy fleet combat using absurdly slow python based code which is no way suitable for anything but turn based game user interfaces.
(unrelated to this kill)
I also believe it is about time to make logging off at POS shields not warp you around because we've seen that it's possible that your ship will warp off and get sucked into nearby hostile POS. That wouldn't kill a Titan but has killed countless battleships logged off at friendly POSs recently.
Since spying and corp theft are clearly allowed, nay, encouraged by CCP, please explain why being in the same alliance as someone makes them 'friendly'? The whole point is he wasnt friendly, he was hostile, noone in D2 had realised yet.
Regarding the POS thing I agree.
Even when the person behind the spy is hostile, you are still in the same corp / alliance as the Titan pilot, so that doesn't count.
Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred |
Ctharth
M'8'S
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Posted - 2007.02.17 08:19:00 -
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Why should game mechanics define friendlies and enemies when spies within corps are so openly accepted?
That would rule out the option of placing hostile spies and IŠm not sure thats what ccp wants. wouldnt that be too easy?
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Edde Bebbi
Amarr The Griffin
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Posted - 2007.02.17 08:19:00 -
[798]
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Edde Bebbi Edited by: Edde Bebbi on 17/02/2007 08:06:59
Originally by: Pinpisa Jormao After the new evidence it seems to be legit kill considering the mechanics, HOWEVER
The aggro timer IS MEANT TO BE A WAY TO MAKE IT HARDER FOR YOU TO RUN FROM HOSTILES - NOT FRIENDLIES, esp gang mates! Also if Damage Messages are off which they often there's little in the way of indication of smartbomb aggro.
I'd like to congratulate BoB for genious use of mechanics and CCP for recognizing that creative mechanics and meta gaming is where EVE shines, not the actually laggy fleet combat using absurdly slow python based code which is no way suitable for anything but turn based game user interfaces.
(unrelated to this kill)
I also believe it is about time to make logging off at POS shields not warp you around because we've seen that it's possible that your ship will warp off and get sucked into nearby hostile POS. That wouldn't kill a Titan but has killed countless battleships logged off at friendly POSs recently.
Since spying and corp theft are clearly allowed, nay, encouraged by CCP, please explain why being in the same alliance as someone makes them 'friendly'? The whole point is he wasnt friendly, he was hostile, noone in D2 had realised yet.
Regarding the POS thing I agree.
Even when the person behind the spy is hostile, you are still in the same corp / alliance as the Titan pilot, so that doesn't count.
I am going to say this again
WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT BEING AGGRESSIVE TO AN ALLIANCE MATE = NO AGGRESSION TIMER?
You've just made this up!
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Great Guardian
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.02.17 08:24:00 -
[799]
Edited by: Great Guardian on 17/02/2007 08:20:58 Clear exploit. I have no doubts how BoD... I mean CCP will handle this.
" I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Hah! Attack ships on fire, off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams, glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments.... will |
Edde Bebbi
Amarr The Griffin
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Posted - 2007.02.17 08:34:00 -
[800]
Originally by: Great Guardian Edited by: Great Guardian on 17/02/2007 08:20:58 Clear exploit. I have no doubts how BoD... I mean CCP will handle this.
reposting the same thing with 10 different noob corp alts makes it no more true. Everything that happened is intended game mechanics.
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Jenny73
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.17 08:35:00 -
[801]
By the look of it; You alliance ppl are not the smartest in the drawer...?
1 pilot (D2 Titan pilot) turn off so much grafix-stuff he cant see if hes getting aggroed, and its another guys fault (BoB?) becouse they kill him?
Ooooook...
And since when did killing "logofskis" become bad?
Plz think, ok? Its not that hard.
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Great Guardian
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.02.17 08:36:00 -
[802]
Edited by: Great Guardian on 17/02/2007 08:33:07
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Great Guardian Edited by: Great Guardian on 17/02/2007 08:20:58 Clear exploit. I have no doubts how BoD... I mean CCP will handle this.
reposting the same thing with 10 different noob corp alts makes it no more true. Everything that happened is intended game mechanics.
This is my main... Playing EVE for almost 2 years...
" I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Hah! Attack ships on fire, off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams, glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments.... will |
Pinpisa Jormao
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Posted - 2007.02.17 08:38:00 -
[803]
The backstabbing part is OK, it's more the issue of the only indication of aggro being to check your logs OUT OF GAME (CAPTURE/GAMELOGS) if you had effects, sounds and messages turned of due to lag.
I personally play it all off except damage messages which I turn off for fleet battles. But having to browse log files out of game before logging off to see aggro when dealing with hostile fleet situations where you're likely to turn these things off is something I feel may warrant a change.
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Edde Bebbi
Amarr The Griffin
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Posted - 2007.02.17 08:41:00 -
[804]
Originally by: Great Guardian Edited by: Great Guardian on 17/02/2007 08:33:07
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Great Guardian Edited by: Great Guardian on 17/02/2007 08:20:58 Clear exploit. I have no doubts how BoD... I mean CCP will handle this.
reposting the same thing with 10 different noob corp alts makes it no more true. Everything that happened is intended game mechanics.
This is my main... Playing EVE for almost 2 years...
Ok then: Its not an exploit because PvP timer is an intended mechanic of the game. It may be cheap, it may be cowardly (although I do not think so), but it is not an exploit: Eve mechanics functioned EXACTLY as intended.
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Edde Bebbi
Amarr The Griffin
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Posted - 2007.02.17 08:42:00 -
[805]
Originally by: Pinpisa Jormao The backstabbing part is OK, it's more the issue of the only indication of aggro being to check your logs OUT OF GAME (CAPTURE/GAMELOGS) if you had effects, sounds and messages turned of due to lag.
I personally play it all off except damage messages which I turn off for fleet battles. But having to browse log files out of game before logging off to see aggro when dealing with hostile fleet situations where you're likely to turn these things off is something I feel may warrant a change.
Read what your writing. Whats next? Me dying not being fair because I have chosen to wear a blindfold to a Fleet engagement?
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Great Guardian
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.02.17 08:48:00 -
[806]
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Great Guardian Edited by: Great Guardian on 17/02/2007 08:33:07
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Great Guardian Edited by: Great Guardian on 17/02/2007 08:20:58 Clear exploit. I have no doubts how BoD... I mean CCP will handle this.
reposting the same thing with 10 different noob corp alts makes it no more true. Everything that happened is intended game mechanics.
This is my main... Playing EVE for almost 2 years...
Ok then: Its not an exploit because PvP timer is an intended mechanic of the game. It may be cheap, it may be cowardly (although I do not think so), but it is not an exploit: Eve mechanics functioned EXACTLY as intended.
I disagree with you. Could you allow that? Anyway after BoD scandal I cancelled my account. This game is going down fast with this entire thing happening. If this TITAN kill was really INTENDED game mechanics, then after JULY I will never look back.
" I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Hah! Attack ships on fire, off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams, glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments.... will |
Hedeon Mishenka
Caldari Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.17 08:53:00 -
[807]
Sorry, had wrong char...
D2, may you replace this Titan soon, and get many, many, many more BoB kills with it. .: You laugh because I'm different :: I laugh because you're all the same :.
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Nedolzna Ovcica
Mindstar Brigade
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Posted - 2007.02.17 08:58:00 -
[808]
Originally by: Great Guardian
I disagree with you. Could you allow that? Anyway after BoD scandal I cancelled my account. This game is going down fast with this entire thing happening. If this TITAN kill was really INTENDED game mechanics, then after JULY I will never look back.
i cannot resist. can i have your stuff please?
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Pinpisa Jormao
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Posted - 2007.02.17 09:05:00 -
[809]
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Pinpisa Jormao The backstabbing part is OK, it's more the issue of the only indication of aggro being to check your logs OUT OF GAME (CAPTURE/GAMELOGS) if you had effects, sounds and messages turned of due to lag.
I personally play it all off except damage messages which I turn off for fleet battles. But having to browse log files out of game before logging off to see aggro when dealing with hostile fleet situations where you're likely to turn these things off is something I feel may warrant a change.
Read what your writing. Whats next? Me dying not being fair because I have chosen to wear a blindfold to a Fleet engagement?
Large fleet battles are becoming more common and it's a choice of being lagged to death or minimizing the lag. In light of the recent events and if piloting a Titan I'd choose not to "wear a blindfold".
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Edde Bebbi
Amarr The Griffin
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Posted - 2007.02.17 09:07:00 -
[810]
Originally by: Pinpisa Jormao
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Pinpisa Jormao The backstabbing part is OK, it's more the issue of the only indication of aggro being to check your logs OUT OF GAME (CAPTURE/GAMELOGS) if you had effects, sounds and messages turned of due to lag.
I personally play it all off except damage messages which I turn off for fleet battles. But having to browse log files out of game before logging off to see aggro when dealing with hostile fleet situations where you're likely to turn these things off is something I feel may warrant a change.
Read what your writing. Whats next? Me dying not being fair because I have chosen to wear a blindfold to a Fleet engagement?
Large fleet battles are becoming more common and it's a choice of being lagged to death or minimizing the lag. In light of the recent events and if piloting a Titan I'd choose not to "wear a blindfold".
Fair enough, but again, its the individuals choice, and you cant penalise the agressors because the defenders made a stupid decision
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Brigitte
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Posted - 2007.02.17 09:32:00 -
[811]
lol stavros... ebay?
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Juliter
Minmatar Princeps Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.17 09:54:00 -
[812]
please, dont give titants to carebears
grats BoB u killed the first and the second.
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Puppe 1
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Posted - 2007.02.17 10:18:00 -
[813]
YES BOB you killed our Titan. And BOB think our moral is bad now. No but thx for this now our moral is better than before and we are now more like to kill from you. BOB? there is no BOBO in EVE
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.17 10:21:00 -
[814]
I'm not going to comment on the lameness or otherwise of the tactics involved or the use of spies in a game with no in game way to counter it. But this was jaw-dropping in its inventivness. This is the closest EVE can come to the age old practice of assassinating an enemy leader.
I LOVE this game .. it never ever ceases to amaze me.
Myn
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Alakazam
Bob The Builder Breidablik
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Posted - 2007.02.17 10:27:00 -
[815]
I mostly hold BoB in high regard, always a formidable enemy! Excellent fighting skills, amazingly clever people helping develop this game (no pun intended);
But this titan loss personally makes me sad. Is this how we're supposed to fight? It's different than the first titan kill.
Surely this is not how the aggro timer was intended to work: In my opinion it was to avoid people to log off during combat, not to use it to make people stay online after they log off... In my opinion this was exploiting of how the PvP aggression timer was implemented.
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Local pusher
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Posted - 2007.02.17 10:36:00 -
[816]
I'm afraid now... did i do something wrong because I webbed my freighter so it could warp faster. I'm sure webs weren't put ingame to make people warp faster.
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.17 10:44:00 -
[817]
So people are complaining that BoB used game mechanics to get a kill? Ever had a covert ops hunt down an aggrod pilot for you to warp and kill? It's the same mechanic.
This could have been avoided by just leaving gang, warping to a personal safe, cloaking and 15 mins later logging off. Not really a hard procedure to follow.
As for BoB cheating and all other alliances against them being holy then how about goons and their local portrait client side exploit before revelations, AAA and shooting NPC wrecks to get aggro, RA and the carrier bug to refuel POS's, logonski, logoffski etc etc In fact as for spies our own forums have a spy on them as we had an internal picture of one of Sels post on the forums a couple of days ago. So lets just drop the hypocrisy shall we?
The D2 pilot didn't take measures to cover against spies and bob were set up to take him down that way, simple as that, no cheating or hax involved. Sorry for your loss but that's how it is sometimes.
Anyway have good fights and lots of fun everyone in the weeks to come, this surely is an epic conflict and one I thought we were going to sit out until we got invaded.
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hybridundertaker
Amarr Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.17 10:54:00 -
[818]
Originally by: Hans Roaming So people are complaining that BoB used game mechanics to get a kill? Ever had a covert ops hunt down an aggrod pilot for you to warp and kill? It's the same mechanic.
This could have been avoided by just leaving gang, warping to a personal safe, cloaking and 15 mins later logging off. Not really a hard procedure to follow.
As for BoB cheating and all other alliances against them being holy then how about goons and their local portrait client side exploit before revelations, AAA and shooting NPC wrecks to get aggro, RA and the carrier bug to refuel POS's, logonski, logoffski etc etc In fact as for spies our own forums have a spy on them as we had an internal picture of one of Sels post on the forums a couple of days ago. So lets just drop the hypocrisy shall we?
The D2 pilot didn't take measures to cover against spies and bob were set up to take him down that way, simple as that, no cheating or hax involved. Sorry for your loss but that's how it is sometimes.
Anyway have good fights and lots of fun everyone in the weeks to come, this surely is an epic conflict and one I thought we were going to sit out until we got invaded.
at this point i cant but agree with my former president...
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NightmareX
Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.17 10:59:00 -
[819]
Originally by: Hans Roaming So people are complaining that BoB used game mechanics to get a kill? Ever had a covert ops hunt down an aggrod pilot for you to warp and kill? It's the same mechanic.
No it's not the same mechanics. Because it's another story when a hostile cov ops is going after a ship. This time is about a friendly one that are in the same corp / alliance that aggroed the titan pilot when he didn't know that, or some few secs before he logged off, so BoC could kill the Titan while the pilot was logged off.
It's something different to scan down a hostile ship in a safespot since he's sitting there when he's logged on, and then he can be probed.
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Minigin
Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.17 11:03:00 -
[820]
1) stop posting with alts you all look like your hiding somthing 2) the fact that people are so determined to place spys in other alliances is unbelievably childish. - its a game ffs! 3) if BoB wants to rant about D2 losing their titan after boasting over extended periods... perhaps they should try and kill a titan that is online for once!
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.02.17 11:04:00 -
[821]
Edited by: Roemy Schneider on 17/02/2007 11:01:29 so... after all this cheesy gameplay, what's left for me, the average joe? all ambition to join in on large (expensive) events such as huge fleets/titans/outposts/whatnot is lost when grey zone game play screw over months of labor. these days, pvp seems to be about IPs obtained from TS and/or forums, spys and traitors have become essential, holes in game mechanics are being stretched etcpp. somewhere down the line there's some killing... yay
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Edde Bebbi
Amarr The Griffin
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Posted - 2007.02.17 11:06:00 -
[822]
Originally by: Roemy Schneider Edited by: Roemy Schneider on 17/02/2007 11:01:29 so... after all this cheesy gameplay, what's left for me, the average joe? all ambition to join in on large (expensive) events such as huge fleets/titans/outposts/whatnot is lost when grey zone game play screw over months of labor. these days, pvp seems to be about IPs obtained from TS and/or forums, spys and traitors have become essential, holes in game mechanics are being stretched etcpp. somewhere down the line there's some killing... yay
This is no more or less true about either side
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Guardian Angell
Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.02.17 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Roaming So people are complaining that BoB used game mechanics to get a kill? Ever had a covert ops hunt down an aggrod pilot for you to warp and kill? It's the same mechanic.
This could have been avoided by just leaving gang, warping to a personal safe, cloaking and 15 mins later logging off. Not really a hard procedure to follow.
As for BoB cheating and all other alliances against them being holy then how about goons and their local portrait client side exploit before revelations, AAA and shooting NPC wrecks to get aggro, RA and the carrier bug to refuel POS's, logonski, logoffski etc etc In fact as for spies our own forums have a spy on them as we had an internal picture of one of Sels post on the forums a couple of days ago. So lets just drop the hypocrisy shall we?
The D2 pilot didn't take measures to cover against spies and bob were set up to take him down that way, simple as that, no cheating or hax involved. Sorry for your loss but that's how it is sometimes.
Anyway have good fights and lots of fun everyone in the weeks to come, this surely is an epic conflict and one I thought we were going to sit out until we got invaded.
WOOT, I'm sure that when I'll get a Titan I'll use one of the high slots to install a cloaking device ________________ Assumption is the mother of all ****-ups - Under Siege 2 |
Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.17 11:16:00 -
[824]
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Hans Roaming So people are complaining that BoB used game mechanics to get a kill? Ever had a covert ops hunt down an aggrod pilot for you to warp and kill? It's the same mechanic.
No it's not the same mechanics. Because it's another story when a hostile cov ops is going after a ship. This time is about a friendly one that are in the same corp / alliance that aggroed the titan pilot when he didn't know that, or some few secs before he logged off, so BoC could kill the Titan while the pilot was logged off.
It's something different to scan down a hostile ship in a safespot since he's sitting there when he's logged on, and then he can be probed.
Now if I remember you yourself have experienced that one can be shot by corp mates. Aggro is aggro as you are not immune from taking damage whilst in the same corp as your faction NPCing BS found out whilst in LV. The titan pilot could have known if he didn't turn of damage messages or he could have followed the procedure I had in my other post and been immune from this attack. Now if CA had used the same tactic against an LV Titan would you be protesting as loud?
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Kanthras
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Posted - 2007.02.17 11:28:00 -
[825]
Nice kill BoB. At least you didn't jump in a 1000 man fleet. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected]) |
TechnoMag
Minmatar Delta team Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.17 12:47:00 -
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nice kill bob and legit kill otherwise. About spy tactic i see lots of people blaiming that when they already use this tactic againts others. I saw lots of time our enemy's shoting the primary secondary target caller for example, and those target callers was designed few minutes before the fight to start and they didnt choosed from leaders.
D2 titan kill was legit... titan out from pos... covert ops with smartbomb agro him...he logged with agro he was ambushed end of story. Titan its an expensive ship and u must been very careful when u log off. The best thing its to jump in a POS inside shields and log off after 15min.
Bringing 1000+ people to deliberatly lag the system and crash the nodes can be named exploit too in this case when we talking about game mechanics and game engine. But LV pass already over this and will continue to fight even in these conditions. We lost 13 dreads due in same conditions with login trap masively and no one says it was fair. Dont tell me swarm tactics are much fair than using spy tactics or using agro timer tactics when everyone know eve-server can hardly sustain at most 100 vs 100 fight.
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Sigmorhair
Gallente Eisenmetal
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Posted - 2007.02.17 12:52:00 -
[827]
Originally by: Great Guardian
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Great Guardian Edited by: Great Guardian on 17/02/2007 08:33:07
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Great Guardian Edited by: Great Guardian on 17/02/2007 08:20:58 Clear exploit. I have no doubts how BoD... I mean CCP will handle this.
Yep this is where I am at as well. I cancelled but was considering resubbing my accounts when after the final investigation and the appointment of a IA GM.
Sadly it appears that CCP is simply not serious about fixing their problems - and therefore deserve no money from me ever again. reposting the same thing with 10 different noob corp alts makes it no more true. Everything that happened is intended game mechanics.
This is my main... Playing EVE for almost 2 years...
Ok then: Its not an exploit because PvP timer is an intended mechanic of the game. It may be cheap, it may be cowardly (although I do not think so), but it is not an exploit: Eve mechanics functioned EXACTLY as intended.
I disagree with you. Could you allow that? Anyway after BoD scandal I cancelled my account. This game is going down fast with this entire thing happening. If this TITAN kill was really INTENDED game mechanics, then after JULY I will never look back.
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Sigmorhair
Gallente Eisenmetal
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Posted - 2007.02.17 12:54:00 -
[828]
Originally by: Hans Roaming So people are complaining that BoB used game mechanics to get a kill? Ever had a covert ops hunt down an aggrod pilot for you to warp and kill? It's the same mechanic.
This could have been avoided by just leaving gang, warping to a personal safe, cloaking and 15 mins later logging off. Not really a hard procedure to follow.
As for BoB cheating and all other alliances against them being holy then how about goons and their local portrait client side exploit before revelations, AAA and shooting NPC wrecks to get aggro, RA and the carrier bug to refuel POS's, logonski, logoffski etc etc In fact as for spies our own forums have a spy on them as we had an internal picture of one of Sels post on the forums a couple of days ago. So lets just drop the hypocrisy shall we?
The D2 pilot didn't take measures to cover against spies and bob were set up to take him down that way, simple as that, no cheating or hax involved. Sorry for your loss but that's how it is sometimes.
Anyway have good fights and lots of fun everyone in the weeks to come, this surely is an epic conflict and one I thought we were going to sit out until we got invaded.
This post shows why MC is viewed by in large as Scumbag band of cheater alts and cheaters themselves. It is obvious to everyone, including the cheating Bomb and MC and various Bob slave corp members that this is an unintentional exploit of game mechanics - yet we continue to hear excuses and nothing from CCP.
I wonder how white wolf feels about this disgusting behavior.
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Shaala
Caldari Singularity Services
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Posted - 2007.02.17 12:56:00 -
[829]
During normal gameplay the design of game mechanics worked like it should. Anyone involved in an engagement of any kind, will get flagged so he cannot flee the engagement. During normal gameplay noone would ever use a spy or a gangmate to provide a player with a logofftimer with the only purpose of killing him later.
Even if his whole corp would turn against him and beginn shooting him would be legitimate. The damage made by a micro smartbomb on shields is not seeable. Game does not logg anything on damage if you turn ingame damagemessages off. The only chance to realize being aggroed would be the cloaked! agressor blinking red ingame or in the overview. Thus there is ZERO possibility of checking loggoff timer existance at all...
lame D2, their Titan fled a legitimate fight against a covert ops by logging off and was snooped for getting finished off ^^
Why do people believe that the word "exploit" has anything to do with the word "bug" at all? A flaw in game mechanics design is no coding error. That doesnŠt automaticaly make it legitimate as clearly written in the #14 of the rules.
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.17 13:15:00 -
[830]
Originally by: Sigmorhair
Originally by: Hans Roaming
This post shows why MC is viewed by in large as Scumbag band of cheater alts and cheaters themselves. It is obvious to everyone, including the cheating Bomb and MC and various Bob slave corp members that this is an unintentional exploit of game mechanics - yet we continue to hear excuses and nothing from CCP.
I wonder how white wolf feels about this disgusting behavior.
I for one hope they rethinking the merger as CCP has shown no desire to give its loyal paying customer base (which is one of the stated reasons for the merger) any modicum of customer service.
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.17 13:32:00 -
[831]
Originally by: Sigmorhair
Originally by: Hans Roaming So people are complaining that BoB used game mechanics to get a kill? Ever had a covert ops hunt down an aggrod pilot for you to warp and kill? It's the same mechanic.
This could have been avoided by just leaving gang, warping to a personal safe, cloaking and 15 mins later logging off. Not really a hard procedure to follow.
As for BoB cheating and all other alliances against them being holy then how about goons and their local portrait client side exploit before revelations, AAA and shooting NPC wrecks to get aggro, RA and the carrier bug to refuel POS's, logonski, logoffski etc etc In fact as for spies our own forums have a spy on them as we had an internal picture of one of Sels post on the forums a couple of days ago. So lets just drop the hypocrisy shall we?
The D2 pilot didn't take measures to cover against spies and bob were set up to take him down that way, simple as that, no cheating or hax involved. Sorry for your loss but that's how it is sometimes.
Anyway have good fights and lots of fun everyone in the weeks to come, this surely is an epic conflict and one I thought we were going to sit out until we got invaded.
This post shows why MC is viewed by in large as Scumbag band of cheater alts and cheaters themselves. It is obvious to everyone, including the cheating Bomb and MC and various Bob slave corp members that this is an unintentional exploit of game mechanics - yet we continue to hear excuses and nothing from CCP.
I wonder how white wolf feels about this disgusting behavior.
Interesting employment history you have there. How do you feel about a goon member posting an internal MC forum post on the eve-o boards?
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Noel Edmonds
Deal or No Deal
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Posted - 2007.02.17 13:44:00 -
[832]
I find this argument about the titan kill possibly being an exploit absolutely and utterly pathetic. Underhand tactics are used every day in this game by most alliances and to suggest this kill was somehow against the EULA is just sour grapes. It is a huge loss for D2 no doubt about that at all but it manifested from a MISTAKE by the titan pilot, nothing more.
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spoon2
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.17 13:58:00 -
[833]
Edited by: spoon2 on 17/02/2007 14:02:23
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Fitz Regal
Invictus Unbowed
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Posted - 2007.02.17 14:09:00 -
[834]
Seriously what is the point of these posts? Bob fanbois kiss ass (and boy do they, I have never witnessed such amazing sycophancy before anywhere) and bob haters post hate and everyone just becomes more entrenched, bitter and unpleasant as a result.
Actually, nvm, please carry on.
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aethyl
Minmatar Dawnwalkers
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Posted - 2007.02.17 14:14:00 -
[835]
Most games have a way to logoff so you know you're really logged off.
Eve should have this as well. Only change they need is when you try it, it says you can't log now your agressed otherwise you just preceed as normal.
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TechnoMag
Minmatar Delta team Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.17 15:55:00 -
[836]
Originally by: aethyl Most games have a way to logoff so you know you're really logged off.
Eve should have this as well. Only change they need is when you try it, it says you can't log now your agressed otherwise you just preceed as normal.
good point ... i lost few days ago an iteron like that...i was agro at the gate safespoted and forgot about agro timer ... Eve-client should advertize u when u try to log off.... or instead ctrl+q to have a buton log-off. Until than its a legit titan kill and probably was the most valuable spy from the history until now. This must to be a feature ASAP for the next patches. Let be honest every alliance have spy's infiltrated and they r used in many forms. Its another mod to fight and won a battle or a war.
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.02.17 15:59:00 -
[837]
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