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Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:22:00 - [541] Edited by: Gnulpie on 16/02/2007 20:19:38 I guess that this can be resolved in a time not too long. CCP has logs and they show the type of aggro when you log out, for example if it is npc aggro or what else not. So this shouldn't take too long to sort out. Edit: spelling level 0
Popsikle Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:22:00 - [542] Originally by: Kozak On the other hand, if you shoot that person's can, you can keep him in space for 2 hours. I'm sure the titan has many cans littering the battlefield. If the titan pilot killed anything, that created wrecks or cans why are there no titan kills on the d2 kill board for this morning? How can BoB exploit wrecks if the D2 didnt make any wrecks with thier titan....... __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
Jake Noble Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:23:00 - [543] Edited by: Jake Noble on 16/02/2007 20:20:23 Remember guys if you think its fishy CCP setup there new department EXACTLY for these reasons petition and make it clear you think something was up and they will investigate... forum *****ing gets no one anywhere and no closer to the truth. I have no doubt in my mind that bob killed the titan with pure legit tactics so kudos to them, however I know some do not share the same feeling.
Grimeh Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:23:00 - [544] Originally by: Raivi Edited by: Raivi on 16/02/2007 20:17:05 Originally by: Grimeh So how was this wreck created? When the titan killed somebody hours before. (Hypothetically) No kills by the titan since tuesday logged on D2 board..
zepter	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:24:00 - [545] Originally by: Popsikle How can BoB exploit wrecks if the D2 didnt make any wrecks with thier titan....... Read my post.
Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:24:00 - [546] Originally by: Caledric A wreck can be kept alive for days simply by shooting it once every hour or so with a low damage weapon. You don't even have to do damage, just engage it somehow. I've kept a wreck alive for 4 days before doing this. And D2 did kill several folks with the DD so its entirely possible that this method was used. How did you live without the sleep? Or was it power-nap, wakeup, engage wreck, go back to power-nap? [EVE TASK BAR?]
Grimeh Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:26:00 - [547] Edited by: Grimeh on 16/02/2007 20:22:14 Originally by: Pepperami Originally by: Caledric A wreck can be kept alive for days simply by shooting it once every hour or so with a low damage weapon. You don't even have to do damage, just engage it somehow. I've kept a wreck alive for 4 days before doing this. And D2 did kill several folks with the DD so its entirely possible that this method was used. How did you live without the sleep? Or was it power-nap, wakeup, engage wreck, go back to power-nap? dont forget he was shooting it every 3 hour or so using a civilian gatling gun
Popsikle Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:26:00 - [548] Originally by: zepter Originally by: Grimeh So how was this wreck created? It could've been an anchored can too No, thats not the way the exploit works. You cant get aggro from someoen shooting your anchored can. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
Ajaku LiveTech	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:26:00 - [549] I am thinking that it was either the wreck/can exploit. Or it was the passive targeting module exploit, that module gives the pilot it is used on an agro timer, and in 0.0, they would have no clue.
Admentus Cor'vion Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:27:00 - [550] Originally by: Jon Hawkes This moment is so amazing... I just think I may have to have sex with it... Actually, I thought that last moment (hello aeon) was amazing. But in reality, I'd divorce that other moment, marry this one, and have a family of tiny little moments.
Darth Sith Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:27:00 - [551] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Questions that should be answered by CCP: 1. Was the titan killed in under 2 minutes? 2. Was the titan aggroed? 3. If the titan was aggroed? How was it aggroed, and by who? The only way I can see this kill happening is if they: a) managed to probe it and kill it in under 2 minutes (seems unlikely) b) Wreck exploit. c) Whatever system bug or unknown exploit that causes people to stay in space for a very long time with no aggro timer (happened to many of my corpmates in jv1v) d) The titan was somehow aggroed by a friendly pilot and didn't see it. This could've been a spy, or just a retard. But this option seems very unlikely since he was in a pos...(although I hear there is an exploit to lock people in pos that I don't know about). If bob, d2, or ccp would care to answer these questions then I'm sure the community would be placated. If they killed the titan in 2 minutes, then good job. If they somehow managed to aggro the titan without him knowing it via a spy or whatever then also a good job. Both events seem unlikely though. Shamis Incorrect .. one of the patches changed the non-aggro logoff to 30 seconds .. have one of your buddies logoff and see how long they sit in space before they disappear if you don't believe me :)
Popsikle Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:27:00 - [552] Originally by: Slayton Ford It seems odd that you should not expect to be safe logging off in a PoS. Your in a safe spot yet the act of logging puts you in a non-safe spot. A simple fix to this is to allow ships to be anchored. When a ship is anchored, it connot be moved so therefore the emergency warp cannot kick in and move the ship to a non-safe spot. Now its safe to log in a PoS with a agression timer. Logging at a POS is bad... What happens when the POS your att gets popped while your logged out, and a enemy one gets put in its spot.... __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
Knerf Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:27:00 - [553] Originally by: Pika Chu Originally by: Knerf Originally by: Kreul Intentions From this post going forward if you forget the alt rules that apply to this forum, you'll receive an email reminding you of them. Should you continue to troll using BoD/BoC/CCP/GM/DevHacks you will also be reminded that those types of posts will not be tolerated. Thank you. saying "BoD/BoC/CCP/GM/DevHacks" as you put it above is not trolling when it has been confirmed by CCP themselves that cheating actually took place, it is just stating facts and stating facts is not trolling the last time i checked because if it was then you could pretty much delete this enither forum section as all of it could be considered trolling. off that note, i believe that the titan loss is a sham, if it was not destroyed due to dubious tactics (bug exploit, devine intervention) by the attackers then it was lost due to a bug in the game mechanics as the ship should have disappeared after 2 min due to no aggro timer (shooting after logging off not suposto reactivate the timer). CCP cheated by helping BoB, its not like BoB paid t20 or anything to do it, and name calling is trolling and thats exactly what BoD/BoC/CCP/GM/DevHacks is. . if you are naive enough to believe they didnt take any "extra" help in the know that they had a dev on their side then i pitty you, if not you are an alt or have aan app into bob and are trying to forum warrior yourself into getting accepted. i never said bob paid t20 either, and its not name calling when you are calling them by their first name...
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:27:00 - [554] Originally by: Caledric Originally by: Takita Yukida What I do not understand with the wreck exploit theory here is the fact that the titan supposidly sat in a POS for 3 hours. How on earth was there any wreck left to be exploited at all if he did do nothing for 3 hours? being idle -> no wrecks generated -> no wrecks to be exploited somehow there seems to be a slight discrepancy about the wreck theory A wreck can be kept alive for days simply by shooting it once every hour or so with a low damage weapon. You don't even have to do damage, just engage it somehow. I've kept a wreck alive for 4 days before doing this. And D2 did kill several folks with the DD so its entirely possible that this method was used. IIRC that only works with NPC can's/wrecks, and not with player wrecks. With the 13,426 differant ways this could have occured I'm more then willing to sit on the fence and wait and see what exactly happens. For all we know, it could have been as simple as a D2 pilot cleaning up random extra can's that were laying around. I don't think is nieve of me to think that given the events that have taken place, and the proportion of this kill the GM's will be looking at this very closely to see what took place.
Popsikle Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:35:00 - [555] Originally by: Gregarius IMHO: The player community needs a clear statement from CCP stating that it was a clear and fair fight and nothing fishy has happend. By supplying data and log of all events and parties involved and a clear indication of the used game-mechanics that made this happen would clear all the smoke and fog around this event. For the sake of all the countless players, who are not trolling and forum fighting and just want to play EVE as it was meant to be, please make the petition a public and a closed topic in order noone only the relevant and public oppinions would be readable. Thank you in advance for your kind response. Gregarius WOT IMO, if it was a valid tactic that got the kill, why should CCP tell everyone in the world about how BoB kills titans... Thats like giving away the plans for a nuke, it jut wouldnt be right for them to say, "Hey listen, they got the kill legit, and here is exactly how they did it, so everyone else can do it too!" What would be the point of thinking in eve if everytime you out thunk someone CCP came and told everyone how you did it? __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
Mariko San Saints Surrounded	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:36:00 - [556] Originally by: Aries Acheron I have a question. Everyone's commenting on how BoB has exploited by using passive targetters on wrecks, to keep aggro on the Titan. The question is, if the Titan was possed up for 3 hours, doing no damage or anything.. how could it still be aggroed, since all the wrecks would have expired hours ago? Well if that was the case then how on earth was it possible that it was stil in space when it got destroyed and did not disappear after 30 seconds? Question: if CCP new about the Dev spawned BoB BPO's last summer why were they not removed last summer?
Ewa Quillam Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:38:00 - [557] Originally by: Avernus Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 16/02/2007 19:25:02 Originally by: Avernus Look closer, he says 'congrats to all involved'. That includes D2, the titan pilot, and everyone in system. Titan deaths are landmark events; winner or loser, you've just been marked down in Eve history for being there. There was no D2 involved. The Titan logged off from POS after 3 hours. He was then probed and Shrike jumpbridged a fleet on it. Wait a sec... you mean to tell me that the Titan logged off from a POS where D2 had no forces, and it had hostiles in local? . .. ... So you didn't jump out the Titan to a clear system, warp him to a deep safe and log off without agression. Why is anyone surprised that this titan got lost? Truth be told, you almost lost it last week but never heard about it. Your titan logged in a system that had Fixians in it while they were up in Fountain. Were it not for a lack of coverts at the time, we'd have it probed out ourselves. Honestly, the way you treated your titan and protected it, the loss is of little surprise. Condolences for the loss, but maybe turn the eye inward to see why it could have happened. So, you are justifying the exploit?????? lol
Kam SingDu'k Singularity.	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:38:00 - [558] Frickkin awesome event! 2 titans down in 2 days, does this mean the coalition no longer hold titans? Not that I'm siding with bob because i aint but looking from the outside its definately made things more exciting for both sides lawl. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Taiatia (mods@ccpgames)
Plaetean Blood Sweat and Tears	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:38:00 - [559] From the information posted by the D2 members, it looks like the only possible way the titan could have been killed is by BoB using spies in D2 to agro the titan before it logged. My question to D2 is, were there other people inside the POS? Or, if they've been shooting through a POS bubble before, that's a possibility too. I don't see how this wreck exploit is feasable as afaik wrecks don't last that long. -----
Itzena Amarr OtakuDyne Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:38:00 - [560] The 'tactic' BoB used will only be fixed once BoB loses a Titan to it. -- I want my people to reclaim their rightful place in the galaxy... I want a rebirth of glory, a renaissance of power... I want us to be what we used to be.
Empyre ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:41:00 - [561] Edited by: Empyre on 16/02/2007 20:38:04 Originally by: Kozak Shooting a wreck of a pilot, activates teh aggro timer, if he logged off and they scan him out and aggro him, YOU DO NOT GET AGGRO TIMER IF YOU LOG BEFORE THE AGGRO HAPPENED. It's the same thing that happens when people log off in bubbles, they still warp out and dissapear in 30 seconds. CCP really has their heads up their asses to allow a Titan to get destroyed like this. Very poor show again CCP. The only way they could have gotten aggro on the Titan is to shoot his can, which is an exploit and is petitionable. if the titan was sitting in a POS for so many hours, how did he generate wrecks to be shot at? EDIT: someone beat me to it! to all the people crying exploit and saying they are going to quit, i say good.freaking.riddance. the world, virtual or no, is better off without you. People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue.
Jackkal Order of Melekel	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:41:00 - [562] Originally by: Zrevak Ashek FFS! One must think ppl would learn from CYVVOKS mistakes, but nooooo... There is rumor that cyvok was ip kicked from the server.This info was out before the whole scandel surfaced, will be interesting to hear how bod shot another offline titan
Zanarkand Gallente Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:41:00 - [563] Seriously, if I had a IWIN button of eve in my hands and I needed to logoff, I would make it 100% (times 10) sure that the titan actually disappeared!!! Making an ALLIANCE wide 100+ man op of making sure that the titan really has actually disappeared, even cyno it into a random system and making it 100% sure with... How did D2 miss it themselves?
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:41:00 - [564] Originally by: Grainsalt I think Shrike saying DigitalCommunist's Plan worked kinda blows it out of the water. Not really. Thats actually pretty silly logic when you think about it, unless of course you happen to be privy to exactly what that plan was. Your simply assuming that the plan was to shoot a wreck and keep the pilot aggro'd. Thats really it nothing more then an assumption, for all we know the plan was to pay a D2 member the shoot/smartbomb the titan when he was close enough. I think we all need to stop foaming at the mouth here when ever BOB does something. I'll be the first to admit that I havn't the slightest clue as to what happened, other then a titan died today. Niether does anyone else posting in this thread as a matter of fact.
Dinamita Tona Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:41:00 - [565] from what i understand from people that were there, they probed, found, whatever i don't know that part, titan who was online and operational, nosed / neutralized its cap to point where it cant dd, or jump out with capital ships already fitted for that just in case, bubbled it with lots of dictors, and started killing it. When he went to armor he got scared and tried to log off, then 1 minute later he logged back on, tried to get out, didn't made it, got blown in 5 minutes, and got podded. So there wasn't agro timer, crushing to desktop or whatever. From what i was told it was lag free fight with titan pilot logged on for most part of it. Good Job BoB, keep it up. Damn sry i missed it all. damn work and ****. And to all of you screaming hax and exploits you have no idea how hilarious you sound. But then i guess its same in any game. When someone kicks your ass he cheats.
Dupre Indelian	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:42:00 - [566] If BoB really did kill a Titan by fair tacticts, then I say can only say Respect. But if they managed to keep an aggro alive by exploiting borked game mechanics, then I say BoB deserves their new nickname: Band of Cheaters. I will also closely monitor how this affair is handled. A month ago I would have said I will remain here until the servers go down, but now I am not so sure anymore. The trust in CCP has been lost, maybe forever.
Deviana Sevidon Gallente easyCredits Event-Horizon	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:42:00 - [567] Above Poster is me, just choose an Alt by accident.
Itzena Amarr OtakuDyne Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:43:00 - [568] Originally by: Empyre if the titan was sitting in a POS for so many hours, how did he generate wrecks to be shot at? Existing wrecks can be 'refreshed' (read: despawn timer reset) by shooting them. Shoot them with a bad enough gun (newbie civilian gun, for example) and wrecks can be kept up for hours...even days. Titans and motherships are now utterly worthless in EVE - kill anything with one and your enemies can reset your aggro timer for as long as they want, effectively. -- I want my people to reclaim their rightful place in the galaxy... I want a rebirth of glory, a renaissance of power... I want us to be what we used to be.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:44:00 - [569] Originally by: Ajaku No, a passive targeter used on the titan, and I don't know for sure, but I think they work while cloaked and POS shields don't stop it. Passive targetters don't cause aggression. That would be new. Otherwise you would get killed by concord for using them in high sec. And you can't fire weapons while cloaked, so how do you you aggress someone cloaked then ? _______ I came, I read, I lol'ed.
Jayden13	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:44:00 - [570] The fact that this titan, like the last situation, didn't go down gun's blazing, raises a question of authenticity on it's own. It went down when the pilot wasn't even there. Now, you want to call that a landmark event? Beyond this, it's the whole idea that the titan died when the pilot wasn't there. I don't care how you call it, and I don't care what exploit was used. If it died when the pilot wasn't in it, and the last place the titan and pilot were before log-off was the POS (read: secure location), then if that titan died between the pilot's log-off and the pilot's return, then how do you justify that as a kill? Now that's case one. Case two is that it did in fact go down with the pilot in it. If this is the case, I renounce every word above. If so, then get over it, and get on with the game. If you lost a titan, and you lost it fairly, then hell, that's nothing to be ashamed of. You had a titan, which should mean something, and just the fact that you have the ability to lose it is pretty nice. Further, if you had a titan, you're probably loaded enough to the point where you can build another one, perhaps yes you'll have to wait, but I have no doubt you can do it. The worst thing you can do now is quit, as Cyvok did. It's only then, when you give up, that you're enemies win. Now, that said...what's the salvage looking like on that thing?

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