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babylonstew Caldari Caldari Scouting and Intel Group	Posted - 2007.02.20 10:07:00 - [301] this whole smacks of the recon cloak and cyno debacle. sorry, they are bugged sorry, meant its a feature but we will fix it ok, was never intended to do that, we are having trouble fixing it ok, we admit, it was a bugged, nintended feature we didnt know about but did test it and it works fine ok, we sorted it, it works as we intended it to becos we cant get it to work the other way glad i have nbothing to do with pos's and alliance 'warfare' anymore Originally by: Devilish Ledoux Don't think of it as being kicked out of the Federation; think of it as beating the rush
Pastora Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.20 10:40:00 - [302] Me and my friend are sitting in a tank (an armored vehicle, you know). I'm the owner of the tank, and I just let my friend in without giving him a secret code to the automatic lock on my tank. Right, we are sitting inside the tank. The enemy starts to fire our way. I'm absolutely safe, my friend is getting hits and dies. Do you understand how ridiculous it is? This kind of logic rocks!!! _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.
Bomerang Dai Dai Hai	Posted - 2007.02.20 13:19:00 - [303] Here is another POS shield question for ya. If a Titan fires the DDD while being on the same grid as as POS owned by corp A who is member of alliance AA. Password is NOT set on pos. Which of these ships will take damage from the DDD? All are inside shields, corp/alliance set to allow on tower. 1a) A shuttle from corp A parked with no active pilot. 1b) A shuttle from corp A with active pilot. 2a) A frig from alliance AA parked with no active pilot. 2b) A frig from alliance AA with active pilot. 3) A Buzzard from corp C with high standings 4) A Thorax from friendly Alliance CC 5) A pod from hostile corp C (which, last I checked, can enter a pos without password.) Is someone trying to implement the use of DDD the same way as we see missiles and guns work now? Whack everyone on grid except the owners of the POS ?
Pax Uranus Pimpin Women Near You	Posted - 2007.02.20 16:43:00 - [304] There's no real point clamoring right now, they're either trying furiously to figure out what's really going on or they're quietly hoping this will just go away. Any bets?
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.02.20 16:49:00 - [305] Back to the top with you! PERKOSET & OXYCODONE IS FUN!!! Lets see how long till this post lives...
Raketefrau Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.20 17:01:00 - [306] All this arguing is missing the point. You should be safe inside a POS bubble. If you are not, then something is broken. It's just that simple.
Sekket	Posted - 2007.02.20 17:13:00 - [307] Originally by: w0rmy The guy who designed POS must no longer work for CCP. This is the only reason I can see that even they dont know how they work! Bah, my long reply got lost. In brief, my opinion on what CCP should do here is to first state how the POS shield should operate in regards to owners/friends/allies and then make sure it works in that manner. It's these multiple versions of what is/is not possible that is causing the players angst. And if we don't like the official functionality we can argue for change. But first, we need to know, officially, how these things are supposed to work.
Andrus Delai Mayven Omni Gestalt	Posted - 2007.02.20 17:23:00 - [308] Originally by: Raketefrau You should be safe inside a POS bubble. If you are not, then something is broken. It's just that simple. QFT
sakana Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.20 18:13:00 - [309] Originally by: Kessa Nova Originally by: Alumion Dear BoB alt. Did you even bothered to watch the video? They are firing salvo after salvo after salvo at multiple ships Maybe you are watching a different video? I see only one ship being hit. perhaps you know of missiles that go 0.00000000000001m/s? ------------
Tetsujin Caldari Band of Brosefs	Posted - 2007.02.20 20:06:00 - [310] Originally by: Shadowdeath your OWN behaviour and general failure at grasping facts, game mechanics & on a wider scale reality that's got the general atmosphere as bad as it is today. Get off the tinfoil. <giant rolleyes barfing a billion rolleyes that have minature rolleyes pouring out of their pupils>

Istaklain Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.20 23:37:00 - [311] Originally by: Tetsujin Originally by: Shadowdeath your OWN behaviour and general failure at grasping facts, game mechanics & on a wider scale reality that's got the general atmosphere as bad as it is today. Get off the tinfoil. <giant rolleyes barfing a billion rolleyes that have minature rolleyes pouring out of their pupils>
ElweSingollo The Vanyar	Posted - 2007.02.21 00:42:00 - [312] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Thor Xian Autotargeters? Nope...there is an explanation to the video, and it almost makes sense The Dreads were firing at the Thanatos inside the shield and the POS had no password. I am satisfied with the GM's response, but it would be nice to see them post here to make us all aware what is possible. Seems like some people knew about this already, but meh...maybe they just worked it out....maybe Would only have worked if the carrier had been unpiloted it warped out so must have had a pilot...
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.02.21 01:13:00 - [313] Originally by: ElweSingollo Edited by: ElweSingollo on 21/02/2007 00:51:34 Edited by: ElweSingollo on 21/02/2007 00:48:12 Originally by: Sharkbait i'm trying to find out the exact design for the starbase shields. once i have then i will do some news thing and a forum post about it. i'm not really as clued up with the ingame features as i used to be. i will keep you informed and will have sorted this early this week. as it stands i would advise you to set a password but allow corp and allaince members to enter the field. no one will be able to shoot them if thats done. it does also appear that if there is no password set then only corporation members and items are safe in the field. alliance members and other guests are not safe. it really is best you set a password. And just read through the entire thread would like to ask sharkbait or Jeikon or some Dev to post again and confirm that this is indeed a feature... If so it's got to be the most retarded idea of a feature ever bump Its extremely sad that instead of fixing a problem the jokers at CCP are turning them into features. Like POS and passive targeters... Like node crashing... Like bumping...
sr blackout Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.21 04:10:00 - [314] Edited by: sr blackout on 21/02/2007 04:07:31 i also wondered why it said that in the blog... i thought it was quite stupid thing to say... even if there is no real viable way atm to get one down, bumping? thats not something you would want to hear from a dev.... its not a standard method per say, thatÆs like saying about the whole nano thing that you should go and get one too to counter it lol... I donÆt know what I would do if they said that in the blog, laugh or quit
Galimiy Portret R.u.S.H. Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.21 07:17:00 - [315] Must... not... forget... ...now in RED
R'adeh Gallente Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.21 10:01:00 - [316] Edited by: R''adeh on 21/02/2007 10:00:26 Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch Originally by: Fantome Originally by: Kumu Honua I believe this post is in reguards to this video: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/exploiters/cheater.avi This an obvious exploit, all people involved deserve a ban BUT it's BOD so i guess CCP will do nothing... 1) The fraps starts when the guy is already back inside the POS bubble. If the fraps was running from the start I think you would find he moved back inside. He started off outside the bubble and some the less delusional alliance members of D2 have alluded to this in other threads. 2) If you are locked outside of the POS bubble and travel back inside it the lock stays. Stop blaming hax and exploits for pilot shortcomings or errors. Might have been like that in that case, but I got got shot by BoB inside one of our POS' shield after sitting there for almost 2 hours while finishing some report without leaving the shield once. So if you're trying to convey the message that BoB never use(d) that exploit, and that they're all fluffy fairplay bunnies...please seek help or at least post with your BoB main _______________________________________________ My views are my own and I don't represent my corp.
ALPHA12125 Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.21 10:48:00 - [317] Edited by: ALPHA12125 on 21/02/2007 10:44:55 Originally by: WHOSYADADDY Quote: hmm. I dont understand why everyone is flaming bob for this when that outbreak guy told that D2 had done the EXACT same thing? I dont know where you are getting this info. D2 has never dont this. You must be a toxin = Bob alts for the rest of eve that didnt know this yet. well thats why alot of outbreak post, because bob are not allowed to, ey? respect your enemy, something alot of people seem to forget. seriously check your facts and ask your alliance. you werent in pf-q ? u didnt take out our pos we were setting up at the moment ? u didnt target our thanatos ? and kept it webbed with a sabre ? u didnt continue to shot it when the carrier slowboated into the pos shields ? this bug has been here for ages, it's been bug reported when it happend to us and i bet it has been bugreported earlier. We were the first that found the sovernity bug and rise got their station handed back. what would have happend when this came out in the current conflict ? like lv getting stations back? there would be major accusations of dev involvement, blablabla. This is an bug like anything else the only difference is that it has media presence and people keep posting about it. it will get fixed and live goes on. this hasnt been the first incident like this and it prolly wont be the last.
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.22 11:44:00 - [318] So, are you gonna give us any answers CCP? Or you think "end of T2 BPOs" blog is going to restore "trust"?
Gaogan Gallente Solar Storm	Posted - 2007.02.22 22:46:00 - [319] Originally by: Kaganis Warmonkey Looking at it another way, No password = blank password. Default POS password on ships = blank password. So they can cruise on in with impunity. No, a blank password and an empty password are two different things. When you initially online the tower, the forcefield is offline ( says so on the window ). This means anyone and everyone can enter the field, though they can not board ships floating in it. You can just click apply on the password setup screen without entering anything, and it will activate the force field, and people can not enter the shield outside your corp/alliance. My guess is that this was lag, not an exploit, and most definitely NOT feature. Unfortunately, as evidenced by the post in this thread, and the responses I have seen from gms to my own petitions, they have no clue how pos work. Passwords have NOTHING to do with the lock breaking aspect of the shield. Even with an inactive shield that allows enemies inside, they can not be locked, or even damaged by smartbombs. I had a pos spontaneously switch to inactive and a hostile got in, but could not board ships and I could not smartbomb or lock him. Nor does it matter if the ships are boarded or not; if they are in the shield, they can not be targeted. I can not go into the details lest the gestapo get on my case, but when I petitioned this incident, I spent a week reading a comedy of errors as the various gms that replied clearly demonstrated that they have NO CLUE how pos work.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.02.22 23:05:00 - [320] Any answers from the devs so far? Last I know they said they want to look into it but it is difficult stuff, yet they wanted to give us answers at the beginning of the week. Now it is almost over.

Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.22 23:49:00 - [321] Originally by: Gnulpie Any answers from the devs so far? Last I know they said they want to look into it but it is difficult stuff, yet they wanted to give us answers at the beginning of the week. Now it is almost over. Yes, multipule. Sharkbait hasnt come back since his first post, he probably hasnt found what he was looking for, or is quite busy with other issues. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Ertai Vodalion Gallente LifeLine Solutions	Posted - 2007.02.23 15:11:00 - [322] .. interesting read - I¦m curious for more official answers. shooting ships in POS Shield is (timelined): -> impossible -> a bug/exploit -> a design feature that works as intended !
All Clear	Posted - 2007.02.23 17:38:00 - [323] here are a few more 'fun' pos features ff settings: set pw restriction masks: 'do not allow corp/alliance usage' sentry gun settings: 'attack if standing lower than 0.1' now, you're in a corp which is part of an alliance - you share an alliance channel with these guys - invite one of them to, without aggressing, visit your pos... kazaam wurble pew pew they're dead - why? this is a ccp 'feature' whereby the pos doesn't recognize alliance standings - the only way to not have the pos shoot alliance-mates or those set positive through alliance standings is to set personal or corp-to-corp standings to each of them - remember that there's a max limit of 300 standings you can set in a non-alliance manner - it was explained that this is an intended feature as ccp has yet to introduce 'alliance pos' to the game, which evidently will recognize alliance-set standings - as it stands, the above pos sees everyone not in your corp or not set to >0.1 in CORP standings as neutral, even if you're in the same alliance -- ironically enough, my single renegade, cannot-recognize-alliance-relationships pos is the cause of a sovereignty label recognizing my alliance another 'feature' same setup as above enter ff pw and enter bubble, bringing your ship right up to the ct - eject from your ship and logoff in your pod (or in another ship if you have an sma or if you've bothered to 'retrieve' a previous attempt of this feature -- log out of the game - wait 5-10 minutes - log back in and enter ff pw as you warp back to the pos -- you'll find the ship you left next to the ct floating OUTSIDE the bubble, approximately 10km to 80km depending on ship mass though reported, this 'feature' has yet to have a function contrived for it - it remains in the 'we don't know why' file finally, a rather disturbing feature same setup as above travel to your pos without entering the ff pw - when you arrive you'll be bounced back out of the bubble to a distance based on your ship's mass - pretend you've either forgotten your pw or you're planning on doing something nefarious to your corp's pw'd pos - approach the ff bubble as close as you can - r-click the ct and select manage - tick the 'allow corporation/alliance member usage' box and enter the bubble - once inside, reset the ff pw and untick the restriction masks boxes (this does require that you have corporation starbase roles, but i think we can all see the security risk here) no reaction from ccp yet on this feature hope this helps
Gaogan Gallente Solar Storm	Posted - 2007.02.24 06:42:00 - [324] Originally by: All Clear travel to your pos without entering the ff pw - when you arrive you'll be bounced back out of the bubble to a distance based on your ship's mass - pretend you've either forgotten your pw or you're planning on doing something nefarious to your corp's pw'd pos - approach the ff bubble as close as you can - r-click the ct and select manage - tick the 'allow corporation/alliance member usage' box and enter the bubble - once inside, reset the ff pw and untick the restriction masks boxes (this does require that you have corporation starbase roles, but i think we can all see the security risk here) no reaction from ccp yet on this feature hope this helps This IS entirely intentional and patently obvious. If you have starbase config, you own the tower. The password is there to allow other people to enter, not to keep people who own the tower out. If someone you don't trust has starbase config, you have bigger problems than them resetting the password: they can simply offline and unanchor the tower and haul it away.
All Clear	Posted - 2007.02.24 12:21:00 - [325] Originally by: Gaogan Originally by: All Clear travel to your pos without entering the ff pw - when you arrive you'll be bounced back out of the bubble to a distance based on your ship's mass - pretend you've either forgotten your pw or you're planning on doing something nefarious to your corp's pw'd pos - approach the ff bubble as close as you can - r-click the ct and select manage - tick the 'allow corporation/alliance member usage' box and enter the bubble - once inside, reset the ff pw and untick the restriction masks boxes (this does require that you have corporation starbase roles, but i think we can all see the security risk here) no reaction from ccp yet on this feature hope this helps This IS entirely intentional and patently obvious. If you have starbase config, you own the tower. The password is there to allow other people to enter, not to keep people who own the tower out. If someone you don't trust has starbase config, you have bigger problems than them resetting the password: they can simply offline and unanchor the tower and haul it away. i feel the same about this not really being a bug, hence why i didn't write 'feature' as in the other points -- i do disagree that a corp director giving a player starbase roles means that they 'own' all towers - let me explain... there are a myriad number of ways this game can be played and pos are no exception - i know of many, many instances where corps allow their individual members to run a single or even multiple pos for personal profit or convenience, i.e. a far-flung mining camp, ratting base, moon mining, etc - i would consider the person who purchased the pos gear, runs it, and fuels it to be the owner, albeit under the auspices of his or her corp having another person in your corp who also runs his own personal pos visit yours, as described above, and absconds with your fuel stocks, ships in sma, and other valuables IS a security risk - i mention it here because i've had a gm previously respond to this query by stating that a personal pos can be secured from starbase role-wielding corp members by arranging the above mentioned ff settings - furthermore, we've seen ccp attempt this type of functionality in pos through the somewhat-new access controls panel, although those features are still practically useless it turns out that i, and perhaps others, were misled by a gm as to the security of our possessions - bringing that to light can't hurt -- the main point here being that if ccp can try implementing tower-specific access controls, then why not tower-specific starbase roles?
31i73 BGG	Posted - 2007.02.24 23:43:00 - [326] Shooting thru shields isn't exploiting because only bob knows how to. And the rest of us asking "hello ccp?" gets answered by a mature "hello back". Gr8, just gr8.
Xtra Bitter hirr	Posted - 2007.02.25 00:01:00 - [327] Originally by: Gaogan Originally by: All Clear travel to your pos without entering the ff pw - when you arrive you'll be bounced back out of the bubble to a distance based on your ship's mass - pretend you've either forgotten your pw or you're planning on doing something nefarious to your corp's pw'd pos - approach the ff bubble as close as you can - r-click the ct and select manage - tick the 'allow corporation/alliance member usage' box and enter the bubble - once inside, reset the ff pw and untick the restriction masks boxes (this does require that you have corporation starbase roles, but i think we can all see the security risk here) no reaction from ccp yet on this feature hope this helps This IS entirely intentional and patently obvious. If you have starbase config, you own the tower. The password is there to allow other people to enter, not to keep people who own the tower out. If someone you don't trust has starbase config, you have bigger problems than them resetting the password: they can simply offline and unanchor the tower and haul it away. And any of this has to do with shooting through pos shields why ?
Dr Slice OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.25 00:36:00 - [328] First I would like to say to Goumindong: Outstanding work on the mathematics and video analysis. Second, I have read every post in this thread carefully (took a looong time) and besides the stuff you're reading at the moment, I'm utterly speechless. I also find it interesting that no clarification is being provided by the "higher powers". I'm completely surprised and saddened at the same time.
DaHeaVYFo Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.02.26 23:19:00 - [329] This is the first whine thread I bump, 80% of it maybe a whine, the other 55% was clear truth. I'm glad I got your attention... 2 things are remarkable about this thread. 1. It's one word vs the other, BoB fanbois vs the Coalition fanbois 2. No other Dev has spoken out about this, but Jiekon. Now, I just got the elbow feeling Jiekon does not belong in a Dev team of EVE... I can forum-*****-gold-bars-around much more efficient then him tbh. And to the forum posting rules, i'll keep it with that... Question remains posed...
Galimiy Portret R.u.S.H. Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 09:03:00 - [330] So... Did we get that promised clarification from a dev? ...now in RED



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