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BigWhale Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.19 15:33:00 - [241] Shield should protect everything inside it. Whatever it is, from whoever it is. Shield should stop all kinds of damage, no matter when and from who it was fired and no matter at who it was fired upon. So missiles fired when ship was outside the shield should just explode when they reach shield. Or do they have the 'Pass shield, collect 100 ISK' card? If it doesn't act that way, then it is not a shield. However it could be a "multiphasic sub-atomic non-penetratable neutronian barrier" which works just like POS shield works now.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.19 15:42:00 - [242] Originally by: ceaon Edited by: ceaon on 19/02/2007 15:24:10 RABLE WOOOOOOOOOT Linkage Nice link. what a joke CCP.
Qu'ut Nez Minmatar Norges Sildesalgslag	Posted - 2007.02.19 15:52:00 - [243] POSes are the flagpoles which territory is captured with. They are broken. They work in awkward, undocumented, buggy and lag-inducing ways. The player made story content is written with POSes. CCP should really really be revamping and fixing the current instruments of gameplay instead of adding all the bloat that's on the horizon. It's really getting ridiculous. Most petition responses I read indicate that the players know much more about the game than the GMs do. ------ [SILD]
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.02.19 16:07:00 - [244] Originally by: CCP Jiekon I have been able to shoot non boarded ships and structures inside a non passworded, online starbase. The powers that be have said that this is by design. Dear Jiekon, your above statement sounds rather cryptic and might fuel any discussion about favorism. Can you please state which are the "powers that be"? It is very confusing, you as developer say it is an exploit and then someone else, who?, tells us that it is all intended.

CCP Jiekon	Posted - 2007.02.19 16:10:00 - [245] The powers that be refer to anyone who is higher up the chain of command than i am. ________________________________ ~Jiekon ~CCP QA Known Issues Page The LogServer Easy Steps To Bug Reporting

Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.02.19 16:16:00 - [246] Originally by: CCP Jiekon The powers that be refer to anyone who is higher up the chain of command than i am. Thanks Jiekon, that makes it clearer And thanks for the devs anyway. I think they are always the first who are getting yelled at if something doesn't work as people think it should work. But I am sure that they are hard working and caring a lot! So don't yell but adopt people. Mmmmh, I have another question though...how do I know if the password is set at a pos if it is not my own one? Is there any harmless way to see if I am safe inside the pos shields or not?
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.19 16:18:00 - [247] Originally by: Qu'ut Nez POSes are the flagpoles which territory is captured with. They are broken. They work in awkward, undocumented, buggy and lag-inducing ways. The player made story content is written with POSes. Qft. Tbh the second best thing ccp could do for Eve is to remove the sovereignty part from pos and invent another land-grabing system that doesn't involve outblobing the enemy. That would be the second best, the best thing being actually enforcing the Eula and come down on those that pervert game mechanics and gain an advantage where were never supposed to let you gain one. ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types.

CCP Jiekon	Posted - 2007.02.19 16:19:00 - [248] Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: CCP Jiekon The powers that be refer to anyone who is higher up the chain of command than i am. Thanks Jiekon, that makes it clearer And thanks for the devs anyway. I think they are always the first who are getting yelled at if something doesn't work as people think it should work. But I am sure that they are hard working and caring a lot! So don't yell but adopt people. Mmmmh, I have another question though...how do I know if the password is set at a pos if it is not my own one? Is there any harmless way to see if I am safe inside the pos shields or not? If you can enter the force field without setting a password on your ship, then there is no password on the starbase. ________________________________ ~Jiekon ~CCP QA Known Issues Page The LogServer Easy Steps To Bug Reporting

Sparta	Posted - 2007.02.19 16:21:00 - [249] I lost a BS inside a large POS in ooyz; when I was 500m from tower (on approach). CCP said it could not be true. Of course it was. So some code hole does "live" and since ccp says I am lying we can us it when we find it.
Kaganis Warmonkey Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.19 16:33:00 - [250] Edited by: Kaganis Warmonkey on 19/02/2007 16:33:35 Originally by: CCP Jiekon If you can enter the force field without setting a password on your ship, then there is no password on the starbase. Cough Unless the starbase belongs to your corp / alliance, and they have the appropriate box ticked. Cough EDIT: Sorry if I come across as a touch bitter about POS's. They've just been a PITA recently. God knows how much worse they must be to fix than to run. I'm not going to be cancelling my subscription any time soon though.
Zixxa	Posted - 2007.02.19 16:42:00 - [251] Originally by: Kaganis Warmonkey Edited by: Kaganis Warmonkey on 19/02/2007 12:20:44 Edited by: Kaganis Warmonkey on 19/02/2007 12:19:07 Originally by: James Duar Originally by: Kaganis Warmonkey Yes, but without a password, that shield offers almost no protection. My understanding was enemies could come & go through it at will, free to nick ships & bump people out. No, this is wrong. W/O a password the shield only allows in people who you have standings set to. Without a password, the force field is INACTIVE. Really? ----------------- All ships that does not belong to the corporation that owns the POS can be targeted as long as no password is set, be they boarded or not. Best regards, Senior GM Xamother ----------------- For corporation ships shield is active even without password, for non-corporation ships shield is not active. Originally by:* Kaganis Warmonkey That's written in black & white on the POS management panel. Go look. We do not care about manuals, now we read BoB forum to understand how Eve gane mechanic works. CCP, simple question, is it so difficult for us to add notifications - you under POS shield. Targeting is not possible. - you have aggro timer and aggro states? Read your own knowledge base and try to understand logic. It is much simpler to add notification. Global aggro, corp aggro, alliance aggro. And time. Or for BoB it will be difficult to find holes in the game mechanic? --------------------------------- Hint 1: Train for Mega, not for Rokh Hint 2: Abaddon is uber fleet BS. R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven> R.I.P. <Eagle> R.I.P. <ECM> R.I.P. <Drake>
Qu'ut Nez Minmatar Norges Sildesalgslag	Posted - 2007.02.19 16:49:00 - [252] Why didn't t20 write this stuff down when he was commanding their capital fleet? ------ [SILD]
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.19 16:56:00 - [253] Originally by: CCP Jiekon The powers that be refer to anyone who is higher up the chain of command than i am. Sucks that BoB members are higher up the chain than you. There really can be no defending this as a "feature". Its clearly a bug. Why would ANYBODY ever want stuff in their pos to be vulnerable to fire? The only thing I can think of would be a spy inside the pos, but that would be an exception to normal activity, and should certainly not be the DEFAULT behavior. No, it seem pretty clear what happened. Petitions were filed...mostly directed at BoB. GM's investigated. The functionality was determined to be a bug. But T20 (who is back in bob btw), and probably several other developers (and of course keiron) didn't want another scandal about bob cheating. So rather than warn/ban the players involved they made it a feature. Shamis (If you read this post you may want to save it, I'm sure it'll be deleted by the bob mods).
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.19 16:56:00 - [254] Originally by: Qu'ut Nez Why didn't t20 write this stuff down when he was commanding their capital fleet? And here is one joke that needs to hit the retirement home reaaaaaal quick I'd hate to see what the odometer on that joke is Never again are you allowed to complain about not training for combat
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.19 17:08:00 - [255] Originally by: CCP Jiekon The powers that be refer to anyone who is higher up the chain of command than i am. Who, BoB? You guys can't even answer the most simple questions asked in this thread. What, are you waiting for Kieron to wrap it in his "Devs & Friends Manager" style? Or it's taking time to convince yourselves first, that this is a "feature" (undocumented, of course)? You make EA look very good.
Xtra Bitter hirr	Posted - 2007.02.19 17:11:00 - [256] Originally by: CCP Jiekon Originally by: Gnulpie Mmmmh, I have another question though...how do I know if the password is set at a pos if it is not my own one? Is there any harmless way to see if I am safe inside the pos shields or not? If you can enter the force field without setting a password on your ship, then there is no password on the starbase. And if i have a password set on my ship and they dont does my ship still enter and i not know if the pos has a password. And how does this impact on allow corp and allow alliance buttons.
Qu'ut Nez Minmatar Norges Sildesalgslag	Posted - 2007.02.19 17:15:00 - [257] Sorry if this has been answered: Can anyone INSIDE the shield, under any POS configuration, lock anything inside or outside said shields? ------ [SILD]
Christopher Multsanti ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.19 17:21:00 - [258] Edited by: Christopher Multsanti on 19/02/2007 17:18:46 I do not understand the following: A) is the statement made by the Senior GM factual (Ships in a POS that are in the same alliance, but not the same corp as the owner of the POS, can be shot through the shields without a PW set?) b) If this is true, why has it taken so long for it to be divulged? c) this is clearly broken, when can we expect it fixed? It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it?
FXSlacker Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.19 17:27:00 - [259] If there is major battle and I want to share my POS, I must pass out the passwd? I would have thought setting standings for those I chose to allow would be enough. Hmmm, my mistake. How smart is it that a game mechanic requires that I send the passwd for a POS to 100's of players so they can be protected (or steal my POS)? Not very, there is no security. It would make more sense if there was a FoF mechanism that handled this and allowed positive standing corps to use the POS, but not shut it down. Too many are more focused on placing blame. We are a community, lets act like one. We have our problems, but screaming the sky is falling doesn't solve anything, even if the sky is falling. Do not throw your hands up and say I give up. Roll up your sleeves, dig in, and gather facts to back up your position. Spouting they are bad solves nothing. FXSlacker
Major Dim Caldari Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 17:30:00 - [260] Y oh y the the hell cant those INSIDE the POS target anyone at all???
CreEDLom DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 17:30:00 - [261] Originally by: Qu'ut Nez Sorry if this has been answered: Can anyone INSIDE the shield, under any POS configuration, lock anything inside or outside said shields? Very good question. The question we have to ask our selves is . . Would it be fair to fire back at BoB while in a POS that has no password. Just a word of caution. If you try something that might be a BoB "feature" you might get banned. So let CCP/BoB see if you can fire back.
Susan Acid Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.19 17:34:00 - [262] Originally by: FXSlacker If there is major battle and I want to share my POS, I must pass out the passwd? I would have thought setting standings for those I chose to allow would be enough. Hmmm, my mistake. How smart is it that a game mechanic requires that I send the passwd for a POS to 100's of players so they can be protected (or steal my POS)? Not very, there is no security. FXSlacker Sorry,but does this mean that if an enemy is given the POS password they can use it to get into the POS or do they need positive standings and the password?
Azrael Bierce Cult of Lemen	Posted - 2007.02.19 17:35:00 - [263] Makes it open season on any replacement ships parked in a POS then.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.19 17:38:00 - [264] Edited by: Plutoinum on 19/02/2007 17:35:14 Originally by: Shamis Orzoz No, it seem pretty clear what happened. Petitions were filed...mostly directed at BoB. GM's investigated. The functionality was determined to be a bug. But T20 (who is back in bob btw), and probably several other developers (and of course keiron) didn't want another scandal about bob cheating. So rather than warn/ban the players involved they made it a feature. Sounds rather stupid tbh. If people have petitioned losses and got different responses from 'Can't be !' to 'feature', then I rather believe that most of the GMs and maybe even some devs didn't know exactly, how the pos shield game mechanics works in detail. Otherwise this would have been handled long time ago, proper information would have been given out and the game mechanics changed to something more logical. I don't see the big conspiration, just players, gms and probably also devs being misinformed, so those incidents have been handled badly. If it was handled right and seen as an exploit, then the people in BoB would have gotten a warning on the first incident and the victims their ship back imho. Anouncement, fix, case closed. _______ I came, I read, I lol'ed.
Poolpy dev zero	Posted - 2007.02.19 17:50:00 - [265] Edited by: Poolpy on 19/02/2007 17:48:10 Originally by: Plutoinum ...then I rather believe that most of the GMs and maybe even some devs didn't know exactly, how the pos shield game mechanics works in detail... Well, it seem that there isn't any mechanics with the pos, only features^W bugs Hello CCP, can you at least give a documentation about the pos, so YOU can define exactly what is an exploit and what is a feature and not invent feature on the fly ?
Aelwyd Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.19 17:52:00 - [266] Originally by: CCP Jiekon If you can enter the force field without setting a password on your ship, then there is no password on the starbase. This is a really fun addition to POS warfare its not a waste of time for people to enter in new passwords whenever they go to a different POS or anything like that. Thanks devs for this amazing new feature i simply don't know what i'd do without it. Hah, to think i thought that it was a bug you couldn't fix how utterly outrageous.
Disteeler Segunda Fundacion O X I D E	Posted - 2007.02.19 17:53:00 - [267] Edited by: Disteeler on 19/02/2007 17:50:00 No no no and no. This is NOT a feature. You can't try the hard you want, we the players KNOW it's a bug and it's being exploited by someones very involved in the greater wars in EvE. Just FIX IT NOW and don't continue trying to convice us, we are not kids

Sharkbait	Posted - 2007.02.19 17:53:00 - [268] i'm trying to find out the exact design for the starbase shields. once i have then i will do some news thing and a forum post about it. i'm not really as clued up with the ingame features as i used to be. i will keep you informed and will have sorted this early this week. as it stands i would advise you to set a password but allow corp and allaince members to enter the field. no one will be able to shoot them if thats done. it does also appear that if there is no password set then only corporation members and items are safe in the field. alliance members and other guests are not safe. it really is best you set a password.

Aelwyd Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.19 17:59:00 - [269] Originally by: Sharkbait i'm trying to find out the exact design for the starbase shields. I don't think anyone cares about the fact that it might be a game feature as much as if it actually is one then its stupid and should be changed ASAP. A good indicator of how warmly the community has taken to this system is in this very thread with people not knowing about this for so long and then virtually everyone believing its a bug even to the point when they are told its not they still insist that it is. Change it if its intended, if its not intended then fix it.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.19 18:15:00 - [270] Originally by: Plutoinum If people have petitioned losses and got different responses from 'Can't be !' to 'feature', then I rather believe that most of the GMs and maybe even some devs didn't know exactly, how the pos shield game mechanics works in detail. Yeah, there was disagreement within the ranks until somebody higher up told them it was intended. I'm sure some of the GM's though it was a bug, but they were no doubt silenced. Shamis Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes

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