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Arx Impera Amarr Gr0und Zer0	Posted - 2007.02.18 20:36:00 - [61] Originally by: Admai Sket Originally by: Lori Carlyle So firing a Torp is like what... So on a side note, you could infact kill someone with a 50mph banana. This wins on many levels. ...who of course promptly went bat****, flipped out and killed some people.
Ascrethy Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.18 20:59:00 - [62] Edited by: Ascrethy on 18/02/2007 21:02:53 Edited by: Ascrethy on 18/02/2007 20:57:26 Ok now settle down ..... In order to achive "warp" a stable warp field must be created around the vessel wishing to attain faster than light travel, this "field" encompases the vessel allowing it to achive velocities much faster than light. That said whilst 2 ships would have a "relative" velocity of 0 to each other assuming same warp velocity, any form of weapons fire would leave the warp field of the firing ship. As it does so due to the extreme velocitys it is safe to assume that solid projectiles such as torpedoes or projectile ammunition would attomize bombarding the warp field and possibley leading to it's collapse, if not worse due to the relative speed of the attomising particles to that of the vessel, the resulting effect incountered, would be equivilent to that seen in particle acceleration weaponry, only on a more energetic level due to the extreme velocties. The same can be said for lasers in that the "photons" would bombard the warp field at the point it tries to exit, again possibley leading to an uncontrolled collapse of the warp field. By all means remove the safty measure if you like having you corpse atoms splatter over several AU. I'd pay isk to see the explosions :P As I walked through the valley of the shadow of death, I did fear no evil, as I carried a big stick, and was the meanest mofo in the valley
EndersGame Amarr Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.18 21:06:00 - [63] Originally by: EPSILON DELTA Just to humor the physics behind it, if you are traveling at near light speed and parallel to another object at the same speed, a light beam between the two ships would travel at c regardless of your velocity relative to a stationary target, as will any massive object between the two ships. its elementary school physics and im surprised nobody brought it up. Actually it does not matter if you are parrellel or not. If you are going 0 m/s per second, ie you are standing still and shoot a beam of light at the target in front of you that is going at 99% the speed of light, that beam will still pass them going at "c" in other words they will still see that beam passing them at the speed of light, even though they are going at 99% the speed of light. The reason why this is, is because "time" is giving way for it, the faster you approach c the slower time is for you. So even though you are going 99% the speed of light, and someone who is stationary shot a beam of light at you, it will still travel at the speed of light past you, and you will see it passing at the SPEED of light past you as well. "Light will not pass you more slowly" In other words "c" is constant regardless of what velocitys you are at.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:16:00 - [64] I say again... SpAcE HeRpIeS!!! Of course my point is that we shouldn't sacrifice fun game play for the sake of ultra-realistic explanations as to what physics might allow. And the stupid space herpe thing was just taking it to the opposite extreme. Sure, we shouldn't bank shots off of planets or play pool with the solar system (red planet, corner pocket), but the science behind the game should be secondary to fun. And you just can't get around the fact time spent in warp is pretty dull. In fact, besides a gang warp there really isn't much player to player interaction at all. So... why not? And the answer to that question shouldn't be answered with physics text books. ------------------- Ignorance
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.18 23:01:00 - [65] I'm all for pew pew in warp. It means more than delicious hauler ganks it means that the warp speed enhancing rigs will become even more useful. It means 2 anti pirates in ceptors could cut me to pieces when I think I'm safe in my warp tunnel. It means warping away dosen't guarantee your safety anymore Never again are you allowed to complain about not training for combat
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.02.18 23:56:00 - [66] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin I'm all for pew pew in warp. It means more than delicious hauler ganks it means that the warp speed enhancing rigs will become even more useful. It means 2 anti pirates in ceptors could cut me to pieces when I think I'm safe in my warp tunnel. It means warping away dosen't guarantee your safety anymore Exactly! And it could offer other posibilities for pilot skill if one could actually do some piloting once in warp. Imagine warping off towards a gate and then modifying your course once you're going to throw chasers off your tail. Or being able to interupt your own warp midway. It's one of those things that CCP would have to be very careful with. Much of the game is has been balanced around that break point. But quite a bit of the time spent in game is spent in warp. And to draw a parallel with radio, as far as game play goes its sort of "dead air". I don't play EVE because of the fun I have while in warp. Anyway, I think I've flogged this particular topic enough. ------------------- Ignorance
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 00:00:00 - [67] Originally by: Jim McGregor Not even the Enterprise itself can fire while in Warp... Star trek nemesis... -------------------------------------------- Stay away from my signature all of ya!!! IM WARNING YOU!! PEW PEW PEW PEW!
Touk Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.19 00:47:00 - [68] Edited by: Touk on 19/02/2007 00:44:11 Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: DKE Milio Edited by: DKE Milio on 17/02/2007 17:05:51 Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Imechal Ravpeim Doing stuff that affects other ships while in warp gets thing too complicated... You're moving several times faster than the speed of light. I don't think there are many modules capable of doing that. But relative to each other you're not moving at all. No, but a laser or other objects will, because they have no warp drive. BTW, when you are going 3,0 AU a minute, you are going 0,447 billion k/m a sec (1490 times the lightspeed) (if one AU is the distance between the sun and earth) Irrelevent. If i am driving in a car and drop a baseball the baseball does not stop moving. It falls right beside the car and maintains the cars velocity as it falls. Similarly with anything shot in space at any velocity. Relative velocity between the targets would be zero since they are in the same warp bubble and combat would take place as normal with 0 transversal. This also works with lasers, missiles etc. auctully the situation with the baseball is because the ball has weight and is therefore carrying the momentum built up with the car, a laser is light (and travels at light speed which is already surpassed by the speed of the warp) and has no weight that can be measured so would just fall behind. a missle howver would work as it is already carrying the momentum of the ship travelling at warp. so when a missle is fired, its own thrust would increase its speed as if it had started stationary. FreeHugs
Eclipsen413 Gallente The Last Ravens	Posted - 2007.02.19 08:07:00 - [69] i have an idea, lets implement E=MC^2 into eve so i, traveling 1000times the speed of light will get from gate a to gate b in a nanosecond. or they can use chuck norris, his roundhouse kicks are so fast they break the speed of light, go back in time and kill dinosuars
SteroBolic Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.19 08:12:00 - [70] ROFL.. well if you warped scram someone how would you be able to attack them sicne they fall out of warp.. you will still be warping urself except now this guy is in a SS somewere out of warp and ur still warping.. You will need someone to warp scram you also so u can be there to kill him
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.19 09:06:00 - [71] Originally by: SteroBolic ROFL.. well if you warped scram someone how would you be able to attack them sicne they fall out of warp.. you will still be warping urself except now this guy is in a SS somewere out of warp and ur still warping.. You will need someone to warp scram you also so u can be there to kill him I imagine the system could be made to deacticate your warp drive at the same time. Not that it says anywhere that warp scramblers can actually knock a ship out of warp, but it doesn't say they can't either... ---------- IBTL \o/ Fix the ******* map! No such thing as griefing in Eve
Mrsticks Minmatar RNCGM Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.19 11:11:00 - [72] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 18/02/2007 03:47:03 Originally by: Scoundrelus's Alt Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Scoundrelus's Alt Warping doesn't make you go faster than the speed of light. Warping is basically like folding space so that two points are closer together than they natrually would be. See space is concave, and things like gravity and such that are generated by planets, moons actually bend space. Which is why black holes are interesting because what they are are actually tears in time-space. So in conclusion one would say that you aren't really 'warping' more then you are folding. For those confused I could draw a picture in MS Paint. Negative. Warp Drive in Eve is not true Warp Drive, so this is not how it works. It actually expands a depleted vacuum bubble around your ship, thus increasing the speed of light within the bubble. So you don't exceed the speed of light, you speed the speed of light up. No warping involved . Yes I realize that's EVE's definition as seen HERE, however what I'm refering to is actual warp theory, something that can be applied to realistic physics. Hoping maybe I can educate someone on something they didn't know about prior to reading this thread. BUT YOU RUINED EVERYTHING! runs away crying The real definition doesn't matter if Eve doesn't use it. And since Eve's one is (AFAIK) completely made up, it gives us much more room to play with ideas. Of course, using any weapon while in warp is like throwing a paper airplane between two cars on a motorway no matter what definition you use. Every time you bring real world physics in to EVE the devs kill a bear...Plz think of the bears. Them and every pirate corp in the game that is Long Live TEXAS! Texans join the Texas channel in game plz.

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