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Boliknar The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 18:17:00 - [61] Originally by: Zalt O I can fully endorse what Nooey is saying. He's right, D2's Titan loss is their own fault. Everyone always claims BOB uses underhanded tactics all the time... well, PLAN FOR IT if you believe it so. -Stop flaming his thread- And post with yer main fanboi or get owned wait you wont only unidentified anti-bob alts get snipped...sorry I forgot.
Atreus Minmatarius Fatalix Inc. Schism.	Posted - 2007.02.17 18:18:00 - [62] Originally by: BossNova So, where are we? Some players will stop at nothing to win, even if it means abusing game mechanics to do so. fair enough... question: Should those ppl (who are found to ABUSE game mechanics) be punished in any way?
BossNova Guiding Star Industries	Posted - 2007.02.17 18:18:00 - [63] Originally by: Boliknar Originally by: BossNova Originally by: Boliknar Originally by: BossNova What a bunch of sad, lonesome bandwagoning whiners. I like how none of them bother to respond to logical arguments and keep saying the most retarded stuff. For example, respond to the nanophoon argument, paraphrased thusly: Agression timer is being used in a different way from that of CCP's intention. Haxploit. Thus, Nanophoons being used in a different way from that of CCP's intention is also a haxploit. If you also believe that D2 should get their titan back, you should believe anyone who's lost his ship to a nanophoon should get his ship back. Now, if you don't respond to this, I will repost my message. Actually Nanophoons are acting just like they (the nanophoons themselves) were designed act. So if you want to try and argue with logic you might just wanna check your arguement first... MmmKay http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=427 ^ We call that "boned" where I come from. Read your initial arguement you stated that "NANOPHOONS" were not being used by CCPs intentions. 1) CCP never deisgned a Nanophoon its a combination of different mods. so not designed specificaly as a ship. 2) If you leave out the first part that CCP never actually designed the nanophoon and instead focue that is was a player made developement then it is acting exactly like "IT " was designed to do. Get it now? 1) CCP never designed the strategy BOB used to kill the titan. It was a combination of different tactics. So not designed specifically as a ship OR as strategy. 2. If you leave out the first part that CCP never actually planned out the whole strategy and instead focus that it was a play made development, then it is acting exactly like "IT" was designed to do. Get it now? (Really, you should stop now. I can't believe you just tried to argue that nanophoons aren't an abuse of game mechanics because *CCP didn't physically build Typhoons with nanofibers, inertial stabilizers, and MWD already installed*. It's like you're arguing FOR me!)
BossNova Guiding Star Industries	Posted - 2007.02.17 18:19:00 - [64] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: BossNova Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 17/02/2007 18:08:10 Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: NightmareX Nope it's not, when a freighter try to log off while he's still cloaked at the gate, then he KNOWS that he is going to be attacked, and therefor try to log off to save his ship. The thing with the titan is something totally different, because he logged off while he was sure he was safe and no enemier around him then. And the titan pilot had to log because of rl stuffs, and not because he knows he was about to get attacked. So therefor, you are still wrong dude No matter how much you like to ride on that freighter example, There are tools to prevent this from happening, your pilot turned them knowingly OFF. He died. To debat whether its working as intended or if it has a sideeffect is pointless. All shades of logging with aggression were and have been covered months or years before. That the pilot was stupid enough to log without thinking about spies or atleast INSIDE the pos field really tells everything there needs to be told. Well well, friendly fire is still not an enemy agression. The agression system was not meant to be agressed by friends, but by enemies you are fighting. Even when you have an enemy in your corp, you should not be ablr to start a new aggro in ANY ways. Wrong. Spying and internal backstabbing are part of the game. Sorry I don't have a handy devblog link like I did in the other post re: nanophoons, but I don't think anyone is going to challenge me on this one. It would follow that CCP intends for friendly fire to agress someone. Yeah the spying stuff and that are when peoples are online, this is about a player who logged off with an aggro that he shouldn't have had at all. But the aggro was achieved while he was ONLINE.
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.17 18:20:00 - [65] Originally by: NightmareX Well well, friendly fire is still not an enemy agression. The agression system was not meant to be agressed by friends, but by enemies you are fighting. Even when you have an enemy in your corp, you should not be able to start a new aggro in ANY ways from a corp / alliance member. Would you STOP crying about this already? If friends and allies werent meant to give you aggression flags, that "feature" of the pvp timer system would have never been implemented in the first place or would have been removed in short order. The game has been this way for over a year, if you haven't gotten used to it now then its your own fault. If you don't like it, crying exploit isnt the solution. Go write yourself an intelligently worded post in the New Ideas/Features forum and see about getting it changed. Until then, knock it off.
Klaus Stoertebeker Riders of Rohan	Posted - 2007.02.17 18:25:00 - [66] Edited by: Klaus Stoertebeker on 17/02/2007 18:22:18 Originally by: Laura Baretta You say: Friendly Fire shouldnt add an aggro timer. fact: Friendly Fire adds an aggro timer. It is in game so it is legit. bull**....so if I find a bug and abuse it its ok, because its in the game so its legit? honestly: idio...argh, I didnt want to swear on the forums... Originally by:** Laura Baretta Your argumentation "Friendly Fire shouldn't add aggro timer" is totally useless, and that wont change, no matter how often you tell people trying to explain this to you that THEY don't get your warped logic. because it doesnt fit with your point of view? who are you to decide whats useless and whats not? well, you reached status "ignorant idi(grr...nearly did it...)" now ;)
Eamz Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.02.17 18:27:00 - [67] what i dont understand is how bobs exploiting is any different from say zombie attacking yulai. What they did was within the game mechanics, they didnt break any rules, but they were all banned.
Diego Cali Caldari The Roots	Posted - 2007.02.17 18:27:00 - [68] Originally by: Righteous Fury Originally by: NightmareX Well well, friendly fire is still not an enemy agression. The agression system was not meant to be agressed by friends, but by enemies you are fighting. Even when you have an enemy in your corp, you should not be able to start a new aggro in ANY ways from a corp / alliance member. Would you STOP crying about this already? If friends and allies werent meant to give you aggression flags, that "feature" of the pvp timer system would have never been implemented in the first place or would have been removed in short order. The game has been this way for over a year, if you haven't gotten used to it now then its your own fault. If you don't like it, crying exploit isnt the solution. Go write yourself an intelligently worded post in the New Ideas/Features forum and see about getting it changed. Until then, knock it off. The reason friendlies can also start the agression timer is due to shield/energy/armor transferring. If friendlies were able to do so without causing agression, we'd get loads of weird situations. ------ Touring the universe, one planet at a time!
BossNova Guiding Star Industries	Posted - 2007.02.17 18:29:00 - [69] Originally by: Klaus Stoertebeker Edited by: Klaus Stoertebeker on 17/02/2007 18:22:18 Originally by: Laura Baretta You say: Friendly Fire shouldnt add an aggro timer. fact: Friendly Fire adds an aggro timer. It is in game so it is legit. bull**....so if I find a bug and abuse it its ok, because its in the game so its legit? honestly: idio...argh, I didnt want to swear on the forums... FF is not a bug. It is an intended game feature. This is different from abusing actual programming oversights, like for example shooting wrecks. Originally by:** Klaus Stoertebeker Originally by: Laura Baretta Your argumentation "Friendly Fire shouldn't add aggro timer" is totally useless, and that wont change, no matter how often you tell people trying to explain this to you that THEY don't get your warped logic. because it doesnt fit with your point of view? who are you to decide whats useless and whats not? well, you reached status "ignorant idi(grr...nearly did it...)" now ;) No, because it doesn't fit with CCP's point of view. Take it up with them on the Ideas forum. Have a nice day.
Leon 026 Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.17 18:30:00 - [70] This is perhaps one of the most intelligent posts/threads in CAOD yet. Seriously people, a Titan is a strategic weapon, you dont leave nukes lying around - you're excessively paranoid about them and make sure that every action has a contingency plan should things go wrong. ------- Leon 026 Once I was fallen, now I have wings

Nooey Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.17 18:30:00 - [71] Originally by: NightmareX ...this is about a player who logged off with an aggro that he shouldn't have had at all. Hey look! We agree on something.
Ctharth M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.17 18:32:00 - [72] Originally by: Eamz what i dont understand is how bobs exploiting is any different from say zombie attacking yulai. What they did was within the game mechanics, they didnt break any rules, but they were all banned. Bob didnt pr. definition exploit. There where no defined mechanichs or statements to disallow what they did. you could argue that trying to get around concord was trying to get around game mechanics and therefore doing something that the game was not intended to. Concord is for sure a defined mechanic to protect high sec. to a certain degree.
Dschingis Kahn Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.17 18:35:00 - [73] Edited by: Dschingis Kahn on 17/02/2007 18:32:14 http://freenet-homepage.de/winchip2/2007.02.16.18.19.49.PNG Ah CCP.....
Nooey Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.17 18:38:00 - [74] Originally by: Dschingis Kahn Picture that offers no explanation of why D2 logged a Titan in front of people, not at a safespot, and not after waiting 20 minutes to ensure it's safety. Compelling counterargument, that.
BossNova Guiding Star Industries	Posted - 2007.02.17 18:46:00 - [75] Originally by: Dschingis Kahn Edited by: Dschingis Kahn on 17/02/2007 18:35:59 Edited by: Dschingis Kahn on 17/02/2007 18:32:14 http://freenet-homepage.de/winchip2/2007.02.16.18.19.49.PNG By chance ther was a admin in system before the titan kill was happen..nice ccp You're a real winner. Keep with the irrelevant character assassination attempts, instead of the points in the argument. It makes you look good.
Emrod Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.17 19:37:00 - [76] I hate Bob fanatic....i hate it very much.Its like everybody are wrong and Bob are good, very suck! And CCp close their eyes for a lots of thing....yeah i begin, me and a lots of people think that my eve account can be close once and for all...its sad because i love this game but now when you know you can win in a normal way or loose in a honor way...why continued to figth anyways? You want to win Eve Bob...hahha ok! You gonna soon play alone on it :p Welcome in Bob online
DeckardIRL Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 19:55:00 - [77] First class post. The fact the D2 did a Cyvok beggars belief... not that I am complaining Deck _____________________________________________ Watchin' the Game.... Havin' a Bud.... I shoot better on Bud..... Eve Info- All you need to know
DeckardIRL Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 19:55:00 - [78] First class post. The fact the D2 did a Cyvok beggars belief... not that I am complaining Deck _____________________________________________ Watchin' the Game.... Havin' a Bud.... I shoot better on Bud..... Eve Info- All you need to know
Ascend Alt eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.17 19:57:00 - [79] Originally by: Nooey Originally by: Ascend Alt LMAO, way to answer your own question How does the fact that I'm one person, not tasked with the responsibility of keeping a Titan safe, and hence didn't think about these things prior to their happening, in any answer that question? Of course I only thought of it post-event, what do you expect? Why would I sit here brainstorming ways to keep a Titan safe when... I don't own a Titan. I'm not responsible for anyone who does. (If you make the awfully dangerous assumption of course, that I'm not a BoB alt) What exactly are you trying to say here? Do you realise that your reply actually implies an admittance on your behalf that D2 only realised these facts in hindsight? Your statement was effectively, I never thought of this but now that it has happened it was entirely obvious that something like this would happen so why didnt D2 think of this in advance, even though I have just admitted its not something that would even cross your mind. Its almost as funny as your Exuro Mortis are not bob fanbois comments.
Ascend Alt eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.17 19:57:00 - [80] Originally by: Nooey Originally by: Ascend Alt LMAO, way to answer your own question How does the fact that I'm one person, not tasked with the responsibility of keeping a Titan safe, and hence didn't think about these things prior to their happening, in any answer that question? Of course I only thought of it post-event, what do you expect? Why would I sit here brainstorming ways to keep a Titan safe when... I don't own a Titan. I'm not responsible for anyone who does. (If you make the awfully dangerous assumption of course, that I'm not a BoB alt) What exactly are you trying to say here? Do you realise that your reply actually implies an admittance on your behalf that D2 only realised these facts in hindsight? Your statement was effectively, I never thought of this but now that it has happened it was entirely obvious that something like this would happen so why didnt D2 think of this in advance, even though I have just admitted its not something that would even cross your mind. Its almost as funny as your Exuro Mortis are not bob fanbois comments.

Ascend Alt eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.17 20:01:00 - [81] Originally by: Leon 026 This is perhaps one of the most intelligent posts/threads in CAOD yet. Seriously people, a Titan is a strategic weapon, you dont leave nukes lying around - you're excessively paranoid about them and make sure that every action has a contingency plan should things go wrong. No mate, its a game, a game that people with real lives play, you cannot equate a ship in an imaginery space game to a thermonuclear weapon m'kay. If I was guarding a nuclear weapon it probably would not be acceptable for me to walk away from my post when my mum/gf/bf/partner calls me downstairs for my tea. The same does not apply to a computer game. Is it not reasonable to expect there to be a tool which allows me to do that safely without having to worry about people sploiting dodgy game mechanics?
Eamz Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.02.17 20:05:00 - [82] Originally by: Ctharth Originally by: Eamz what i dont understand is how bobs exploiting is any different from say zombie attacking yulai. What they did was within the game mechanics, they didnt break any rules, but they were all banned. Bob didnt pr. definition exploit. There where no defined mechanichs or statements to disallow what they did. you could argue that trying to get around concord was trying to get around game mechanics and therefore doing something that the game was not intended to. Concord is for sure a defined mechanic to protect high sec. to a certain degree. Neither was there any statement saying you cant fire in 1.0 and therefore fight concord. But they still got banned. You know in your heart CCP did not introduce the aggro timer to allow something like this to happen. It is completely unrealistic and is an exploit. And to all those asking for their own ships back, i actually think this SHOULD be treated differently seeing as it is actually quite an important ship, one that warrents its own landmark after it dies.
Nooey Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.17 20:09:00 - [83] Originally by: Ascend Alt Your statement was effectively, I never thought of this ( and why would I? Since I'm no Titan pilot or responsible for any Titan pilots) but now that it has happened it was entirely obvious that something like this would happen (to me) so why didnt D2 think of this in advance considering there's what, a few thousand of them, and they DID have the responsibility of keeping the Titan alive, unlike me. Even though I have just admitted its not something that would even cross my mind, it's definetly something that should have crossed theirs Close...but not quite. Bolded parts added so you get the point. Quote: Its almost as funny as your Exuro Mortis are not bob fanbois comments. Yes...yes...fanboi/bobalt/chimpanzee/master chef/britney spears left breast... Try using logic.
karumba	Posted - 2007.02.17 20:10:00 - [84] using spies is lame. if you had defeated the titan in full glory, no contest hats off. If you need a spie for it? Low, lousy and just lame. Sure, legit kill. Can BoB be proud? Well you could have been a lot prouder if you did not use spies so actively.
Dromololla	Posted - 2007.02.17 20:11:00 - [85] MOST SAFE WAY TO LOG TITAN: whatever you got aggresion or not - log, but asap login your alt at SAME account as your titan pilot. Your titan will simply dissapear at that point.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.17 20:14:00 - [86] Signature quote removed - It was too much for my little virgin eyes. Jacques([email protected])
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2007.02.17 20:16:00 - [87] Edited by: Kcel Chim on 17/02/2007 20:13:14 The ppl now crying about friendly aggro never start the tune when they profit from a freighter beeing aggroed by its web frig, 2 corpm8npcers duking it out with their leetsetups infront of a station and getting caught by hostiles or if ppl get aggro from a 1o1 with a hostile while sharing a gang. However in this single situation ofc the system is wrong and needs changing ! The aggro system has been inplace for ages. How you receive aggro and how timers are managed is well documented all over the forums. To cry exploit just because you havent understood the beforementioned explinations or because u simply ignore them doesnt make it a haxploit or something which needs fixing. IF the titan had logged inside the pos Field nothing would have happened. If he had logged at his own deepspace, cloaked, nothing would have happened. If he had logged in his own pos or in his own system just with his own cyno alt (or one of a person he 100% trusts) nothing would have happened. The titanpilot was careless, much liky cryvoc and he paid the ultimate bill. p.s. to all future titan pilots. If i was in your shoes and would logoff i would tell a probe guy who i trust 100% to watch me dissappear or msn / sms me if i dont. This way youre 100% save.
HellSpeed angels of darkness LTD Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.17 20:22:00 - [88] Edited by: HellSpeed on 17/02/2007 20:19:10
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 20:28:00 - [89] Originally by: Torshin if you had the chance to aggro Shrike as he logged would you take it? We wouldn't use a tactic like that in EVE, so he will only die to us whe he IS online. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Torshin TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.02.17 20:29:00 - [90] k i hope the rest of your allaince is as honorable as you and that your word rings true. Offical Tardz Poo-litical Anal-yst



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